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Apoorva Mandavilli: Infections in vaccinated Americans also may be as transmissible as those in unvaccinated people, the document said, and lead more often to severe illness.

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The anti-vax moms in the neighborhood can all get together and have a Covid party, like they did in earlier years, to get all their kids infected with chickenpox. Serve drinks, brie with crackers and watch that dreamy Hugh Laurie on "House". And in a couple of weeks, the first attendee to be admitted to the ER wins Covid bingo. Their prize is the nicest little wake after their funeral...

#1 | Posted by catdog at 2021-07-30 09:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

virological.org

Viral loads in delta-infected individuals are ~1,000x higher than previous strains.

1,000X!

A one log change is a great result in the lab. A three log change is a dream phenotype that's got a high likelihood of a high impact paper if you can nail down why.

But this is in the real world. In people. Not a dish.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-30 10:38 AM | Reply

How soon can we get a third dose? That's my biggest question.

Have you heard any inside intel JPW?

#3 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-30 11:41 AM | Reply

The trend is not our friend here.
This data and other reports are most concerning.
I defer to the smartest people here, but I would not be surprised with another lockdown.

#4 | Posted by Docman at 2021-07-30 12:32 PM | Reply

Have you heard any inside intel JPW?

#3 | POSTED BY BOCAINK

Not the circles I run in, unfortunately.

I'm betting they're making delta-specific boosters as we speak. May even have them in trials for all I know as it's an obvious target that's coming down the pipe.

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-30 01:19 PM | Reply

www.cnbc.com

Wheels are turning.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-30 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I'm betting they're making delta-specific boosters as we speak"

I suspect that many who willingly went out and got both of the vaccine shots are starting to get a bit weary and skeptical of this. The delta variant is more contagious, but we haven't seen any evidence that it's deadlier, especially to those who have already been vaccinated.

#7 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-30 01:56 PM | Reply

The delta variant is more contagious, but we haven't seen any evidence that it's deadlier, especially to those who have already been vaccinated.

#7 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I'm willing to bet most of us who were diligent and conscientious of COVID expected boosters to be coming. I don't think we've hit that point yet.

In any case, there's more to it than lethality. Please stop propagating that poor line of thought.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-30 02:04 PM | Reply

I'm betting they're making delta-specific boosters as we speak

I listened to an interview with one of the scientists who developed the mRNA vaccine for COVID.

He explained that updating mRNA vaccines is as simple as pasting the shape of protein spikes from new variants into current formulas, like PhotoShop, and the immune system will then recognize that variant as well. Pretty neat science.

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-30 02:06 PM | Reply

Though we're still learning about the DELTA variant:

"There is some indication that the Delta variant may also result in more severe disease. A study in Scotland, published in the Lancet, found the hospitalization rate of patients with that variant was about 85 percent higher than that of people with the Alpha variant. "

www.scientificamerican.com

And:
Last week, the University of Utah School of Medicine hosted a Facebook Live about the Delta variant of COVID-19. The Delta variant is more contagious and more severe than other strains of the virus. It's easier to spread to other people.

#10 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-30 02:19 PM | Reply

"I'm willing to bet most of us who were diligent and conscientious of COVID expected boosters to be coming. I don't think we've hit that point yet."

Yes, but if we do hit the point where people are expected to get annual "boosters", the perception of it having become "just like the flu" will go far more mainstream.

"In any case, there's more to it than lethality. Please stop propagating that poor line of thought."

We've been told that the most popular vaccines in the U.S. are "highly effective" in preventing serious illness and hospitalizations, as well as deaths, including against the delta variant. There is likely a mindset already out there among the vaccinated, especially those whose family and friends are also vaccinated, that they're well enough protected and "screw the unvaxxed".

#11 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-30 02:27 PM | Reply

the perception of it having become "just like the flu" will go far more mainstream.

#11 | Posted by sentinel

As if your cult leader and all his propagandists haven't already been spreading that fallacy for a year and half.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-30 02:33 PM | Reply

#10
FTA:

[The delta variant] poses a threat to unvaccinated and partially vaccinated people

and
Fortunately, vaccination appears to provide good protection against Delta"although one dose seems to offer less protection than it did against other variants. A preprint study by Public Health England found that two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine were 96 percent and 92 percent effective, respectively, at preventing hospitalization in people infected with Delta. That result is comparable to the level of protection seen against other variants.

#13 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-30 02:34 PM | Reply

Yes, but if we do hit the point where people are expected to get annual "boosters", the perception of it having become "just like the flu" will go far more mainstream.

At that point it probably will be more akin to influenza given the level of immunity present in the population.

We've been told that the most popular vaccines in the U.S. are "highly effective" in preventing serious illness and hospitalizations, as well as deaths, including against the delta variant.

But even mild symptomatic cases are showing long term issues in significant proportions of patients.

That's my point.

As of yet we don't know if mild delta in a vaccinated individual has the same percent chance of long term damage. I don't see a reason to suspect, at this point, that it will have a significantly lower percentage.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-30 02:37 PM | Reply

There is likely a mindset already out there among the vaccinated, especially those whose family and friends are also vaccinated, that they're well enough protected and "screw the unvaxxed".

