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Wednesday, August 18, 2021

If there is any time left before war crimes start to take place the only organizations that could stabilize the region is the United Nations.

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Doesn't seem particularly unstable to me...

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-17 08:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The people falling off planes beg to differ.

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-17 08:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That's a lot more common than you seem to realize.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-17 09:00 PM | Reply

Yea. Sure they can. The UN has such a wonderful track record in doing these sort of things.

#4 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-17 09:07 PM | Reply

The Soviets and the US couldn't do ---- in that hell hole in 30 years, but the UN thinks they can.

Comedy Central stuff right there.

#5 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-17 09:10 PM | Reply

Good point Jackie we should just leave it alone and let everyone suffer and give ourselves medals for having done nothing.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-17 09:22 PM | Reply

And no people falling off the wings of planes is not normal.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-17 09:23 PM | Reply

#6 - Done nothing? We were there for 20 years. How many more decades should we stay? How many more American body bags in your opinion?

#8 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-17 09:26 PM | Reply

Nice try Jackie but you don't get to put words in my mouth.

I have only talked about stabilizing the country apparently you want violent Anarchy.

#9 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-17 09:29 PM | Reply

"And no people falling off the wings of planes is not normal."

It's not.
But it's an isolated event.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-17 09:38 PM | Reply

For ----- sake, the US is NOT the world's police force. And I will never vote for a candidate who thinks we are.

#11 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-17 09:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#9 -You accuse me of putting words in your mouth, then in the same post say, "...apparently you want violent Anarchy."

All I have ever said is I want American troops home on American soil. I never said anything about wanting anarchy. If that's what happens, so be it. That doesn't mean I want it.

You do not get to put words into my mouth either, Tor.

#12 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-17 09:47 PM | Reply

#8 - I forgot to add I liked your veiled put down by feminizing my name. A liberal wouldn't do that. A progressive or conservative would, however.

#13 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-17 09:49 PM | Reply

Oh so you don't want Anarchy? How do you propose that be avoided?

#14 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-17 09:51 PM | Reply

It probably can't be avoided.

For the second time, if that's what happens, so be it. It doesn't mean I want it.

Stop it, snoofy.

#15 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-17 09:52 PM | Reply

Your fatalism is other people's fatality.

#16 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-17 09:59 PM | Reply

"#8 - I forgot to add I liked your veiled put down by feminizing my name. A liberal wouldn't do that. A progressive or conservative would, however."

Using the nickname "Jackie" is feminizing your name? Nah. No more than Billy or Joey are feminizations of William and Joseph. Here's a question for the peanut gallery: Would a liberal make such a silly accusation?

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-08-17 10:03 PM | Reply

Jackie Robinson, Jackie Gleason, Jackie Mason, Jackie Chan.

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-08-17 10:06 PM | Reply

"Your fatalism is other people's fatality."

Descartes, right?

Regardless, you and Descartes(?) are right. It's been that way since man crawled out of caves.

Greatest example is the US, 5% of the people on the planet consuming 20%s of the planet's resources, obviously condemning millions to a fatal end (Chinese goods, anyone? That coffee you drink every day?
They don't come without a human cost)

Countering this is a reason to continuing pouring money and American lives into Afghanistan, in your opinion?

You may call it fatalism. I call it reality.

#19 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-17 10:06 PM | Reply

A liberal wouldn't ... A progressive would

Educate yourself,

Progressivism is a political philosophy in support of social reform.[1] Based on the idea of progress in which advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organization are vital to the improvement of the human condition,

In the 21st century, progressives continue to favour public policy that reduces or ameliorates the harmful effects of economic inequality as well as systemic discrimination such as institutional racism; to advocate for environmentally conscious policies as well as for social safety nets and workers' rights; and to oppose the negative externalities inflicted on the environment and society by monopolies or corporate influence on the democratic process.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), democracy, secularism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion and a market economy.

en.m.wikipedia.org


Most liberals are progressive.

Likewise.

Most progressives and liberal.

You and Boaz sound ignorant when you blame either group for your misconceptions of who they are.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-08-17 10:08 PM | Reply

#18 - so you are seriously pretending he wasn't feminizing my name? Sure, thing. He probably really meant he was comparing meto someone like Jackie Robinson. Thank you, Gal_tuesday.

