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Sunday, August 29, 2021

A US drone strike in the Afghan capital Kabul has prevented another deadly suicide attack at the airport, US military officials say.

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"His comments came after multiple reports of a loud explosion heard near Kabul airport. Some images posted on social media showed black clouds of smoke rising into the air above buildings."

Sounds like this was a just-in-time delivery.

Regardless of how you feel about our invasion and failed nation building mission in Afghanistan, attacking an army in retreat is remarkably ------.

Like when the United States attacked Iraq's retreating army on the Highway of Death during Desert Storm. All we did was kill people who were no threat to us en.m.wikipedia.org

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-29 07:05 PM | Reply

That probably messed up what was supposed to be a good day for the cave dwellers.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-08-29 10:34 PM | Reply

Biden's Fault!(tm)

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2021-08-29 11:14 PM | Reply

Biden's Fault!(tm)

People are saying Joe threw the Hellfire missile by hand while standing on the skid of Marine 1.

I don't know it it's true...

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-08-29 11:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

That's not a hellfire missle from cho.
He just dug something out of his depends and threw it.

#5 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-08-30 07:44 AM | Reply

He just dug something out of his depends and threw it.

Even better. Saved $150,000 on a missile. Good to see fiscally responsible people in charge.

#6 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-08-30 08:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

People are saying Joe threw the Hellfire missile by hand while standing on the skid of Marine 1.
I don't know it it's true...

#4 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2021-08-29 11:17 PM | FLAG:

"Nine family members, including children, killed in US strike in Kabul targeting suspected ISIS-K suicide bomber"

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-30 11:06 AM | Reply

Good thing he blew up that 2 year old. She was a serious threat to us.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-30 11:07 AM | Reply

"Good thing he blew up that 2 year old. She was a serious threat to us."

This attitude is why wars like Afghanistan and Vietnam are unwinnable. People wring their hands and cry crocodile tears about an innocent person dying. In WW2, this didn't happen. If Afghanistan and Vietnam wars were fought like WW2, the US would have won.

#9 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-30 11:19 AM | Reply

I have a lot of books on WW2. Logistics, strategy, harrowing personal accounts of civilians, soldiers that really enjoyed it, etc.

One thing I've never found in those is where killing a random 2 year old was the key to victory. Seems more like a war of systems.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-30 11:34 AM | Reply

"One thing I've never found in those is where killing a random 2 year old was the key to victory. "

That was certainly a grossly disingenuous twisting of my post.

#11 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-30 11:42 AM | Reply

"If Afghanistan and Vietnam wars were fought like WW2, the US would have won."

I don't see how.

We dropped 2x more bombs on Vietnam than we did in both theaters of WWII.

In both Vietnam and Afghanistan, they simply outlasted us.

Just like they outlasted the French and the Russians before us, respectively.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-30 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In both Vietnam and Afghanistan, they simply outlasted us.

There is an advantage in not having anything in your country worth bombing.

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-08-30 11:54 AM | Reply

"One thing I've never found in those is where killing a random 2 year old was the key to victory."

Well said.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-30 11:55 AM | Reply

Good thing he blew up that 2 year old. She was a serious threat to us.

Yes. Obviously they targeted the 2 year old and the carload of suicide bombers was just an accident.

Sheesh.

#15 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-08-30 12:01 PM | Reply

You know who he is, where is he is, and what he's planning enough to justify an execution strike.

If you want to win a heart and mind or two in the process, maybe wait until they get out of the car before sending the R9X his way.

Slaughtering his entire family is bad optics.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-30 12:06 PM | Reply

"If you want to win a heart and mind or two in the process, maybe wait until they get out of the car before sending the R9X his way."

I'm pretty sure that winning a war and winning the hearts and minds of your enemy are mutually exclusive.

#17 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-30 12:10 PM | Reply

Nicht wahr, says the formerly German scientists and engineers..

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-30 12:19 PM | Reply

"In both Vietnam and Afghanistan, they simply outlasted us."

Not really.

In WWII, the allies were willing to kill every last inhabitant of Germany and Japan if that's what it came down to. Including all the babies.

The US never carpet bombed entire cities in Vietnam or Afghanistan.

