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Tuesday, August 31, 2021

At an August 29 event hosted by the Macon County Republican Party in Franklin, NC, Republican Rep. Madison Cawthorn referred to jailed January 6th rioters as "political prisoners," and suggested he wanted to "try and bust them out of jail."

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He should worry about busting out of his diaper.

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-08-31 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This clown is a waste of a good wheelchair.

#2 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2021-08-31 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Looks like Gohmenrt has competition for the role of court jester.

#3 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2021-08-31 04:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

This sociopath knows he's going to get dragged into the 1/6 terrorist attack investigation because he was on the side of the terrorists. What else can he do besides pretend that was a legitimate position to take?

#4 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-08-31 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tourists getting the runaround at the front desk from a guy with a gun in his hands:
www.youtube.com

#5 | Posted by LesWit at 2021-08-31 04:39 PM | Reply

This moron thinks that because he rolled his wheels into traffic that he is now leading a parade. He isn't. Maddie has no apparent ability or willingness to serve the interests of his constituents. Sticking his mug into any television camera nearby, or mounting any stage where news photographers is his way of living out the Oscar Wilde quote: the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.

One of these days the adults in the GOP (there are still some of them) will see to it that Cawthorn, the Georgia Leatherface, Barkeep Barbie and their ilk are primaried out of existence, with the subtle argument that this insane clown possessed is simply not delivering for their voters ...

#6 | Posted by catdog at 2021-08-31 05:05 PM | Reply

One of these days the adults in the GOP (there are still some of them) will see to it that Cawthorn, the Georgia Leatherface, Barkeep Barbie and their ilk are primaried out of existence, with the subtle argument that this insane clown possessed is simply not delivering for their voters ...

#6 | Posted by catdog

I see no sign of that happening now or ever.

The GOP has been getting crazier for decades. Trump didn't teach them anything. 1/6 didn't teach them anything. Everything that should be a dealbreaker or revelation for them only makes them commit further to insanity.

The nuts run the party now and the "adults in the GOP" are the ones being pushed out. And it will only get worse now that their gerrymandering will be worse.

The only way for the adults to retake control of the GOP is to pass the voting rights act which bans gerrymandering, but dems are too weak and stupid to do it, and even the GOP "adults" won't help them.

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-08-31 06:20 PM | Reply

Arrest him for offering Aid and comfort to the enemy

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2021-08-31 06:26 PM | Reply

Surely somewhere, someone involved in proving the Infinite Monkey Theorem is working on a Kevin McCarthy bio project: anything ranging from a Tinseltown lunchtime movie pitch to a chimeric Dickensian novel-Gothic horror pulp, as long as it's titled "The Inmates Took Over the Asylum, Arrrrggggh!!??!!"

#9 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-08-31 06:54 PM | Reply

This guy is a grade A douchebag, and a pathological liar.

Here's a snippet of his bio for your enjoyment. He might actually be telling the truth here for once.

'During the fall 2016 semester, Cawthorn attended Patrick Henry College, studying political science, but earned mostly D grades and dropped out. He said his grades were low primarily because his injuries had interfered with his ability to learn.[8] Cawthorn said in a deposition, "You know, suffering from a brain injury after the accident definitely I think it slowed my brain down a little bit. Made me less intelligent. And the pain also made reading and studying very difficult."[17] He also said he withdrew due to "heartbreak" after his fiance broke up with him.[14][18]'

#10 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-08-31 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dotard's MANY THOUSANDS of shameless, baseless, bald-faced lies told during his time in office have emboldened the GQP to do the same. They lie daily with straight faces, up and down the line from Groper McWheels to Baby Gaetz, Horseface Greene, etc. NOBODY in the GQP, especially the younger ones, tells the truth anymore, and it is killing our democracy. The MSM allowed the RepubliCONS to have their "alternate facts," it took the MSM FOREVER to finally call out what they were doing as lies, and they still use the term sparingly. I'm sorry, every time a reporter talks to one of these charlatans and they lie, the reporter should immediately call them out, rather than just accepting it and moving along. Chris Wallace does it weekly on Faux Noise. If it means that the GQP will no longer talk to the MSM, so much the better, ALL THEY DO IS LIE, I don't see the benefit of giving those dangerous lies TV exposure!

