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Thursday, July 29, 2021

Sun Dawu, one of China's best-known rural entrepreneurs, was handed an 18-year prison sentence on Wednesday amid broader efforts by authorities in China to rein in powerful businessmen and limit the influence of private enterprise.

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The people that turned China from a backwater into a powerhouse are falling one by one. Can't have wealthy capitalists turning into oligarchs - that interferes with Xi's plans to be sole dictator. I think China's backward slide is going to be almost inevitable. If you take away the incentives people will either not try or go elsewhere.

#1 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-07-28 03:40 PM | Reply

I imagine Xi is seriously dedicated to the idea of a singe real power center: him, supported by the party. But Deng knew the party sucked at economics, so we see the emergence of a serious entrepreneurial focus. Now we've got billionaire pig tycoons. And, perhaps, they and their ilk (long term era will remember that word here) have some ideas about this and that which diverge from the pronouncements of the party's apparatchiks. Soooo ... ..GALAXIEPETE makes sense, I think. The Mandate of Heaven is always in danger of being withdrawn.

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-07-28 05:05 PM | Reply

"The people that turned China from a backwater into a powerhouse are falling one by one."

Not in the West they aren't.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 05:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't understand why the US tolerates trade relations with China. Their human rights record is dismal. Using slave labor, they undercut US trade which equates to job loss.

When will we ever have a leader who stands up to China?

#4 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-28 07:58 PM | Reply

I wonder if this is the Chinese billion who owns Hunter Biden's email.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-28 08:01 PM | Reply

When will we ever have a leader who stands up to China?

About the same time "You the People" stop shopping at Wal*Mart.

#6 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-28 08:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

When will we ever have a leader who stands up to China?
#4 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

When the Invisible Hand wants us to have one?

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 08:19 PM | Reply

I don't understand why the US tolerates trade relations with China.
#4 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

It shows.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 08:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"About the same time "You the People" stop shopping at Wal*Mart."

Well, that ain't going to happen as long as their Chinese ---- is so much cheaper. The obvious solution is to make Chinese ---- not so cheap. But some people get upset when you use the T word.

So again, I ask, when will we get leadership that stands up to China? Perhaps by putting tariffs they flood American markets with? Or negotiating and enforcing trade deals?

Don't blame it on the consumer. They will always go for the best bargain. Good leadership can make sure slave labor products are no longer the best bargain.

#9 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-28 08:22 PM | Reply

So again, I ask, when will we get leadership that stands up to China?

I thought Lewzer was going to do that? What happened?

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-28 08:26 PM | Reply

Lewzer is not president.

Three time's a charm, I hope. When will we get leadership that stands up to China? Imposed tariffs? Trump did, but my fellow liberals were in an uproar because they had to pay a buck more for their new toaster.

Shouldn't Biden and the Democratic Congress be doing something about this? Or should we all just wring our collective hands and weep, "But, Lewzer"?

#11 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-28 08:32 PM | Reply

Even though I despise Trump, I cheered him on when he raised tariffs on Chinese goods. My fellow Democrats objected because Trump. What a stupid reason.

#12 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-28 08:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Good leadership can make sure slave labor products are no longer the best bargain."

Can I see this business plan please?

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 08:37 PM | Reply

"Even though I despise Trump, I cheered him on when he raised tariffs on Chinese goods."

Why? All that did was induce China to raise tariffs on American goods. You cheered for that too, or did the two things not connect in your understanding of how trade wars work?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 08:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

When Trump raised tariffs, people screamed, "Trade war! Trade war!". But what they were too stupid to realize is that China had much more to lose in a trade war than the US. Their economy is so dependent on export to America, they would have to acquiesce to US trade demands. We could otherwise easily tool up and start making our own goods, (yes, more expensive and the usual suspects would shed tears) or buying from honest countries like the ones in Europe. Yes, it might have been uncomfortable for a few months. But stupid instant gratification Americans wouldn't stand for it.

The consumer can't solve the China trade problem Only competent leadership ca.

#15 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-28 08:41 PM | Reply

Trump did, but my fellow liberals were in an uproar because they had to pay a buck more for their new toaster.

