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Thursday, July 29, 2021

The chief judge in DC's federal court questioned the Justice Department's decision to offer misdemeanor plea deals to nonviolent US Capitol rioters, saying at a hearing Thursday that the relatively light punishment might not be enough to deter similar attacks in the future.

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I feel sure that the judge also realizes that this type of insurrection could also arise in a Federal Court. I totally agree her that misdemeanor charges are totally inappropriate. If invading our Capital, especially as they are certifying an election should be a felony with years of prison time. It was an attempted coup, in most nations the perps would already be dead. When our Founding Fathers began the Revolutionary war they understood from the beginning that their lives were at risk if we lost. That was what was so heroic about what they did, these insurrectionists should have face the exact same consequences and any future insurrectionists that attempt to overthrow election results should understand that is the penalty for that crime.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2021-07-29 07:39 PM | Reply

If they went into the building they should be burned at the stake.

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-29 08:23 PM | Reply

TOR

"If they went into the building they should be burned at the stake."

Too gruesome is why we don't use the guillotine any more either. Plus can you imagine how Donald Trump would have abused that kind of authority when he was president?

Whew! I don't even want to think about it. There absolutely must be some guardrails against a retaliatory abuse of power for political purposes.

But I do agree with the judge. A misdemeanor is a slap on the wrist. Punishment has to hurt. Anybody who went past the police barriers or disobeyed a police order, or wielded a weapon, whether they went into the building or not, should be considered at least a supporter of the intent of the insurrection and punished as severely as the law allows. Prison can have a sobering affect on future bad judgments.

#4 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-29 10:21 PM | Reply

"Danni, it's almost like you compared the insurrectionists to the founding fathers."

The Founding Fathers did not reject the rule of law, they just didn't think taxation without representation should be the law.
The Insurrectionists lost a fair election, as decided by several courts, but then when they realized they had really lost invaded our Capital with the intent on killing the Speaker of the House and the Vice President so as to prevent certification of the election.
That is why it was so important for our Congress to meet in the evening of the insurrection so as to make their certification completely bulletproof Constitutionally because there is a specific date for them to certify it and they made sure that date was observed.
What really happened, even with the complicity of the Executive Branch those losers still couldn't pull it off, they failed entirely and miserably. When Congress met that night and certified the election results it was salt in their wounds. It was a real victory for democracy even despite the active actions of the Executive Branch (The President and Sec. of Def.).
I give Nancy Pelosi and probably some others in Congress credit for saving democracy that night. That was a true profile in courage moment. Books will be written about that moment in history. Haters will never credit Pelosi but history will.
I remember that night very clearly and the fact that our Congress was already back to work doing the nation's business was a very hopeful moment for our nation.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2021-07-29 10:24 PM | Reply

"I still can't believe they didn't open fire on them."

Well, they did open fire on one of them...

But I get what you are saying. I can only assume you get that opening up on even a violent mob on the steps of your nation's legislative body has a bit of a despotic regime feel to it.

Nobody talks about this any more, to my limited knowledge I'm the only DR poster who brings it up, but it probably would have played out differently if the pipe bombs at the DNC and RNC headquarters hadn't been caught by a security sweep.

Very, very differently.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 10:32 PM | Reply

America is not taking 1/6 seriously enough.

I told ya so.

truth hurts

#7 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-07-29 10:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

-------, Taylor-Greene, that --------- who gave the insurrectionists a high fist and a bunch of others should have been dragged out and thrown in jail the night of 1/6.

If you don't poison black mold it comes back stronger than ever.

Dems are wimps

But, hey we got a whole news cycle about the covid relief package. That'll show em

#8 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-07-29 10:36 PM | Reply

Truthhurts is telling you the truth, we are not taking this seriously enough at all. This is like the moment that the Soviet Union collapsed. This is America's moment to either succeed or fail. We need for our gorenment to act strongly and fairly but not shy away from punishing insurrectionists. We need to convince them that they never want to try something like this again and if they do hangman's nooses will await them. Ok, grant them mercy this time, only imprison them for a minimum of a decade but if there is another episode ever, let them know capital punishment will await them. We are talking about the rule of law, if we ever lose that, we lose everything.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2021-07-29 10:59 PM | Reply

I think it would be impossible for the Capitol Police to stop the rioters with only handguns. Military assault rifles perhaps but certainly not handguns. They would have signed their own death warrant had they tried.

So let's direct our anger where it really belongs.

Stopping the rioters was a job for the National Guard which, it is commonly believed, was delayed from responding at the request of Donald Trump. In fact that's one of the matters that the House Select Committee is going to investigate and refer to the DOJ so it can added to the list of federal charges they already have against Trump.

