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Thursday, July 29, 2021

Stephen Collinson: For the briefest moment, amid an inferno of fury, mistrust, stunts and ill-faith, Congress actually worked.

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The twice impeached florida retiree had a --- fit when it happened.

#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-07-29 03:36 PM | Reply

As Mitch said, Trump's influence on the Republican minority is on the wane.

#2 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-29 04:07 PM | Reply

17 republicans voted for it?!?

That must be some kind of record.

Newt Gingrich must be rolling around in his grave ...

;-)

#3 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2021-07-29 04:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

President Biden just took Donald Trump to school.

This is how a real President gets the job done.

By now Trump must be burning up the phone lines with obscenities toward Mitch McConnell.

#4 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-29 10:43 PM | Reply

It's about 12 years to late but it looks like my CCC idea is happening after all.

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-29 10:56 PM | Reply

I wonder how much of the trillion dollars actually goes towards infrastructure and how much was pork to ensure a bipartisan outcome?

#6 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 11:01 PM | Reply

I wonder how much of the trillion dollars actually goes towards infrastructure and how much was pork to ensure a bipartisan outcome?

A valid question for the 17 Republicans that voted for it.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-29 11:22 PM | Reply

A valid question for the 17 Republicans that voted for it.

Are you suggesting the Democrats voted for it strictly for partisan reasons?

#8 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 11:25 PM | Reply

Tee hee hee.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 11:27 PM | Reply

This passing is a Big Deal. This is Biden's ARRA, except maybe bigger?

It could make things better enough that voters forget Republicans did this to us. But I doubt it. But that's another thread, and who needs another Climate Change thread?

Coming Soon: Al Gore didn't to enough to stop Climate Change, he would do a January 6 style insurrection if he really loves America.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 11:32 PM | Reply

Are you suggesting the Democrats voted for it strictly for partisan reasons?

Probably. All 50 of them did. You asked why it was bipartisan so I'd suggest asking the 17 Republicans that voted for it what they got out of it.

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-29 11:40 PM | Reply

Is trying to help the vast majority of Americans now considered a partisan act?

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-29 11:42 PM | Reply

REDIAL

"Probably. All 50 of them did. You asked why it was bipartisan so I'd suggest asking the 17 Republicans that voted for it what they got out of it."

Well since their constituents were screaming for the passage of the bill they probably got a guarantee of some much needed, high profile infrastructure work in their own state so they could go back home as conquering heros instead of blockheaded losers.

#13 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-29 11:52 PM | Reply

"You asked why it was bipartisan so I'd suggest asking the 17 Republicans that voted for it what they got out of it."

I'm pretty sure that everyone who voted for it had their fair share of pork in it. Pork for all. That's how American legislation works.

#14 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 11:58 PM | Reply

In the end, one bridge will be built. 871 miles of highway will be built. The other $999,471,443.71 will be spent on pork.

#15 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 12:02 AM | Reply

oops. I missed it by a magnitude of 3. A trillion is such a ------- mind-numbingly huge number it's easy to believe it doesn't exist.

#16 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 12:03 AM | Reply

"I'm pretty sure that everyone who voted for it had their fair share of pork in it. Pork for all. That's how American legislation works."

I'm pretty sure the implicit statement is that the majority of Republicans are bucking the trend, and standing up for a better America, one without (bi-partisan) legislation.

This is so weak. It's sad to have to read it. These Russian bots are giving me the Russian sadness about living in a --------- country like Russia.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-30 12:04 AM | Reply

And yet, Americans cheer it on. "Another trillion? BFD".

#18 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 12:04 AM | Reply

Here's what a trillion dollars looks like with $100 bills:

www.pagetutor.com

#19 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 12:08 AM | Reply

"Americans"

Tee hee hee.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-30 12:11 AM | Reply

"Here's what a trillion dollars looks like with $100 bills:"

Apparently we're supposed to ignore what it means when the U.S. abandoned the gold standard.

We can print currency whenever we want.
We can create currency that doesn't even have to be printed whenever it wants.
Don't you understand what it means to be a world power?