And therein lies the problem. People want cheap ---- and China provides it. Artificially jack up the price and they will vote for someone who says they won't.

People might suck up paying another buck for a toaster but they sure as hell are not going to pay $4000 for a phone.

#16 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-28 08:58 PM | Reply

"r but they sure as hell are not going to pay $4000 for a phone."

Again, that's why we need leadership to solve this problem. We can't leave it to petulant Americans wanting cheap stuff.

It is economically impossible to have cheap American made goods and maintain our lifestyle. So what is the answer? Oversea jobs that produce slave labor productds, but are cheap? Or American made products that are honestly made and cost more?

American leadership loves their corporate sponsors and money they give them. So obviously they will choose the slave labor stuff.

So we come full circle. When will we get an American leader who has the balls to say enough is enough?

#17 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-28 09:12 PM | Reply

When will we get an American leader who has the balls to say enough is enough?

When The People elect one. The election math is not looking good.

#18 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-28 09:35 PM | Reply

"When will we get an American leader who has the balls to say enough is enough?"

You think most Americans care about human rights abuses in China? Most white Americans don't support Black Lives Matter here in America. You think they are going to care about human rights abuses in China?

Your babe in the woods shtick is pathetic.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 10:00 PM | Reply

"Even though I despise Trump, I cheered him on when he raised tariffs on Chinese goods"

Except that made China re-source a lot of foods, and cost American farmers billions. And those orders aren't coming back.

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-28 10:17 PM | Reply

Except that made China re-source a lot of foods, and cost American farmers billions.

And the FOXCONN thing was a joke. And Carrier moved to Mexico anyway. Go Lewzer!

#21 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-28 10:24 PM | Reply

"Except that made China re-source a lot of foods, and cost American farmers billions. And those orders aren't coming back"

I don't think so. It wouldn't be possible for some other agronomic source to suddenly fill in the food vacuum if China suddenly stopped buying American food. It takes years -- even decades depending on the crop -- to start producing certain crops. Meat producers can't suddenly double or triple their output. Also, if true, why didn't food prices go down instead of up with the sudden glut of American agricultural products.

But I could be wrong. Please cite your source.

Besides, if true farmers make up about 1% of the workers in this country. Many many more American jobs have been lost to cheap Chinese labor.

#22 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-28 10:56 PM | Reply

"Besides, if true farmers make up about 1% of the workers in this country."

Half of whom are undocumented workers.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 11:13 PM | Reply

Danforth, I know that intellectual property theft is a hot button issue for you. Intellectual property theft by China casts the US between $225 billion and $600 billion annually.

law.stanford.edu

Then of course there are lost jobs due to their cheap and slave labor (Not to mention human rights abuses associated with them) that cost US jobs and monstrous trade deficits

At it's peak, we exported $23 billion to China (2013)

www.mda.state.mn.us

Are you suggesting we should be afraid of slapping tariffs on China for their IP theft and human rights violations etc. so that farmers make $23 billion -- 1/10 of the *minimum* estimate for IP theft alone.

It doesn't sound like a good trade off to me. I find your stance especially odd because I know IP theft, at least in the entertainment industry, is a hot button issue for you.

#24 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-28 11:55 PM | Reply

We need leadership with the balls to clamp down on China. China needs us to dump their goods far more than we need them to buy our goods. Our trade deficit with them was $345 billion in 2019.

ustr.gov(%2473.7%20billion)%20from%202018.

And of course this huge trade deficit is what is financial their very rapidly growing military machine. But our leaders don't seem to care. I don't get it.

If there was an out and out trade war, they'd blink long before we did. They need us much more than we need them. Why are our leaders such chicken ----- and afraid to stand up to them?

#25 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 12:01 AM | Reply

"Intellectual property theft by China casts the US between $225 billion and $600 billion annually."

They knew the risks when they sent their IP to China to get manufactured into products.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 12:02 AM | Reply

China needs us to dump their goods far more than we need them to buy our goods.

That is certainly true. Unfortunately their goods are far more popular with people that can actually pay for them.

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-29 12:08 AM | Reply

"Why are our leaders such chicken ----- and afraid to stand up to them?"

