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Monday, August 02, 2021

Mona Charen: About six weeks ago, I wrote a piece urging that the United States take the lead in vaccinating the world. The case for doing so is even more compelling now.

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The world? We can't even vaccinate our own country.

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2021-08-02 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Do you all know where the word "vaccine" comes from?

#2 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-08-02 01:19 PM | Reply

#1,

Those of us who voluntarily accept vaccinations have been vaccinated. Some of those who dont do it on their own will have to be convinced to be vaccinated. See, we have this little thing here in the U.S. called "Freedom of choice".

"We cannot even vaccine our own country" is so "I hate American freedoms I cant control". What you should have said is "We cant force everyone in the U.S. to vaccinate.". That's more accurate.

#3 | Posted by boaz at 2021-08-02 01:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#1,
Those of us who voluntarily accept vaccinations have been vaccinated. Some of those who dont do it on their own will have to be convinced to be vaccinated. See, we have this little thing here in the U.S. called "Freedom of choice".
"We cannot even vaccine our own country" is so "I hate American freedoms I cant control". What you should have said is "We cant force everyone in the U.S. to vaccinate.". That's more accurate.

#3 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 20

Christ, you are a simpleton.

There are limits on freedom.

Ex. you supposedly have a right to bear arms. But that does not give you the right to walk into a crowded space and just start shooting your gun.

"Freedom of choice" (not really meaning what you think it does) does not permit you to go around shooting deadly viruses out of your nose or mouth infecting and killing people. Thus a reasonable justification for requiring people get vaccinated.

#4 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-08-02 01:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

boaz is pro-choice now?

#5 | Posted by qcp at 2021-08-02 01:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

But that does not give you the right to walk into a crowded space and just start shooting your gun.

No, that would be a crime. Idiot.

#6 | Posted by boaz at 2021-08-02 02:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Freedom of choice" (not really meaning what you think it does)

LOL. Here we go, liberals trying to define something to fit their ideology.

I know what freedom of choice means. And no, I dont need to explain it to you, the constitution does that fine.

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2021-08-02 02:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You're the ------- idiot. If you have Covid and no symptoms and walk around without a mask because of "freedumbs" you're no better than the example. But again, you are too ------- stupid to understand anything.

#8 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-08-02 02:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

boaz is pro-choice now?

Only up until three months. If you havent figured out whether to have the HUMAN in your body by then, well...

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2021-08-02 02:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Start with Mexico and our Neighbors in the Atlantic.

If Cubans want what we have they have to come to our embassies entrance or GITMO.

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-02 02:13 PM | Reply

"Only up until three months. If you havent figured out whether to have the HUMAN in your body by then, well..."

The un-vaxed have all had more than 3 months to make the right choice. If they still can't figure out what they do affects the HUMANS that are forced to deal with them then, well...

#11 | Posted by qcp at 2021-08-02 02:41 PM | Reply

"See, we have this little thing here in the U.S. called "Freedom of choice"

Do we have any responsibilities that go hand in hand with our freedoms?

Asking for the Party of Personal Responsibility.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-02 02:48 PM | Reply

if you are vaxe'd you won't get the bug nunless you are the .01% then there is nothing to save you.

#13 | Posted by Sniper at 2021-08-02 03:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Do we have any responsibilities that go hand in hand with our freedoms?

No.

#14 | Posted by boaz at 2021-08-02 03:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Freedom makes a huge requirement of every human being. With freedom comes responsibility. --Eleanor Roosevelt.

Nah. --Boaz

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-02 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do we have any responsibilities that go hand in hand with our freedoms?
No.

#14 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Then you're talking about selfishness, not freedom.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-02 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Do we have any responsibilities that go hand in hand with our freedoms?
No.

#14 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Try not paying your taxes and see how far that argument gets you.

You really are a simpleton.

#17 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-08-02 05:02 PM | Reply

boaz is pro-choice now?
Only up until three months. If you havent figured out whether to have the HUMAN in your body by then, well...

#9 | POSTED BY BOAZ

is the same guy who answered thusly

Do we have any responsibilities that go hand in hand with our freedoms?
No.

#14 | POSTED BY BOAZ

you really are a simpleton

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-08-02 05:04 PM | Reply

But that does not give you the right to walk into a crowded space and just start shooting your gun.
No, that would be a crime. Idiot.

#6 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Which is a limitation of your rights.

