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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Sunday, August 15, 2021

The Biden administration is preparing for the fall of Kabul and a retreat from any U.S. diplomatic presence in Afghanistan -- a stunning reversal of expectations.

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...Why it matters: It's a major reversal from even a few weeks ago.

- - The working assumption in Biden's inner circle had been that Kabul could hold for the short term, allowing the U.S. to stay diplomatically engaged and help Afghan women secure their rights beyond the U.S. withdrawal.

- - The 3,000 Marines and soldiers going in to help with the evacuation will also be gone by Aug. 31, we're told.


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-08-14 11:12 AM | Reply

Some POTUS was going to take this hit. It'll be pure garbage but the GOP will hammer him for it.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-14 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

a stunning reversal of expectations

Anyone who expected differently is delusional or a fool. Maybe both.

#3 | Posted by censored at 2021-08-14 12:13 PM | Reply

Jpw,

I'm already reading it is failing due to problems created from the negotiations between the previous administration and the Afghans"

The GOP will blame Biden and democrats will blame Trump.

What's new?

Don't you think Biden should be hammered?

Biden has had the advantage of knowing ahead of time what will happen but he's going forward anyway.

A lot of problems are caused by not knowing the outcome and making missteps.

Here Biden knows exactly what will be the outcome and doing it anyway.

#4 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-08-14 12:23 PM | Reply

Anyone who expected differently is delusional or a fool

No kidding. What did they expect was going to happen?

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-08-14 12:23 PM | Reply

Biden is making the Taliban China's problem.

Genius.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2021-08-14 12:34 PM | Reply

Now is the perfect time. In 3 1/2 years nobody will even be able to spell it anymore.

It would be nice if they advertise there products as fentynal free.

#7 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-08-14 01:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Their dammit

#8 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-08-14 01:16 PM | Reply

Here Biden knows exactly what will be the outcome and doing it anyway.

#4 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

The only other option is to remain indefinitely.

We were never going to outlast the Taliban. Afghanistan was never going to be an "America."

Someone eventually was going to have to pull this trigger.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-14 03:24 PM | Reply

Someone eventually was going to have to pull this trigger.

And let's not forget, no one gave a ---- when the Taliban took over Afghanistan in the first place. Lot's of chatter but no one tried to do anything about it.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-08-14 03:52 PM | Reply

The GOP will blame Biden and democrats will blame Trump.

What's new?

Don't you think Biden should be hammered?

Biden has had the advantage of knowing ahead of time what will happen but he's going forward anyway.

If US pulled out 10 years ago, or stayed for 10 more years, what is happening today would have occurred regardless of time invested in-country.

#11 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-08-14 03:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Nobody cares about the Syrians or the Kurds. The US tossed them under the bus too.

Sorry afganies, time to run for your lives.

#12 | Posted by bored at 2021-08-14 05:29 PM | Reply

America lost its patience. We've been in that filthy worthless country for 20 years he was people don't want to stand up and fight against the Taliban it's their loss not ours.

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-14 06:19 PM | Reply

This is one of those lose lose situations. We shouldn't have ever gone in.

But. Over the last 20 years. The American military should have built an army of Afghani fighters.

So they could defend themselves against the Taliban.

In the end. No one cares and this will all be forgotten in 5 days.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-08-14 06:28 PM | Reply

Clown,

"No one cares and this will all be forgotten in 5 days."

People who assisted the US but didn't get out won't be forgetting.

They'll be forgotten.

Actually...killed.

#15 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-08-14 06:45 PM | Reply

@#9 ... We were never going to outlast the Taliban. ...

That is pretty much how I saw it. For me, Afghanistan was similar to being another Vietnam, fighting insurgents on their home turf.

We should have never gotten involved the way we did. It got to the point that we knew we needed to get out, but our exit options were limited.

My guess is that Pres Biden did not want to just kick the can down the road anymore, and was willing to take the fallout for getting us out.

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-08-14 06:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#15 ... People who assisted the US but didn't get out won't be forgetting.

They'll be forgotten.

Actually...killed. ...

That is the part that I think the Biden administration really blew.

Usually the conversation is about the thousands of interpreters who risked their lives (and the lives of their families) to help our troops, and in many cases save the lives of the Americans they were assisting.

But the Afghans who helped us go beyond the interpreters.

We left those brave allies behind for the Taliban to use as target practice.


#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-08-14 07:16 PM | Reply

Why aren't there any Republicans cheering the troops coming home?

This is what they wanted. This is what they voted for.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-14 09:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#18 ... Why aren't there any Republicans cheering the troops coming home?

This is what they wanted. This is what they voted for. ...

That aspect is indeed puzzling.

Could it be that the Republicans have been using troop deployments for political purposes?

Say it ain't so...

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-08-14 10:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Kabul surrounded. "Peace" talks underway.

#20 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-08-15 08:38 AM | Reply

Redial,

I bet the Afghan women are looking forward to this.

Yea!

#21 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-08-15 09:23 AM | Reply

"Afghanistan", where empires go to die. "

Mike Malloy

We're just the latest. Why is anyone surprised?