#11 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-08-31 07:12 PM | Reply

If they didn't lie I wouldn't believe they are actually Republicans

#12 | Posted by danni at 2021-08-31 07:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Chris Wallace does it weekly on Faux Noise."

Hard to accept that he is Mike Wallace's son.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2021-08-31 09:21 PM | Reply

Faux Noise. LOL

#14 | Posted by jakester at 2021-08-31 09:28 PM | Reply

"Surely somewhere, someone involved in proving the Infinite Monkey Theorem is working on a Kevin McCarthy bio project"

They haven't gotten far, but to this point every draft is much more intelligent than Qevin McQarthy.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-31 09:36 PM | Reply

" Chris Wallace does it weekly on Faux Noise."

Hard to accept that he is Mike Wallace's son.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2021-08-31 09:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

I disagree, he's the only person at Faux doing actual news reporting, holding RepubliCONS feet to the fire, and calling out their lies. He understands his audience and is not a forceful as I would like him to be, but he's still 1000% better than any of the other propagandists on the Faux payroll.

#16 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-08-31 10:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They haven't gotten far, but to this point every draft is much more intelligent than Qevin McQarthy.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-08-31 09:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry, but I think it's important that every time we mention McCarthy to make sure everybody understands that although he's not outwardly a proponent of the Qanon insanity, he has yet to denounce it, nor has he forced Qanon believers out of his caucus, so he is tacitly accepting the Qanon crowd as part of the GQP base. McCarthy comes across as your mainstream GQP good haircut suck-up, but he's far far worse, he is a liar who supports sedition! So to me, he is Qevin with a Q for Qanon. He's also among the stupidest people in the house, and with Gohmert, Horseface Greene, Boobert, Traitor Brooks, and Her Gosar in the mix that's a serious accomplishment as the GQP races toward the bottom.

#17 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-08-31 10:25 PM | Reply

Modesto is a sun-blasted hellhole that makes Fresno look like the garden of Eden.

#18 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-08-31 10:45 PM | Reply

What will the GOP look like when the nation is less than 1/2 white? I predict a craze-ball future.

#19 | Posted by Brennnn at 2021-09-01 06:31 AM | Reply

#18
And that's on a good day.

#20 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-09-01 06:35 AM | Reply

#18
The Talibapicans will try to burn it down.

#21 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-09-01 06:50 AM | Reply

More like smear poop on the walls. They haven't started really setting fires yet.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-01 08:27 AM | Reply

Probably still figuring out how to werk matches and those tricky Bics.

#23 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-09-01 08:29 AM | Reply

When you think the GQP has sunk as low as it can go, Maddy the rapist grabs a shovel and says "hold my beer".

I think the FBI should be paying him a visit to discuss his thinly veiled threat against the united states.

#24 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-09-01 09:53 AM | Reply

More like smear poop on the walls. They haven't started really setting fires yet.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Other than to democracy.

I prefer protesters that burn down a target over protesters that burn down democracy.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 11:58 AM | Reply

People in this country are supposed to be entitled to a speedy trial.

Waiting in jail 8 months without bail to be charged with misdemeanor unlawful parading seems excessive.

Even 1/6 morons still have rights.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 12:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Even 1/6 morons still have rights.

#26 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

They can have a speedy trail if they want one. They chose not to.

You have the right to remain silent, unfortunately for the rest of us you choose not to.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-01 01:07 PM | Reply

People in this country are supposed to be entitled to a speedy trial.

Waiting in jail 8 months without bail to be charged with misdemeanor unlawful parading seems excessive.

Even 1/6 morons still have rights.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger

Your cult commits one of the biggest mass crimes in our history and you're whining that your mess isn't being cleaned up quick enough. Typical.

Would you support the justice department hiring a new army of lawyers with your tax dollars to address all your insurrectionist terrorist brothers and sisters more quickly?

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 01:08 PM | Reply

"Waiting in jail 8 months without bail to be charged with misdemeanor unlawful parading seems excessive."

First, it's intellectually dishonest to pretend they're keeping folks for the lowest possible infraction; I'd wager you can't find a single person being currently held who has only been charged with "unlawful parading".