#21 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-17 10:10 PM | Reply

"so you are seriously pretending he wasn't feminizing my name?"

I didn't think he was, no. But I could be wrong. Tor, what say you? Was your use of "Jackie" meant to cast Jakester's online persona in a girlie light?

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-08-17 10:19 PM | Reply

Nicknames can be used to show affection, but generally adding a "y/ie" ending to a man's name is more and adolescent-ifying move than a feminizing one, IMO.

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-08-17 10:22 PM | Reply

To be clear, I don't care. I don't think it's an insult be called a woman. But it's like the progressive who likes to call someone ----- as a pejorative, then virtue signal (first time to use this overused phrase here or anywhere) that he is sooooo pro gay rights.

No need to lead the witness on my account.

#24 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-17 10:24 PM | Reply

Tor can be called a lot of things.

A progressive isn't one of them.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-17 10:28 PM | Reply

"No need to lead the witness on my account."

Not at all. Maybe Tor was doing what you say. Just because I didn't see it that way doesn't mean you aren't right. If so, I hope he is honest enough to admit it.

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-08-17 10:30 PM | Reply

"Tor can be called a lot of things.
A progressive isn't one of them."

LOL True.

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-08-17 10:31 PM | Reply

The victim mentality remains intact.

People really can't hide who they are. What's surprising is why they would return after being banned.

But then again, I suppose that's not at all surprising since I just said, people can't hide who they really are.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-17 10:31 PM | Reply

#26 - and I believe you. You are one of the very few (single digits) here who would admit to a misspoken word, in my humble opinion.

#29 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-17 10:32 PM | Reply

it's like the progressive who likes to call someone ----- as a pejorative

----- as a pejorative? What is this? The 60s?

You realize ----- is the Q on LGBTQ, right?

Also.

You still aren't using the term progressive properly.

But. Hey.

You do you.

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-08-17 10:38 PM | Reply

I like how far afield this thread got.

I seriously doubt the UN's ability to stabilize the region. The Taliban finally got power back they aren't going to give it up that easily.

The UN might be able to keep the atrocities to a minimum though.

#31 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2021-08-17 10:49 PM | Reply

Not to take sides about femininizing but frankly, I don't see any relationship between the names Jake and Jack . . . or Jake and Jackie.

They both have completely different origins including derivatives of their given name and both are masculine. So I don't know where the femininizing charge is coming from.

#32 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-08-17 10:55 PM | Reply

Are we sure there are going to be extensive atrocities? The Taliban is seeming kind of restrained at this point. The Viet Cong did not go wild with murders and mayhem after Saigon fell. There was some shooting but not widespread massacres.

Maybe they will be more reasonable than we think.

They're not the Islamic State.

#33 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-08-18 10:36 AM | Reply

Just think- if the US didn't give Saddam the greenlight to invade Kuwait in the first place this never would've happened.

#34 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2021-08-18 10:48 AM | Reply

Can everyone let me know when Tor starts posting from Afghanistan?

Thanks in advance.

#35 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2021-08-18 10:49 AM | Reply

Well no offense to anyone but Humanitarian assistance is probably going to be about as well received as in the past under the Taliban. They say they have changed but so many reports of their activities in earlier taken areas would indicate not much has changed in truth.

#36 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-08-18 06:38 PM | Reply

Joe Biden created a humanitarian disaster in Afghanistan
--Trumpers

No way we're letting Muslim refugees into America
--Also Trumpers

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-18 07:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Are we sure there are going to be extensive atrocities? The Taliban is seeming kind of restrained at this point.

You should have your account shut down just for posting that.

#38 | Posted by boaz at 2021-08-19 05:18 PM | Reply

Sorry this is a lost cause. We have our own issues at home. Time to stop being the world police.

#39 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-08-20 10:10 AM | Reply

And no people falling off the wings of planes is not normal.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-17 09:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

No it's not and it is a tragedy.

#40 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-08-20 10:24 AM | Reply

Maybe they will be more reasonable than we think.

No they won't.