#22 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-08-15 09:32 AM | Reply

I bet the Afghan women are looking forward to this.

I'm assuming this is the talking point assignment for the weekend?

#23 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-08-15 09:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Curse you, Biden, for doing what we wanted!
--Trumpers

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 09:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Thanks, PNAC!

#25 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-08-15 10:02 AM | Reply

Did it really have to be this way? Was it really inevitable?:

Adam Kinzinger
@AdamKinzinger
For those repeating the "how long do we stay then, forever?" line, remember, at points we had over 100,000 troops in #Afghanistan. We had 2500, and no combat death since Feb of 2020. That sounds like serious progress ... but we like to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
9:03 AM Aug 15, 2021

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-08-15 10:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

America has its own mini-Taliban. Their commander is the former President of the united States.

I have to wonder if they're watching the the easy overthrow of the capital of Afghanistan on TV and getting big ideas.

#27 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-08-15 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#27 They already have them:

Carlos Piccata, who says he is a combat vet, to the Shasta, CA county commission: "It's not going to be peaceful much longer. We're building, we're organizing. You won't stop us when the time comes. This is a warning for what's coming. There's a million people just like me."

twitter.com

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-08-15 10:36 AM | Reply

"It's not going to be peaceful much longer. We're building, we're organizing. You won't stop us when the time comes. This is a warning for what's coming. There's a million people just like me."

^
According to Republicans, Independents, Libertarians, and at least one "Leftist," that is merely a "different point of view."

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 10:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is both Democrat and Republican fault. So stop taking sides.

The ultimate ending of this lies with the Afghani men and those in the military. THEY are the ones who failed their country.

Period. End of Story.

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2021-08-15 10:42 AM | Reply

I'm not okay with what is happening in Afghanistan. Not at all. I realize we couldn't stay there for ever and that something like this was inevitable when we did leave. But somewhere between forever and leaving like this should have been a robust plan to help those who helped us and who risked their lives for an Afghani future we promoted:

Malala
@Malala
We watch in complete shock as Taliban takes control of Afghanistan. I am deeply worried about women, minorities and human rights advocates. Global, regional and local powers must call for an immediate ceasefire, provide urgent humanitarian aid and protect refugees and civilians.
8:03 AM Aug 15, 2021

Adam Kinzinger
@AdamKinzinger
Reminder of what I said before this damage was done:

twitter.com

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-08-15 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

David Corn
@DavidCornDC
Bush and Cheney started wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with no clear strategies for long-term prosecution and success. Don't forget that today.

This was the neocon strategy.[:]

What has failed in Afghanistan is the Western belief that it can transform illiberal societies and build decent states in regions that are far away from the Western zone of liberal-democratic stability " with rather modest engagement.

twitter.com

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-08-15 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But somewhere between forever and leaving like this should have been a robust plan to help those who helped us and who risked their lives for an Afghani future we promoted"

^
"Somewhere" was when Trump took office.

Like I said, you're getting what you voted for.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 10:48 AM | Reply

"This was the neocon strategy."

Trickle down democracy doesn't work any better than trickle down economics.

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-08-15 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We had 2500, and no combat death since Feb of 2020. That sounds like serious progress ... but we like to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
9:03 AM Aug 15, 2021

#26 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Soooo....stay indefinitely?

You're never going to rule over people who don't want to be ruled over.

The Taliban were never going to say "ok, you win!"

We shouldn't have been there for two decades to begin with.

#35 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-15 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This is both Democrat and Republican fault. So stop taking sides."

That's kinda hilarious coming from you. In a few days it will all be because of them radical liberals I am sure.

This war was never winnable and we should have as gotten out fast as we could left once the original mission was accomplished.

But this is only a surprise to Americans safe at home. This has been coming since Obama. So it should have been no surprise to everyone there.

There is no elegant way to lose a war. The faster we get it over with now the better.

"Period. End of Story."

Easy for you to say. Sitting there in your comfy chair. In America.

It's not going to be over, period, end of story for the ones who can't get out.

And like Iraq I won't be surprised if we have to go back again someday.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-08-15 11:01 AM | Reply

#28 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Historians will always be puzzled how it is that a group of people who let corporations take over every thing at their own expense finally snapped and broke the country they claimed to love over a mask during a pandemic.

You can't be any more pathetically stupid.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-15 11:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

GAL @ #28

"This is a warning for what's coming."

Yeah, sure. I think I heard something like that at a high school football pep rally.

It sounds like a lot of empty bravado to me. Only the dumbest of the dumb telegraph their moves to the enemy.

#38 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-08-15 11:15 AM | Reply

I can't see blaming this administration or the previous one. Maybe W and company for going in with no exit strategy.
But ultimately the blame should be placed on the Afghan government and military. We've been there 20 years and pushed the Taliban out of control of the country. We provided the military with the best training and equipment in the world. It was up to them to defend their country and they have failed miserably.

#39 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-08-15 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

ut ultimately the blame should be placed on the Afghan government and military. We've been there 20 years and pushed the Taliban out of control of the country. We provided the military with the best training and equipment in the world. It was up to them to defend their country and they have failed miserably.