Because that's not how Capitalism works.
Because "our leaders" are CEOs, and "them" are shareholders who want higher returns on their investment.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 12:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Are you suggesting we should be afraid of slapping tariffs on China for their IP theft."

I'm saying the tariffs have to be measured against China's blowback, which hurt farmers who will never get that customer back.

I'm also suggesting we're never going to fully address the other issues as long as manufacturing molds are portable, and most of our manufacturing is done there.

Ultimately, you're bringing in issues other than the Trump tariffs and their blowback.

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 12:12 AM | Reply

" China needs us to dump their goods far more than we need them to buy our goods."

National Debt on line #1 for you.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 12:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

:Unfortunately their goods are far more popular with people that can actually pay for them.:

We'd have more people who could pay for them if they were made here.

But as I mentioned earlier, it is an economic impossibility to have our American lifestyle and cheap good in a global economy. It was possible for a few years after WW2 when the US was the only country ibn the world making stuff, for all practical purposes. But that's no longer the case.

#31 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 12:14 AM | Reply

It was possible for a few years after WW2 when the US was the only country in the world making stuff, for all practical purposes. But that's no longer the case.

That's pretty much it.

#32 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-29 12:16 AM | Reply

#30 - I do not understand this cryptic post.

#33 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 12:16 AM | Reply

"But as I mentioned earlier, it is an economic impossibility to have our American lifestyle and cheap good in a global economy."

^
"Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."

That lifestyle?

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 12:17 AM | Reply

" If there was an out and out trade war, they'd blink long before we did."

You're underestimating China's leaders and it's history. It's never had a problem with inflicting a little (or a lot of) hardship on it's people.

Americans would scream for more cheap crap MUCH sooner than China would allow it's citizens to blink.

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 12:20 AM | Reply

" - I do not understand this cryptic post."

If China wanted to start a war with the US, the four-letter word wouldn't be "fire", it'd be "sell". China owns over $1T of US debt.

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 12:23 AM | Reply

"Americans would scream for more cheap crap "

I already said that a couple of times. That's why we need strong leadership who looks past immediate gratification and forces selfish Americans to do what's right. Most Americans will not do what is in the best interest of their country. Their goal is to satisfy themself.

John Nash did some interesting work on the dynamics of doing what is best for the individual and the individual doing what is best for society, albeit from a mathematical standpoint. Selfishness always prevailed. Unfortunately Spock's "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one" isn't a maxim many, if any, people believe in. That's why we need strong leaders to make the right choice for the country.

#37 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 12:29 AM | Reply

"China owns over $1T of US debt."

That would throw the US into a depression and would be killing their by far biggest consumer of goods. The Chinese are shrewd. They aren't likely to cut off their nose to spite their face.

#38 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 12:31 AM | Reply

Good discussion, but I must retire. Perhaps resumption tomorrow is a possibility.

#39 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 12:34 AM | Reply

" The Chinese are shrewd. They aren't likely to cut off their nose to spite their face."

Again, you're assuming their leaders are like ours, and fear public disapproval.

They don't care about public sentiment; they don't have to. Yes there are elections, but it's mostly of rubber-stampers from the Communist Party.

Also, their more homogeneous population makes group sacrifice much more palatable.

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 12:37 AM | Reply

"That's why we need strong leadership who looks past immediate gratification and forces selfish Americans to do what's right."

Oh so you want a dictator.
To save us from ourselves.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 12:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Most Americans will not do what is in the best interest of their country. Their goal is to satisfy themself."

Most corporations will do what is in the best interests of their shareholders. Their goal is to satisfy them.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 12:39 AM | Reply

"That's why we need strong leaders to make the right choice for the country."

Notice how he's implicitly calling Biden weak, and earlier praised Trump for starting a trade war.
Yet in his profile he claims to be a liberal.
Y'all can't see through this?

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 12:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" That's why we need strong leadership who looks past immediate gratification and forces selfish Americans to do what's right."

Are you joking?

We can't even force Americans to get a shot that'll potentially save lives, including the lives of those around them. And you think "selfish" can be eradicated?!?

Now pull the other leg!

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 12:41 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse stated on September 27, 2010 in a speech on the Senate floor:

"The law, right now, permits companies that close down American factories and offices and move those jobs overseas to take a tax deduction for the costs associated with moving the jobs to China or India or wherever."