If anybody thinks "America" is not taking 1/6 seriously enough, try thinking ahead.

What we really want is the head of the snake.

#10 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-29 11:38 PM | Reply

"Too gruesome is why we don't use the guillotine any more either."

....fine.

Firing squad?

#11 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-29 11:50 PM | Reply

TOR

"Firing squad?"

Naw, still no good. Kangaroo courts for political enemies and all that stuff.

#12 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-30 12:36 AM | Reply

If anybody thinks "America" is not taking 1/6 seriously enough, try thinking ahead.
What we really want is the head of the snake.
#10 | POSTED BY TWINPAC AT 2021-07-29 11:38 PM |

I hope that's what's going on behind the scenes. They need to be grilling the most violent offenders and telling them if they want to see the outside of prison again they better start talking.

And I think anyone who entered the Capitol on that day needs to have a felony on their record. That way they will no longer be able to legally possess a firearm...a right they forfeited when they decided rule of law no longer mattered. These are the people who can't be trusted with a gun.

#13 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-30 12:45 AM | Reply

That way they will no longer be able to legally possess a firearm...

I find it odd that seems to be the ultimate punishment.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-30 12:50 AM | Reply

SCOTTE

I know you meant well but the word "legally" is immaterial to these inkblots on society.

#15 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-30 01:00 AM | Reply

"Naw, still no good. Kangaroo courts for political enemies and all that stuff."

Kangaroo Courts???

How many different camera's captured their attempt to murder congress and pence?

#16 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-30 01:01 AM | Reply

Need to bring back "old sparky" and televise the execution of the domestic terrorists. If some troglodyte wants to martyr him or herself then so be it.

#17 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-07-30 01:04 AM | Reply

"Need to bring back "old sparky" and televise the execution of the domestic terrorists."

Civilized societies do not engage in capital punishment, much less make it a public spectacle.

#18 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 01:07 AM | Reply

@ JAKESTER

Japan is pretty civilized.

Pretty much any country with armed law enforcement or any sort of a military is more than willing to engage in capital punishment.

#19 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-30 01:10 AM | Reply

#19 - It is incongruous for a society to make laws against killing while killing its own citizens.

#20 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 01:11 AM | Reply

#20

Why should I be forced to pay for their food medicine and housing the rest of their lives?

These aren't some teenage minority who possibly got railroaded we've got every kind of evidence they're guilty of attempting mass murder.

#21 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-30 01:15 AM | Reply

"Why should I be forced to pay for their food medicine and housing the rest of their lives?"

Because a society that is not consistent with its application of laws is not a stable society. One cannot make laws against killing while making laws enabling it. It is inconsistent.

#22 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 01:18 AM | Reply

On what grounds does my pocket get picked when they've done wrong?

#23 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-30 01:25 AM | Reply

I find it odd that seems to be the ultimate punishment.

#14 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2021-07-30 12:50 AM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

That's not the ultimate punishment. That's something additional which wouldn't necessarily happen under a misdemeanor conviction (the topic of the article)
They would be barred from possessing a firearm after they finish serving their sentence.

#24 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-30 01:40 AM | Reply

I know you meant well but the word "legally" is immaterial to these inkblots on society.

#15 | POSTED BY TWINPAC AT 2021-07-30 01:00 AM | REPLY |

No doubt. They've shown they have no respect for the law, but a convicted felon in possession of a firearm is looking at up to 10 years.

#25 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-30 01:48 AM | Reply

Actually, TOR, it costs more to execute someone at the taxpayers' expense, what with lengthy appeals, years on death row and such, than it does to house and feed them.

That's how everyone's pocket gets picked. Through your taxes.

I agree that there are cases that are justified (Ted Bundy for example) but this is not one of those cases. Had they succeeded in killing Pence or Pelosi, then we could make a different argument.

#26 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-30 01:52 AM | Reply

It didn't take to long to execute McVeigh.

Sounds like the appeals process needs to be reformed but that doesn't justify my having to support people we know are guilty.

#27 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-30 01:56 AM | Reply

"I agree that there are cases that are justified "

State sanctioned taking of a human life can never be justified in a society that calls itself civilized. People who believe otherwise are not civilized themselves. They are bloodthirsty savages.

#28 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 01:56 AM | Reply

"It didn't take to long to execute McVeigh."

That is because he shunned his appeals and asked to be executed as quickly as legally possible. Otherwise, he would most likely be living today.