#39 | POSTED BY SCOTTE AT 202

We invade them
They do not do what we want
It is their fault

Americans have an aversion to viewing themselves as the bad guy

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-08-15 11:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Russia or China invaded us and spent 20 years trying to change us would the right thing be to resist or fight?

#41 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-08-15 11:49 AM | Reply

Redial,

"I'm assuming this is the talking point assignment for the weekend?"

No...I think the talking point should be about the next time we need to deal with an issue that requires we go into a country and ask for assistance from it's people.

#42 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-08-15 11:52 AM | Reply

Gal,

"What has failed in Afghanistan is the Western belief that it can transform illiberal societies"

You mean like Islam?

#43 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-08-15 11:56 AM | Reply

#43 So we should keep fighting then? Won't Islam eventually make it here, if we don't fight it over there?

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 11:57 AM | Reply

"If Russia or China invaded us and spent 20 years trying to change us would the right thing be to resist or fight?"

What actually happened is Russia invaded the GOP, and the GOP keeps fighting to make America more like Russia.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 11:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Americans have an aversion to viewing themselves as the bad guy"

That's largely a phenomenon that splits along party lines.
Only one party got mad because of Project 1619, because they think it makes America look bad.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 11:59 AM | Reply

Snoofy,

"Won't Islam eventually make it here, if we don't fight it over there?"

Now THAT'S a talking point!

#47 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-08-15 12:16 PM | Reply

We invade them
They do not do what we want
It is their fault
Americans have an aversion to viewing themselves as the bad guy

#40 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2021-08-15 11:47 AM | REPLY

I have no problem seeing America as the bad guy and I was always against putting troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I made my statement based on the belief that the majority of the Afghan people didn't want the Taliban in control, but if that's what they want then all will be right soon and we can thank Joe Biden for that.

#48 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-08-15 12:24 PM | Reply

Like I posted in the Nooner, two words: Tora Bora

But we know what W and Richard Haliburton were really up to. Bin Laden was a means to an end.

The end blew up in everybody's face but what's this year's military budget, and how much of the infrastructure bill?

"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" - your friendly MIC

#49 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-08-15 12:34 PM | Reply

"and we can thank Joe Biden for that."

No love for George W. Bush, who gave the Taliban millions prior to 9/11?

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 12:35 PM | Reply

Scott,

"I made my statement based on the belief that the majority of the Afghan people didn't want the Taliban in control, but if that's what they want then all will be right soon."

I suspect a major difference between us and them is they are just accustomed to being under religious authority.

Maybe the people who live there actually want a theocractic government and not a democracy.

Been that way for a long long long long long long time.

#51 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-08-15 12:41 PM | Reply

All I'm hearing in the media today is criticism of Biden over Afghanistan. Neoconservatives and Neoliberals alike think we should stay with that mess indefinitely.

#52 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-08-15 12:54 PM | Reply

All that stuff John Kerry said about not having a plan to win the peace was right.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 12:55 PM | Reply

"What has failed in Afghanistan is the Western belief that it can transform illiberal societies"
You mean like Islam?

#43 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

No, like ultra religious societies some of who are Islam...and others are like Christianity in the South.

#54 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-08-15 01:23 PM | Reply

"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."
Donald Rumsfeld

2 decades later...

Are we there yet? Is this what there looks like?

(asking for a friend)

#55 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-08-15 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"We learned some very important lessons in Vietnam. People often ask me, How long will this last?' This particular battlefront will last as long as it takes to bring al-Qaeda to justice. It may happen tomorrow, it may happen a month from now, it may take a year or two. But we will prevail." - George W Bush, October 2001

#56 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-08-15 01:52 PM | Reply

"Our policy was to create a strong central government which was idiotic because Afghanistan does not have a history of a strong central government. The timeframe for creating a strong central government is 100 years, which we didn't have." - told by an unidentified State Department official to government interviewers in 2015.

#57 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-08-15 01:56 PM | Reply

Syc,

"No, like ultra religious societies some of who are Islam...and others are like Christianity in the South."

Tell me where in the South people are forced to worship and obey the Bible?

#58 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-08-15 03:13 PM | Reply

Taliban have entered the presidential palace.

#59 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-08-15 03:15 PM | Reply

Syc,

Tell me where in the South the churches run the government?

Don't pick out some obscure little town but tell me major political groups in power that are controlled by Christian leaders.

#60 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-08-15 03:19 PM | Reply

Just about every elected official in USA is a Christian.

Joe Biden, for example.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 03:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Tell me where in the South people are forced to worship and obey the Bible?"

Being forced to obey The Koran isn't really what the Taliban are all about.

Nothing in The Koran says you can't fly a kite.

Just like nothing in The Bible says you can't get an abortion.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 03:37 PM | Reply

Tell me where in the South people are forced to worship and obey the Bible?

#58 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2021-08-15 03:13 PM | REPLY

they are called "children" bill.

#63 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-08-15 03:37 PM | Reply

If you're not old enough to buy cigarettes you're not old enough for religion.

Anyways, wild to see the US evacuating another embassy by helicopter. Really wish some of my friends that are not with us anymore did not go to that --------.

