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Thursday, August 12, 2021

... what and how much do US religious organizations not pay the taxman? The hashtag #TaxTheChurches began trending on Twitter in mid-July.

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...The spark was allegations about the wealth of celebrity pastor Joel Osteen. But it wasn't the first time that "tax the churches" has circulated. In fact it is slogan that long predates social media " Frank Zappa was singing it back in 1981 and Mark ----- expressed similar sentiments many decades before that....

Additionally, unlike charities, churches and other places of worship are not required to report any financial information to the IRS. ...

Finally, religious organizations pay no property taxes. Property taxes are primarily used in the U.S. to fund local services like firefighting, emergency medical services and police departments, as well as schools and other infrastructure, all of which religious organizations use. ...



#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-08-12 11:07 AM | Reply

Religion is BIG business.

All profits from religious business activities should be taxed.

#2 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-08-12 11:23 AM | Reply

Also, the linked article presents no new information and seems somewhat pointless.

#3 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-08-12 11:31 AM | Reply

@#3

That site is more of a site that presents known info, and less of a site that presents new stuff. I visit it from time to time for background info on a topic.

In this case, the article was triggered by the #TaxTheChurches hashtag that has gained popularity of late.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-08-12 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tax the hell (and heaven) out of the churches. And while we're at it, tax the mega-corporations that pay very little or no taxes due to loopholes in our tax code.

Or don't, and keep printing dollars until our economy implodes. We are all now feeling the effects of our unimaginable debt with inflation.

Just look at the Weimar Republic or current day Venezuela to see what happens when the government keeps printing money and spending like a drunken sailor.

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

George Santayana

#5 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-12 11:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I couldn't agree with this more. Tax them! The church next door to me is a fraud. They are covered in prison tattoos, come out of the building cussing, treat all of the neighbors like we are beneath them, and are absolutely terrible people. I fully believe they are just running a church for the tax perks. When we first moved in one of the young sons told my husband he had been in and out of jail for drug abuse but got his life straight with god. As much traffic as they have going to the little house where they ALL live leads me to believe they are still messing with drugs. Tax all churches and stop allowing shelters for fraudulent behavior.

#6 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2021-08-12 11:56 AM | Reply

"We are all now feeling the effects of our unimaginable debt with inflation."

If that's the case, why has inflation been so low during the last, say, $15 Trillion?

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-12 12:03 PM | Reply

"Tax all churches and stop allowing shelters for fraudulent behavior."

What exactly do you mean?

Tax them? exactly...what do you mean by that?

and what is the "fraudulent behavior"?

Danforth....please let her answer.

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2021-08-12 12:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#7 - we've obviously reached the tippingn point.

That large debt caused by printing money causes inflation is an economic concept as fundamental as supply and demand.

#9 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-12 12:21 PM | Reply

#8 | POSTED BY EBERLY -- My neighbors are staging a church in order to defraud any members can get to attend. From what I see every day of the week they are no way near Christians, yet they purchased a church as a tax shelter and expect people to donate every Sunday to support their lifestyle. To me that constitutes fraud whether it is by definition or not. They should be required to pay property taxes at the very least.

#10 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2021-08-12 01:03 PM | Reply

This issue will never really get any traction.

Anybody not understand why?

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2021-08-12 02:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This issue will never really get any traction.
Anybody not understand why?

Because the vast majority of Americans (Democrats and Republicans) are Christians.

Of the remaining population the vast majority belong to an organized religion.

Scientology was created specifically as a tax shelter.

All these people are lemmings and will obey the command given to them to prevent #TaxTheChurches from becoming a reality.

Any politician who mutters " #TaxTheChurches" will find themselves out on their rears.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-08-12 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That large debt caused by allowing billionaires to pay no taxes

#9 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

Fixed that for ya', pal.

#13 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-08-12 03:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

12

well said

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2021-08-12 03:10 PM | Reply

"we've obviously reached the tippingn point."

Based on what metric?

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-13 12:48 AM | Reply

#15 - inflation

#16 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-13 01:08 AM | Reply

#13 - clevef. Maybe you should vote for people who don't enact laws which enable billionaires to not pay taxes.

#17 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-13 01:10 AM | Reply

"#15 - inflation"

Based on what? Two or three quarters?!? And what do you mean by "tipping point"? Where is it going, and when? Be specific.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-13 01:22 AM | Reply

@18 - it is a well established economic fact that excessive debt causes inflation. I do not want to take the time to explain why this is. There are mnumerous resources on the internet you can google if you want to know more about why this is.

Where is it going? Seeing into the future is outside of my paygrade.

#19 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-13 01:40 AM | Reply

"it is a well established economic fact that excessive debt causes inflation. I do not want to take the time to explain why this is."

Oh, I'm not disagreeing. The last 20 years are. Frankly, it puzzles me.

"Where is it going? Seeing into the future is outside of my paygrade."

Except you mentioned a "tipping point". What's that supposed to mean if you're not predicting the future?

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-13 01:42 AM | Reply

"Maybe you should vote for people who don't enact laws which enable billionaires to not pay taxes."

