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Friday, August 13, 2021

In the context of a deadly and often debilitating contagion, where the unchecked spread of infection has consequences for the entire society, vaccination is not a personal decision. And inasmuch as the United States has struggled to achieve herd immunity against Covid-19 through vaccination, it is because we refuse to treat the pandemic for what it is: a social problem to solve through collection action.

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Wearing a helmet while bike riding, strapping on your seatbelt in a car - these are personal decisions, at least as far as your own injuries are concerned. Vaccination is different.

From the jump, the federal government devolved its response to the pandemic, foisting responsibility onto states and localities, which, in turn, left individual Americans and their communities to navigate conflicting rules and information.

Is it any surprise that millions of Americans treat this fundamentally social problem - how do we vaccinate enough people to prevent the spread of a deadly disease - as a personal one?

That's why families and communities were left to fend for themselves in the face of disease, why so many people treat the question of exposure and contagion as a personal choice made privately and why our institutions have made vaccination a choice when it should have been mandated from the start.

When you structure a society so that every person must be an island, you cannot then blame people when inevitably they act as if they are. If we want a country that takes solidarity seriously, we will actually have to build one.

Thanks Reagan Revolution for putting Americans on the path to self immolation -
We still live in the shadow of the Reagan Revolution and its successful attack on America's traditions of republican solidarity and social responsibility. "Over the past fifty years," Mike Konczal writes in "Freedom from the Market: America's Fight to Liberate Itself From the Grip of the Invisible Hand," "both our personal lives and our economy have been forced ever more deeply into market dependency."

If American society has been reshaped in the image of capital, then Americans themselves have been pushed to relate to one another and our institutions as market creatures in search of utility, as opposed to citizens bound together by rights and obligations.

And here we are, 620,000 plus dead and counting into a pandemic - the worst death total of all countries on the planet. Yea! - not.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-08-13 08:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Too many Americans think being selfish is the ultimate expression of freedom.

And they accuse us of being selfish when we say, you shouldn't pee in the pool that we all have to swim in.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-13 08:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

But, what about mah freedumbs? I mean, it's scary to get stuck with a sharp ouchie. I might have side effects from a new and unapproved vaccine. Mom and Dad know best, not some government lacky. Right?

Trump says the vaccine has dangers. He knows best.

I know he would Never get the shots himself.

#3 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-08-13 09:34 AM | Reply

Too many Americans think being selfish is the ultimate expression of freedom.
And they accuse us of being selfish when we say, you shouldn't pee in the pool that we all have to swim in.

#2 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Republican Motto: Ask not what you can do for your country. Ask what your country can do for you.

#4 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-08-13 11:00 AM | Reply

The smallpox vaccination was over by the time I was born and polio was nearly wiped out by then. For older folks here, was there a big resistance movement to those vaccines in the 60's or earlier like we see with covid now?

#5 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-08-13 11:24 AM | Reply

" For older folks here, was there a big resistance movement to those vaccines in the 60's or earlier like we see with covid now?"

Only from little kids who hated to get shots, like me. Adults saw it as a blessing/opportunity.

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-13 11:40 AM | Reply

No. Little resistance except by religious fools and libertarians. They were dismissed as crackpots by the media and everyone else for the most part.

This covid thing has really shown the loss of civic life in America. The Reagan cult of the "individual" is showing its Ass.

No man is an island. Only fools want to be.

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-08-13 11:44 AM | Reply

FDR had polio and everybody thought polio was bad.

Trump has COVID-19 and millions of his supporters think COVID-19 is no worse than the flu.

The difference is that the GOP has become a death cult.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-13 11:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

The sad thing is polio was actually not nearly as impactful as COVID, yet the country still came together for a mass vaccination drive to rid our country (and eventually the world) of it.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-13 12:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Wearing a helmet while bike riding, strapping on your seatbelt in a car - these are personal decisions, at least as far as your own injuries are concerned. Vaccination is different. "

If you aren't wearing a seat belt when you get in a wreck, the insurance co can deny payment for medical treatment.

At this point in the pandemic, with all we know and a high availability of vaccines, the same should apply to people who willingly go unvaccinated and make them liable for their own medical bills.

#10 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-08-13 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Polio could give one a lifelong limp, a life in a wheelchair, or a horrible short life in an iron lung. We welcomed the vaccine and Jonas Salk did not patent it.

It was a different country then. After Pearl harbor everyone pitched in. They enlisted, went to work in defense plants, and put up with rationing of all kinds of things.

It is shameful today that some people riot over being asked to wear a mask.

#11 | Posted by TenMile at 2021-08-13 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

So many Americans stupidly think it is their Constitutional right to be incredibly stupid but, historically, our Supreme Court has not agreed with them.
Stupidity is not a Constitutional right, like it or not, the court has stepped in and allowed forced vaccination more than once in our history.

"Amy Coney Barrett Strikes Surprising Killer Blow Against Vaccine Mandate Defiance"

www.newsweek.com

#12 | Posted by danni at 2021-08-13 03:11 PM | Reply

"It was a different country then. After Pearl harbor everyone pitched in. They enlisted, went to work in defense plants, and put up with rationing of all kinds of things."

In today's world we would all be speaking German or Japanese.

The Trumpers would be the first cowards to welcome defeat if it took the slightest effort to achieve victory.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2021-08-13 03:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The Trumpers would be the first cowards to welcome defeat if it took the slightest effort to achieve victory."

You're being generous.

All Hitler would have had to have done is throw Trump a few compliments and Trump would have offered to board National Socialists in US houses...

...welcomed them as very fine people. Probably oblivious they would send his son in law and grand children to the gas chamber.

