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Friday, August 27, 2021

ISIS-K's main goal right now is to stay politically relevant, disrupt efforts to stabilize the country, and also undermine the Afghan Taliban's credibility -- through high-profile terrorism, Amira Jadoon, an ISIS-K expert at the U.S. Military Academy, told the Post.

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As I said in another thread a couple days ago... the situation in Afghanistan is going to get worse before it gets better. And it may not get better....

The country has no government to speak of. It looks like whoever has the most guns comes out ahead.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-08-27 12:06 PM | Reply

"It looks like whoever has the most guns comes out ahead."

Oh, just the way Boaz wants America....

#2 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-27 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We should step aside and let nature take its course. Let the will of the people decide.

#3 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-08-27 12:15 PM | Reply

Aren't they getting quite a bit of help from the US in the form of tons of military hardware that the US is leaving behind?

#4 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-27 12:16 PM | Reply

Aren't they getting quite a bit of help from the US in the form of tons of military hardware that the US is leaving behind?

#4 | POSTED BY JAKESTER AT 2021-08-27 12:16 PM | FLAG:

They can fire the Blackhawk up and taxi it around but they can't actually get off the ground in it.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-27 12:19 PM | Reply

I'm sure they can fire the guns, launch the mortars', drive the vehicles, though.

#6 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-27 12:21 PM | Reply

They can't maintain anything but the basic AR. An MRAP isn't made by Toyota lol.

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-27 12:34 PM | Reply

Things are going to get really interesting when the Taliban realizes it doesn't really have any control over most of the country and that its neighbors effectively gained control of whatever they wanted the moment the Americans left.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-27 05:15 PM | Reply

#6 do you really think that after two decades of fighting they don't have enough weapons?

Concern over the equipment left there is overblown.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-27 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I was driving back from vacation today and was catching up on the situation by listening to news radio most of the way.

For about ten minutes I was wondering if there was a possibility that we'd see a US-Taliban alliance of sorts to stamp out a bigger threat.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-27 09:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#10 ... I was wondering if there was a possibility that we'd see a US-Taliban alliance of sorts ...

Once Enemies, U.S. and Taliban Find Common Ground Against ISIS
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...After fighting each other for 20 years, the U.S. and Taliban are suddenly finding their interests aligned against a common enemy -- but their own bloody history stands in the way of eliminating the threat. ...

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-08-27 09:44 PM | Reply

"Concern over the equipment left there is overblown.
#9 | POSTED BY JPW"

Oh watts the difference!? They'll never figure out how our night vision works..or the drones.

#12 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-08-27 11:05 PM | Reply

Those of you portending disaster for Afghanistan seem to forget it has been around several thousand years. It was part of the "Silk Road" 1200 years ago. It has risen from the ashes several times since Alexander the Great.

The Persians ran it for a while.

Not saying it is going to be good.

but really... it's time for us to get over ourselves... we are but a zit on their long history... it's not where I want to live but the people there love their homeland enough to kick out unwanted foreigners.

#13 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-08-27 11:18 PM | Reply

@#12 ... They'll never figure out how our night vision works..or the drones. ..

Why do you make that assertion?


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-08-27 11:24 PM | Reply

Those of you portending disaster for Afghanistan seem to forget it has been around several thousand years.

Afghanistan's big advantage is that it's landlocked. No coast to invade. No beachhead. Immune from even the most powerful navies of the world.

You can only move so much by air. The Ferengi/oops I meant Pakistan bilked the US out of $Billions just to rent their road access.

#15 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-08-27 11:29 PM | Reply

Why do you make that assertion?

He doesn't think opium money can buy trainers.

#16 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-08-27 11:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If we can find common ground and work towards common goals for long enough we may actually achieve something in Afghanistan that has never been achieved before.

#17 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-28 01:19 AM | Reply

The U.S. worked with and armed the Mujaheddin, which became the Taliban, for 10 years against the Russians. ISIS-K have put themselves squarely in the well armed Taliban's cross hairs.