There is about $1.2 trillion dollars of U.S. currency in circulation. (google)
So, what $1.2 trillion dollars looks like, doesn't look like that.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-30 12:16 AM | Reply

In the end, one bridge will be built. 871 miles of highway will be built. The other $999,471,443.71 will be spent on pork.

You'll have to show your math on that one. Or just say "I was full of ---- again".

Your choice.

#22 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-30 12:17 AM | Reply

#19 so what. I suppose you remember Reagan's run against Carter. "Stack of thousand dollar bills 60 miles high"

Then he surpassed it because suddenly deficits don't matter.

Pick a side and stick with it or stfu.

Oh there you go again.

#23 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-07-30 12:23 AM | Reply

A trillion is such a ------- mind-numbingly huge number it's easy to believe it doesn't exist.

US national debt is currently around 24 Trillion, no big deal. It's not like it's ever going to be paid off.

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-30 12:37 AM | Reply

"Pick a side and stick with it or stfu."

Did I ever endorse what Reagan did or said?

Are you trolling or trying to pick a fight, or what, Bruce?

Jesus, dude.

#25 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 12:39 AM | Reply

"You'll have to show your math on that one. "

I have no math to show. But I will not say I am full of ----, much less "again" simply because you do not recognize I am being cynical and sarcastic.

The liberals in this place clearly have a BIG problem with us liberals who do not toe the party line to a T and dare to speak of other truths.

I don't get it. I thought liberalism was about free thinking. At least I was raised to think that.

#26 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 12:42 AM | Reply

"Your choice."

I do not ascribe to false dichotomies, especially from those unable to embrace critical thinking.

#27 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 12:43 AM | Reply

" 24 Trillion, no big deal"

Actually it is a very big deal. What do you think is causing the inflation we are currently experiencing? I don't mean to be condescending when I ask, "do you understand basic economics and the effects of huge debt?", but I do wonder. Inflation is a natural economic outcome of debt.

I don't have the desire to take the time to explain it, but I will be glad to provide some internet links to sources that do if you wish.

#28 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 12:46 AM | Reply

REDIAL

"US national debt is currently around 24 Trillion, no big deal. It's not like it's ever going to be paid off."

No doubt you're right. However, don't forget. When President Biden walks back that tax bonanza (that had no sunset clause) Trump gave to his wealthy BFFs, it might pay down the debt or at least cover the interest.

#29 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-30 12:53 AM | Reply

The buying power of the dollar hasn't kept up with prices since the 70's or 80's and minimum wage rarely increases and when it does it's pennies.

Mean while the rich in America have become vastly more wealthy and have a larger % of the money in America than ever before.

It's no wonder that people no longer are willing to work for minimum wage when they clearly should be paid an honest wage for honest labor.

#30 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-30 12:55 AM | Reply

Actually it is a very big deal.

Good for you. The infrastructure bill is about 4% of that so you can calm down.

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-30 12:57 AM | Reply

"No doubt you're right. "

He's right only if the inflation we are currently experiencing is no big deal to you, Twinpac. It may not be, but for most Americans it is. Think of citizens other than yourself, especially those living on pensions not tied to COLA.

#32 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 12:57 AM | Reply

"so you can calm down."

I don't do condescension.

Good evening, Redial.

#33 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 12:58 AM | Reply

When President Biden walks back that tax bonanza (that had no sunset clause) Trump gave to his wealthy BFFs, it might pay down the debt or at least cover the interest.

TWIN, it's pretty much hopeless. The US deficit is $3 Trillion. You'd have to cut spending by that much or generate more revenue just to break even, much less pay anything back.

#34 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-30 01:05 AM | Reply

REDIAL

I know every president likes to say they're going to cut the national debt in half. I don't think everybody ever really succeeds. And I know when they speak they're projecting over a long period of time.

But tell me, if you recall. How did Bill Clinton do it, even if was just on paper.

#35 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-30 01:26 AM | Reply

But tell me, if you recall. How did Bill Clinton do it, even if was just on paper.

He claimed to have cut the deficit and claimed a surplus. All that means is you are not going farther in debt, but you are still way in debt.

Debt is how much you owe. Deficit means it's getting worse. Surplus means it's getting better. Bubba claimed it was getting better.

A quick look says the US has been continuously in debt since around 1836.