#64 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-15 03:43 PM | Reply

This is very encouraging for the Trump Taliban in this country.... who are about as Christian as these folks are Muslim; that is, they are both extremist groups who's interpretation of their religion is a in a vast minority world-wide.

#65 | Posted by Corky at 2021-08-15 03:52 PM | Reply

Why would Biden implement a major foreign policy action creating a global crisis without any sort of plan or concern for the fallout or for non military left behind? He wanted us out by Twentieth Anniversary of 9-11 that he thought would look good politically. But then this is something I would expect from Biden as he has done it before in the USA with our southern border. He has created inflation by reckless spending, etc.. That the man has no clue is so sad for those that will pay as yet unknown serious price including Americans whose security may be impacted at home by terrorists crossing our border. Sad they hated Trump because of his mean tweets and personality but he had a good degree of competence. We never learn because many of our politicians are not the best and or are influenced by greed. Biden and Democrats may well need to "brace for brutal loss" at the polls too.

#66 | Posted by Robson at 2021-08-15 04:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

- he had a good degree of competence

His P-grabbing was beyond compare! And his lying and hate-mongering wasn't bad either. What he did for his billionaire class was outstanding!

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2021-08-15 04:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sad they hated Trump because of his mean tweets and personality but he had a good degree of competence.

600,000 dead Americans is a good degree of competence? What nonsense. It's surprising the racist orange turd only lost by 7 million votes.

#68 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-08-15 04:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sad they hated Trump because of his mean tweets and personality but he had a good degree of competence.

Like when he sharpied a hurricane map?

Or when he boarded Air Force One with toilet paper on his shoe?

Or how bout when he blackmailed Ukraine?

I know! When he lead a failed coup!

#69 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-08-15 04:38 PM | Reply

Good God... "Walls of Text" Robson is back?

#70 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-08-15 04:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

No more bounties on the heads of American troops. WINNING!!!!

#71 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-08-15 04:42 PM | Reply

Why would Biden implement a major foreign policy action creating a global crisis without any sort of plan or concern for the fallout or for non military left behind...Sad they hated Trump because of his mean tweets and personality but he had a good degree of competence.
#66 | POSTED BY ROBSON

"Since the US-Taliban agreement was signed early last year, the US really scaled back its airstrikes against the Taliban, though they've picked them back up as the Taliban has gone on their offensive in the last three months. But for most of 2020, and the early months of this year, the US really wasn't bombing the Taliban. That gave them a major reprieve from what had been a really intensive bombing campaign in 2018 and in 2019. The US had almost built up an artificial umbrella of security with the number of planes flying and the number of bombs dropping on the Taliban in the years before now, creating a protective buffer so that Afghan security forces didn't really need to fight. Whenever the Taliban would approach places, there was always US aircraft there to take them out." - Andrew Watkins, International Crisis Group's senior analyst for Afghanistan

So it was Biden who decide to stop the bombing campaign and enter into a peace agreement in 2020?

#72 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-08-15 04:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"600,000 dead Americans is a good degree of competence? "

If you are talking about Covid ddeaths, about 400,000 died while Trump was president... How is he to blame for the ones who died after Biden took office, especially since a vaccine was available then....Infection rates are climbing quickly as we speak.....I guess Biden is using Trump's covid playbook.

#73 | Posted by beachb at 2021-08-15 04:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I guess Biden is using Trump's covid playbook.

Biden didn't botch the vaccine rollout. That was Dotard.

#74 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-08-15 04:53 PM | Reply

"Troops win battles, politicians lose wars."
Same as it's ever been.
If you know someone who did, reach out to a friend who served over there, they may be feeling some type of way seeing their hard fought areas be given up to the enemy.

Can't help but try to imagine how it would feel doing a tour training the ANA, just to have them completely fall apart months after pullout.

#75 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-08-15 04:54 PM | Reply

"Biden didn't botch the vaccine rollout. That was Dotard."

How is Trump to blame for the recent rise which has no end in sight? Or is Biden botching it, too?

#76 | Posted by beachb at 2021-08-15 04:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Anyone who wants a vaccine can get one. MAGAts won't wear masks and won't get vaccinated. This is why the hospitals in red state dung heaps are out of ICU beds.

#77 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-08-15 05:02 PM | Reply

Infection rates began to decline 10 days before Biden took office....That doesn't sound like a botch job to me, escpecailly since the vaccine takes a couple of weeks to be fully effective.

"Anyone who wants a vaccine can get one. MAGAts won't wear masks and won't get vaccinated. "

So no non-"MAGATS" are getting sick with covid now? That is an interesting supposition....do you have data to support this?

#78 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-15 05:06 PM | Reply

Biden was getting more folks vaccinated in a single day than Trump did in an entire month. Trump botched the vaccine rollout beyond belief.

#79 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-08-15 05:17 PM | Reply

"Biden was getting more folks vaccinated in a single day than Trump did in an entire month"

I don't suppose you have data to support that either do you?

I believe Biden's administration is seeing more vaccinations, but that's simply because there is a lot more of it now than when Trump left office. But at a ratio of 30:1? You lie. Prove me wrong.

