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Thursday, July 29, 2021

Josh Marshall: COVID is an evolving pathogen. Our knowledge of it is evolving. We're basically conducting, against our will, a live subject study with the entire human population. Science isn't a book with all the answers. It's an empirical process.

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Jim Wright


You wear a seatbelt right?
Sure you do.
You put your kids in child seats, yeah? You got airbags, don't you? Antilock brakes. Daytime running lights. You wear a helmet, watch for motorcycles, all that stuff?
So why do you care if I drive drunk?
Why do you care if I text while driving?
Why do you care if I'm speeding recklessly down the sidewalk?
Why do you care if I'm on the road with your teenage kids?
You'll probably survive. Probably your kids will, they'll heal. Probably. Why do you care what I do? You're safe, aren't you? Why should I have to comply with some overbearing government that demands I drive responsibly? Seat belts aren't 100% effective and also I heard of a guy who got thrown out of his car during a wreck and he would have 100% absolutely certainly for sure died if he'd been wearing a seatbelt, true story, you can look it up on YouTube. I mean, seatbelts haven't even been around long enough to know if there are side effects to using them. What about broken ribs?! What about that?
You know who mandates traffic laws? COMMUNIST countries!
Yeah, *that's* what you sound like when you ask why vaccinated people should care about you declaring that you're not going to get the vaccine.
Get the jab. Do it.
Stop being an idiot.

#1 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-07-29 09:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 11

Maybe if we compare them to rats and threaten to give them tattoos, that might convince them to comply.

#2 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 10:16 AM | Reply

Maybe if we compare them to rats and threaten to give them tattoos, that might convince them to comply.

#2 | POSTED BY SENTINEL A

Maybe that's how they already see themselves? The tattoos seem largely a given.

I have my own ideas as to why these people are sick and apparently work to be sicker. I'd love to hear yours.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-29 10:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

ANGRYDAD nails it much to the chagrin of the idiots like Sentinel. Thank you ANGRYDAD!

#4 | Posted by danni at 2021-07-29 10:34 AM | Reply

" Maybe if we compare them to rats and threaten to give them tattoos, that might convince them to comply."

And this guy wonders why people think he's a Nazi.

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 10:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Maybe if we compare them to rats and threaten to give them tattoos, that might convince them to comply.

#2 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Maybe if they were decent people they wouldn't need anything to get it done.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 11:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Conducting a live subject study with the entire human population?

What could possibly go wrong?

#7 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-07-29 11:32 AM | Reply

I think I have mentioned this before but anti-vaxxers are usually also climate change deniers. Here's their math: 1 + 1 = 3.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2021-07-29 11:45 AM | Reply

#5, actually I don't. I'm pretty sure they're either idiots who can't read and infer things from the context, or they're just trolling.

#9 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 11:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

So..more proof that we are still in the learning process with the rona,
That damn Trump shoulda knowed all of it a year and a half ago.

#10 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-07-29 12:08 PM | Reply

"That damn Trump shoulda knowed all of it a year and a half ago."

He should have listened to the experts. They could have told him. In fact, they did tell him, repeatedly.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He should have listened to the experts. They could have told him. In fact, they did tell him, repeatedly."

The experts would have told them that COVID was of little risk to the population, and that the best measure is to isolate those at greatest risk and allow the rest to get on with their lives.

What this new mask mandate does is disincentivize any new prospects from getting the vaccine. Why waste the time and effort to get vaccinated against something, that for many, is nothing.

I used to think that Germany was taking the best approach to handling COVID. Then they implemented seven months of lockdowns that did little more than screw with people's heads...while many places in the US were operating pretty normally. Now the US is getting stupid again, over a whole lotta nothing, and Germany has taken the approach of looking at hospitalization rates as a driving factor as opposed to the number of new cases.

The thing I have learned over the last several years watching this whole thing is that there are a lot of people who frequent this site who are completely unprepared for life on this planet. Now that COVID has put that fear in you, I don't think there is any going back. Now you're just rabbits. Useless.

#12 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 12:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"He should have listened to the experts."

You mean the experts that are still learning and still disagree with each other?

#13 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-07-29 12:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

that's how science works -------.

#14 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-29 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Even the doctors are getting tired of the CDC. The CDC doesn't have to answer to patients when said patients start asking questions about conflicting narratives. Doctors do.

#15 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 12:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Even the doctors are getting tired of the CDC. The CDC doesn't have to answer to patients when said patients start asking questions about conflicting narratives. Doctors do.

#15 | Posted by madbomber

If your moronic party would get vaccinated the CDC wouldnt have to change it's guidance.

You are the reason the rules are changing so don't whine about the consequences of your party's actions.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

So..more proof that we are still in the learning process with the rona,
That damn Trump shoulda knowed all of it a year and a half ago.

#10 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

He did. He said it maybe 15 people would die and it would be gone by the summer.

He was just a right about that as he was about everything else.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 12:57 PM | Reply

"The experts would have told them that COVID was of little risk to the population"

Little risk compared to what?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 12:59 PM | Reply

Why waste the time and effort to get vaccinated against something, that for many, is nothing.

#12 | Posted by madbomber

Step 1 is for liars like you to stop telling them it's nothing.

Your "kids are safe" lies are being disproven more every day. Long covid is real.

Step 2 is to explain how vaccination leads to herd immunity - the basic principle that is explained to you EVERY DAY on this site, then your return the next day with your mind wiped as if you never heard it before.

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 12:59 PM | Reply

"Why waste the time and effort to get vaccinated against something, that for many, is nothing."

That's true of anything you get vaccinated for.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 01:00 PM | Reply

#2, you can go ---- yourself with a rusty menorah with that rubbish.

#21 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2021-07-29 01:05 PM | Reply

Posted by madbomber

This dude's an absolute, unequivocal moron.

LOL!

#22 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-07-29 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What this new mask mandate does is disincentivize any new prospects from getting the vaccine. Why waste the time and effort to get vaccinated against something, that for many, is nothing.

The time and effort? Please. For the vast majority of people access isn't an issue anymore.

Stop rationalizing resistance with transparently absurd claims.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 01:19 PM | Reply

Conducting a live subject study with the entire human population?
What could possibly go wrong?
#7 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Saying stupid, ridiculous things because you're an idiot?

We already know what's wrong.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 01:20 PM | Reply

Even the doctors are getting tired of the CDC. The CDC doesn't have to answer to patients when said patients start asking questions about conflicting narratives. Doctors do.

#15 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

And you know this how?

Do you visit many doctors who are in contact with the CDC?

And there isn't much in the way of conflicting narratives. Well, if you're smart enough to understand things change and guidance follows said changes there isn't.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 01:24 PM | Reply

It appears that the Republican Party will kill as many people as necessary to deny President Biden a success story in 2024.

If you're a believer in Trump's lies, at least do the last decent thing in your life and pre-pay your funeral expenses. Your family would appreciate that.

#26 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-29 01:30 PM | Reply

I wouldn't give them too much credit with that sort of long term thinking.

Most of it is simply sort sighted selfishness.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 01:49 PM | Reply

"If your moronic party would get vaccinated the CDC wouldnt have to change it's guidance."

The CDC doesn't need to change it's guidance now. In fact doing to is an absolutely terrible idea. If herd immunity is the end result, limiting interactions between human beings only pushes that further and further away.

For those that aren't going to get vaccinated, the only other way they contribute to herd immunity is through exposure to COVID. That's a fact.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 01:50 PM | Reply

"Little risk compared to what?"

It depends on your age group.

For those under 18, little risk to dying from seasonal flu.

For the vast majority of us, dying in a car crash.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 01:51 PM | Reply

"This dude's an absolute, unequivocal moron."

Are you actually a dad?

You kinda make a great case for forced sterilization.

If you are a dad...hopefully it's the milkman's kid.

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 01:52 PM | Reply

I work with doctors everyday

None are upset with the CDC

Most however have had enough of the anonymous asshats making none sensible assertions about medical practice and governance

#31 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-07-29 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

For those that aren't going to get vaccinated, the only other way they contribute to herd immunity is through exposure to COVID. That's a fact.