Second...according to the article:
According to a searchable database created by Insider, 630 people have been charged in the Capitol insurrection so far, with charges ranging from assaulting law enforcement to disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds. The Guardian reported in May that at least 70% of those charged in the Capitol riot had been released.

That's 189 people, max. It's only 535 if you use Republican Math.

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#28 biggest mass crime? Drama queen. The summer of love riots were worse.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 02:14 PM | Reply

As always, it is the little people who get prosecuted. All the right wing politicians and right wing media types who fomented the insurrection skate free.

#31 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-09-01 02:21 PM | Reply

#28 biggest mass crime? Drama queen. The summer of love riots were worse.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger

Nothing like the cult of crybabies calling someone else a drama queen. How many posts have you written trying to turn hunter biden into a scandal?

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 02:25 PM | Reply

Why are they still political prisoners? They should have been hanged by now.

#33 | Posted by Jaspar at 2021-09-01 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#31. Supposedly there was very little planning or coordination on 1/6. Kinda difficult to blame RW boogeymen when very little of what happened was planned.

#34 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 02:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#32 Hunter Biden? Don't go to a well that Lassie can't pull you out of.

#35 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 02:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Supposedly there was very little planning or coordination on 1/6."

Compared to what?

I'd wager the man-hours of planning and coordination eclipses 9/11.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 02:48 PM | Reply

#32 Hunter Biden? Don't go to a well that Lassie can't pull you out of.

#35 | Posted by BellRinger

I love watching you morons jump down that well. Acting like suddenly you care about corruption and that hunter biden is an example of it.

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 02:48 PM | Reply

#37 replace everything we know about how Hunter Biden leveraged himself with dad and apply it to Don Trump Jr and you would have to double your meds to keep your head from exploding.

#38 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 03:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#36. You'd wager that? With what? An empty coffee cup from Starbucks. What an incredibly stupid comment.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 03:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Nice dodge.

"Supposedly there was very little planning or coordination on 1/6."

Compared to what?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 03:29 PM | Reply

"apply it to Don Trump Jr"

What a riot.

DJTJ was one of Trump's kids required to take classes to learn IT'S NOT OKAY TO STEAL FROM A CHARITY.

He also, according to the Mueller Report, was deemed too stupid to know he was breaking the law during his Trump Tower meeting with the Russians, a meeting he lied about to Sean Hannity (and the American people) the day before the proof came out.

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#40 that is what the FBI is supposedly saying. Compare that with what we know from the 9/11 commission report. Seriously retarded comparison. What evidence do you have that 1/6 was exhaustively planned?

#42 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 03:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#41 compared with Hunter's actions he's a fricking genius and I agree with you that Don Jr is a moron.

#43 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 03:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You'd wager that? With what?"

Actual Math.

19 attackers, plus support folks for 9/11.

Over 600 charged from 1/6.

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 03:36 PM | Reply

#41. His meeting was stupid yet it pales in comparison with the monstrosity of the Steele Dossier. Not even remotely close.

#45 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 03:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#44 are your shoulders damaged from moving those goalposts? We were talking about "planning".

#46 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 03:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The 9/11 comparisons are beyond stupid but par for the course for hardcore lefties.

How many people did the 1/6 morons kill? Bluto's grade point. Zero point zero.

#47 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 03:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"We were talking about "planning"."

And you're pretending 1000 people stormed the Capitol, and none of them had a plan, or had spent any time planning.

"are your shoulders damaged from moving those goalposts?"

I haven't budged them an inch.

Does it hurt when you use Republican Math?

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 03:39 PM | Reply

"How many people did the 1/6 morons kill? "

Speaking of moving goalposts, you've gone from planning hours to number of kills.

...what did you do, try the actual numbers for once and realize the stupidity of your suggestion?

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 03:41 PM | Reply

"...it pales in comparison with the monstrosity of the Steele Dossier."

There go the goalposts, again.

#50 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 03:42 PM | Reply

#48. Supposedly the FBI assessed minimal planning. Snoofy wagered it was more thoroughly planned than 9/11 and offered nothing to support his wager.

#51 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 03:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Re read #44. Do you want a discussion or do you want to engage in sophistry? I'm up for either although I'd prefer an honest discussion.

#52 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 03:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#49 I am not the one who brought up the idiotic comparison to 9/11.