Do you think either would have resisted had the US dropped a nuclear weapon? The Japanese strategy was to fight to the last remaining person. They surrendered because they realized that last remaining person would be dying unnecessarily, and would have represented the death of the Japanese culture writ-large.

The Vietnamese, and even the Taliban were never even remotely committed to dying for such a cause.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-30 03:10 PM | Reply

"Yes. Obviously they targeted the 2 year old and the carload of suicide bombers was just an accident."

The other side being that, if you don't want the US to attack you, make sure you take a two-year old everywhere you go.

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-30 03:11 PM | Reply

"The US never carpet bombed entire cities in Vietnam or Afghanistan."

This was basically my point when I said if Afghanistan and Vietnam were fought like WW2, we would have won, and won fairly quickly.

#21 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-30 03:14 PM | Reply

"In WWII, the allies were willing to kill every last inhabitant of Germany and Japan if that's what it came down to. Including all the babies."

^
Only if by "The Allies" you mean "The USSR."

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-30 03:15 PM | Reply

"The US never carpet bombed entire cities in Vietnam or Afghanistan."

So?

Are you saying carpet boming entire cities is why we won WWII?

Furthermore, are you saying nuking Kabul would be seen as winning?

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-30 03:17 PM | Reply

"This was basically my point when I said if Afghanistan and Vietnam were fought like WW2, we would have won, and won fairly quickly."

Another variation of this game is to stage your war and hide your munitions in a mosque. Then when the US bombs it you scream how your holy building was attacked.

Different combatants, but same preinciple

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#24 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-30 03:20 PM | Reply

"Only if by "The Allies" you mean "The USSR."

And the US.

And the UK.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-30 03:20 PM | Reply

"Are you saying carpet boming entire cities is why we won WWII?"

Dresden.

#26 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-30 03:21 PM | Reply

Put your C3 infrastructure on top of a huge dual use office building, then scream how your holy Capitalism was attacked.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-30 03:21 PM | Reply

Dresden, what about it?
Dresden had zero military value.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-30 03:22 PM | Reply

"Furthermore, are you saying nuking Kabul would be seen as winning?"

Winning?

It depends what you mean.

Given the choice between death or capitulation, many supporters of the Taliban would have chosen the latter.

But they never had to make that choice.

And unlike WWII, today it's unlikely that dropping a nuke on anyone would not solicit a forceful international response.

But yes, in a completely binary sense, the US (and the Russians, and the UK, and others) had/have the ability to apply military pressure in such a way that the Taliban would give up. You could have them eating pork chops and chugging Budweiser if the alternative was dying.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-30 03:25 PM | Reply

"Dresden had zero military value."

Which is why it was never bombed?

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-30 03:25 PM | Reply

"Winning?
It depends what you mean."

In that case, who's to say we didn't already win in Afghanistan and Vietnam.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-30 03:37 PM | Reply

#30 Explain how bombing Dresden helped win the war.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-30 03:37 PM | Reply

But yes, in a completely binary sense, the US (and the Russians, and the UK, and others) had/have the ability to apply military pressure in such a way that the Taliban would give up. You could have them eating pork chops and chugging Budweiser if the alternative was dying.

#29 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2021-08-30 03:25 PM | FLAG:

Their use of suicide bombing attacks has them on par with the Imperial Japanese forces as far as being gung ho to go die.

but after Tora Bora they were in Pakistan. So what you are really talking about is nuking a country with 165 nuclear weapons.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-30 03:41 PM | Reply

#29 Or they would pretend to give up.
Then develop a virus and a vaccine with microchips that would kill all recipients on a two year delay.

Wars harm everyone involved until the horror and destruction result in surrender.

If you think a strong military will protect you, consider that the next world war might be started in an underground lab.

#34 | Posted by bored at 2021-08-30 03:46 PM | Reply

"#30 Explain how bombing Dresden helped win the war."

It showed the German people that they were never going to be safe so long as the war continued. That it wasn't just soldiers who could die. It was everyone.

Even two-year olds.

More importantly, it showed the government. And even in Japan, a country that was committed to it's own demise, reversed course when it was realized that the demise would come at little to no cost to their adversary.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-30 04:00 PM | Reply

"If you think a strong military will protect you, consider that the next world war might be started in an underground lab."