#80 | Posted by beachb at 2021-08-15 05:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The Trump team had boasted that by Jan. 1, 2021, some 20 million Americans were expected to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Instead, when the New Year rang in, just 3.5 million people had received the shot.

time.com

The Biden administration announced Saturday that the U.S. set a new record for the number of COVID-19 shots administered in one day, inoculating over 4 million people.

thehill.com

#81 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-08-15 05:27 PM | Reply

How is Trump to blame for the recent rise which has no end in sight? Or is Biden botching it, too?
#76 | POSTED BY BEACHB

It's called momentum put in place by Trump as POTUS coupled with 'running interference' put in place by Trump after his loss. Virus mitigation measures were politicized by Trump in many ways, leading to half the population's disinterest in mitigating viral spread. You think that effect was eliminated when Trump left the WH?

You wouldn't happen to be interested in purchasing a bridge, by chance, would you?

#82 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-08-15 05:36 PM | Reply

The Daily Show
@TheDailyShow

2h
The situation in Afghanistan makes America look so bad, Texas has already banned schools from teaching it

#83 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-08-15 06:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

Administration surrounds itself with dem/libbie advisors and political [yes men] senior military officers, what possibly could go wrong................

#84 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-08-15 06:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Trump wanted to quit Afghanistan sooner. It was his one correct policy decision.
Afghanies want the Taliban in charge, so be it.

The whole mission was a grift pulled by the MIC. Slash their funding.

#85 | Posted by bored at 2021-08-15 06:41 PM | Reply

How is Trump to blame for the recent rise which has no end in sight? Or is Biden botching it, too?
#76 | POSTED BY BEACHB

Republicans are reluctant to get the vaccine because that would mean Democrats are right.

How can Biden fix that?

Trump deserves right around 100% of the credit for politicizing the virus and lying about the virus.

So, that's how.

Here's a link:
Tennessee's Former Vax Chief Says Conservatives Avoiding Vaccine 'Out of Spite'
www.google.com

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 07:20 PM | Reply

"If you know someone who did, reach out to a friend who served over there, they may be feeling some type of way seeing their hard fought areas be given up to the enemy."

You voted for us to withdraw, GoNoles:

"On Twitter " the president's most frequent outlet for communication " he started calling for an end to the war in Afghanistan as early as 2011 and continued that push as a candidate. In at least a dozen tweets, Trump criticized the war, sometimes urging Obama to pull out American troops. In other instances, he called the effort a waste of money or of American lives.

"Five years ago to the day Monday, Trump called Afghanistan "a complete waste." He added: "Time to come home!"

So how about you go ---- yourself.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 07:26 PM | Reply

Where was the outrage when Trump announced the signing of his peace treaty with the Taliban and said that the Taliban would be taking control?

"As you know, we've destroyed, in Syria and Iraq, 100 percent of the ISIS caliphate. One hundred percent. We have thousands of prisoners. We have killed ISIS fighters by the thousands - and, likewise, in Afghanistan. But now it's time for somebody else to do that work, and that'll be the Taliban......"??

Skip to 5:26 to hear his statement.

www.c-span.org">

Now Republicans are surprised and outraged that his plan has come to fruition?

#88 | Posted by Fidel_Casserole at 2021-08-15 07:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And ---- your feelings too, GoNoles.

Piece of ----.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 07:55 PM | Reply

LoL, it can't be Biden's fault!

#90 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-15 08:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Administration surrounds itself with dem/libbie advisors and political [yes men] senior military officers, what possibly could go wrong................

#84 | POSTED BY MSGT

I keep asking this question but never seem to get an answer.

What would Trump have done differently and how would it substantively change the outcome?

#91 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-15 08:09 PM | Reply

What would Trump have done differently and how would it substantively change the outcome?

He would have claimed it to be a great victory and his moron fans would have believed it.

#92 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-08-15 08:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What would Trump have done differently and how would it substantively change the outcome?

#91 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-08-15 08:09 PM | REPLY

I keep asking this question, what ------- difference does it make, he's not president? And if he was President, he had thousands of other options. Why do you keep smoking Biden's penis over something that no one else on earth is responsible for, fake doctor?

#93 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-15 08:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

He would have claimed it to be a great victory and his moron fans would have believed it.

#92 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2021-08-15 08:16 PM | REPLY

Another Biden dick smoker.

#94 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-15 08:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#94 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

DR resident homophobe has entered the chat.

#95 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-08-15 08:35 PM | Reply

Now Republicans are surprised and outraged that his plan has come to fruition?
#88 | POSTED BY FIDEL_CASSEROLE

Nah, Republicans are hypocrites; this response was expected from them. Also expected, the warmongering and MIC supporting faction of the left are up in arms that their perpetual, un-ending war philosophy has been put to bed...for now.

The War in Afghanistan, and it's subsequent withdrawal, are both bipartisan efforts. Don't let anyone confuse you. This is truly an example of 'both sides.'