#28 | Posted by madbomber

The non-stupid way to phrase that is - the only way to herd immunity without killing and sickening a bunch of people is through vaccination

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 01:56 PM | Reply

"And you know this how?"

I was listening to Smerconish on the drive home today. He had a guest presenter on today with a doctor. I tried to look up who it was but can't find it.

He was stating that doctors are getting tired of ever changing and conflicting data from the CDC, because they're the ones who have to try and make sense of it for their patients...even if they don't always understand the reasons why either.

Doctors find themselves in a position of leadership without authority. If my boss tells me to do something, I'm obligated to do it

Like wearing masks.

Everyone in my office is fully vaxxed. As far as I know there are zero known cases of COVID where I work. Yet if the boss directs me to wear a mask, I can either wear a mask or I can find a new job. Because my boss has the authority to make me do that. It doesn't matter how stupid it is.

Doctors do not have any authority. And I can see why they would be challenged in explaining why someone should deal with the adverse side effects of taking an experimental drug to vaccinate them against something that might be a fraction of the threat to them as the seasonal flu is.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:02 PM | Reply

" For those under 18, little risk to dying from seasonal flu."

Once again, you're purposely ignoring the long-term effects on kids. My 17 yr old grand-nephew got Covid ~6 months ago, and still has no sense of taste. The grand-niece got it 8 months ago, and still gets very tired, very quickly, at 25. How will those turn out, or can't you be bothered to include long-haulers?

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:02 PM | Reply

"The time and effort? Please. For the vast majority of people access isn't an issue anymore."

The majority of people I know who have taken the vaccine had several days of unpleasant side-effects.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:04 PM | Reply

Polio had existed for thousands of years
Heard immunity was only achieved after wide spread vaccinations
You know, that vaccine you are required to have administered to your kids before they can attend school

No vaccine, poliomyelitis would still be crippling our kids

Mad bummer is just making stuff up, even in light of himself being protected from polio, because of the cdc recommendations The CDC has kept ungrateful POS"s and their offspring polio free since the 40's

#36 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-07-29 02:04 PM | Reply

If herd immunity is the end result, limiting interactions between human beings only pushes that further and further away.

You're dead set on not learning a single thing during this entire pandemic, aren't you?

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The non-stupid way to phrase that is - the only way to herd immunity without killing and sickening a bunch of people is through vaccination"

And since vaccination is not going to happen...you can do the math.

I'm really not sure why you're so concerned whether those who don't want to get vaxxed get sick or not?

Is it just that you want the government to force them to do something they otherwise wouldn't? Set a precedent for future efforts at "ensuring public safety?"

#38 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:07 PM | Reply

"Once again, you're purposely ignoring the long-term effects on kids. My 17 yr old grand-nephew got Covid ~6 months ago, and still has no sense of taste. The grand-niece got it 8 months ago, and still gets very tired, very quickly, at 25. How will those turn out, or can't you be bothered to include long-haulers?"

It doesn't matter.

Long-haulers, short haulers, whatever. Those who wanted the vaccine have gotten it. Those who don't want it aren't going to get it.

Delaying the path to herd immunity is only going to increase the number of all of these.

I don't know if you understand that, if you're in the same boat as Speaksoftly and JPW, you're advocating for dragging this thing out for as long as possible.

I know it's hard for progressives, but do yourselves a favor and try and view this rationally. Objectively.

Make your rational assumptions and go from there. At least one of you should be able to figure out why prolonging the pandemic is a bad thing.

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:10 PM | Reply

I was listening to Smerconish on the drive home today. He had a guest presenter on today with a doctor. I tried to look up who it was but can't find it.

So one guy on a radio show says it and it means it's true across the board?

I'm sure there is some frustration with changing guidance, just probably not what you're thinking.

The CDC shouldn't have changed the masking policy the way they did. It simply allowed those who are unvaccinated and selfish as ---- to walk around free and clear.

It also gave a false sense of security, leading to people interacting without precaution and, thus, facilitating the rise of delta in the US.

Finally, it didn't leave any room for flexibility in reinstituting masking and made their job harder now.

All of this leads to yet another wave that doctors and other health care professionals have to deal with.

Or is that basically what he said?

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 02:13 PM | Reply

"Delaying the path to herd immunity is only going to increase the number of all of these."

Your answer is to give the virus as many new hosts as it can handle. Variants are another topic you studiously avoid.

Your method would get us to the Omega Variant.

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Doctors do not have any authority. And I can see why they would be challenged in explaining why someone should deal with the adverse side effects of taking an experimental drug to vaccinate them against something that might be a fraction of the threat to them as the seasonal flu is.

#33 | Posted by madbomber

You think doctors lack the intelligence to explain herd immunity to people?

Or are you just assuming everyone is as dumb as you and can't comprehend how it works no matter how many times its explained to them?

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 02:16 PM | Reply

And I can see why they would be challenged in explaining why someone should deal with the adverse side effects of taking an experimental drug to vaccinate them against something that might be a fraction of the threat to them as the seasonal flu is.

#33 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Only because you apparently don't know the actual risks.

Risk of severe adverse reactions are on the order of 0.001%.

Risk of long term damage from COVID is much higher. 15-40%.

www.hackensackmeridianhealth.org

Not, it's not hard to explain that.

Also, stop listing death as the only adverse outcome. You look disingenuous as ---- by constantly doing that even after you've been constantly corrected.

#43 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 02:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The majority of people I know who have taken the vaccine had several days of unpleasant side-effects.

#35 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Fatigue and achiness is nothing.

Funny you overplay the effects of the vaccine while constantly underplaying the long term effects of COVID.

There's a word for that...dis....dis-something. Dishonest? Yeah! That's it! Dishonest.

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 02:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Those who wanted the vaccine have gotten it. Those who don't want it aren't going to get it.

Delaying the path to herd immunity is only going to increase the number of all of these.

I don't know if you understand that, if you're in the same boat as Speaksoftly and JPW, you're advocating for dragging this thing out for as long as possible.

I know it's hard for progressives, but do yourselves a favor and try and view this rationally. Objectively.

Make your rational assumptions and go from there. At least one of you should be able to figure out why prolonging the pandemic is a bad thing.

#39 | Posted by madbomber

The fastest way to end the pandemic for good is for everyone to get vaxxed. It's your idiotic false logic and your cult's stupid stubborness that prevents us from doing that.

What you are essentially admitting is your side is too stupid to get the vaccine so the only way to reach herd immunity is to let everyone get sick.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 02:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You look disingenuous as ---- by constantly doing that even after you've been constantly corrected.

#43 | Posted by jpw

Madbomber undergoes a brain wipe every night and all the facts he was smacked down with on the previous day are erased, requiring herd immunity and long covid to be explained to him every day anew.

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 02:20 PM | Reply

No vaccine, poliomyelitis would still be crippling our kids
Mad bummer is just making stuff up, even in light of himself being protected from polio, because of the cdc recommendations The CDC has kept ungrateful POS"s and their offspring polio free since the 40's

#36 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

The polio vaccine drive is a sad comparison to now.

Polio causes a harmless GI infection in 80% of cases. About 19% have generalized illness symptoms (fatigue, fever, achiness) while only about 1% had severe illness leading to poliomyelitis. Roughly 15,000 children a year got poliomyelitis. And yet the country happily went through a mass vaccination campaign to eradicate it.

Contrast that to now. Roughly the same numbers apply-80% are asymptomatic; 20% have symptoms with degrees of severity and about 1% will die. 30-50% of those with symptomatic infection, even mild symptoms, will have long lasting or permanent organ damage. It's already killed 600K+.

And yet 40% won't get vaccinated or even wear a mask. Cuz muh freedumz.

We've become a truly pathetic nation of self-centered ass clowns.

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm really not sure why you're so concerned whether those who don't want to get vaxxed get sick or not?

Another stupid question that's been asked and answered multiple times.