Like in Wuhan?

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-30 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It showed the German people that they were never going to be safe so long as the war continued. That it wasn't just soldiers who could die. It was everyone.

#35 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2021-08-30 04:00 PM | FLAG:

So the first 8 major cities that were extensively bombed didn't get that message across?

and Japan and the US both expected a million casualties to be inflicted on invasion force. "Would it not be wondrous for this whole nation to be destroyed like a beautiful flower?" -Anami, after being nuked twice and every significant city firebombed. Many Japanese preferred being exterminated to losing. We had a little foresight in whom we spared, namely the Emperor that was given the choice. Half the cabinet did not want it. It caused a coup attempt.

#37 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-30 04:17 PM | Reply

There you have it
Madplumber and jakester, two expert but anonymous military geniuses agree

We didn't kill enough children
If only we had killed more we would have won, (something)

Good grief

#38 | Posted by Chieftutmoses at 2021-08-30 04:20 PM | Reply

and speaking of Dresden, and my books of personal civilian accounts...

The elderly German man that brought the charred chunk of spinal column that was left of his wife to the Catholic church for burial. How much influence on the collapse of the regime do you think that man had?

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-30 04:38 PM | Reply

This is the thread where the "the problem is just the bad people and not the gun" chanters change the tune and advocate on just killing everyone

Cause that's how you win, (something, apparently)

#40 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-08-30 04:50 PM | Reply

The best Dresden story is Slaughterhouse 5 . (Schlachthof Funf)

#41 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-30 04:56 PM | Reply

"How much influence on the collapse of the regime do you think that man had?"

I think that he probably blamed the regime for death of his wife. Who else would be to blame?

Have you ever seen the pcitures of the German citizens and Service Members who were forced to face the concentration camps?

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-30 10:35 PM | Reply

"It showed the German people that they were never going to be safe so long as the war continued. That it wasn't just soldiers who could die. It was everyone.
Even two-year olds."

So? They were drafting twelve year olds by 1945.

Your fable is a complete non sequitur to how the war actually ended, a fever dream out of Conan The Barbarian

The war did not end until Berlin fell to the Soviet and Hiter ate 9mm of his own Luger for breakfast.

Dresden had literally nothing to do with the how or the why the war ended.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-30 10:46 PM | Reply

Have you ever seen the pcitures of the German citizens and Service Members who were forced to face the concentration camps?

#42 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2021-08-30 10:35 PM | REPLY

Blame & influence are very far apart.

Indeed I have seen those reels. People shocked at a secret program they had little to no knowledge of. Some of them were like Trumpers, watching something in complete disbelief because there kind would never do that and it was obviously propaganda by their enemies. By the time zi Germans saw those reels though, there was no Nazi regime left and we were busy recruiting the useful former-Nazis.

#44 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-31 08:58 AM | Reply

Dresden had literally nothing to do with the how or the why the war ended.

#43 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-08-30 10:46 PM | FLAG:

Even more crass, part of the UK's justification on these firebombings was to show the Soviets what would happen if they went too far West.

#45 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-31 09:00 AM | Reply

The investigations into what really happened here continues:

"U.S. military officials said Sunday that they had launched a drone strike destroying a car full of explosives and killing ISIS-K suicide bombers headed toward the international airport in Kabul. Also on Sunday, a family living in Khwaja Burgha, a neighborhood west of Kabul, said a drone missile struck the car of Ezmari Ahmadi, a civilian working with a food charity, in his driveway, killing him, two other adults, and seven children. One of the dead, The New York Times reports, was a contractor who assisted the U.S. military during the war and came to Kabul in the hopes of being evacuated from the country."

"Were there two drone strikes? Was U.S Central Command spokesman Bill Urban mistaken when he declared his confidence that the U.S. had "successfully hit the target" and that "significant secondary explosions from the vehicle indicated the presence of a substantial amount of explosive material"? Was the family mistaken about the origin of the explosive that killed Ahmadi and the children? The Los Angeles Times was able to send two journalists to see the wreckage, where they determined that the blast was consistent with a missile strike of some sort but could not conclude more than that. Urban has now put out a statement that the Pentagon is now investigating these reports of civilians killed, neither confirming nor denying that a U.S. strike might be responsible. "We would be deeply saddened by any potential loss of life," he said."