Same way you can't simply say whatever you want about somebody without being free for lawsuit for slander or libel.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-02 06:00 PM | Reply

But that does not give you the right to walk into a crowded space and just start shooting your gun.
No, that would be a crime. Idiot.
#6 | POSTED BY BOAZ

The right to bear arms does not carry with it the responsibility of not committing gun crime:
Do we have any responsibilities that go hand in hand with our freedoms?
No.
#14 | POSTED BY BOAZ

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-02 06:12 PM | Reply

#17,

Truth, I was about to say paying taxes is my only responsibility in society...You are correct.

#21 | Posted by boaz at 2021-08-02 07:44 PM | Reply

Why not go full Ayn Rand Superman?

If taxes is the only thing you think you owe society, that's literally the only thing holding you back.

I wonder when you figured out you owe society nothing if you're so poor you don't have to pay taxes. Did you learn it on the Democrat Plantation?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-02 08:02 PM | Reply

Truth, I was about to say paying taxes is my only responsibility in society...You are correct.

#21 | POSTED BY BOAZ A

No you are wrong, because you have a whole lot of other responsibilities.

Like follow every law for one.

Show up when you are drafted by the military for another.

I could go on

In fact, one could argue that you have a heck of alot more responsibilities as a citizen than you do rights. If you want to look at things in that light.

#23 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-08-02 08:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Serving on a jury is another one

Appearing as a witness when called to trial

#24 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-08-02 08:08 PM | Reply

I've got a right to bear arms and I owe society nothing for giving me that right.

Now what could possibly go wrong with this scenario?

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-02 08:10 PM | Reply

As I teach Boaz a thing or two about civics I learned something myself.

The Oath to become a US Citizen

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Them there a whole lot of responsibilities. This one jumps out "that I will support and defend the Constitution" that is quite interesting. Keep in mind native born citizens dont have to take this oath, only naturalized citizens

#26 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-08-02 08:12 PM | Reply

To boaz, gun fondling is the only right that matters.

cause he is quite child like

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-08-02 08:13 PM | Reply

Truth, I was about to say paying taxes is my only responsibility in society...You are correct.

#21 | POSTED BY BOAZ

That's a sad way to look at it.

This country gave so much to you and you're apparently content taking while giving back only when required.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-02 08:16 PM | Reply

"Truth, I was about to say paying taxes is my only responsibility in society...You are correct."

A civilized society demands more. Much more.

You don't feel a responsibility to report a crime you witness?
You don't feel a responsibility to raise your children well?
You don't feel a responsibility to return a library book on time?
You don't feel a responsibility to help a handicapped person you see struggling to cross the road?
You don't feel a responsibility to obey the law?

I could go on and on, but as a savage, you wouldn't understand, Boaz.

#29 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-02 09:13 PM | Reply

#27 -

"Happiness is a warm gun
(bang, bang, shoot shoot)"

#30 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-02 09:18 PM | Reply

Should gays be forced or pressured to take an experimental HIV vaccine as soon as it becomes available?

#31 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-08-02 10:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ship's sailed on that one, bigot.

#32 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-08-02 10:34 PM | Reply

#30

Guns, plural.

#33 | Posted by willowby at 2021-08-02 10:58 PM | Reply

#31 Anybody can get HIV or are you calling Magic Johnson a poof? Love to see that tough guy.

#34 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-08-02 11:04 PM | Reply

"Should gays be forced or pressured to take an experimental HIV vaccine as soon as it becomes available?"

Yes you should...why?

#36 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-02 11:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#34, you have a point, but gay and bisexual males are the most likely to be infected and spread it. There are also groups who are disproportionately affected by it. But maybe we should make the entire population take PrEP?

#37 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-08-02 11:28 PM | Reply

#26 only disease-carrying immigrants have to make that oath.

People who are born here don't have those obligations attached to their citizenship.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-02 11:43 PM | Reply

"Should gays be forced or pressured to take an experimental HIV vaccine as soon as it becomes available?"

^
To put this deeply flawed analogy in perspective, In 2018, there were 15,820 deaths among adults and adolescents with diagnosed HIV in the United States and 6 dependent areas.

COVID-19 kills about 30x more people than HIV does in a year.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-02 11:51 PM | Reply

So now it's only the raw numbers that matter? We're not supposed to care about groups who are disproportionately affected by a malady?

#40 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-08-03 12:20 AM | Reply

"Covid can kill, but overwhelmingly has little, if any long term impact on the people that come in contact with it."