They are just waiting till the last US plane leaves before they start committing atrocities.

Hell, they already are executing Afghan soldiers.

Right now they are gathering lists of the Afghanis that were working with the US and will start the hunt soon.

#41 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-08-20 10:27 AM | Reply

OMG! We just gave them 20 years of humanitarian intervention. Just ask any of the warmongers who promised a casting aside of the burqas and teaching them how to use a proper flush toilet that you sit on in the 21st century... for the love of Jesuuuuussssss!! We created a welfare state over there so we couldn't have one here.

In the end... opium flowed... so we blamed it all on the people from Honduras, Mexico... who are capitalists anyways so they can handle it.

#42 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-08-20 10:37 AM | Reply

Right now they are gathering lists of the Afghanis that were working with the US and will start the hunt soon.

#41 | POSTED BY NIXON AT 2021-08-20 10:27 AM | FLAG: HEAVY SIGH

There is never a graceful exit from war except in fables... and history books written during the "advertising age" where a nation wishes to push an agenda during a time of unprecedented literacy.

and I remember all the moaning and gnashing of teeth when we left Vietnam and the crap that followed.

Now Vietnam is a tourist destination and trading partner... when we left them alone and in spite of things like the continuing legacy of land mines left there by us.

You think leaving parts of Japan a nuclear wasteland was pretty? The fallout from that went on for years... decades.

I don't care who was president this was/is going to suck.

To those pigs among us set to whine mode for an influx of Afghani refugees with Muslim affiliations... all I can say is GFY... you broke it.

#43 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-08-20 10:52 AM | Reply

You know this is something I never thought of:

Chris "Cal" Carnahan
@xtrixcyclex

One thing the collapse did was to spare tens of thousands of lives that would have been lost in a protracted civil war and the destruction of even the basic infrastructure they do have. This fear expressed earlier in the summer by provincial governors.

twitter.com

What would have happened if the army hadn't surrendered, and we left as planned? Food for thought.

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-08-20 11:11 AM | Reply

"Right now they are gathering lists of the Afghanis that were working with the US and will start the hunt soon."

We had Nuremberg Trials, why can't they have Nuremberg Trials?

There were good people on both sides.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-20 11:21 AM | Reply

There is nothing Progressive about abandoning these people to be brutalized.

An orderly transition is needed.

#46 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-20 11:22 AM | Reply

"There is nothing Progressive about abandoning these people to be brutalized."

There was nothing progressive about invading them to brutalize them in the first place.

Sometimes there aren't good choices. Don't you know that?

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-20 11:35 AM | Reply

#48 - It does nat matter if the transition is orderly or not. In a few weeks it will be the same -------- ruled by the Taliban either way

#48 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-20 12:06 PM | Reply

In a few weeks it will be the same -------- ruled by the Taliban either way

#48 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

In a few weeks it will be forgotten by most Americans.

Like the war has been for the last 20 years.

Until the next terrorist attack that originates from there that is.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-08-20 12:35 PM | Reply

Oh look The Foreigner is saying America is doomed yet again

#50 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-20 12:55 PM | Reply

I just honestly do not know what a "humanitarian intervention" would look like. Seriously. What does that even mean in these circumstances?

#51 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-08-20 02:40 PM | Reply

"I just honestly do not know what a "humanitarian intervention" would look like."

We have been intervening with them humans in Afghanistan for the last 20 years. That IS what it looks like. Now it's timed for American to un-intervene in that mess.

Sorry it is not a very satisfying answer.

Afghanistan is where empires go to die.

We were lucky to only lose ~2000 American lives in the "intervention".

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-08-20 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What a stupid headline.

The intervention started 20 friggin' years ago.

#53 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-08-20 03:56 PM | Reply

Check it out Roger angry dad thinks your headline is stupid.

#54 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-20 04:05 PM | Reply

The military intervention started 20 years ago. The humanitarian intervention is just getting under way. This time it will be completely different and have much better results.

#55 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-08-20 04:12 PM | Reply

Republicans have been destroying the UN ever since its inception, so the world" has never been fully up to what's needed now or in the past.

#56 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-08-20 04:30 PM | Reply

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