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Monday, August 02, 2021

[P]lenty of ... people I know grew up believing a story about the past that is so patently false it's breathtaking. How could anyone look at the facts of what happened in the South before, during, and after the Civil War and conclude that white Southerners had fought on the side of honor, that slavery wasn't really all that bad?

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Many of my fellow white Southerners are deeply, dangerously wrong about matters of history that by now should be abundantly, self-evidently clear ... How is it even possible for a war story to be burnished to such a sheen that nothing remains of the filth and blood and deceptions, or the true reasons for that war?

Let's consider the matter of Confederate monuments. The men these statues represent - Robert E. Lee, Nathan Bedford Forrest, Stonewall Jackson, Jefferson Davis, among others - were traitors. They betrayed their own country because they wanted to live in a place where it was still legal for white people to own Black people.

But that isn't the history that monument supporters mean when they scream, "History, not hate." Their "history" is a myth, an imagined story of valor and honor and benevolence toward enslaved people. Ratified by friends and neighbors whose families taught them the same version of the past, the myth of the Lost Cause carries the whiff of ancient wisdom, never mind that it is wholly false.

For decades even public education here avoided the truth. More or less universally in the South of my youth, lessons about the Civil War focused on battles fought and won, not on the lives of the enslaved people over whom the country was fighting.

I expect many to reflexively file this argument under the umbrella of CRT. Amirite?

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-08-02 09:37 AM | Reply

I suspect their shame and humiliation morphed over the decades to anger towards the victors and then white washing of the facts so they could claim their ancestors were honorable and the actual victims.

Slavery is horrible, but going to war to defend it is worse.

#2 | Posted by bored at 2021-08-02 01:01 PM | Reply

Pretty sure a lot of folks in the South know the truth. They just can't vote.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-08-02 04:40 PM | Reply

And then there are those who know the truth and choose to ignore it.

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-08-02 05:14 PM | Reply

Can we start by having them see a classic musical about the south?

(by the cohen brothers)

www.youtube.com

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-02 05:15 PM | Reply

A classical musical about the South?
Well, there's always "Song of the South."
Y'know:
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
My, oh, my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine headin' my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay!

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-08-02 05:22 PM | Reply

Disney would prefer that utter borefest be forgotten.

I'm thinking of "Oh Brother where art though?"

It's got chain gangs, klansmen, racist politicians, miscegenation, integration, shenanigans, and music.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-02 05:32 PM | Reply

Aren't conservatives changing history books so slavery was like a summer internship.

Great work opportunities and a change of scenery. Food and board covered. Plenty for exercise.

Here's an article: www.nytimes.com

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-08-02 05:58 PM | Reply

Slavery is overblown to people who think that overthrowing the duly elected President was just a fun picnic. Or that a Democratic Plandemic has killed millions of crisis actors around the world.

When FB is considered your main news source, and you "think" that long-time professional news orgs are all controlled by China, or worse, Democrats, then you can play down the effects of your bad choices as, "not real" or fake news.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2021-08-02 06:11 PM | Reply

Good luck with that.

Seems they would rather tear America apart.

Again.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-08-02 07:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's got chain gangs, klansmen, racist politicians, miscegenation, integration, shenanigans, and music.
#7 | POSTED BY TOR

And Good music, too!

All very well represented. But not by Disney.

An excellent movie. Done well. Of course it was good it had George Clooney!

Loved them foggy bottom boys!

Constant Sorrow. I know it well.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-08-02 08:28 PM | Reply

"All very well represented. But not by Disney."

Actually both films are now owned by Disney.

The mouse owns seemingly everything entertaining....and some things boring.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-02 08:43 PM | Reply

People are stupid and rely on the dumbest ideas for an identity. Sports fans, religious zealots, dumb cultures, ... the worst are people who celebrate where they were randomly born. We are all human, anything that divides us is stupid.

#13 | Posted by Brennnn at 2021-08-02 09:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The truth was democrats with slavery, Jim Crow, KKK and more.

#14 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-08-03 12:00 AM | Reply

#14 - Idiot.