I guess that's why it killed 30x more people than HIV did.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-03 12:41 AM | Reply

The total number of deaths from HIV is about 700,000 since the first case in 1980. Which was 41 years ago.

Meanwhile, COVID-19 has killed (checks today's number) 629,862 in a year and a half.

Republicans are really, really bad at math.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-03 12:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I've got a right to bear arms and I owe society nothing for giving me that right.

Society doesnt give me rights, God did.

#45 | Posted by boaz at 2021-08-03 07:55 AM | Reply

#45

"God did."
You've deduced this how, exactly?

#46 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-08-03 07:58 AM | Reply

Do we have any responsibilities that go hand in hand with our freedoms?
No.

#14 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Now Boaz is against voter ID, stops signs, speed limits, seat belts, driving on the right side of the road, etc....

#47 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-08-03 08:21 AM | Reply

I've got a right to bear arms and I owe society nothing for giving me that right.

You don't have an obligation to own and handle your weapons in a responsible manner?

God your a fookin child.

#48 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-08-03 08:22 AM | Reply

"Covid can kill, but overwhelmingly has little, if any long term impact on the people that come in contact with it."

Tell that to the guy who had his leg amputated.

Tell that to the people that have developed heart irregularities.

Tell that to the people who have lost arms, fingers, etc to the disease.

Educate yourself.

www.mayoclinic.org

Common signs and symptoms that linger over time include:

Fatigue
Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
Cough
Joint pain
Chest pain
Memory, concentration or sleep problems
Muscle pain or headache
Fast or pounding heartbeat
Loss of smell or taste
Depression or anxiety
Fever
Dizziness when you stand
Worsened symptoms after physical or mental activities

Organ damage caused by COVID-19

Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can damage many other organs as well. This organ damage may increase the risk of long-term health problems. Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome " a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

Blood clots and blood vessel problems

COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.

Other parts of the body affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels and cause them to leak, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.

#49 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-08-03 08:26 AM | Reply

I guess that's why it killed 30x more people than HIV did.
#42 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Are you stupid?

#44 | POSTED BY JUSTVAXXED AT 2021-08-03 12:54 AM

You must be new here.

#51 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-03 10:33 AM | Reply

But but it's just the flu!!

15 cases soon to be zero!

It will disappear ... like magic!

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-08-03 10:38 AM | Reply

God did.

#45 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Which one?

Because from here it sounds like your Gawd is truly the Evil One.

Be careful who to choose to serve.

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-08-03 10:41 AM | Reply

Snoofy,

"Do we have any responsibilities that go hand in hand with our freedoms?"

Do you mean "we" the government or "we" individuals?

Perhaps you're hitting the nail on the head the difference between liberals and conservatives.

Conservatives believe individuals have responsibilities in conjunction with our freedoms and the government should have limited involvement in our lives.

Liberals are opposite. They believe in the government being responsible for everyones well being and individuals take limited responsibility for themselves since they're all victims of the system or whoever is the latest scapegoat.

Of course there are instances where the government has the power to address situations and may have a duty to address some problems. The question is just to what degree.

This virus being a global crisis might just be a situation all first world countries should work together to supply resources. Still...the question is to what degree.

As we've seen in the US people can become permanent wards of the state which certainly is not the goal.

#54 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-08-03 11:13 AM | Reply

"Conservatives believe individuals have responsibilities in conjunction with our freedoms and the government should have limited involvement in our lives."

Boaz doesn't believe we have responsibilities in conjunction with our freedoms.

"As we've seen in the US people can become permanent wards of the state which certainly is not the goal."

Being Tough On Crime has been a rallying cry of the right for as long as you've been alive. It's put millions of people in that position, largely for non-violent drug offenses. The War on Drugs flies in the face of government having limited involvement in our lives. Conservatives are the biggest supporters of the War on Drugs.

Your statement are all too often sweeping, grandiose, and wrong.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-03 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Snoofy,

Boaz?

What does he have to do with me or do you think all conservatives look alike?

#56 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-08-03 12:53 PM | Reply

Should gays be forced or pressured to take an experimental HIV vaccine as soon as it becomes available?

#31 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Why is it you tools have nothing but hilariously bad false equivalencies?

#57 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-03 01:18 PM | Reply

The common cold kills more children than covid, so are you going to enforce your same suggestion for those with the common cold? How about those with HIV? Seems you have locked onto covid only for some reason. Why?