Would that be the Reagan Code (Republicans), The GW Bush I Code (Republicans), the GW Bush II Code (Republicans), or the Trump Code (Republicans)?

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-13 01:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That large debt caused by printing money causes inflation is an economic concept as fundamental as supply and demand.

#9 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

So is the concept that inflation can be driven by rapidly increasing wages or demand far surpassing supply.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-13 01:49 AM | Reply

#21 - exactly. I'm not into the blame game, but since you brought it up, the makeup of the legislative branch is as important, if not more than the Executive branch.

No one escapes the blame on why billionaires don't pay taxes. Do not pretend otherwise.

#23 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-13 02:47 AM | Reply

#20 - "Except you mentioned a "tipping point". What's that supposed to mean if you're not predicting the future?"

I said in post #9, "we've obviously reached the tipping point." It is clear to any fluent speaker of English, the event to which I am referring is in the past, not the future.

It seems you are trolling me again, Danforth.

#24 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-13 03:09 AM | Reply

The tipping point is in the past but the effects of it are right now and the near future, so yes it is a prediction. Show your math, the inflation over time we should expect.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-13 07:57 AM | Reply

Not to downplay our drunk teenagers with a Visa Black that represent our government spending, but mostly what I see are supply shortages, lack of containers to move freight with, that are driving price increases for the average consumer.

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-13 07:59 AM | Reply

" No one escapes the blame on why billionaires don't pay taxes. Do not pretend otherwise."

You'd have to be a moron not to blame the authors and drivers, and those folks all have "R"s after their names.

For example, there are five major reasons the percentage of folks who "Don't pay (income) taxes" has kept rising to this point, all of which can be traced to Republicans. Can you name them?

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-13 10:50 AM | Reply

So is the concept that inflation can be driven by rapidly increasing wages or demand far surpassing supply.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-13 01:49 AM | Reply | Flag

That's what we're seeing now. Wages are rising because employers need workers at the same time supply chain shortages is cutting supply of goods. It's a lose lose, consumers with more money to buy scarce products that are not there.

Used cars are the hot ticket now. I was offered 20% over blue book retail to trade in my car when I bought my new one, but had already promised to give it to a relative that was starting college and needed a good car.

#28 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-08-13 11:13 AM | Reply

" I said in post #9, "we've obviously reached the tipping point." It is clear to any fluent speaker of English, the event to which I am referring is in the past, not the future."

Tipping point ... to what?

I'm not trolling; I'm simply pointing out that your claim (and my belief, I'll add) didn't seem to work over the last two decades, while we watched trillions of dollars pumped into the economy. If the theory we both agree on is true, where has inflation been for the last 20 years?

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-13 11:16 AM | Reply

No one escapes the blame on why billionaires don't pay taxes.

How many democrats voted for Fat Nixons Tax Scam in 2017? How many actually go to read the 2,000 page bill for more than two hours before the vote?

How many democrats are in this picture of Fat Nixon celebrated his gift to the .01%?

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www.minnpost.com

"The Trump administration championed the pass-through provision as tax relief for "small businesses."Confidential tax records, however, reveal that Johnson's last-minute maneuver benefited two families more than almost any others in the country " both worth billions and both among the senator's biggest donors.Dick and Liz Uihlein of packaging giant Uline, along with roofing magnate Diane Hendricks, together had contributed around $20 million to groups backing Johnson's 2016 reelection campaign.

The expanded tax break Johnson muscled through netted them $215 million in deductions in 2018 alone, drastically reducing the income they owed taxes on. At that rate, the cut could deliver more than half a billion in tax savings for Hendricks and the Uihleins over its eight-year life.

But the tax break did more than just give a lucrative, and legal, perk to Johnson's donors. In the first year after Trump signed the legislation, just 82 ultrawealthy households collectively walked away with more than $1 billion in total savings, an analysis of confidential tax records shows. "

#30 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-08-13 11:21 AM | Reply

"it is a well established economic fact that excessive debt causes inflation."

Is this a reference to the Reinhart and Rogoff paper, where they accidentally hid a column in their Excel spreadsheet?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-13 11:48 AM | Reply

$1 billion in savings? That's it? FFS. That's less than 0.1% of the infrastructure bill in congress right now.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-13 11:50 AM | Reply

" $1 billion in savings? That's it?"

No, that's not it. That's only the amount in the first year. Now multiply that by eight, and then add the residual amounts.

Reasonably: $8.2B.

Now divide by 82: avg $100 million per.

Still chump change?

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-13 12:07 PM | Reply

Yes.

That makes it, if the infrastructure bill is only $1.2 trillion, under 7/10th of a percent of just that one piece of legislation. If it's $1.5 tril, just a little over half of a percent. The House wants another $3.5 trill after this spending. Afghanistan cost $2 trillion.

$8.2 billion only gets you 2/3 of the hull of one aircraft carrier. We have 20.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-13 02:32 PM | Reply

"You'd have to be a moron not to blame the authors and drivers,"

I'll take your word for it, Danforth. The blame game isn't one I play very much, so I am not good at it. I am more interested in solutions than blame.

#35 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-13 05:15 PM | Reply

"The blame game isn't one I play very much"

How about the "analyze the equation" game; play that much?