#53 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 03:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#48. Supposedly the FBI assessed minimal planning. Snoofy wagered it was more thoroughly planned than 9/11 and offered nothing to support his wager.

#51 | Posted by BellRinger

Perhaps it's time for you to visit this thread:

drudge.com
"Trump Group Pays $4.6 Million to 1/6 Groups"

Or you could avoid it like the rest of your cult members.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 03:55 PM | Reply

How many people did the 1/6 morons kill? Bluto's grade point. Zero point zero.

#47 | Posted by BellRinger

What's worse? Trying to end a person's life? Or trying to end democracy and replace it with fascism?

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 03:57 PM | Reply

#55 there was no plan to end Democracy. It was a bunch of idiots rioting, which is something you vehemently supported for almost a year in places like Portland.

#56 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 03:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"What evidence do you have that 1/6 was exhaustively planned?"

Trump's Twitter feed and calls for action, Stone paying for travel, Parler, Facebook.

A whoooole lot more that the telecoms haven't released yet.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 04:00 PM | Reply

"#55 there was no plan to end Democracy."

Thats like saying OJ had no plans to hide the bodies.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"there was no plan to end Democracy."

What Democracy?
The election was stolen.
The plan was to restore Democracy.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 04:11 PM | Reply

" Supposedly the FBI assessed minimal planning."

Why are you pretending only coordinated planning is planning?

#60 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 04:15 PM | Reply

"Since we used terrorist cells, there was very little coordinated planning."
--Insurrectionists

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 04:18 PM | Reply

Planning and coordination are basically the same thing. Do we have any evidence of a big 1/6 coordinated/planned plot to do whatever it is the one six morons were doing?

#62 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 04:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Do we have any evidence of a big 1/6 coordinated/planned plot to do whatever it is the one six morons were doing?"

Yes.
The plan was to take over Congress on 1/6 and Stop The Steal.
1/6 being the day that The Steal is made official.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 04:21 PM | Reply

it was more thoroughly planned than 9/11 and offered nothing to support his wager.
#51 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

More/less? Who cares.

9/11 was planned, and carried out, and it succeeded.

1/6 was planned, and ham-fistedly carried out, and it failed.

It was planned by Trump months and years in advance when he implied illegal immigrants were the reason Hillary won the popular vote. When he suggested the Democrats were going to steal the vote. When they attacked mail in voting as fraught with fraud.

When Republican Senators and representatives claimed Democrats stole the win. (While accepting their own wins on the same ballots)

When they said they didn't accept Biden as President and signed a declaration.

When Hannity and Carlson screeched about Democrats stealing the vote.

When Hunter Biden had an email.

This was all a planned attempt at keeping Trump in office.

It failed because Trumpers are morons.

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-01 04:30 PM | Reply

"It failed because Trumpers are morons."

It also failed because the pipe bombs they left at DNC and RNC headquarters were found by the police.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 04:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Planning and coordination are basically the same thing."

That's idiotic. Once again you're pretending, this time that a lone wolf planning for 10 hours (or a hundred) doesn't count at all.

Planning can be done solo. Coordination takes multiples. You chose the word planning.

#66 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 04:49 PM | Reply

9/11 was planned, and carried out, and it succeeded.
1/6 was planned, and ham-fistedly carried out, and it failed.

According to what was leaked from the FBI, which I take with a big grain of salt, 1/6 was minimally-planned and was mostly spontaneous.

Not even remotely comparable with 9/11. Seriously, please be real about this.

If new evidence emerges I will roll with it. Thus far northing new has come out. The most recent development we have is the leaked FBI assessment of minimal planning and coordination.

Further, the burden of proof shifts. If this truly was sedition than we should see indictments to match and then even convictions. So far we don't have that.

#67 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 04:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

1/6 is absolutely a stain. In no way is it even remotely comparable with 9/11. Please stop with this nonsense. 9/11 was exponentially worse. Just. Stop. with. This. Comparison.

#68 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 05:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#55 there was no plan to end Democracy. It was a bunch of idiots rioting, which is something you vehemently supported for almost a year in places like Portland.

#56 | Posted by BellRinger

The plan was to STOP THE STEAL. What they called "the steal" was a fair democratic election.

Idiots in portland weren't the puppets of a con man trying to end democracy and install fascism.