#11 | Posted by sentinel

I'm fully vaccinated. I have protection but still need to protect myself from the unvaccinated and exercise the same mitigation measures I've taken since this started. Like wearing a mask in public spaces. Because so many won't get vaxed (or even wear a mask) it's all on me to keep myself COVID free. I do not want to catch COVID.

"Screw the unvaxxed" is somewhat applicable. What can anyone do? They don't care about themselves or others. If only there were a shot to make people unselfish and reasonable.

As Alabama Gov. Evers said about the unvaccinated, who are spreading COVID and causing another serious surge, "No one can force you to take care of yourself."

#15 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-30 02:38 PM | Reply

But even mild symptomatic cases are showing long term issues in significant proportions of patients.

Good point to raise, JPW.

Blood vessels, organ damage, joint damage, compromised immune systems, etc.

The list of long term symptoms continues to grow ...

One guy I've worked in the studios with for years got COVID last year. His long haul symptoms include debilitating fatigue, he still can't walk to the end of the block, and has acute joint pain.

#16 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-30 02:42 PM | Reply

[The delta variant] poses a threat to unvaccinated and partially vaccinated people

It does, but the threat of serious illness and hospitalization in the vaccinated is a fraction of that for the unvaccinated.

BTW, the Nashville right wing radio show host who mocked vaccines was put on a ventilator Wednesday night. Even with supplemental oxygen his body wouldn't maintain sufficient oxygen levels. Once you're on a vent, your chances of walking out of the hospital are slim.

Now, his brother is begging people to get vaccinated. Expect a lot more stories like Phil Valentine's. There are new accounts in the news every single day of patients or family members who now say, "if only he'd/I'd been vaccinated." Too late by then.

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-30 02:47 PM | Reply

SENTINEL

If you're one of those people who just won't get vaccinated nothing will get through to you until you or someone you care about is seriously ill or dies from COVID. Getting vaccinated is much better than rolling the dice with your health and that of your loved ones.

You've read about people who won't get vaxed and regret it (if they're still breathing). You know getting vaxed greatly diminishes the likelihood of serious illness or death.

If you are vaxed, well good for you for doing the sensible thing. If you aren't vaxed, well, if we no longer see you posting we'll guess that attitude caught up with you. And it will. Eventually. You can tell WISGOD we said, "told you so."

#18 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-30 02:53 PM | Reply

"Now, his brother is begging people to get vaccinated. Expect a lot more stories like Phil Valentine's. There are new accounts in the news every single day of patients or family members who now say, "if only he'd/I'd been vaccinated." Too late by then."

Yes, but what does that have to do with already vaccinated people who are skeptical about getting a booster anytime soon? Severe breakthrough infections remain "very rare".

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-30 02:56 PM | Reply

"If you are vaxed, well good for you for doing the sensible thing."

I am, actually.

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-30 02:57 PM | Reply

Glad to hear it :-)

#21 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-30 02:58 PM | Reply

Yes, but what does that have to do with already vaccinated people who are skeptical about getting a booster anytime soon? Severe breakthrough infections remain "very rare".

#19 | Posted by sentinel

I haven't read or heard of anyone who's skeptical about getting a booster shot.

Just the vaccine hesitant/refuseniks

#22 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-30 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

already vaccinated people who are skeptical about getting a booster anytime soon?

What, all three of them?

You argue really weird ----.

#23 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-30 03:18 PM | Reply

Pfizer makes case for booster dose of COVID-19 shot, but US officials skeptical.

"That really reflects the power of these vaccines, and the fact that they are very durable," Amesh Adalja of Johns Hopkins School of Public Health said. "So I don't think for the general population, in the short run, boosters are going to be necessary."

Adalja added the booster shot isn't immediately necessary because fully vaccinated people have shown strong immunity to COVID-19 variants. More than 99% of new COVID-19 deaths are unvaccinated cases.

www.newsnationnow.com

#24 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-30 03:36 PM | Reply

OK. Just as I think it turned out the CDC was wrong when they changed mask guidance for vaccinated individuals I think this will turn out to be wrong too.

The thing with public health is you have to measure prudence with action. You can't just say "we need boosters now!" when you don't have a clear, data drive need that's obvious, even if the data is pointing in that direction. It's as much art as science on the policy side.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-30 04:09 PM | Reply

We weren't even able to get vaccinated until March, and we were among the first to sign up once they became available to our age group.

I'm no scientist, but logic dictates that we can't know how long they're effective we're further down the road.

#26 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-30 04:50 PM | Reply

If boosters are recommended I'll get my shot when they roll them out. Little point in arguing about it now.

#27 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-30 04:53 PM | Reply

CDC posted another article saying it doesn't matter if your vaccinated or not your gonna wind up being a carrier. The purpose of the face covering is to contain the spread. The vaccine works but they not sure if it works on delta variant. And not sure if your even protected after the shots.

#28 | Posted by Penguinhead at 2021-08-01 06:18 AM | Reply

#28 All these people who say they have a strong immune system? That just means they're a carrier.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-01 10:13 AM | Reply

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