#96 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-08-15 08:39 PM | Reply

The War in Afghanistan, and it's subsequent withdrawal, are both bipartisan efforts. Don't let anyone confuse you. This is truly an example of 'both sides.' #96 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Yep, 20 long years of bipartisan action in AFG. And now one wonders from the US perspective, to what end?
As Gal mentioned, perhaps enabling some of the younger generation a taste of freedom. Slightly curious what the area will be like 20 years from now, when the occupation generation is in their 30s-40s.

#97 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-08-15 08:44 PM | Reply

A taste of freedom via enabling education for women, perhaps an expansion of human rights in some areas.

Now women will be married off to Tali fighters, if they aren't able to escape.

#98 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-08-15 08:46 PM | Reply

I keep asking this question, what ------- difference does it make, he's not president? And if he was President, he had thousands of other options. Why do you keep smoking Biden's penis over something that no one else on earth is responsible for, fake doctor?

#93 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

If there are 1000 options it wouldn't be tough to name one.

And yes, I know he's not President. I'm trying to get you to apply consistent standards. Naming what Trump could have done differently is just that.

If it makes your cooze less weepy why don't you tell me what Biden could have done differently.

#99 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-15 09:06 PM | Reply

As Gal mentioned, perhaps enabling some of the younger generation a taste of freedom. Slightly curious what the area will be like 20 years from now, when the occupation generation is in their 30s-40s.

#97 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

Taste freedumz....then what?

Absent US military presence until the children who never knew the taliban were old enough to take power how would freedumz help them?

They tasted freedumz. Many of them still ended up tasting a 7.62x39 anyway.

#100 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-15 09:09 PM | Reply

I'm trying to get you to apply consistent standards. Naming what Trump could have done differently is just that.

If it makes your cooze less weepy why don't you tell me what Biden could have done differently.

#99 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-08-15 09:06 PM | REPLY | F

No you're not, you're trying to blame this decision made by a president with dementia on someone else because you have nothing else to hang your hat on. Biden is president and every decision he makes belongs to him... period.

#101 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-15 09:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Now women will be married off to Tali fighters, if they aren't able to escape."

Women will be raped and murdered.

Girls will be married off.

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 09:11 PM | Reply

www.mediaite.com

Here's a prime example, fake doctor/fake foreign policy expert.

#103 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-15 09:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I Inherited a Deal Cut By My Predecessor': Biden Issues Statement on Afghanistan, as Taliban Control Spreads

More -------.

#104 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-15 09:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Just like Obama, , takes no responsibility for their inability to interact and fix a situation. Blame shifting losers.

#105 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-15 09:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So the blame for invading Afghanistan-stan-stan* has shifted to Biden, is that how this works?

*RIP Herman Cain.

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 09:24 PM | Reply

So the blame for invading Afghanistan-stan-stan* has shifted to Biden, is that how this works?

*RIP Herman Cain.

#106 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-08-15 09:24 PM | REPLY

Cain is dead and Biden is president. Who else do you want to blame, ------.

#107 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-15 09:28 PM | Reply

Who else do you want to blame, ------.

"------" is kinda harsh on President George W. Bush. But, he's the one who invaded Afghanistan.
(Admittedly, it was at Cheney's bidding. And Cheney certainly certainly isn't ------ed.)

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 09:36 PM | Reply

#104 - you wouldn't think so if it was your kid in that hell hole. Biden is doing the right thing. Trump should have done it during his tenure, but loser that he is, he didn't.

#109 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-15 09:39 PM | Reply

I keep asking this question but never seem to get an answer.

What would Trump have done differently and how would it substantively change the outcome?

#91 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-08-15 08:09 PM | FLAG: Matters not as Trump is not the President that calling the shots.

IMO, we should have evacuated the embassy and the people who supported us first [translators, etc.] and the withdrew the majority of our forces.

#110 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-08-15 10:18 PM | Reply

"------" is kinda harsh on President George W. Bush. But, he's the one who invaded Afghanistan.
(Admittedly, it was at Cheney's bidding. And Cheney certainly certainly isn't retarded.)

#108 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-08-15 09:36 PM | REPLY

No it's not considering that was nearly 20 years ago. There was plenty of time to change course. But you keep doing you and blaming anyone else except your democrat dummies.

#111 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-15 10:23 PM | Reply

Obammy had 8 yeats to do something but chose to continue the collateral damage drone bombing at the behest of Hillary. They even ------ up Libya beyond repair and said "oops"

#112 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-15 10:25 PM | Reply

I think Trump is stupid, incompetent and corrupt. I don't trust a thing that he has been involved with. That said, that does not let Biden off the hook. The quick collapse of Kabul and the horror that is taking place in Afghanistan does not reflect well on America. But as someone said upthread, this likely would've had a similar result 10 years ago or 10 years from now.

#113 | Posted by cbob at 2021-08-15 10:43 PM | Reply

#113 | POSTED BY CBOB AT 2021-08-15 10:43 PM | FLAG:

I hope you feel better now..

#114 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-15 11:09 PM | Reply

No you're not, you're trying to blame this decision made by a president with dementia on someone else because you have nothing else to hang your hat on. Biden is president and every decision he makes belongs to him... period.

#101 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Why can't you answer the question?

I've never said Biden isn't responsible for making the decision.