#69 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 05:03 PM | Reply

"1/6 was minimally-planned and was mostly spontaneous"

Spontaneous?

The planning for "Stop The Steal" began before the election was held.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 05:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

1/6 is absolutely a stain. In no way is it even remotely comparable with 9/11. Please stop with this nonsense. 9/11 was exponentially worse. Just. Stop. with. This. Comparison.

#68 | Posted by BellRinger

1/6 was worse.

A civil war is worse for a country than a foreign war. Foreign wars united us. Trump and his cult are trying to divide us and start a civil war between reality and delusion.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 05:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"In no way is it even remotely comparable with 9/11."

For example, there were more man-hours of planning for Jan 6.

Largely because there were many more men involved, most of whom didn't need to do a whole lot of planning.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 05:06 PM | Reply

The plan was to STOP THE STEAL. What they called "the steal" was a fair democratic election.
Idiots in portland weren't the puppets of a con man trying to end democracy and install fascism.

#69 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Was 2016 a fair election? How about 2004 or 2000?

I remember what was said and alleged about those elections.

Stop the steal is stupid. I haven't seen any evidence that shows the degree of fraud was sufficient enough to steal that election.

Just stop pretending that these allegations were unique. They weren't and I can provide receipts.

#73 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 05:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

1/6 was worse.
A civil war is worse for a country than a foreign war. Foreign wars united us. Trump and his cult are trying to divide us and start a civil war between reality and delusion.

#71 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-09-01 05:04 PM

Civil War?

What kind of bubble do you live in?

1/6 has been roundly derided, and rightfully so, across almost all political spectrums. Can't say the same for the summer of love riots, but I digress.

#74 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 05:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Just stop pretending that these allegations were unique. They weren't and I can provide receipts.

#73 | Posted by BellRinger

Stop pretending anyone but your stupid gullible cult was conned into attempting to end democracy because a con man lied them into thinking an election was fraudulant.

#75 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 05:14 PM | Reply

1/6 has been roundly derided, and rightfully so, across almost all political spectrums. Can't say the same for the summer of love riots, but I digress.

#74 | Posted by BellRinger

1/6 was roundly derided for about 2 days before your cult started defending it, saying it was just tourists, saying it was antifa in disguise, and now saying the terrorists are political prisoners.

#76 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 05:15 PM | Reply

Stop pretending anyone but your stupid gullible cult was conned into attempting to end democracy because a con man lied them into thinking an election was fraudulant.

#75 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

#77 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 05:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

A civil war is worse for a country than a foreign war.

Agreed.

9/11. For the most part. Brought this country together against a common enemy.

1/6. For the most part, has us divided.

#78 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-01 05:17 PM | Reply

Ok. My text got deleted. I'll try again.

I have yet to see any sufficient evidence to suggest that 2020 was stolen from Trump.

Please read that sentence as many times as necessary to comprehend it.

#79 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 05:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

1/6. For the most part, has us divided.

#78 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

No it doesn't. The response to the idiocy of 1/6 has been overwhelmingly the same.

#80 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 05:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

saying the terrorists are political prisoners.

#76 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

They are citizens who deserve equal treatment under the law including quick access to a trial.

I know this is a foreign concept to you.

If they are found guilty then they will face their sentence.

#81 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 05:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Internet crackpots who see partisanship in their oatmeal is where this division and argument exists. (1/6 vs 9-11)

Nowhere else. Nobody takes the crackpots seriously.

1/6 will never be measured in the same league as 9-11. Never

I can appreciate the distinction of it being "from within" and how significant that is.

A physical breach of the US Capitol is extremely significant as well.....at least it is to me.

But this country won't recognize it that way. No chance.

The crackpots will keep bantering about it pretending anybody is listening or gives a ---- and accusing anybody such as myself who dares even comment with something that isn't in lockstep with their delusion.

But it will be to no avail. They can take shots at people like me as if it's my fault. (1 poster will ACTUALLY BLAME IT ON ME)

But also to be ignored. Like the poster in general. Ignored. Meaningless. Dismissed.

#82 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 05:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The response to the idiocy of 1/6 has been overwhelmingly the same."

Signer of the 1/6 insurrection on line #1.

Another on line #2.

Another one hundred and forty-five on lines #3 to #147.