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-13 05:17 PM | Reply

"$8.2 billion only gets you 2/3 of the hull of one aircraft carrier."

Well, if that isn't worth giving $100 million to the wealthiest 82 families, I don't know what is!

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-13 05:19 PM | Reply

""You'd have to be a moron not to blame the authors and drivers,"

The authors? You mean congress? That is exactly to whom I amreferring.

You have to be a moron to not recognize that when one party held all the cards (as Obama did when he took office) they did not pass one single piece of legislation to fix the problem of billionaires not being taxed. Read that last sentence again. You also have to be a moron to know that it is not the president who makes laws, including tax laws. Basic HS civics, Danforth. But if you wish to untangle this se;f-servomg complicated web that congress has spun over the last half century to line their pockets with $$$ from megacorporateamerica and can present it succinctly and accurately to prove that our party through action or inaction bears no blame, go for it.

Spare me your stupid faux outrage of the Republicans and blaming them exclusively for the tax loopholes that keep mega corporations virtually tax free. It is our party's fault, too. There is no problem defending your party. There is a big problem with overlooking their their faults and still defending them, however. This is another example between a progressive and a liberal. Progressives blindly defend their own. Liberals are critical of their own as well as the opposition.

#38 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-13 05:28 PM | Reply

The original deal which allowed churches to not pay taxes also required them to stay out of politics.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2021-08-13 05:31 PM | Reply

"How about the "analyze the equation" game; play that much?"

Always. And I did. But you hate it if the conclustion doesn't fit into your progressive mold.

Prove to me that the Democrats are blame free when it comes to billionaires getting a free ride. You can start by explaining why the Dems who had full control of congress did not introduce, much less pass a single bit of legislation to stop it.

I'll wait.

And probably a long time.

#40 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-13 05:31 PM | Reply

You are a progressive hack who blindly ignores the Democrat's faults, Danforth. Prove me wrong.

#41 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-13 05:33 PM | Reply

" Liberals are critical of their own as well as the opposition."

So, you don't think any progressives were calling for the resignation of Gov. Cuomo? Your comment is simply not based on facts. Progressives are liberals, some more extreme than others but all of us want to move in the same direction.

#42 | Posted by danni at 2021-08-13 05:33 PM | Reply

#40 - and please do not give the mewly mouth answer, "But, but, but those ebil Wepublicans would filibuster!" That's not excuse for not trying.

#43 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-13 05:35 PM | Reply

It really didn't take long at all for "Jakester" to fall right back into the same pattern of behavior that got him banned in the first place, did it?

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-13 05:36 PM | Reply

"So, you don't think any progressives were calling for the resignation of Gov. Cuomo? "

NoW? Of course, now that they know there is no way they can deny it anymore. Where were they at the beginning of this fiasco? Defending him, that's where.

It's like defending hydrogen lofted airships until that moment when the Hindenburg burst into flames in Lakehurst, NJ. Smart and unbiased people knew before then the real score.

#45 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-13 05:38 PM | Reply

Progressives are killing the Demoratic party. We need more liberals.

#46 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-13 05:39 PM | Reply

Jakester must be one of the stupider and more dishonest rightwingers on this site. What a piece of ----. One more addition to the plonk list.

#47 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-08-13 05:45 PM | Reply

"The authors? You mean congress? That is exactly to whom I am referring."

Again: one would have to be a moron to conclude the Reagan Code, the first GW Bush Code, the second GW Bush Code, and the Trump Code, fall equally to Ds and Rs.

Total. Moron.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-14 01:51 AM | Reply

"Progressives are killing the Demoratic party. We need more liberals."''

Whatever you say, Goatman.

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-14 01:51 AM | Reply

"And I did."

No, you didn't. No one who follows authorship could conclude both parties are equally guilty.

"you hate it if the conclustion doesn't fit into your progressive mold."

No, I hate if the "conclustion" ignores the obvious facts.

#50 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-14 01:55 AM | Reply

"It is our party's fault, too. There is no problem defending your party."

Huh? First it's "our" party, then I represent the "other"?!? You're a fraud.

Thanks for admitting, in two sentences, you're a complete fake.

#51 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-14 02:02 AM | Reply

Definitely goatmam.

At least tonight.

Must be a more disciplined exiled snowflake on other nights.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-14 02:06 AM | Reply

Just give the IRS back its teeth so that it can pursue any so-called religious organization that's speeing partisan politics from the pulpit.

#53 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-14 03:20 AM | Reply

"Must be a more disciplined exiled snowflake on other nights."

Probably just the meds wearing off.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-14 04:16 AM | Reply

Or maybe granted more privileges over the past few weeks.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-14 04:16 AM | Reply

Well, if that isn't worth giving $100 million to the wealthiest 82 families, I don't know what is!

#37 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2021-08-13 05:19 PM | FLAG:

Not worth it. Still chump change for the US gov. $100 million can't even fund a bridge project in a single significant US city. It would have got you 1/5th of a Sunshine Skyway. Now it won't even get you a 10th of it with regulatory creep.

#56 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-14 09:06 AM | Reply

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