Why when Republicans had total control of Congress 2017-2019 didn't they overturn that tax provision? Wasn't Trump all about fighting China and bringing jobs back home? The US Chamber of Commerce and corporate lobbyists fought off attempts to overturn it with the backing of their lackies, GOP congressmen and women.

#45 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-29 12:52 AM | Reply

"That's why we need strong leaders to make the right choice for the country." says Jakester.

LOL ~ Look who's looking for instant self gratification. He doesn't seem to realize that long term solutions ARE best for the country. Those things can take years of skillful negotiations and partner building to succeed ~~ again, for the long term ~~ instead of the self-serving egomaniacal foreign policy of the previous administration.

Nor is the presidency a dictatorship that wields influence like a scattergun full of threats and annihilating economic retaliation. Sane people negotiate. For the good of the country.

#46 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-29 01:17 AM | Reply

"He doesn't seem to realize that long term solutions ARE best for the country"

Six presidents have been watching Chin grow increasingly stronger and bolder. To expect them to be checked after that length of time isn't exactly demanding instant gratification.

In you opinion, how many more presidents should be have before one of them finally says, "Enough is enough", twinpac"?

You seem to enjoy throwing a third of a trillion dollars a year at China. You seem to no mind their exponentially growing military. You seem to be OK with their slave and child labor as long as you get your cheap toaster. You seem to be OK with their labor practices stealing US jobs

Why is this?

#47 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 01:29 AM | Reply

"Are you joking?"

Np. When I joke I usually put a laughing emoticon or "LOL" after a post.

#48 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 01:30 AM | Reply

"Again, you're assuming their leaders are like ours, and fear public disapproval."

No, I make no such assumptions. I think their leaders do what is best for their country -- quite different than what our leaders do.

#49 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 01:31 AM | Reply

"You seem to be OK with their labor practices stealing US jobs"

China doesn't steal American jobs. That's an asinine statement.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 01:35 AM | Reply

JAKESTER @ #47

You're doing a lot of assumptions there. LOL (not joking)

See what I mean? Posters like yourself often try to assign unwarranted positions in search of an argument. You just put yourself in the 'dime a dozen' category.

But keep going. You're doing great. ~~ LOL

#51 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-29 01:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Np. When I joke I usually put a laughing emoticon or "LOL" after a post."

Then you're nowhere near as smart as you think you are.

The concept an American leader could end selfishness actually IS laughable.

#52 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 01:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" No, I make no such assumptions. I think their leaders do what is best for their country -- quite different than what our leaders do."

Except when Trump imposed tariffs on China ... is that right?

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 01:49 AM | Reply

Five stars for DANFORTH.

#54 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-29 01:51 AM | Reply

"You're doing a lot of assumptions there."

Feel free to rebut these alleged assumptions.

#55 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:02 AM | Reply

"The concept an American leader could end selfishness actually IS laughable."

I agree 100%. Who would make such an idiotic claim?

#56 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:04 AM | Reply

"Except when Trump imposed tariffs on China ... is that right?"

I do believe I said that I believed in imposing tariffs on China. Did you not understand when I said that?

#57 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:06 AM | Reply

Forbes seems to disagree with Jakester:
www.google.com

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:07 AM | Reply

"Five stars for DANFORTH."

White dwarfs most likely.

#59 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:07 AM | Reply

#58 - they certainly wouldn't be the first.

#60 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:08 AM | Reply

So are you happy that China is stealing US intellectual property, danforth, or is your opposition to it just a role you play here?

#61 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:09 AM | Reply

" Did you not understand when I said that?"

Oh I understood. I just don't think you were aware of the blowback. Are you an investor?

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:10 AM | Reply

JACESTER

"Feel free to rebut these alleged assumptions."

I decline based upon the absurdity of the assumer.

Pick another victim.

#63 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-29 02:10 AM | Reply

How about their human rights abuses, danforth? Something else you're happy with? Do you like knowing you are helping build their military with every Chinese made product you buy? You cool with their child labor? How about laying claim to the south China sea snubbing their noses at the UN?