Vaccines work best at the population level. Get it yet?

#48 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So one guy on a radio show says it and it means it's true across the board?"

Fair enough. Maybe he meant he was tired of having to try and explain away CDC guidance to his patients and was just assuming all other doctors felt that way.

#49 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:24 PM | Reply

"The CDC shouldn't have changed the masking policy the way they did. It simply allowed those who are unvaccinated and selfish as ---- to walk around free and clear."

Why?

Was the science not sound.

If not over this, was it ever sound?

That's part of the problem. The erosion of credibility.

Another lesson in leadership for a group has little experience. Leaders normally assume their roles with 100% credibility. Most are able to hold on to it. But if you're in a position of authority and you give up your credibility, it's almost impossible to get it back. And your subordinates will question everything you do.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:28 PM | Reply

"Or is that basically what he said?"

Were you listening to the same program?

If not, you can catch it later. That's pretty much exactly what he said by my recollection.

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:29 PM | Reply

Your answer is to give the virus as many new hosts as it can handle. Variants are another topic you studiously avoid. Your method would get us to the Omega Variant.

Variants are a given. but the quicker herd immunity is achieved, the fewer variants will emerge.

Your prolonged method would wind up with someone having to come up with new nomenclature. Maybe Omega Omega. The 48th variant to come along. If we intentionally limit and punish human interaction, we might be able to draw this thing out for a long, long time.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:32 PM | Reply

"You think doctors lack the intelligence to explain herd immunity to people?"

They're contributing to herd immunity. But exposing themselves to other people. New restrictions on human interaction will only inhibit their ability to do so.

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:33 PM | Reply

"Variants are a given. but the quicker herd immunity is achieved, the fewer variants will emerge."

Nonsense. The more hosts you offer the variant, the more variants will emerge.

Did the radio doctor make any mention of...you know...a vaccine?

And tell us: how could we reach herd immunity fastest? By vaccination, or by tens of millions of worldwide deaths?

#54 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:38 PM | Reply

"Science isn't a book with all the answers. It's an empirical process."

Kinda like a house is usually a safe place but if it's on fire it's not a safe place.

#55 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-29 02:38 PM | Reply

"Why? Was the science not sound."

The science was sound; the underestimation of the American selfish idiocy was where they faltered.

#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Not, it's not hard to explain that. Also, stop listing death as the only adverse outcome. You look disingenuous as ---- by constantly doing that even after you've been constantly corrected."

Out of roughly 100 co-workers, friends, and family members, I know three people who may have symptoms related to long COVID. None of them tested positive. I'm one of them.

If I had to advise someone on living in lock-down indefinitely or deal with what I or one of the other two had had to deal with...take this. It's been a bit scary, but it's not going to kill you.

#57 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:40 PM | Reply

"The fastest way to end the pandemic for good is for everyone to get vaxxed."

I agree

100%

It. is. not. going. to. happen.

So stop acting like it's a possibility.

#58 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:41 PM | Reply

"What you are essentially admitting is your side is too stupid to get the vaccine so the only way to reach herd immunity is to let everyone get sick."

No. I disagree.

I don't have a side in this.

The part about letting everyone who won't get vaccinated get sick? 100%.

#59 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:42 PM | Reply

"Another stupid question that's been asked and answered multiple times. Vaccines work best at the population level. Get it yet?"

I'm not sure what you mean by population level. I would agree that the best outcome would be for everyone to get vaccinated.

But...

It. is. not. going. to. happen.

So why bring it up?

#60 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:44 PM | Reply

"And tell us: how could we reach herd immunity fastest? By vaccination, or by tens of millions of worldwide deaths?"

Vaccination.

But...

It. is. not. going. to. happen.

So plan B is let those who want to get sick get sick.

#61 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:46 PM | Reply

The sooner the better.

#62 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:46 PM | Reply

"So plan B is let those who want to get sick get sick."

And assume the doctors and nurses want to get sick as well?

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:47 PM | Reply

"The sooner the better."

Which would cause an overwhelming crush at hospitals.

You don't seem to have thought any of this out.

#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 02:48 PM | Reply

This is the part of the thread where Jesus Christ can be overheard saying "Jesus Christ" in reaction to madbombrz ridiculous assertion

Talk about a "lack of credibility"

This asshat thinks he can run everything better. From the safety of internet, and anonymously

#65 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-07-29 02:49 PM | Reply

Was the science not sound.

If not over this, was it ever sound?

That's part of the problem. The erosion of credibility.

Another lesson in leadership for a group has little experience. Leaders normally assume their roles with 100% credibility. Most are able to hold on to it. But if you're in a position of authority and you give up your credibility, it's almost impossible to get it back. And your subordinates will question everything you do.

#50 | Posted by madbomber

You know who demands that scientists have all the right answers immediately about a brand new pandemic? BABIES.

You know who treats scientific learning as proof that scientists don't know anything? MORONS.

#66 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The science was sound; the underestimation of the American selfish idiocy was where they faltered."

Hmm.

Do elaborate, Dr. D.

#67 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I would agree that the best outcome would be for everyone to get vaccinated.

But...

It. is. not. going. to. happen.

So why bring it up?

#60 | Posted by madbomber

Just to remind the world that the solution to this problem is within reach, but your cult of morons has tied our hands down so we can't reach it.

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 02:55 PM | Reply

This Vaccine, like many others, will be mandatory

COVID will circle back for the kids, just like smallpox did

Know-it-all anonymous sand pounders are just showing their impotence

#69 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-07-29 02:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And assume the doctors and nurses want to get sick as well?"

It depends.

In New York. 1/3 of healthcare workers are unvaccinated.

That leads me to conclude that A) they don't regard COVID as a threat, or B) they fear the vaccine more than they fear COVID itself.

I don't think they probably want to get sick, they just view getting sick as the optimal outcome when given the choice between that and the vaccine.

And they're healthcare workers. I'm not really in a position to argue with their decisions.

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 02:57 PM | Reply

"Do elaborate"

When they had 3 million vaccines a (time period), they assumed as folks saw the safety and efficacy of the vaccine, those numbers would continue. And based on that assumption, they went ahead with the (ill-advised) changes in mask guidance.

They probably never accounted for the Tucker Carlsons of the world secretly getting a vaccine, and then asking all kinds of "questions" on-air, questions which could've been easily answered by dozens of qualified doctors.

#71 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 03:01 PM | Reply

"In New York. 1/3 of healthcare workers are unvaccinated."

Lets see a link.

#72 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-29 03:02 PM | Reply

"Which would cause an overwhelming crush at hospitals. You don't seem to have thought any of this out."

Not in a research environment kind of way, but I did do so quick Gooling.

As of now, cases in the US continue to go up, as depicted here:

www.google.com

Yet death rates remain constant, as depicted here:

www.google.com

And hospitalization rates, stable/declining, as depicted here:

gis.cdc.gov

All still wayyyy below anything seen since March 2020.

And here is a JHU wesbite showing the availability of ICU/Inpatient hospital trends, with COVID smoked out as a discrete metric. As you can see, even in Arkansas, they're nowhere close to exceeding ICU or inpatient capacity.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

This is likely why Germany is starting to look at hospitalization rates, rather than new case rates, as the metric to determine whether or not the government needs to prevent humans from interacting with each other.

#73 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 03:04 PM | Reply

"This Vaccine, like many others, will be mandatory"

What other vaccines are mandatory?

Are you going to go out door kicking in order to forcibly stick jabs in people?

You don't seem the type.

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 03:06 PM | Reply

#72

You don't need a link. My word is good enough.

#76 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 03:07 PM | Reply

"You think they are listening to Trump? Or is it for other reasons?"

I certainly wasn't listening to Trump.

But had I lived in the US, I don't know that I would have gotten vaccinated.

My primary motivations were the end to the mask mandate and easier travel around Europe.

I wasn't worried about COVID before the vaccine...why worry about it after.

That being said my employer makes it pretty easy to get in and out when it comes to vaccines. In retrospect knowing that I wasn't going to have any side effects I would have gotten it. My kids too probably. My wife...no way. And she won't be getting boosters. The vaxx messed her up.