#18 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-08-28 03:08 AM | Reply

JPW @ #10

" I was wondering if there was a possibility that we'd see a US-Taliban alliance of sorts ..."

I was thinking the same thing. Mutual self-interests make allies out of former enemies.

Since America isn't very good a low tech guerilla warfare, I can't foresee any advantage to joint exercises with the Taliban on the ground. They seem to handle that quite nicely on their own and probably prefer it that way.

The only area where the U.S. might be useful in an alliance (from afar) is with high tech satellite surveillance and cyber intelligence gathering. The Taliban seems to be a lot more politically sophisticated than they were 20 years. Such an alliance would be advantageous to both the U.S. and the Taliban so I can see where it's possible.

#19 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-08-28 05:33 AM | Reply

#17 - getting in bed with the devil is not a good thing considering their horrible human rights abuses against women and infidels. But America sold out those values for cheap Chinese trinkets a long time ago, so who knows?

#20 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-28 05:38 AM | Reply

JAKESTER

" getting in bed with the devil is not a good thing considering their horrible human rights abuses against women and infidels. "

That's Afghanistan's problem.

America's problem is putting a knee to the neck of ISIS.

As I said, mutual self interests.

#21 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-08-28 05:51 AM | Reply

we may actually achieve something in Afghanistan that has never been achieved before.

#17 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2021-08-28 01:19 AM | FLAG: EH?

What exactly do you think should be achieved? To what end? Honestly, 90% of the world's opium comes from there. They obviously have a commodity worth as much as oil considering we've spent two decades there trying to bend them to our will because looking at them gives us the ickies.

Why do we insist on the achievement of some altruistic goal or that their behavior be different than what we tolerate from the leaders of oil-producing Arab nations and we while have junkies dying every 17 minutes?

Personally, I think we need to go after the Sacklers with the same fervor. Instead, we've used up 20 years protecting the interests/suppliers of those that betray us from within.

#22 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-08-28 06:45 AM | Reply

"Why do you make that assertion?
#14 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER"

It was not assertion.
It was Sarcasm.
Of course they will use the equipment left behind.

#23 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-08-28 09:01 AM | Reply

Oh watts the difference!? They'll never figure out how our night vision works..or the drones.

#12 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

You do realize you can buy high quality night vision equipment for a few thousand dollars, right?

shop.opticsplanet.com

Don't let ignorance get in the way of your fauxrage, though.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-28 01:56 PM | Reply

Of course they will use the equipment left behind.

#23 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

Much of which either

A. They already have from either capture or purchase of similar tech from other sources.

B. Can get on an open market.

You're just a gullible rube slurping up the kool aid.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2021-08-28 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Opium has some legitimate medical uses.

If it can be grown in Afghanistan cheaper than anywhere else let them grow it and sell it for legitimate purposes.

I could actually see there being a law stating that opium can only be grown on government land and any property found to have an opium grow operation automatically becomes government property.

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-28 02:06 PM | Reply

#26 ceptin we don't like their government.

#27 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-08-28 02:11 PM | Reply

Their government is not fully formed and all the information available implies that the peoples are going to be running the country don't have a clue what all they're going to have to do.

A World Market for opium that could be open if they play nice maybe just the Leverage the Civilized world needs.

#28 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-28 02:18 PM | Reply

Fentanl free gaurantee works for me.

#29 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-08-28 02:39 PM | Reply

Personally, I think we should be growing our own opium and cut out the middle tyrant. People will do it one way or another. Let junkies be junkies. Limit the sorts of jobs they are allowed to do like being a pilot, brain surgeon.... etc.

If they get arrested for being stupid no excuses. Drugs aren't done because of a blah blah... rather they happen in addition to it. Addicts don't get to plead insanity or what have you. Attaining "rehabilitation" should have no ego-tripping attached to it. You don't get strokes because you finally got around to acting appropriately. It is expected of you not to be a 4-kup... on general principles... so not acting like a turd is its own reward.

Also to sit there and pontificate about Afghanistan turning legit with opium... they already are... have been selling it on the open market for a long time. Personally, I think Big Pharma business was playing us the same way Big Petrol does keeping us in the ME fracas... because business likes government interference that doesn't cut into their profits.