#36 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-30 01:42 AM | Reply

The USA is hopelessly in debt. What's a little more.

#37 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-07-30 08:34 AM | Reply

" The USA is hopelessly in debt."

We had our shot: Clinton left Dubya true surplus budgets, and a ten-year plan to pay off the debt.

Instead, Cheney, Dubya, and the Republicans chose tax cuts, and reset the fiscal sights of the US from Surplusville to Debtsylvania.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-30 09:20 AM | Reply

We had our shot: Clinton left Dubya true surplus budgets, and a ten-year plan to pay off the debt.

Instead, Cheney, Dubya, and the Republicans chose tax cuts, and reset the fiscal sights of the US from Surplusville to Debtsylvania.

#38 | Posted by Danforth

And the Bush/GOP lock on government DOUBLED the budget and more than doubled the debt with their tax cuts, resulting in the systemic deficits we see today.

And, right on cue, when the Trump/GOP lock on government came to power, they more than doubled annual deficits. The same people who screamed "DEFICITS" when Obama was in the WH didn't pay down a nickel of debt.

Hypocrites.

Only stupid people would believe Republicans when they claim to be "pro-life" and stand for "fiscal responsibility."

#39 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-30 09:58 AM | Reply

We had our shot: Clinton left Dubya true surplus budgets, and a ten-year plan to pay off the debt.

#38 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2021-07-30 09:20 AM | FLAG:

Moltke has an opinion about planning.

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-07-30 12:07 PM | Reply

What's a little more.

#37 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Just a little more will take us to FDR country.

THAT's what a little more means to the Democrats.

Not sure what it means to Republicans. Maybe they get to live to fight another day? Because it ain't looking so good for the future of the Teapublicans and the Insurrection Party.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-07-30 12:16 PM | Reply

"Moltke has an opinion about planning."

It wasn't the towers that reset the fiscal sights. That would be Cheney, his puppet, and the Republicans.

And the sights were reset before 9/11.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-30 12:29 PM | Reply

It's not like it's ever going to be paid off.
#24 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Why would it be? It's paying interest in peoples' savings accounts. National debt = T-Bills and Savings Bonds. People buy them because they are the safest investments there currently are. If the national debt were eliminated, where else could money be invested that safely?

#43 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-07-30 05:15 PM | Reply

Good for you. The infrastructure bill is about 4% of that so you can calm down.

#31 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Any deal is a big these days for Biden and the Dems.

Just saying. Breaking the partisan deadlock may not bode well for Teapublicans. (2022 is a coming!) It might just help people that really need help and prove that the government of the people still works. And for some reason this makes Teapublicans look bad? Which is why they have resisted any deals for so long (well except tax breaks for the wealthy which weren't paid for but who's counting?) .

And I will believe it when I see it actually pass anyway.

#44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-07-30 05:19 PM | Reply

#42 but still fixable after them, minus the bi-partisan major wars.

#45 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-07-31 07:57 AM | Reply

Instead all we get is promises of magic multipliers for government spending. Put in $1 get $1.50!

Pay no attention to the fact the taxes to pay for that $1 aren't included in the models.

#46 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-07-31 07:58 AM | Reply

Ahh yes Donner. You see Biden is on his way to being FDR. All he had to do was listen to the craziest wing of his party and go all in with the $6 trillion.

At least there's still enough adults running this party that it's only blowing $1 trillion we don't have.

#47 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-07-31 08:02 AM | Reply

" At least there's still enough adults running this party that it's only blowing $1 trillion we don't have."

Repealing the Trump Code tax giveaways would save whatever's left of the $2.3 Trillion.

And not a single Republican ever questioned back then if we "had" that money. Nor did they demand a single offset.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-31 09:08 AM | Reply

#47
Still?
Again.

Fiscal responsibility has a clear liberal bias.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-31 09:27 AM | Reply

Everyone's on the debt bandwagon now huh?

"The best way to reduce the deficit is to increase tax revenue."

-Cyril Figgis I.S.I.S. Comptroller

#50 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2021-07-31 02:57 PM | Reply

"Everyone's on the debt bandwagon now huh?"

Muslims still aren't.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-31 03:11 PM | Reply

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