#79 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 03:12 PM | Reply

"1/3 of healthcare workers are unvaccinated."

Are you counting hospital workers, or janitors at upstate nursing homes?

#80 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 03:12 PM | Reply

#78

You're no fun.

#82 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 03:13 PM | Reply

"He may have actually gotten that one right if he means that the only way we're getting there is by force....not by relying on folks to do this on their own accord."

Nope.

The Spanish Flu ended despite the fact that there was no vaccine. It happened as a result of exposure.

I don't know how we get there by force. What does that look like? Police or Military out rounding people up for mandatory vaccinations?

Despite the massive risk you would be putting all of those people in, it would be almost impossible. I'm not even remotely a survivalist, but I could disappear into the back country for long enough to evade a second shot if I wanted.

It's easy to make the vax a requirement to do something else, in theory. Constitutional hurdles aside. It's almost impossible to make someone get vaxed if they don't want to get vaxed.

#83 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 03:18 PM | Reply

"As you can see, even in Arkansas, they're nowhere close to exceeding ICU or inpatient capacity."

Now do Springfield MO. Oh, look, hospital runs out of ventilators:
www.kait8.com

#84 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 03:20 PM | Reply

There is an article out where 400 Florida physicians say madbumbrz doesn't know what he is talking about about

In addition, there isn't a hospital system in the USA that doesn't require certain vaccinations as a condition of employment

I know, I work for them. It's either vaccinations, or mandatory masks when on-site

It's been like that for almost two decades.

And let me remind you, 2/3 nurses are grotesquely overweight and not exempt from mental health issues and substance abuse

#85 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-07-29 03:21 PM | Reply

That's sad because the selfish idiocy was very predictable.

-In New York. 1/3 of healthcare workers are unvaccinated.

You think they are listening to Trump? Or is it for other reasons?

The notion that this many people wouldn't get vaccinated this fast isn't all that hard to believe, if you really try.

We are a nation of the fattest, laziest, drug-addicted, selfish bastards in the world.

Christ, we should just tell unwed people to stop having sex then we'd stop having so many births out of wedlock.

But yet that continues unabated. "Geez...if we just didn't have so many morons around here!"

#74 | Posted by eberly

How many more americans would have gotten vaccinated if from the beginning trump treated covid as a real problem instead if trying to lie it away?

How many lives would have been saved if he had aggressively promoted mask wearing instead of mocking it?

How many more would have gotten vaccinated if he'd have gotten vaccinated in public instead of in a secret closet in the white house?

These answers are impossible to know for sure, but only a moron would say it wouldnt have made a significant difference. He's not just another politician - he's a cult leader and the only authority figure millions of morons trust.

Yes the problem is the morons, primarily the king of morons.

#86 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 03:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wasn't worried about COVID before the vaccine

#79 | Posted by madbomber

as if we didn't already know you're a stupid sociopath unbothered by mass death

#87 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 03:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No no, they should stand up for their freedoms. Don't vaxx, don't mask, just gather indoors and rant against Fauci.

My porn is listening to GQPers gasp their last breath in ICU. I need a regular supply of new gasps.

#88 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-29 03:40 PM | Reply

"Now do Springfield MO. Oh, look, hospital runs out of ventilators:"

Hmm...

That would be a problem if there weren't ventilators outside of Springfield.

#89 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 03:45 PM | Reply

"There is an article out where 400 Florida physicians say madbumbrz doesn't know what he is talking about about"

And......LINK!

#90 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 03:46 PM | Reply

"In addition, there isn't a hospital system in the USA that doesn't require certain vaccinations as a condition of employment"

I don't know that there is a school in the US that doesn't require vaccinations.

But this is the thing kimosabe...it's still an experimental treatment.

Decades ago, the US government used experimental treatments on military, minorities, and marginalized communities.

I think that because of this there may be some hesitancy to do it again.

#91 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 03:49 PM | Reply

"How many more americans would have gotten vaccinated if from the beginning trump treated covid as a real problem instead if trying to lie it away?"

Honestly?

For seasonal flu, around 45% of adults get vaxxed each year. Something like 65% of adults have gotten vaxxed for COVID.

Seems like a win.

#92 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 03:52 PM | Reply

"Decades ago, the US government used experimental treatments on military, minorities, and marginalized communities.
I think that because of this there may be some hesitancy to do it again."

Indeed. But these vaccines are not an experimental treatment. They are an emergency use authorization treatment. There's a difference, even if you don't understand the difference.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 03:53 PM | Reply

"Something like 65% of adults have gotten vaxxed for COVID."

Not in Trumpland.
Not on the Democrat Plantation.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 03:54 PM | Reply

"it's still an experimental treatment."

And how long should we test it before people get the vaccine?

2 years?

3?

10?

My town hasn't had any fatalities from covid for over half a year because of the vaccine.

As for your fear mongering Doctors at Stanford Medical got in public arguments over which of them should get vaccinated first.

Or do you think you know more about medicine than them?

#95 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-29 03:54 PM | Reply

"There's a difference, even if you don't understand the difference."

I don't need to understand. Zero ----- to give.

What I do understand is that military personnel are not obligated to get the COVID vaccine, even if they are required to get the annual flu shot. And a number of other jabs depending on where you might be or might be heading.

#96 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 03:56 PM | Reply

I'm not sure what you mean by population level. I would agree that the best outcome would be for everyone to get vaccinated.

But...

It. is. not. going. to. happen.

So why bring it up?

#60 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I bring it up to counter the notion that if you're vaccinated you have nothing to worry about.

Yeah, you have a significantly decreased chance of severe disease, but with delta you can still get it and spread it. Jury is still out whether mild breakthrough cases still carry same risk of long term effects.

What I mean by population level is the efficacy rises as the vaccinated proportion of the population rises. The effects compound. Less people infected, less infected people who are contagious, contagious cases are less contagious. All increase as proportions increase.

The overarching goal of a vaccination drive isn't just to protect individuals. It's to decrease spread of the disease via the above effects and is measured by the R0 value. Of course individual protection is involved, but it's the mass action of widespread vaccination that makes the effect as profound as it can be.

#97 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 03:57 PM | Reply

The science was sound; the underestimation of the American selfish idiocy was where they faltered.

#56 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Very NW.

#98 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 03:59 PM | Reply

"What I do understand is that military personnel are not obligated to get the COVID vaccine"

Military personnel aren't obligated to get any vaccine.

Health decisions are always voluntary.

Of course, for many vaccines, the refusal means you can't be in the military any more. But you're always free to refuse.

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 04:00 PM | Reply

they just view getting sick as the optimal outcome when given the choice between that and the vaccine.

And they're healthcare workers. I'm not really in a position to argue with their decisions.

#70 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I am. It's an abhorrently stupid decision.

Risks of side effects from vaccination is much much lower than risks from COVID.

I've posted the numbers and they're not even close.

#100 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 04:03 PM | Reply

" For seasonal flu, around 45% of adults get vaxxed each year."

And 31k get it, on average.

"Something like 65% of adults have gotten vaxxed for COVID."

And we had the equivalent of twenty years of Flu deaths in 12 months.

"Seems like a win."

Not to Math.

#101 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 04:05 PM | Reply

"He should have listened to the experts."
You mean the experts that are still learning and still disagree with each other?

#13 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE AT 2021-07-29 12:42 PM | REPLY

As always, the PHESTER is happing between your ears, it's amazing what's left of what you call a "brain" hasn't leaked out through your ears. So here are some simple facts that maybe will help you to understand:

FACT: The Coronavirus attacks the respiratory system, and is generally transmitted through the air by breathing, screaming, and coughing.

FACT: Fully vaccinated people ARE very unlikely to catch Alpha variant. In the unlikely case of a breakthrough infection of the Alpha variant, SCIENCE SHOWED it to be very unlikely that vaccinated people could spread the disease because of low viral load in their nasal passages. So CDC recommended ditching masks for the vaccinated.