#30 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-08-28 03:31 PM | Reply

"Much of which either
A. They already have from either capture or purchase of similar tech from other sources."

Like they are buying Blackhaws helicopters?
Ignoranus.

#31 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-08-28 05:23 PM | Reply

#24 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-08-28 01:56 PM | FLAG:

Not from America. We do control the export of NV.

Export Restrictions Warning: Export of U.S. manufactured night vision equipment is strictly prohibited without a valid export license issued by the U.S. Department of State Office of Defense Trade Controls, in accordance with International Traffic in Arms (ITAR), Title 22, Code of Federal Regulations Part 120-130, and/ ...

The real issue for them is that US equipment is designed for US logistics and culture. The Taliban don't have it and never will. They can't just pop in to the PX for a ---- ton of AAs.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-28 05:31 PM | Reply

It also takes a considerable amount of training to be combat effective with night vision, light amp & thermal. If you just try to strap it on and go fight you will quickly be killed by somebody without night vision but superior field craft.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-28 05:35 PM | Reply

#33 - the training is easy to come by, but the hardware shouldn't be.

#34 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-28 05:37 PM | Reply

Even if the Taliban can't learn to fly the left behind helicopters, I'll bet they would have no qualms about selling them to the Chinese or Russians so they can reverse engineer them.

#35 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-28 05:44 PM | Reply

I'll bet the Chinese and Russians would love to get their hands on one of the drones left behind.

#36 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-28 05:47 PM | Reply

"superior field craft."

Field craft is where most snipers fail sniper school.

Point and click is the easy part.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-28 06:07 PM | Reply

#33 - the training is easy to come by, but the hardware shouldn't be.

#34 | POSTED BY JAKESTER AT 2021-08-28 05:37 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I'd posit that it's not that easy to come by and most people in fact teaching it are tacticool frauds.

On hardware, US hardware sure you can steal it happens everywhere but it's not easy to maintain. They're not going to have eyepieces, tubes, etc. If they want NVG they can buy China hardware much cheaper.

#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-28 06:36 PM | Reply

Field craft is where most snipers fail sniper school.

Point and click is the easy part.

#37 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-08-28 06:07 PM | FLAG:

From personal experience, finding people that want to be found, at night using 3rd generation hardware is challenging enough as it is.

Finding people that don't want to be found and shoot at noise, with your own weapon flash washing out your optics forcing the circuit protection on, while trying not to trip over everything, navigating with a drinking straw sized field of view, and when you take off the nods you are now completely night blind.. it's something else entirely.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-28 06:38 PM | Reply

#39 Sounds about right.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-28 06:49 PM | Reply

I'll bet they would have no qualms about selling them to the Chinese or Russians so they can reverse engineer them.

Why would Russia or China want to "reverse engineer" a UH-60. A plain helicopter?

I'm sure they didnt get the stealth version. Russia and China have some of the best airframes in the business.

#41 | Posted by boaz at 2021-08-29 05:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#41 Because he's trolling.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-29 05:25 AM | Reply

#31 - "Why would Russia or China want to "reverse engineer" a UH-60. A plain helicopter?"

To study it's weaponry for one. Duh.

#43 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-29 08:28 AM | Reply

To study it's weaponry for one.

Small arms? I think they already have those as well.

#44 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-08-29 11:08 AM | Reply

#44 - I'm pretty sure a helicopter -- which I was clearly referring to -- is not considered a small arm.

Was that a lame troll, or what?

#45 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-29 11:59 AM | Reply

China already has agreements to produce the MD500 the loh's are based on.

Their Harbin Z-20 is already a knockoff of the export model of the Black Hawk. There's nothing new to learn.

#46 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-29 01:29 PM | Reply

The military does really plan for "What if this falls in enemy hands?". I promise. It's why we have export controls.

#47 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-29 01:30 PM | Reply

He's not going to give up on what he feels is a premium trolling opportunity.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-29 01:33 PM | Reply

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