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Tuesday, August 31, 2021

A new study led by Ashley Nunes, a fellow at the Labor and Worklife Program at Harvard Law School, concluded that fleets of electric autonomous taxis could "dramatically increase energy consumption and emissions that contribute to climate change " not reduce them." "While electric vehicles themselves have lower emissions than traditional gasoline-powered ones, our work shows that deploying electric robocabs en masse on America's streets could actually increase the number of trips, miles driven, and overall emissions," Nunes said in a release.

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Promoting shared rides would go a long way toward improving the climate profile of autonomous vehicles in the future, the Harvard team concluded. Rather than handing out tax breaks to people who buy EVs, policymakers should consider financial incentives or discounts for people willing to carpool.

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Is there a study on the effects of Uber and Lyft?

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-08-31 09:58 AM | Reply

Johnny Cab

#2 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-31 10:33 AM | Reply

Is there a study on the effects of Uber and Lyft?

#1 | POSTED BY LEGALLYYOURDEAD AT 2021-08-31 09:58 AM | FLAG:

Yes. 70% more climate pollution than taking public transport for the same trip. 50% more co2 than a private vehicle on the same trip. Only 15% of these are carpool/ride shares.

#3 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-31 11:51 AM | Reply

#3 How's that compare to buying and driving your own car? Gasoline or electric.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-31 12:12 PM | Reply

"policymakers should consider financial incentives or discounts for people willing to carpool."

That's what I did when I had to commute to Microsoft. I used my bus pass allowance to take the vanpool. The guys coming from Bainbridge were happy to vanpool since they can cut the line for the ferry, took an hour or so off their commute. The van stopped downtown where the downtown workers would get out and those going further east would get on, Chinese Fire Drill style.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-08-31 12:18 PM | Reply

I suspect autonomous EV minibuses will be the most energy efficient.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2021-08-31 12:42 PM | Reply

#3 How's that compare to buying and driving your own car? Gasoline or electric.

#4 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-08-31 12:12 PM | FLAG:

To the electric robotaxi? Private is 50% better. You've got trip + data center running the dispatching app + network infrastructure supporting your app access + 2 devices to make it happen + vehicle dispatching from a remote location and needing to return to service hubs for cleaning regularly.

#6. That is futurism in a nutshell. You have to take something that's already good and high density, a bus, then chop it up into little pieces that kill your density and screw your throughput. Now market it as a Pod. Busses are already pretty efficient, no need to make it mini. A larger frame gives more potential for fuel cells, solar roof arrays, rack swapped battery packs, etc.

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-08-31 01:43 PM | Reply

Wouldn't this depend entirely on how the electricity is generated?

#8 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-09-02 12:12 PM | Reply

#8 - yes, it would, but most of the nation's electricity is on the same grid. Texas is a notable exception, of course. No one on that grid can say, "My electricity comes from x". That would be as if people using water from a reservoir saying their water comes from a specific creek or river that flows into it.

#9 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-02 12:30 PM | Reply

I was able to say mine was 100% wind renewable from Green Mountain here in Texas but it was also 20-30% more than natural gas.

Missed the point though, this isn't a generation type but a use case issue for the same vehicle using the same power. Robotaxi is fundamentally flawed from an environmental standpoint. On that minibus concept, you'd need 1 15 ton bus, or 25 tons of 9 passenger minibusses to haul the same numbers of the same routes.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-02 03:21 PM | Reply

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