#29 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 01:58 AM | Reply

TOR

I apologize for not making myself clear.

When I said "Kangaroo Courts" I was talking about the abuse of power by dictator types who would use that as a convenient means to eliminate their political enemies.

I wasn't talking about the insurrectionists.

It's the future copycats (like Trump) on the horizon that we have to guard against.

#30 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-30 02:07 AM | Reply

TOR @ 27

"Sounds like the appeals process needs to be reformed but that doesn't justify my having to support people we know are guilty."

There's a case that could be made, too. But there were a lot of sob-sisters out there who wanted to save Ted Bundy. One of them actually married the guy.

As for you "paying to house and feed," it's not like you're doing it all by yourself. The pinch is spread very thin. I doubt you even felt it.

And yes, I know. It's the principle not the money. But we can't save the country from all the injustices.

That's why we come here, to vent about them.

#31 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-30 02:26 AM | Reply

I don't care if I'm losing a Wooden Nickel in my lifetime it's not theirs they've done nothing to earn it.

#32 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-30 06:34 AM | Reply

Just for the sake of the conversation, TOR, who do you think should pay for prisons?

#33 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-30 06:43 AM | Reply

They all should be given lifetime bans against owning any firearms, as well as a lifetime ban against visiting D.C. again. They've already taken their "tour"...

#34 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-07-30 04:43 PM | Reply

EARTHMUSE

As convicted felons, I think a 5 to 10 year prison term for an attitude adjustment would accomplish everything you named plus prevent them from performing any further service to Trump's spiteful scorched earth retaliatory efforts to destroy democracy.

Let it serve as a lesson to them all.

#35 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-30 05:25 PM | Reply

"Just for the sake of the conversation, TOR, who do you think should pay for prisons?"

I'm generally in favor of all of us paying a small amount for prisons.

I'm also hesitant to apply the death penalty because of the remote chance the accused are innocent.

This is not a normal crime though.

#36 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-30 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'd say treason is the only legitimate use of the death penalty.

Trying to kill civilization itself earns you an early exit.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-30 07:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This is not a normal crime though."

What exactly is a normal crime?

#38 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-30 08:17 PM | Reply

TOR

I'm glad to see we finally agree on everything. You're made me a happy camper. You're one of my favs on this site and I hate it when we disagree on something.

I had not thought of treason before you mentioned it but I do agree. I don't know if Trump actually committed treason or not because that's usually a term limited to acts during a time of war. It would certainly be a an interesting test case though if it ever comes about.
Something to look forward to.

#39 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-30 08:23 PM | Reply

What exactly is a normal crime?

#38 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

He is right you know. There are criminals and then there are traitors who also commit crimes in their attempts to overthrow the government.

Sedition is not a normal crime.

A "normal crime" is one that does not endanger this country's very well being, it's government and especially the peaceful transfer of power.

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-07-31 12:32 PM | Reply

"A "normal crime" is one that does not endanger this country's very well being, it's government and especially the peaceful transfer of power."

Is that an arbitrary definition? I mean, child molestation is a normal crime. Eating people ala Dahmer is a normal crime?

My point is that crime isn't normal.

#41 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-31 01:09 PM | Reply

"My point is that crime isn't normal."

Some crimes are so normal we have special courts for them and don't consider them as disqualifying events on a background check.

I'm talking about minor traffic violations.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-31 01:16 PM | Reply

The real problem with the Federal government is clearly they don't make examples out of enough people. Who needs progressive police reform pushing rehabilitation anyways? What a stupid concept pushed by utopian radicals that are probably communists.

#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-07-31 01:46 PM | Reply

"The real problem with the Federal government is clearly they don't make examples out of enough people."

Yeah!

Uncle Sam should be more like Chairman Mao!

Are you still parading around as a Democrat, Sitzkrieg?

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-31 01:50 PM | Reply

One of the few left apparently. I'm willing to abandon it though. Who needs decades of incremental reform when we can get old testament on some white people?

#45 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-07-31 04:59 PM | Reply

Did you cry when Timothy McVeigh rode the lightning?

#46 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-31 06:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I see where you're coming from Tor. You're right, an idiot cosplaying with a bear hat is exactly like a guy that bombed a federal building. Fry them both.

#47 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-07-31 06:48 PM | Reply

"Cosplaying"

He's transgender?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-31 06:51 PM | Reply

Fool with the bear hat would have killed hundreds if he got the chance.

#49 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-01 12:41 AM | Reply

He would have prevented the peaceful transition of power if he got the chance.

Oh, right, he already did that. Just not for very long.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-01 12:45 AM | Reply

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