FACT: Thanks to anti-vax morons on the REICH, who refuse to do the patriotic thing and get vaccinated, unvaccinated areas in the red states have allowed the Delta variant to take hold, and spread like wildfire. New research shows that vaccinated people are more susceptible to catching the Delta variant than they were Alpha, and they are very unlikely to need hospitalization and almost never die from it. The research also shows that vaccinated people who catch Delta often have no idea that they are sick. Thanks to SCIENCE, we know that the viral load in their nasal passages is similar to unvaccinated people who get Delta, so they CAN spread it just as easily as an unvaccinated moron.

So follow the logic if you can, masking up for vaccinated people is likely to stop them from getting a breakthrough of the Delta variant, AND it will also help to stop those with breakthrough infections from infecting others.

Are you one of those morons who complains about wearing your seatbelt when you have airbags in your car? Individually they both keep you safer than nothing, but combined they make surviving a crash hundreds of times more likely.

#102 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-07-29 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The Spanish Flu ended despite the fact that there was no vaccine. It happened as a result of exposure."

The flu didn't end. It's here every year.

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 04:15 PM | Reply

That would be a problem if there weren't ventilators outside of Springfield.

#89 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

But here is the potential problem.

Last autumn/winter the rural areas were largely spared. It was urban centers that got hammered.

This time we're seeing it hammering rural areas and moving into urban centers.

Springfield is in trouble and patients are being moved to KC or STL, who currently have capacity to take them. If urban case loads spike like rural ones, there won't be capacity to take transfers. Rural hospitals will be full with nowhere to send their overfill.

#104 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 04:19 PM | Reply

"As for your fear mongering Doctors at Stanford Medical got in public arguments over which of them should get vaccinated first."

Really?

Was Dr. Jay Bhattacharya among them?

#105 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 04:21 PM | Reply

"I bring it up to counter the notion that if you're vaccinated you have nothing to worry about."

You shouldn't be telling me...you should be telling the unvaccinated.

...that the vaxx is most likely a waste of time.

#106 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 04:24 PM | Reply

"you should be telling the unvaccinated.
...that the vaxx is most likely a waste of time."

Isn't that what you're doing?

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 04:26 PM | Reply

"Military personnel aren't obligated to get any vaccine. Health decisions are always voluntary."

Really?

I guess you know something that I don't.

Based on your vast military experience, maybe?

I spent a year in Doha, which is basically a wannabe Dubai. I once had to get an Anthrax shot before I could travel back to the US.

#108 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 04:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Was Dr. Jay Bhattacharya among them?"

Sorry I'm not google.

#109 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-29 04:28 PM | Reply

"I once had to get an Anthrax shot before I could travel back to the US."

But you didn't have to get the shot.

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 04:29 PM | Reply

"And 31k get it, on average."

You're saying 31k get the seasonal flu each year?

Yeah...seems about right.

#111 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 04:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I guess you know something that I don't."

Nuremberg Code. Look it up.

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 04:30 PM | Reply

"But you didn't have to get the shot."

Yeah...I suppose. Not related to the emir, not vaccinated enough to return to the US.

...It could have made a nice movie...

#113 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 04:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"But you didn't have to get the shot."

Yeah...I suppose. Not related to the emir, not vaccinated enough to return to the US.

...It could have made a nice movie...

#114 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 04:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You never have to get a shot.
You can thank the Nazis for that!
So be sure and do that.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 04:34 PM | Reply

"There is an article out where 400 Florida physicians say madbumbrz doesn't know what he is talking about about"

And......LINK!

#90 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

No citation is required for a self evident truth.

#116 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-07-29 04:41 PM | Reply

"You never have to get a shot. You can thank the Nazis for that!"

Thanks, socialism!

#117 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 04:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Decades ago, the US government used experimental treatments on military, minorities, and marginalized communities.

I think that because of this there may be some hesitancy to do it again.

#91 | Posted by madbomber

yeah that's it. Its because of the government from the 1920s that people are hesitant. Not because the cult leader of one of the major parties has been spreading covid misinformation since the beginning.

#118 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 04:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You mean the experts that are still learning and still disagree with each other?

#13 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

Only in the modern GOP is "learning" seen as something bad.

#119 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 04:42 PM | Reply

#116

Are you really making me famous?

Thanks Bro!

#120 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 04:44 PM | Reply

"AHCA: 42% of Florida hospital workers weren't vaccinated, as of June 4"

www.wtsp.com

#121 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 04:45 PM | Reply

"Only in the modern GOP is "learning" seen as something bad."

The modern GOP is a re-hash of the Know-Nothings of the 1840s and 1850s.

You'll never guess what happened when a Republican was elected in the 1860s!

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 04:49 PM | Reply

Progressives aren't smart.

Not saying conservatives are, but the Speak/Chief/Snoof faction is just embarrassing.

Congrats JPW, you're the smartest girl in mom's basement.

#123 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 04:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" You're saying 31k get the seasonal flu each year?"

31k die from it.

My apologies that wasn't clearer.

#124 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 04:53 PM | Reply

Progressives aren't smart.

Not saying conservatives are, but the Speak/Chief/Snoof faction is just embarrassing.

Congrats JPW, you're the smartest girl in mom's basement.

#125 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 04:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Do you honestly think you sound intelligent?

Enough so to mock other people's intelligence?

#126 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-29 05:07 PM | Reply

"31k die from it. My apologies that wasn't clearer."

That's a -------- response.

Your response should have been that many people tell you that only 31k people get the flu each year.

And it's amazing. It's beautiful.

You can't say how many people tell you this.

#127 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 05:09 PM | Reply

" You can't say how many people tell you this."

For some silly reason, I thought the 31k number of annual flu deaths was recognizable, due to the incessant comparisons to Covid. The stat was well-researched, and it's been the barometer since the start.

Sorry I assumed that much was obvious. Frankly, only 31K annual cases of flu shouldn't have passed anyone's smell test.

#128 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 05:27 PM | Reply

Progressives aren't smart.

Not saying conservatives are, but the Speak/Chief/Snoof faction is just embarrassing.

Congrats JPW, you're the smartest girl in mom's basement.

#123 | Posted by madbomber

The guy who needs to have herd immunity re-explained to him every single day is saying other people aren't smart.

#129 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 05:35 PM | Reply

^
Is that why the GOP is against product labeling?

You know, cause people are dumb to what they eat and the GOP wants it that way?

Is that what "conservative" ideology plays to? Fattys, gun nuts and people who ignore doctors and scientists?

Seems that way since it's only "conservative" mouthpieces that give these, as you say "morons", credence and validity

Every item you mentioned is a modern "conservative" talking point. Don't trust science, don't trust doctors, nobody should recommend you eat well, and so on and so forth
This ideology has made it's subscribers un governable

#131 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-07-29 06:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

jesus christ, madbombers posts are so stupid reading them is a form of self harm.

#132 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-29 06:59 PM | Reply

they've been ignoring doctors, scientists, and experts their entire lives.

#130 | Posted by eberly

Does that improve or get worse when the president and one entire party tells them they're smart and patriotic and not to listen to doctors and scientists?

#133 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 07:04 PM | Reply

Why ask that question? Nobody has said trump hasn't influenced the dopes.

#134 | Posted by eberly

Because you're doing your predictable thing where you act like this is all business as usual and ignore that trump and trumpism is far worse than the typical old republican stupidity.

#135 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 07:13 PM | Reply

"THEY WERE MORONS LONG BEFORE COVID.
I really don't think you guys get that."

We've been posting here for fifteen years and you don't think we get that?

#136 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 07:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Give Trump some credit for being the catalyzing, polarizing agent of failure he is.

He's your side's Obama.

#138 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 07:32 PM | Reply

I realize you have to argue against any explanation for why things are if it doesn't point to trump.

We can both be right here but as usual you're stuck in binary hell which means we can't both be right.

#137 | Posted by eberly

I realize you have to pretend your party hasn't lost it's mind, become far worse than before, and become the cult of a fascist con man, so that you can act like there's nothing wrong with using your vote to keep them in power.