#64 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:11 AM | Reply

" So are you happy that China is stealing US intellectual property,"

Can you taste the stupid when you post something so dumb?

TwinPac is right: you have a bad habit of attacking people for words you've just put in their mouth.

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I decline based upon the absurdity of the assumer"

And I decline to believe you have a brain based on your absurdity and running from the question.

See? I can play childish online games just as well as you can.

Can we end now while we are tied?

#66 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:13 AM | Reply

"Can you taste the stupid when you post something so dumb?"

I'll gladly answer your question once you have answered mine. I refuse to be snoofyized

#67 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:14 AM | Reply

" How about their human rights abuses"

Pretty terrible.

BTW, where was the device you're posting with made?

#68 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Oh I understood."

Your response strongly suggested otherwise.

#69 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:15 AM | Reply

" I can play childish online games just as well as you can."

Then stop wondering why people don't take you seriously.

#70 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"BTW, where was the device you're posting with made?"

I am not sure. Why do you ask?

#71 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:16 AM | Reply

" I am not sure"

Are you lying, or just afraid to answer?

#72 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:16 AM | Reply

"Then stop wondering why people don't take you seriously."

I don't. Please do not assign a false position to me.

Your snoofyish behavior is quite offensive. I see no reason to continue engaging you if all you wish is to be a snoofy clone.

I am, however, willing to engage in sincere debate. Sincere debate is void of assumptions, assigning false positions, and blatant falsehoods.

Do you wish to continue, or do you wish to emulate snoofy further?

#73 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:18 AM | Reply

Honest debate is very hard to find in this place.

#74 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:19 AM | Reply

"Are you lying, or just afraid to answer?"

I do not lie. Why would I be afraid to answer?

#75 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:19 AM | Reply

The heart of my computer, as any computer, is the processor chip. My laptop has an Intel processor. Intel processors are made in China, Israel, Ireland, Malaysia, Vietnam, and the United States of America. I am not about to open my laptop up to answer your question.

I hope you understand, Danforth.

The other components could very well have been made in even a dozen more countries.

I thought everyone knew this, but apparently you did not. I hope this answer helps you understand the composition and origin of a laptop computer.

#76 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:27 AM | Reply

" The other components could very well have been made in even a dozen more countries."

Most devices are made in China; probably yours as well.

But because the chip was made in China (as well as at least another hundred things in your home) does that mean you don't care about human rights abuses?

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:33 AM | Reply

" Please do not assign a false position to me."

My irony meter just broke.

#78 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" The other components could very well have been made in even a dozen more countries."

... but were most likely made in China.

At least be man enough to complete the sentence honestly.

#79 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:36 AM | Reply

"you have a bad habit of attacking people for words you've just put in their mouth.

POSTED BY DANFORTH "

I asked a question. I did not put words in your mouth, snoofy.

"At least be man enough to complete the sentence honestly."

My post was honest. If you feel it was dishonest, please explain.
"

#80 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:38 AM | Reply

"Most devices are made in China; probably yours as well."

If you are going to answer your own questions, why do you bother to ask them?

#81 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:39 AM | Reply

"Do you wish to continue"

Nah. Stupid people bore me. Especially ones with victim complexes.

G'bye.

#82 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:40 AM | Reply

"My irony meter just broke."

I'm sure the Chinese will be glad to sell you a new one.

#83 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:40 AM | Reply

" Stupid people bore me."

People who engage in the (childish) logical fallacy of ad hominem when they have nothing else disgust me. So it is for the best for both of us that you cowardly run away.

#84 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 02:43 AM | Reply

JAKESTER's decided I'm an enemy because I call out a person of color for realizing the American Dream thanks to taxpayers and officers like my FIL, a white country boy and veteran of three wars who stood up for military personnel of color, mentored and advocated for them in the days when it could have been detrimental to his military career VS Boaz's "I got mine, F You!" attitude towards anyone else receiving a hand up from social safety nets to put food on the table.

His life would have been much different if men like my FIL had held that attitude and hadn't stood up for what's right in the 50's and 60's and could have cost him his career. Instead, his 'leave no man behind' attitude - in and out of the military - took him further than the retired major ... And he, an Eisenhower Republican, went to law school after 30 years in the military to advocate for people who didn't have a voice.