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-13 03:37 PM | Reply

You're right MADBOMBER and I don't say that everyday.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2021-08-13 04:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#11 | Posted by TenMile

If the selfish morons we see protesting the simplest forms of pandemic mitigation were a thing during the polio epidemic, leg brace, crutch, and iron lung manufacturers would be in the Top 10 of the Dow.

#16 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-08-13 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is everyone's business, these yoyo's that won't get a vaccine.

"The 11-month-old girl from COVID-19 was stable and one day was airlifted to a Texas hospital 150 miles away due to a shortage of pediatric beds in the Houston area."

https://ohionewstime.com/11-months-texas-covid-19-150-miles-airlift-due-to-lack-of-hospital-beds/
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"San Antonio leaders say the city ran out of ambulances for a brief period on Thursday as coronavirus-related 911 calls hit record levels."

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/satx-covid-ems-impact/273-dd27d559-dd3c-4218- 9c31-97e71d9e10b1

The loss of ambulance service means you could have an EMT on site with a heart attack patient that can't get to the hospital or a car wreck with seriously injured patient that can't be transported to the hospital, because all the ambulances are in use, waiting on the hospital to take the present patient in before it can be decontaminated for next use.

#17 | Posted by BBQ at 2021-08-14 12:31 AM | Reply

Some family members of loved ones lost to the virus are beginning to see the light and get vaccinated themselves. I wonder how their attitudes have changed toward those people that told them that covid-19 was just a hoax and encouraged them not to get the shot.

#18 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2021-08-14 04:33 PM | Reply

More authoritarian garbage.

#19 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-14 05:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh look. Bellringer's hangover passed enough for him to come back and get kicked in the nuts a few more times.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-14 05:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Politicians should be getting very nervous that a bereaved retiree having lost a spouse to covid might seek violent retribution against any and all spreaders of covid misinformation.

#21 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-14 05:41 PM | Reply

#19

Russell Kirk, considered the father of modern American conservatism, wrote in the 1990s: "When every person claims to be a power unto himself, then society falls into anarchy."

Amy Coney Barrett, maybe the most conservative of the three justices nominated by Donald Trump to the Supreme Court, rejected without comment on Thursday a challenge to Indiana University's vaccination requirement for students. In doing so, she upheld a unanimous decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit that the school has the right to "decide what is necessary to keep other students safe in a congregate setting." That opinion was written by Judge Frank Easterbrook, a conservative luminary who was nominated by President Ronald Reagan. "Vaccinations protect not only the vaccinated persons but also those who come in contact with them," the judge reasoned.

Even most libertarians acknowledge that you should only be able to do whatever you want to your own body so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. But not wearing masks indoors and refusing to get vaccinated indisputably put the broader community at risk.

www.washingtonpost.com

#22 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-08-14 06:26 PM | Reply

Oh look. Bellringer's hangover passed enough for him to come back and get kicked in the nuts a few more times.

#20 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-08-14 05:19

Nice come back considering the ------ I forced you to give me last night, fake doctor. Your drunkass shouting down people doesn't make you less of a liar.

#23 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-14 08:50 PM | Reply

someone's living in an alternate "reality."

wow.

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2021-08-14 10:56 PM | Reply

Wearing a helmet while bike riding, strapping on your seatbelt in a car - these are personal decisions, at least as far as your own injuries are concerned.

If you don't have your seat belt fastened when you get in a wreck, guess what?

Your insurer won't pay your medical bills.

Don't get vaccinated without a damned good reason?

Insurers and taxpayers shouldn't pay your medical bills. You knew the dangers of COVID and did nothing.

#25 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-08-15 05:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

AMERICANUNITY is correct. If you don't get the vaccine, except on the advice of your doctor, catching the Covid-19 will be considered self-inflicted.

Plus your medical bills, which could accumulate for the rest of your life, will drive you, and more importantly your family, to ruin.

Obstinance is no excuse. Political loyalty is no excuse. Fear of needles (take a pill) is no excuse. Loss of freedom is the most ridiculous excuse of all. In fact, a case could be made that you have a death wish.

There is one thing you can count on. All those conspiracies that scare the bejebes out of you are created for only one reason ~ political. Donald Trump's massive ego can't stand the thought that the CDC is right and he is wrong.

So don't be so gullible. Listen to Dr. Fauci. GET VACCINATED! NOW!

Too late can come sooner than you think.

#26 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-08-15 06:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Don't wear a seatbelt? Don't wear a helmet on a motorcycle? "Personal decisions"? Fine, then you don't get a public-paid-for ambulance, okay?

Don't want a vaccine, don't wear a mask? Then no hospital bed for you when you come down with Covid, okay?

#27 | Posted by nimbleswitch at 2021-08-15 07:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If You Skip the Vaccine, It Is My 'Damn Business'

It's your damn business until you get covid and end up in the ICU where you take a bed away from someone who did get vaccinated and needs the bed for some other medical emergency.

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-08-15 09:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

NIMBLESWITCH

"Fine, then you don't get a public-paid-for ambulance, okay."

Don't want a vaccine, don't wear a mask? Then no hospital bed for you when you come down with Covid, okay?"

Reality is scary enough as it is ~ there's no need to add any padding.

BWT, hospitals and medical services aren't allowed to turn you away UNLESS they no longer have the capacity to treat you. That's what is happening now and THAT'S the real scary part. THAT'S why field hospitals are being set up in parking garages and THAT's why desperate pleas for doctors and nurses are going out over the airways.

But that's only a temporary respite when the demands number in the thousands ~ all because millions of people put their lives on the line when they succumb to the political propaganda of outright lies and misinformation.

Frankly, I wish there was an island somewhere where they could all be quarantined.

#29 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-08-15 09:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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