#83 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 05:32 PM | Reply

-If they are found guilty then they will face their sentence.

Forget it Bellringer. You're an outright insurrectionist unless you're in 100% lockstep. No middle ground here.

I want everyone involved to be prosecuted to the fullest extent. I want any elected leader who encouraged, helped, communicated, etc. in any way to be impeached, prosecuted, voted out, any and all of the above.

It was a heinous crime.

#84 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 05:34 PM | Reply

#83 What? That makes no sense.

If you disagree with me - spell it out- this cryptic nonsense is dumb.

#85 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 05:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#84 Agreed.

It was heinous. It was nowhere on the same level as 9/11.

#86 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 05:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You're an outright insurrectionist unless you're in 100% lockstep. No middle ground here."

Well, call me crazy, but if the choice for 1/6 is "right" or "wrong"...I choose wrong.

That's 100% wrong.

#87 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 05:38 PM | Reply

"It was nowhere on the same level as 9/11"

Unless you're measuring in planning man-hours.

#88 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 05:39 PM | Reply

"spell it out-"

Josh Hawley
Madison Cawthorn
Every other Congressperson who challenged other states' rights on 1/6.

147 of them.

They'd all beg to disagree everyone's response has been "overwhelmingly the same".

#89 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 05:42 PM | Reply

You just wait

We are not far from the classic "it failed so it can't be called a crime" part of the story

Mark My Words

#90 | Posted by Chieftutmoses at 2021-09-01 05:44 PM | Reply

"Forget it Bellringer. You're an outright insurrectionist unless you're in 100% lockstep. No middle ground here."

Let me tell you something about Bellringer.

For someone who objected to comparing it to 9/11, he sure is doing a whole lot of comparing it to 9/11.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 05:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I have yet to see any sufficient evidence to suggest that 2020 was stolen from Trump."

Fair enough.

Let's try this one: Do you see any evidence that 1/6 was trying to steal it for Trump?

Because I see a "Stop The Steal" takeover of Congress by Trunpers.

Do you see that too?

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 05:51 PM | Reply

Unless you're measuring in planning man-hours.

#88 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

The only measurement is what we have leaked from the FBI which says planning was minimal.

We know what went into 9/11 and it was considerable and sadly effective.

#93 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 05:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-Well, call me crazy, but if the choice for 1/6 is "right" or "wrong"...I choose wrong.

Are you trying suggest anybody here is claiming 1/6 wasn't wrong?

yeah...you're crazy alright.

I'm saying that unless you agree 100% 1-6 is bigger than 9-11 (based on whatever measurable metric you want) then you're with them. That's the culture here.

Here you are using man-hours as your metric.

1/1 bigger.....because........man-hours.

#94 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 05:54 PM | Reply

Well, call me crazy, but if the choice for 1/6 is "right" or "wrong"...I choose wrong.
That's 100% wrong.

#87 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2021-09-01 05:38 PM

The only one floating that false binary choice is you and like-minded ilk.

#95 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 05:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

sorry...1/6 bigger

#96 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 05:55 PM | Reply

1/6 bigger than 9/11?

1/6 doesn't even remotely compare with the totality of the summer of love riots.

#97 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 05:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The only one floating that false binary choice is you and like-minded ilk."

Feel free to expound on what part you felt landed squarely in the "right" column.

I'll eagerly await your examples.

#98 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 06:00 PM | Reply

I have yet to see any sufficient evidence to suggest that 2020 was stolen from Trump.

Please read that sentence as many times as necessary to comprehend it.

#79 | Posted by BellRinger

But you're still going to vote for the traitors who say it was, helping them divide and destroy the country.

#99 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 06:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Feel free to expound on what part you felt landed squarely in the "right" column.
I'll eagerly await your examples.

#98 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2021-09-01 06:00 PM

I don't even know what you are talking about. Nothing about 1/6 falls into the "right" column.

#100 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 06:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

1/6 doesn't even remotely compare with the totality of the summer of love riots.

#97 | Posted by BellRinger

You got that right.

The 1969 riots were about oppressed people fighting for civil rights. Real people trying to end real evils.

1/6 was about advantaged morons rioting to be able to ignore elections and oppress others. Gullible racists whipped up into violence by a lying con man.