Keep pretending politics isn't binary right now, while republicans try to block the investigation into a terrorist attack intended to end democracy because it hurts them politically. You are either helping trumpism or helping resist trumpism. You've clearly chosen your side.

#139 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 07:52 PM | Reply

I will. I'll keep pretending not everything is politics.

You keep knowing everything is politics. Your oatmeal, the color of your shoes....everything. politics and binary.

#140 | Posted by eberly

As long as you admit it's just pretending.

You look like a fool pretending covid isn't political, since the con man head of your moron cult is the one who politicized it in the first place.

I'll keep repeating FASCIST CON MAN every time he's mentioned, because that's what he is. I realize that's uncomfortable for you to hear, but I don't care about your feelings. If you get tired of being associated with a fascist con man you could always stop defending his cult, deflecting from his crimes, and voting for his enablers.

#142 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 08:11 PM | Reply

I respect the CDC just as much as I do the NIH, WHO, FBI, IRS, DOJ, ........

#148 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-07-29 08:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

...GOP, USMC, NRA, OAN, ...

#149 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 08:40 PM | Reply

"I'll keep pretending not everything is politics."

Is Obama's NCAA bracket politics? How about Obama's tan suit? Or the COVID-19 pandemic?

#150 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 08:44 PM | Reply

"When the virus replicates within a vaccinated environment it raises the odds that virus will mutate into a vaccine resistant phenotype."

Delta didn't arise in a vaccinated environment. And it's not called a phenotype either.

#151 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 08:48 PM | Reply

Personally, I can't figure out MB's raison d'etre for constantly arguing on here about this stuff. It's not as if he is going to convince anyone one with a lick of sense to his point of view.

It's one of two things: Either he is trying to convince himself, or he is doing this for money.

#152 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-29 09:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Breakthroughs are now likely very common, but we can't know because they stopped testing and counting moderate to asymptomatic cases in the vaccinated group as there are too many to test!
Why not collect valuable data, unless it's politically dangerous. Science should demand for it and not enough scientists are.

That's not why the CDC stopped testing. They stopped testing on May 1st before the Delta variant had reached the US in any significant way. They should be testing, however, and some scientists/doctors are saying so:

CDC needs to start tracking all Covid breakthrough infections, Gottlieb says

The CDC stopped tracking every breakthrough case in the U.S. on May 1, focusing just on those that result in hospitalization or death, a move physicians and scientists are increasingly criticizing.

www.cnbc.com

#153 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-29 09:29 PM | Reply

"It's one of two things: Either he is trying to convince himself, or he is doing this for money."

It's the former.

He's desperate to believe it's not really that bad, since he can't guarantee he didn't infect anyone.

#154 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 09:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

In the past 16 months more brains than hands have been washed. I expect the trend to continue. Obey!

#143 | POSTED BY FSUKNOWIT

LOL another Dunning-Kruger moron offering his expert opinion.

Tell me, since you're apparently non-brain washed and are a 'free thinker' I'm sure, how does breakthrough infection of vaccinated individuals lead to a new variant when infection of a non-vaccinated person does not?

This should be an easy question for one so informed and insightful as yourself.

And don't C&P someone else's thoughts here. Explain it in your own words.

#155 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-30 10:31 AM | Reply

I respect the CDC just as much as I do the NIH, WHO, FBI, IRS, DOJ, ........

#148 | POSTED BY MSGT

Because you're an idiot who thinks the only honest politician in America is Trump LOL

#156 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-30 10:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Lets just make it simple: No vaccine, no COVID medical care.

Problem solved.

#157 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-07-30 12:30 PM | Reply

#158

Link?

Wait, I'll go first.

Nice try bot

www.cnn.com

#159 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-30 01:35 PM | Reply

#158 | Posted by FSUknowit

All COVID needs to mutate are infected bodies spreading and infecting other bodies. Anti-mask/anti-vax populations will continue the spread and thus the mutant variants. COVID will be around for the foreseeable future and likely mutate into variants that render current vaccinations less or completely ineffective.

We can end this pandemic if enough people get vaccinated. It's worked to eradicate other debilitating viruses from polio to small pox and others.

#160 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-30 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Honestly, I think everyone ------- when you post here.

#145 | Posted by eberly

I love when you switch to your weird sexual obsession posts because it means I've won the argument.

#161 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-30 01:38 PM | Reply

Your only argument is that all of the ills of the world are the fault of the "cult crazy trump and his followers" and I'm one of them....so it's all my fault.

#162 | Posted by eberly

Either your reading comprehension is terrible or you're building a strawman because you can better argue against that.

#163 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-30 01:51 PM | Reply

The general gist of everyone's beef against you Eberly is that while you oppose Trumpism, you don't work to actively stop it. You try to find some nuance or caveat that prevents you from saying the truth: these people are awful and they are destroying American society.

I don't care if other factors, factions, or ideas have the potential for damage also. We get that, there's room for debate, but not while we have a malignant potentially fatal societal illness bringing us ever closer to failed state status.

We are 60 percent there right now IMO.

#164 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-30 02:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

^165 False.

The non-vaccinated are contributing to the problem at magnitudes more than the vaccinated people. True or false?

#166 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-30 03:52 PM | Reply

"Again, what are you doing that I'm not?"

Besides refusing to legitimize them, associate with them, or acknowledge any validity to their worldview? I treat them like the extremists they are, I don't care how many of them there are, they are as extreme as ISIS and the Nazis

#170 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-30 04:50 PM | Reply

Define "problem".

#167 | Posted by FSUknowit

Your cult is so stupid and selfish that you wont even agree that a pandemic is a problem. Mass suffering isn't a problem if you're evil.

#171 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-30 04:52 PM | Reply

Trumpism, you don't work to actively stop it.

What do you think you're doing that I'm not to "stop it".

I put "" around that because I'm not sure what you mean by that. Stop what? republicans from living?

Again, what are you doing that I'm not?

#168 | Posted by eberly

Do you vote for trump's enablers and protectors or not?

With your spare time, do you attack the party that tried to end democracy on 1/6, or the party that wants democracy to continue?

#173 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-30 04:55 PM | Reply

Do you donate your money to the fascism side, or the democracy side?

#174 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-30 04:58 PM | Reply

Don't brag about your charity, it soils it.

#177 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-30 05:17 PM | Reply

-Do you vote for trump's enablers and protectors or not?

who are they? name names

See....I don't give a crap who you vote for. It doesn't really define you. You believe otherwise.

Why? because you do nothing else except whine here all day and night.

I live in the world. Tomorrow, I plan to offer my time for a united way work day. my family and I are fixing up and painting a house for an elderly person who needs it done badly and can't afford those services.

what are you doing? Oh...wait.....I know.

#175 | Posted by eberly

That's a lot of typing to avoid admitting that you do in fact vote for and fund the fascist anti american morons that enable and protect trump.

#179 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-30 05:44 PM | Reply

No it isn't. It's a lot of typing to have a lot of fun with you because I'm guilty of nothing you accuse me of.

I don't give any help to Trump directly or indirectly

Personally I think you gave him more help than some Republicans

#180 | Posted by eberly

Sure. We're all going to believe that you spend all day deflecting from republicans and blaming democrats, but when you go vote you don't vote republican.

You already admitted you do dum dum. You said you had no choice because red state blah blah blah. Why put effort into denying what you've already admitted?

#181 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-30 06:00 PM | Reply

#182

Well, where were you on August 12th 1688?

Just as I freaking thought!

Look, I have seen many times through the years where you attempt to equivocate and ask rhetorical questions to fairly obvious facts among other tactics, and I call you out on it rather often.

And no, the DR is not my primary outlet for supporting Anti-Trumpism. Aside from the ballot box, the biggest thing I do is not type on a blog, it's vote with my wallet. I have always done that. The second thing I do is call lawmakers and other civic correspondence, which I do occasionally. And then a little bit of Facebook and DR, but it's a minor piece.