I'm asking you how it could have gone differently.

Now answer or STFU.

#115 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-15 11:18 PM | Reply

Here's a prime example, fake doctor/fake foreign policy expert.

#103 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Prime example of what? When Biden should have said piss on the deal if that's what he thought?

I agree.

You really are one stupid pile of bloody, worm infested dog ----, aren't you?

#116 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-15 11:21 PM | Reply

Who else do you want to blame, ------.

#107 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Here's an idea.

No one. At least not one specific person.

The situation was ------ for years. Any POTUS making moves to withdrawal would have dealt with this.

You're an idiotic -------- if you think otherwise.

#117 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-15 11:22 PM | Reply

Libertarians have never held elected office. To them, that's their political Kryptonite.

Their party has never done the awful things the Democrats and Republicans do -- because they never get the chance! They never ante up, but they think they ought to win the jackpot.

#118 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 11:23 PM | Reply

What changes when I blame Biden? That's what I'd like to know.

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 11:23 PM | Reply

#119 A neocon gets his wings?

#120 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-08-15 11:25 PM | Reply

A neocon gets his wings?

#120 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

I'll bet you Bellringer is one of those -------- who gets all misty eyed at the 4th of July parade, patronizes servicemen with hollow "thank you for your service" clichs and supported Iraq/Afghanistan 110% until Trump told him not to.

He's a ---- for brains moron who'd sell his mother out if he found out she was a democrat.

#121 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-15 11:28 PM | Reply

I'm asking you how it could have gone differently.

Now answer or STFU.

#115 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-08-15 11:18 PM

Well for starters it could have been handled by someone without dementia. But that was decided by an election. Un like you I stick to what I know. Not a fake doctor or fake foreign policy expert. I don't know but if you ask me about my expertise, I could give the right answer all day long.

#122 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-15 11:31 PM | Reply

dodge.

#123 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-08-15 11:32 PM | Reply

What changes when I blame Biden? That's what I'd like to know.

#119 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-08-15 11:23 PM | REPLY

Nothing? Are you blaming Biden now?

#124 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-15 11:32 PM | Reply

Please tell us.

#125 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-08-15 11:33 PM | Reply

Well for starters it could have been handled by someone without dementia.

You're a ------- idiot.

You don't know ---- about ---- but love running your mouth.

GFY.

#126 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-15 11:35 PM | Reply

Or in this case, the Retort:

A bit of a bummer to realize we struggled for so long in Afghanistan when the answers were all right here on Twitter.

twitter.com

#127 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-08-15 11:35 PM | Reply

Exactly. Nothing changes. But keep huffing, it'll get you high.

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 11:35 PM | Reply

"I don't know but if you ask me about my expertise, I could give the right answer all day long."

How could a feeding unit have fixed Afghanistan?

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-15 11:37 PM | Reply

I wonder how Pakistan's going to feel when theyre invaded by the Taliban.

#130 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-16 01:13 AM | Reply

BELLWINKIE is yet another loser opining about the level of his own loss because once again Biden is coming in to direct fixing up a mess left by a republicl0wn preznit. He has been down this road before.

You screwed up ----------... again... lost another war... again.

#131 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-08-16 08:44 AM | Reply

I'm asking you how it could have gone differently.

#115 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-08-15 11:18 PM | FLAG:

The only way it goes different is war on Pakistan and a return to WW2 grand strategy.

#132 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-16 09:38 AM | Reply

People holding onto C-17s while it's trying to take off... then falling from hundreds of feet in the air.. like it's 9/11...

#133 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-16 09:45 AM | Reply

"The only way it goes different is war on Pakistan and a return to WW2 grand strategy."

We had a Grand Strategy after WWII. FDR, Churchill, and Stalin worked it out.

Republicans were perpetually jealous that FDR got the credit for building the hegemony. Being armchair general geniuses, they decided it wasn't grand enough and convinced themselves that PNAC was even grander.

After that didn't work, Republicans decided taking our toys and going home was grander still. While staging a little coup attempt on the side. Like we used to do to other political parties in our way.

And here we are.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-16 10:02 AM | Reply

Snoofy, great hypothesis. "They're just jealous of FDR's hegemony".

Small problem. It was citizens of US hegemony allies that carried out multiple NY terror attacks culminating in 9/11 and the bi-partisan invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

#135 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-16 10:14 AM | Reply

but hey, we accidentally Beat Communism in the process, so that's a win I guess.

#136 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-16 10:14 AM | Reply

Easy for you to say. Sitting there in your comfy chair. In America.

I wasnt always in this chair with regard to Afghanistan. Have you?

And like Iraq I won't be surprised if we have to go back again someday.

Who is this "we"? Have you ever been to Iraq?

As one of the very few DR posters to have ever been to the cities that are falling because of Biden, I call -------- on your comments.

#137 | Posted by boaz at 2021-08-16 11:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This morning I was in my car about 10 till 8 and turned on NPR.

A topic of discussion was how women are going to be effected in Afghanistan.

They brought on a women with a middle eastern accent.

Her opening sentence was,

"A lot of people have misconceptions about the Taliban...."