We don't have to rah-rah everything anyone who's done 20 years has to say, or fail to call out hypocrisy or selfishness. There's a world of difference between Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Milley and retired Gen. Michael Flynn, isn't there? One stood up to support the Constitution when Trump inquired about using the military after the election to assist in a coup, the other coddles up to Putin and supports insurrections and crazy conspiracy theories.

#85 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-29 02:56 AM | Reply

PS Jakester

You don't have to make enemies of people here. And you owe DANNI an apology. She's a great person with a heart of gold and a fire in her belly in denouncing those who seek to diminish or do away with hard fought opportunities and American democracy.

Many of us have been here since Bush-Iraq War days, advocating for Democrat causes, advocating for military personnel who were given short shrift by the Bush Administration in their war of choice.

BTW, we all gave Boaz nothing but friendly support when he began posting here while he was stationed in Afghanistan. His right wing loonie crap began once he was out of the military.

My advice (worth what you're paying for it, of course) is quit jumping to conclusions. Most of us who remain here are well-intentioned. And I've been an active Democrat since I was a young teenager because Dem ideals are what gave people like Boaz and my dad and FIL and a host of others a shot at the American Dream. Fight if you want to, but expect people to tire of it quickly and ignore or plonk you.

#86 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-29 03:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Not a good time to be wealthy in China. If I were them, I'd be taking rolled up art into family, friends', or other out of country locations and be ready to relocate.

#87 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-07-29 06:20 AM | Reply

#87
Great point. If things start going south with respect to however the Mandate of Heaven concept is phrased in today's China - and it's there, too culturally ingrained to be missing - the blame game starts. Question #1: How does the presence of a billionaire class comport with the Party's orthodoxy?

#88 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-07-29 06:43 AM | Reply

got to give the Communist Party 'their cut' (which is like 80%)

that's all he forgot...

#89 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-07-29 10:05 AM | Reply

"You don't have to make enemies of people here."

He's already made them, and he came back with a new account to get his revenge. And make new ones. You really think Jakester is a liberal like it says in his profile? Even that is intended to make people bristle. He's here to be a mild chemical irritant or a light rash, nothing more.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 01:39 PM | Reply

"JAKESTER's decided I'm an enemy because I call out a person of color... "

It has nothing to do with race. I did not appreciate you telling me I am a thief and a welfare queen for no other reason than honorably having served in the US military for 20 years and legally collecting the pension for which I contracted for. I keep explaining this to you, but rather than address the issue you deflect. This time you deflect with pretending race has something to do with it. By the way, dragging race into it is really, really lame, Americanunity.

#91 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 10:33 PM | Reply

It is truly hypocritical when retired military think they have a right to enjoy the socialist benefits "they worked 20 years to get" but no one else does for the work they do. Now it's because there's no contract? So only the military gets to enjoy socialist benefits in this country?

All I have to say is GFY because you don't get to say that. It is not your place to tell us what we deserve for the work we do.

If we want socialist-style benefits equal to yours we will get them.

It is not your right to say we won't or shouldn't.

Furthermore. You are losing the battle to deny benefits to other just as important sectors of the workforce.

Get over yourself. We can also rewrite the rules and yours can be taken away by the same ones that contracted you. Your record of success isn't that great.

#92 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-07-30 10:28 AM | Reply

Imagine that. A country where the rich aren't allowed to take over everything, control the government, own politicians, commit any crime, and never go to jail.

This is what we should be copying from china.

#93 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-30 05:15 PM | Reply

Chinese Billionaire Gets 18 Years for "Provoking Trouble"

This is an important lesson that every American capitalist needs to understand: just like the honey badger, authoritarians don't care. Authoritarians don't give a f..k about how much money a person has because they know that power trumps money each and every time. Xi is doing it in China, Putin has done it in Russia.

The only way that rich people will be able to keep their money, their freedom and maybe even their lives is if democracy and the rule of law prevails. Now, on the other hand, if their wealth was gained illegally, rich people have an incentive to prefer authoritarianism because eventually the rule of law will likely take their wealth and their freedom.

#94 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2021-07-31 05:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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