#46 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-31 09:08 AM | Reply

#46 I could see a deal being made where the Taliban gives up the bomber in exchange for we remove a thorn from their side.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-31 09:27 AM | Reply

Indeed I have seen those reels. People shocked at a secret program they had little to no knowledge

Wrong

The death camps were far more common knowledge than nazi apologists want to admit

#48 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-08-31 09:36 AM | Reply

Then they're very good actors.

#49 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-31 09:45 AM | Reply

So you think after seeing Gestapo remove subhumans from their homes, Germans had no idea what comes next? There's no German word for Pogrom?

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-31 10:13 AM | Reply

Sitz

Scholars now acknowledge that the Germans were well aware of what was going on.

www.theguardian.com

Also consider the German euthanasia program for those with mental handicaps. This program which sort of preceded the extermination of the Jews and utilized many of the early techniques for efficient killing killed 10's of thousands of Germans until it was stopped BECAUSE OF PUBLIC PRESSURE lead by the German churches-i.e. a wide ranging community within Germany.

Consider the efforts to spread the information about the death camps outside of Germany, through the Swedes and through the Vatican. These efforts are well documented and it is common knowledge that the Americans and British well knew what was going on, but decided on advancing the war effort as the best method of stopping the holocaust-despite not taking any measures that were well within their capabilities, like bombing the railroads that lead to the camps or bombing the gas chambers or taking in Jewish refugees. The Vatican's excuse was that Hitler was successful against fighting communism, and the position in Rome was quite vulnerable to German take over.

So, yes, the common German knew what was going on.

#51 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-08-31 10:40 AM | Reply

#50 Volkermord or something like that, but the Germans state was secretive about it, put all of their major camps in Poland to keep it out of German civilian eyes, and propaganda claimed relocation to keep the population fooled.

#51 Their eugenics program was unfortunately American as Apple Pie, as we led the way in sterilizing undesirable society members.

#52 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-31 11:26 AM | Reply

"Even more crass, part of the UK's justification on these firebombings was to show the Soviets what would happen if they went too far West."

And the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan???

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-31 02:24 PM | Reply

"The death camps were far more common knowledge than nazi apologists want to admit"

Do we want to enter in to this discussion how the other variant of socialist kept them open for many of the same reasons?

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-31 02:25 PM | Reply

"So you think after seeing Gestapo remove subhumans from their homes, Germans had no idea what comes next? There's no German word for Pogrom?"

So...I guess it's a toss up as to what socialist empire was worse?

Soviet or National?

#55 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-31 02:27 PM | Reply

"other variant of socialist"

In related news, the People's Democratic Republic of Korea is the other variant of democracy.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-31 02:31 PM | Reply

Which kind of Socialism was Tojo?

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-31 02:32 PM | Reply

"So, yes, the common German knew what was going on."

Some certainly did.

But you had Jewish SS members fighting to protect their fellow soldiers.

I think they were more acutely aware of that fact than your pink ass could ever be. I don't know why they did what they did, but they did so in combat, so they earned a level of credibility that you'll never have.

#58 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-31 02:33 PM | Reply

"In related news, the People's Democratic Republic of Korea is the other variant of democracy."

And why isn't it?

They're just more effective than the west at eliminating the reactionary bourgeoise elements that would threaten "true" democracy.

#59 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-08-31 02:34 PM | Reply

"I don't know why they did what they did, but they did so in combat, so they earned a level of credibility that you'll never have."

Credibility?

Credibility with respect to what, being killers?

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-31 02:36 PM | Reply

"In related news, the People's Democratic Republic of Korea is the other variant of democracy."

"And why isn't it?"

Exactly.

Words get to mean whatever you want, whenever you want.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-31 02:38 PM | Reply

" the other variant of socialist ... "

Yeah, the Fascist Dictator kind, who got there by pretending to be a socialist, but once in power, never ruled like a socialist, never moved society towards socialism, and in fact jailed and executed socialists.

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-31 02:38 PM | Reply

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