(click)

#138 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-08-16 11:51 AM | Reply

"It was citizens of US hegemony allies that carried out multiple NY terror attacks culminating in 9/11 and the bi-partisan invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq."

So?
You think all the citizens of a country always love their country
Is that how you explain 1/6, and people floating here from Cuba?

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-16 12:01 PM | Reply

"A lot of people have misconceptions about the Taliban...."
(click)
#138 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Good thing you shielded yourself from learning anything!

#140 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-16 12:01 PM | Reply

Good thing you shielded yourself from learning anything!

Yea, I bet an 11 year old girl is "learning" about the Taliban right now..

You liberals are scum.

#141 | Posted by boaz at 2021-08-16 12:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"What has failed in Afghanistan is the Western belief that it can transform illiberal societies"

You mean like Islam?

#43 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-08-15 11:56 AM

Bill,

There are degrees of Islam, just as there are degrees of Christianity and Judaism. Why do I sometimes refer to HARD Xtianists as Talibaptists?

I am hoping you'll soon allow Her Noodliness to help you attain enlightenment.

John47

#142 | Posted by john47 at 2021-08-16 12:49 PM | Reply

Yea, I bet an 11 year old girl is "learning" about the Taliban right now..
You liberals are scum.

#141 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Shouldn't she be protecting herself? Only the strong survive, right?

BTW I agree with your statements. I just question whether you're genuine in making them.

#143 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-16 01:20 PM | Reply

So?

#139 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-08-16 12:01 PM | FLAG:

PNAC, all Republicans, and the Dems that went along with it own Iraq.

How quick we forget it seems. This is Afghanistan. A quick reminder, we were attacked by Saudi ex-pats because of US long term foreign policy of hegemony.

No small irony the Taliban is back in charge, and as of 2019 a large number of US troops are stations in Saudi Arabia to check Iran's ambitions. It's almost like we've been here before and it's the price of hegemony and we just get to suck it up and live with it.

#144 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-16 01:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" It's almost like we've been here before and it's the price of hegemony and we just get to suck it up and live with it."

Half your posts here are about how impossible it is to get off oil... even as we are the #1 oil producer in the world, so...

Can you get off leasing oilfields to multinationals for pennies on the dollar, and get on to nationalizing it?

No, you can't. But don't feel bad. Uncle Joe can't either. It would be "bad for business."

#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-16 01:58 PM | Reply

I blame Boaz for this collapse. Had he done his job as he was supposed to do when he was stationed in Afghanistan, none of this would have occurred. Instead he crawled back into civilian life where he suckles off the --- of the taxpayer and blames the Afghani people for the inability of Americans to get the job done. Thanks Boaz. This is exactly the result you were looking for. And now you can blame a Democrat for it.

#146 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-08-16 03:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

No, you can't. But don't feel bad.

#145 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-08-16 01:58 PM | FLAG:

You would love for me to be at the BLM. I'd go full Swanson and wall myself away from work with a nightmarish, unnavigable Labyrinth of Bureaucracy and no permits would ever get issued.

#147 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-16 04:02 PM | Reply

This day was bound to come once we made the decision to invade Afghanistan 20 years ago. We spent lives, years and trillion$ freeing Afghanistan from Taliban rule, propping up their government, training and equipping their troops, education and infrastructure, the list goes on and on.

apnews.com

At some point they had to take control of their own country. Maybe the Afghan people are just weary of war, maybe they prefer the Taliban's strict rule, maybe they're just not ready for anything else. But this day had to come. Too many administrations have been kicking this can down the road. And I'll include the Obama admin in that, I thought the killing of bin Laden in 2011 should have been the catalyst to get us moving out. I agree this withdrawal should have been phased and coordinated better. That being said, I don't believe this CIC overrules his advisors, or at least hasn't publicly stated he knows more than they do. I'm disappointed Biden and his staff didn't anticipate the swift Taliban response.

#148 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-08-16 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We should have gone in, wiped out the terrorist training camps, and withdrawn by 2004. All we had to do was tell the Afghanistan people "get your crap together" on our way back out. If terrorists camps start popping up again? We wipe them off the map again. There SSD never a need for long term stability operations in a place where stability doesn't and can't exist.

#149 | Posted by ABH at 2021-08-16 05:52 PM | Reply

146 | POSTED BY MODER8

Troops win battles, politicians lose wars, and voters forget. Same as it ever was.

#150 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-08-16 09:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The guaranteed way to create permanent change in human beings is to condition them for three generations.

A generation is about 20 - 30 years.

We would need to stay there 60 - 90 years.

We stayed 20.

More than we should have.

Less than needed to guarantee continued western / liberal mentality in the nation.

#151 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-08-17 05:12 PM | Reply

"The guaranteed way to create permanent change in human beings is to condition them for three generations."

This is also why Trumpers will be with us until Trump is dead, and his kids are dead.

#152 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-17 05:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Again.

I'm sure conservatives miss the irony of being upset the Taliban are reclaiming the nation by killing off the liberals and moderates.

When they themselves would love nothing more than to do the same here in America.

#153 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-08-17 05:14 PM | Reply

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