#35 | POSTED BY JUSTVAXXED

Facts not in evidence, moron.

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-03 01:19 PM | Reply

Covid can kill, but overwhelmingly has little, if any long term impact on the people that come in contact with it.

#41 | POSTED BY JUSTVAXXED

Completely, massively wrong.

jamanetwork.com

www.forbes.com

Anecdotally, I know of three people in my extended family alone with long term effects from COVID.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-03 01:23 PM | Reply

Society doesnt give me rights, God did.

#45 | POSTED BY BOAZ

God is a manmade construct.

Try again.

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-03 01:24 PM | Reply

Now compare that to HIV/AIDS. Perfect 100% death ratio for HIV/AIDS.

#50 | POSTED BY JUSTVAXXED

www.hindawi.com

Try again moron.

#61 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-03 01:26 PM | Reply

What does he have to do with me or do you think all conservatives look alike?

#56 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Same guy who previously said

Conservatives believe individuals have responsibilities in conjunction with our freedoms and the government should have limited involvement in our lives.
Liberals are opposite. They believe in the government being responsible for everyones well being and individuals take limited responsibility for themselves since they're all victims of the system or whoever is the latest scapegoat.
#54 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

only 1:40 earlier.

I swear, if "C-c-conservatives" didn't have spoon fed caricatures they'd have nothing at all.

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-03 01:29 PM | Reply

If god gave people the right to bear arms, wouldnt he have given people the guns themselves? Or at least a coupon for walmart to buy bullets?

Pretty passive aggressive this god of yours.

#63 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-08-03 02:01 PM | Reply

"false equivalencies"

*drink*

#64 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-08-03 02:44 PM | Reply

"false equivalencies" Get called out for poor logic and lack of critical thought
*drink*

#64 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

There's an easy way to fix that problem, SSentinel.

#65 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-03 02:50 PM | Reply

wikidiff.com

#66 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-08-03 02:53 PM | Reply

JPW is sssssslurrring hisssss ssssppeeech already. That's how you can tell it's still early afternoon.

#67 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-08-03 02:55 PM | Reply

I'm not the one admittedly drinking, SSentinel.

Got any more poor comparison to lob into the conversation?

#68 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-03 03:05 PM | Reply

How much does the current virus crisis share in common with early HIV outbreak scare?

For one thing, Creticos said, the swinging-pendulum nature of public response to developing news has been nearly identical, as has been the politicization of either disease.

"Here we are in 2020 with this disease that kills people, that we don't have any treatments for, that we really don't understand the full manifestation and presentation biology of the virus," Creticos said. "We're really dealing in the same situation as in the HIV epidemic."

But the means by which medical, legislative, and public agencies have united in their efforts to address COVID-19 was sorely missing during the height of HIV fear.

"I wonder if we had this type of effort at the beginning of the HIV epidemic, if we'd have solve this problem by now," she said. "I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that COVID affects everybody, but HIV was certainly perceived as not affecting everybody."

#69 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-08-03 03:10 PM | Reply

"I'm not the one admittedly drinking, SSentinel."

Use of the world "admittedly" noted. :-)

I didn't say I was actually drinking an alcoholic beverage, but you're the one who's been behaving like you are.

#70 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-08-03 03:14 PM | Reply

We cant force everyone in the U.S. to vaccinate.". That's more accurate.

#3 | POSTED BY BOAZ

We shouldn't have to force anyone.

But it is a public health emergency. And a global pandemic. You may get some if your "rights" curtailed. It happens in times of crisis.

You know?? Like they were curtailed when you were a soldier.

QCP is right. It's a joke to think we can help the world when we can't even help ourselves. We have met the enemy and it is the qtard idiots like our good friend the Boazo.

#71 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-08-03 05:12 PM | Reply

The world only likes America when we have something to give them. Otherwise, it's "---- off".

#72 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-03 05:12 PM | Reply

Other countries can pay for their own vaccines. The absolute last thing we need to do is add to our deficit vaccinating the world.

#73 | Posted by ABH at 2021-08-03 05:36 PM | Reply

I glanced at the page for this site, thought the title was "Americans must vacate the world now." Seemed a bit extreme to me, like something I would hear from Pacifica Radio.

#74 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2021-08-03 06:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

No. What I'm saying is you should avoid opening your clearly ignorant trap.

#76 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-04 12:28 PM | Reply

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