That was a bad argument.

#183 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-30 06:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Look, I have seen many times through the years where you attempt to equivocate and ask rhetorical questions to fairly obvious facts among other tactics, and I call you out on it rather often."

^
This.
Eberly even asked me to define "equivocate" the other day, when I said Miranda7 was doing it.
I mean really.

#184 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-30 06:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-and blaming democrats,

You poor thing.

Might as well accuse me of witchcraft with all the absurdity of your posts.

#182 | Posted by eberly

Everyone has seen what you do here every day - downplay and minimize republican crimes, deflect from trump, draw false equivilancies to democrats, ad nauseum. And you've admitted to voting for his fascist party members that protect him from accoutability.

Trump has this skill where he can simply deny something that everyone already saw and heard with their own eyes and ears, and making them believe him instead of their own eyes and ears.

You do not have that skill.

#185 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-30 06:35 PM | Reply

"I don't give any help to Trump directly or indirectly"

NOT GOOD ENOUGH EBERLY.
If you're not personally planning a hit, you're part of the problem!
--SpeakSoftly

#186 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-30 06:35 PM | Reply

I'm fine with being the devils advocate
#188 | Posted by eberly

That's the most accurate thing you've ever posted. That's literally what you are.

#189 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-30 06:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Delta came from the unvaccinated, true. AFAIK all current variants began in the unvaccinated. That doesn't preclude the vaccinated group being the source for a variant even more dangerous. When that happens who will the vaccinated blame?
Time will tell. Covid isn't the underdog in this battle.

#158 | POSTED BY FSUKNOWIT

Yeah, actually, it is.

Immunity is what drive adaptation. SARS-CoV-2 doesn't know or care if that immunity is because of previous infection or vaccination.

I actually just realized something I hadn't included in any of my rebuttals to your posts.

Infection of a vaccinated individual largely drives selection of S protein mutations, which only effects two things-ACE2 binding or antibody function. Any other mutation that's advantageous for the virus won't be effected by the host's vaccination status. Why? Because there's no selective pressure in that host that's due to vaccination. Any selective pressure in proteins other than S is due to host genetics or pre-existing cross-reactive immunity. In other words, it is pure chance whether the transmitted viral genomes contain a mutation outside of S protein.

And being vaccinated decreases that random chance by providing some level of protection, even if it's not maximal.

Keep trying sport.

#190 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-31 01:22 AM | Reply

Care to actually address what I said?

Or are you looking for more cherry picked lines from articles to demand I respond to without acknowledging what I've said?

#192 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-31 01:43 AM | Reply

Guess not.

#193 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-31 01:58 AM | Reply

In the context of the study I linked you didn't address the study or the "cherry picked" findings either

Ummmm yeah, I did. I quoted the abstract (the easiest part of a study to read and understand) where it clearly sells a different conclusion than you.

A vaccine that doesn't prevent infection administered in the midst of a pandemic is a potential major disaster.

The very study you linked to disputes this.

It's only a problem when you have populations forgoing non-pharmaceutical interventions.

In other worse, vaccines don't work when you have the current crop of ------- in the US.

Is the goal for the current vaccines to allow infections and allow transmissions? Looks like it's going to be a success.

No, it that wasn't the goal.

That's only the outcome because of Dunning-Kruger -------- like you.

The drug pushers ought slow their roll; allow natural selection take its toll.

#194 | POSTED BY FSUKNOWIT

So you're goal is to kill as many people as possible?

#195 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-31 03:48 AM | Reply

You conveniently pop in to post anti-vaxx -------- but retreat from threads where you're handed your ass.

I'm curious why rcade tolerates your using his site to spread misinformation.

#196 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-31 03:49 AM | Reply

JPW

"I'm curious why rcade tolerates your using his site to spread misinformation.

Just use the "Offensive" flag a few times. Rcade can't be everywhere all the time. Once he's alerted it won't be long before he takes notice.

#197 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-31 06:09 AM | Reply

"Breakthroughs are now likely very common, but we can't know because they stopped testing and counting moderate to asymptomatic cases in the vaccinated group as there are too many to test!"

No they are not.

Breakthrough infections only accounts for 1% of infections.

So the vaccine is 99% effective.

Stop spreading lies.

There is a war on. Whose side are you on? The virus or the humans? If you are human do what you need to do to defeat the enemy. Get your vaccinations and wear a mask until we defeat the enemy. Or become the enemy.

Your choice.

#198 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-07-31 10:30 AM | Reply

"jesus christ, madbombers posts are so stupid reading them is a form of self harm."

Isn't there a plonk function...if you feel like your worldview is becoming a little too broad?

#199 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 12:37 PM | Reply

"He's desperate to believe it's not really that bad, since he can't guarantee he didn't infect anyone."

It's utterly impossible to infect someone else. They have to choose to put themselves in the situation where they were infected.

Just like if someone infected me, which would have had to occur for me to infect someone else, it occurred because I chose to put myself in a situation where I would be exposed to infection.

#200 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 12:39 PM | Reply

"There is a war on. Whose side are you on? The virus or the humans?"

That's a bit dramatic.

COVID kills the old, the sick, the weak...those who are already dying of something else.

So if you're one of those people, it's prolly time to consider a life that doesn't involve other humans. Or just accept the fact that life around other humans might kill you.

I'm curious, is one required to trade their balls for the coveted progressive membership card?

#201 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 12:43 PM | Reply

"There is a war on. Whose side are you on? The virus or the humans?"

That's a bit dramatic.

COVID kills the old, the sick, the weak...those who are already dying of something else.

So if you're one of those people, it's prolly time to consider a life that doesn't involve other humans. Or just accept the fact that life around other humans might kill you.

I'm curious, is one required to trade their balls for the coveted progressive membership card?

#202 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 12:45 PM | Reply

" They have to choose to put themselves in the situation where they were infected."

Dude ... that lie doesn't work anymore. You've already admitted your coworkers had no choice but to work next to you.

#203 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-31 12:47 PM | Reply

that lie doesn't work anymore.

It's MythBoofer, he doesn't know how to post anything but lies. Repeatedly.

#204 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-31 12:51 PM | Reply

"The general gist of everyone's beef against you Eberly is that while you oppose Trumpism, you don't work to actively stop it. You try to find some nuance or caveat that prevents you from saying the truth: these people are awful and they are destroying American society."

Yeah...the left is just as guilty.

How many people did you see in this site saying that the Capitol Police should have killed more people. Or that more 1/6ers should be executed for treason?

Or that the Federal Police in Portland were too heavy-handed? That rioters would have been less rioty and ----- had Trump just let them burn a few buildings here and there. And actually, it was Trump's fault for inflaming the rioters by bringing in law enforcement.

Here's the deal, Champ. I think the 1/6ers should be utterly crushed by some crazy Von Clausewitz type ----. CONINTELPRO type stuff. And most on the left do as well. But when it comes to left-wing protesters? When it comes to Portland? Not so much support on the left. Then it's the typical blaming the cops and surveillance activities as being unconstitutional.

The only one I've seen to even attempt to break ranks is JPW, and his was a very lukewarm effort. I think he might fear being cancelled.

#205 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 12:52 PM | Reply

"Dude ... that lie doesn't work anymore. You've already admitted your coworkers had no choice but to work next to you."

What lie?

They chose to pursue employment in a specific location. They chose to be next to me.

I didn't hold a gun to their heads.

Nor did they hold a gun to my head. And I was just as exposed to them as they were to me. I am just as exposed to them as they are to me.

But I'm not a -----. I'm not that worried about it.

#206 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 12:54 PM | Reply

COVID kills the old, the sick, the weak...those who are already dying of something else.

POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You keep saying this. It kills others as well.

#207 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-31 12:55 PM | Reply

"It's MythBoofer, he doesn't know how to post anything but lies. Repeatedly."

You're the dumbest of the dumb.

Why have you not plonked me? Is it because you can't figure out how?

#208 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 12:56 PM | Reply

"You keep saying this. It kills others as well."