#15 | Posted by YAV at 2021-08-03 09:13 AM | Reply

The truth was democrats with slavery, Jim Crow, KKK and more.

And this matters, why? Don't you think everyone already knows this? Unlike siloed Republican lizard creatures like yourself, political affiliations mean nothing when the issues are ones of right versus wrong - justice versus injustice.

Grow up.

#16 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-08-03 09:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The truth was democrats with slavery, Jim Crow, KKK and more.

#14 | POSTED BY MSGT

That was then and this is now.

And now the sad truth is Republicans supported an insurrection and an attack on our own capital and they continue to support and cover for a fascist white nationalist who has committed crimes against the state and tried to overthrow his own frickin government.

The truth is you should probably GFY.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-08-03 10:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Forget it.
South is generations away from joining the 20th century.

#18 | Posted by Docman at 2021-08-03 11:24 AM | Reply

"The truth was democrats with slavery, Jim Crow, KKK and more."

The truth is Democrats then adopted Civil Rights in the 1950s, and Republicans stuck with Jim Crow.

And that's how Strom Thurmond went from being a Democrat to a Republican.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-03 12:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#15 | Posted by YAV

That isn't even newsworthy.

#20 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-08-03 01:16 PM | Reply

I'll try harder.

#21 | Posted by YAV at 2021-08-03 03:12 PM | Reply

The truth was democrats with slavery, Jim Crow, KKK and more.

#14 | POSTED BY MSGT

The truth is people who say this are shallow idiots.

Because the rest of the truth is those Democrats became Republicans in what's called the Southern Strategy.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-03 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I expect many to reflexively file this argument under the umbrella of CRT. Amirite?"

Can't read the full article because of the paywall, but why do many reflexively react to anti-"CRT" laws with arguments about teaching the truth about history, when the said laws do not restrict that? Southern children can be taught the truth about history without being made feel they have personal responsibility for it based on their racial or ethnic heritage.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-08-03 04:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You get a very Americanized version of history until you hit college. There was a Texas history thread awhile back and was only surprising to people that didn't take the required Texas History 1.

#24 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-04 07:58 AM | Reply

#24 We teach that the Puritans were a pious, persecuted religious minority seeking religious freedom.

They were extremist maniacs who assassinated the King and waged a War on Christmas.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-04 09:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Southern children can be taught the truth about history without being made feel they have personal responsibility for it based on their racial or ethnic heritage."

Americans aren't personally responsible for American history? We don't own our own history?

Who then?

Why deny children a sense of agency?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-04 09:22 AM | Reply

Nobody owns history. Nobody is responsible for history created by other people, particularly before they were even born. This does not deny anyone a sense of agency.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-08-04 09:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Slavery was horrible but forcing young white men who were poor and who never owned a single slave to go fight a brutal war to insure the privelege of a few white men was even worse. And that is exactly what the stupid white men of the South allowed to happen to them, not much different that stupid white men who live in red states today.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2021-08-04 09:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Nobody owns history."

So then you won't mind if Germans borrow an ancient symbol and re-purpose it.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-04 09:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"but forcing young white men who were poor and who never owned a single slave to go fight a brutal war to insure the privelege of a few white men was even worse."

It was an easy sell. The South relied on State loyalty.

"Are you loyal to Virginia or not"?

Hell, that argument worked on Robert E Lee and the generals who had already swore an oath to their country.

In the end, loyalty to their State trumped loyalty to their country.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2021-08-04 09:59 AM | Reply

"So then you won't mind if Germans borrow an ancient symbol and re-purpose it."

Nice non-sequitur.

#31 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-08-04 10:15 AM | Reply

In the end, loyalty to their State trumped loyalty to their country.
#30 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Loyalty to slavery.

The State is just the political apparatus by which the moral propriety of slavery was made manifest.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-04 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not weird enough. The Adjutant General of the Confederate Army, Samuel Cooper, was a New Yorker. He was also the Adjutant General of the United States Army before that. He married the daughter of a Virginian general. He wasn't loyalty to slavery, he was loyal to the poontag.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-04 01:47 PM | Reply

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