Yup.

Do does the seasonal flu. So does food poisoning. Heart Disease. Cancer. Car crashes...whatever.

Listen princess, I'm not telling you that you should stop living life because you might be exposed to other people...I'm telling you I'm not going to stop.

If you're worried about it, I would highly encourage you to move to Alaska. Somewhere north of the Chena river. You can have your necessary supplies air-dropped. You could almost eliminate any sort of human contact altogether.

#209 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 12:59 PM | Reply

MadBomber, do you care if you get herpes or HIV or cancer?

#210 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-31 01:02 PM | Reply

"Why have you not plonked me?"

Will that get you to stop lying?

#211 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-31 01:03 PM | Reply

"I'm not that worried about it."

You seem to be pretty worried about other people who are worried about it.

You keep trying to wis them into the cornfield.

#212 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-31 01:05 PM | Reply

But I'm not a -----. I'm not that worried about it.

#206 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

No, just a sociopath.

#213 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-31 01:34 PM | Reply

So I guess that's mad's schtick. He sees his position as some sort of statement about his masculinity.

#214 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-31 01:35 PM | Reply

"But I'm not a -----."

If you weren't a -----, you'd get out of that airplane and fight like a man!

#215 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-31 01:38 PM | Reply

#214 Toxic masculinity spreads like a cancer until completely unrelated things are corrupted.

Like taking simple measures to prevent the spread of disease. Apparently doing that makes you less of a man.

Washing your hands makes you a -----.

#216 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-31 01:42 PM | Reply

I'm not a -----.

Citation necessary.

#217 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-31 01:47 PM | Reply

"MadBomber, do you care if you get herpes or HIV or cancer?"

I would prefer not to.

But I'm not going to stop engaging in those activities that might, in a one-off chance, result in me getting herpes or HIV.

Cancer is a given. It's just a matter of time. It's just something you need to accept.

#218 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 01:57 PM | Reply

"Will that get you to stop lying?"

Would it get you to stop lying?

#219 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 01:57 PM | Reply

"You seem to be pretty worried about other people who are worried about it."

Well...yeah. If policy is driven by those who worry about it, I'm affected. Effectively, I'm forced to worry about it.

Even if I could give a ---- less.

#220 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 02:00 PM | Reply

"So I guess that's mad's schtick. He sees his position as some sort of statement about his masculinity."

Nope.

Most of the women I know hold the same position as me on COVID. Some are quite feminine. Some are quite cute.

They're just not ------ Like you.

#221 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 02:01 PM | Reply

----- may be a loaded word.

Coward might be better.

Synonyms & Antonyms of coward (Entry 1 of 2)
a person who shows a shameful lack of courage in the face of danger
the soldiers who ran as soon as the first shots were fired were branded as cowards
Synonyms for coward

chicken, craven, cur, dastard, funk, poltroon, recreant, sissy
Words Related to coward

defeatist, quitter
cream puff, milquetoast, pushover, ----- [slang], weakling, wimp
caitiff, snake, sneak
ostrich, scaramouch (or scaramouche)

#222 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 02:02 PM | Reply

Synonyms & Antonyms of coward (Entry 2 of 2)
as in cowardly, craven
Synonyms & Near Synonyms for coward

cowardly, craven, gutless, lily-livered, pusillanimous
cowed, daunted, intimidated, unnerved
careful, cautious, heedful, prudent, unadventurous, wary
appalled, dismayed, startled
phobic
agitated, anxious, apprehensive, disconcerted, disquieted, disturbed, funky, jittery, jumpy, nervous, panicked, panicky, panic-stricken, perturbed, skittish, uneasy, upset, worried
chicken, fainthearted, fearsome, shrinking, shy, timid, timorous, tremulant, tremulous
affrighted, afraid, aghast, alarmed, fearful, frightened, horrified, horror-struck, hysterical (also hysteric), scared, scary, shocked, spooked, terrified, terrorized

#223 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 02:03 PM | Reply

"Like taking simple measures to prevent the spread of disease. Apparently doing that makes you less of a man."

Not sure what "man" has to do with it.

Demanding that other take action to make you feel better or safer...that makes you less of a human. For the simple fact that you feel you have the right to tell others that they're obligated to sacrifice on your behalf...so you don't have to.

#224 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 02:05 PM | Reply

They're just not ------ Like you.

#221 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Or they're just self-absorbed, selfish sociopaths like you.

#225 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-31 02:09 PM | Reply

"Demanding that other take action to make you feel better or safer...that makes you less of a human."

Requiring doctors to wash their hands makes us less human.

Criminalizing drunk driving makes us less human.

Making kids go to school until they're 16 makes us less human.

#226 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-31 02:09 PM | Reply

"Not sure what "man" has to do with it."

^
----- comment.

#227 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-31 02:12 PM | Reply

If you're worried about it (COVID)

#209 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT

Any sane person would be. And, like dealing with poisonous snakes, only arrogant -------- who don't respect reptiles usually get bitten.

#228 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-31 02:17 PM | Reply

"Or they're just self-absorbed, selfish sociopaths like you."

I'll assume that sociopath is another term for --------?

I'm good with that.

#229 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 02:31 PM | Reply

"----- comment."

Most of the chicks I know would call you a -----.

Before making you go fix them a turkey pot pie.

#230 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 02:33 PM | Reply

"Any sane person would be. And, like dealing with poisonous snakes, only arrogant -------- who don't respect reptiles usually get bitten."

To be fair, I've never been much scurred of the snakeses either.

#231 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-31 02:33 PM | Reply

To be fair, I've never been much scurred of the snakeses either.

#231 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

No reason to be frightened. Every reason to be respectful.

You're headed for a fall.

#232 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-31 02:56 PM | Reply

"Demanding that other take action to make you feel better or safer...that makes you less of a human."

I'll never understand people who intentionally lie to justify their position.

Show some character FFS.

#233 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-31 03:03 PM | Reply

MadBomber's arguments tend to boil down to sayimg its immoral for people to take others into consideration.

#234 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-31 03:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I'll assume that sociopath is another term for --------?
I'm good with that.

#229 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

No idea what that says.

#235 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-31 03:07 PM | Reply

Most of the chicks I know would call you a -----.

How many of them are classless-----------?

#236 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-31 03:07 PM | Reply

MadBomber's arguments tend to boil down to sayimg its immoral for people to take others into consideration.

#234 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It's his world, we're just living in it.

#237 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-31 03:15 PM | Reply

"Demanding that other take action to make you feel better or safer...that makes you less of a human."

Then why enable us?

If Orwell was right, and we only sleep soundly because rough men stand ready to do violence on our behalf... why enable us to live the lie?

We don't deserve to have you on that Wall.

What the hell are you doing with your life up there???

#238 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-31 03:35 PM | Reply

Yeah...the left is just as guilty.

#205 | Posted by madbomber

Another day, another failed effort by madbomber to get anyone to beleive that BLM was the same thing as 1/6.

I'd explain all the ways they were very different, but I already have. As has everyone else. You simply pretend you haven't read it, haven't heard it, and return the next day to try and sell the same lie again.''

Because what else can you do? You can't deny that your party inspired a bunch of terrorists to try and stop democracy. The best you can do is pretend the other side is just as bad, but your best example is nowhere even close.

#239 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-31 05:33 PM | Reply

"No reason to be frightened. Every reason to be respectful."

Let me rephrase.

I'm not scared to leave me house knowing that there are snakes outside.

While there is a chance that snake might bite me, resulting in death or some long term health problems, I judge the benefits gained from leaving my house as being worth the cost.

#240 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-01 03:04 AM | Reply

"MadBomber's arguments tend to boil down to sayimg its immoral for people to take others into consideration."

Not really.

Rather it's immoral for you to demand that others consider you.

#241 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-01 03:04 AM | Reply

"Another day, another failed effort by madbomber to get anyone to beleive that BLM was the same thing as 1/6."

Were BLM protesters burning Portland for 120 straight days last summer?

#242 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-01 03:07 AM | Reply

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