#101 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 06:06 PM | Reply

But you're still going to vote for the traitors who say it was, helping them divide and destroy the country.

#99 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-09-01 06:02 PM |

Divide and destroy the country?

You sure were all over #TheResistance and all of the other -------- claiming Trump stole 2016. The difference is I make no claim that 2020 was stolen. Look in the mirror.

#102 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 06:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Nothing about 1/6 falls into the "right" column."

If nothing is right and 100% is wrong, how is that not binary?

#103 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 06:08 PM | Reply

Divide and destroy the country?

You sure were all over #TheResistance and all of the other -------- claiming Trump stole 2016. The difference is I make no claim that 2020 was stolen. Look in the mirror.

#102 | Posted by BellRinger

Oh was I? And what was your username back then?

#104 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 06:08 PM | Reply

The 1969 riots...

I was referring to the 2020 riots in places like Portland and Minneapolis. You should know about it. Members of your cult-leader's presidential campaign donated to bail funds for Minneapolis rioters and your second in command publicly stumped for the same bail fund.

#105 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 06:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If nothing is right and 100% is wrong, how is that not binary?

#103 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Sorry - I got a few posts mixed up. My response was inaccurately worded.

#106 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 06:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"But you're still going to vote for the traitors who say it was, helping them divide and destroy the country."

- So what's your point?

#110 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2021-09-01 07:08 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

#107 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-09-01 06:11 PM | Reply

"all of the other -------- claiming Trump stole 2016."

Who TF was seriously claiming that? Everyone knew Trump won by the time we went to bed, and HRC conceded shortly afterward.

Remind us how many Congresspeople voted against certifying Trump's EC win? I forget: was it over 147, or under 147?

#108 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 06:11 PM | Reply

Oh was I?

Yes, you were. How many posts did you have calling Trump Putin's bitch? It must have been in the thousands. Yet, Trump never green-lighted Nordstream like your cult-leader just did.

#109 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 06:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

As bad as Dumya sucked, he wasn't in the on the planning of 9/11.

The child-raping orange jizzfart was up to his wig in the planning of 1/6.

#110 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-09-01 06:13 PM | Reply

Who TF was seriously claiming that?

How many examples do you need?

#111 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 06:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hell, Operation Crossfire which bred the Mueller report was as close to a coup as I've seen in our country's history. All based on the Steele Dossier.

#112 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 06:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" How many examples do you need?"

As many Congressmen as you've got. Major media pieces, too.

BTW, #theresistance wasn't about claiming the election was stolen; it was admitting the result and planning the response. The bride and I went to The Women's March together, and never heard Trump's name uttered once by any of the speakers. Not a single line meant to elicit a "boo", either. Frankly, I was very pleasantly surprised.

#113 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 06:24 PM | Reply

99 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-09-01 06:02 PM | REPLY: FLAG: internet crackpot nobody listens to.

And a trolling lying vermin POS to boot.

#114 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 06:24 PM | Reply

" Operation Crossfire which bred the Mueller report was as close to a coup as I've seen in our country's history."

Nonsense. Both campaigns were warned the Russians might try and influence, and if that happened to alert the FBI immediately. Team Trump's response was to have over 100 meetings with the Russians, and lie about it to everybody including the American public. Turn things around: if Hillary had been meeting with the Russians, and lying about it to the American people, and won a close election ... Would you be happy if the FBI didn't investigate? Of course not; your head would blow off.

Why the double standard?

#115 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 06:27 PM | Reply

Here we go again with speakstupid following me around accusing me of being a traitor because I vote in a republican primary.

POS

#116 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 06:27 PM | Reply

As many Congressmen as you've got. Major media pieces, too.

Would you like me to start with Hillary Clinton?

What about the illicit spying on the Trump campaign and nascent presidency by Obama/Clinton and holdovers?

#117 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 06:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

People who want one party rule are the true traitors. Look at the countries that have one party rule: Russia, china, N Korea, Cuba. Only a traitor would want everyone to vote like himself. A person who loves this country wants multiple parties and candidates.

#118 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-01 06:31 PM | Reply

#115 Double standard?

Did you seriously just type that?

Did you read the Horowitz IG report and watch his subsequent Senate testimony?

I did and I know what I saw.

That attempted coup was carried out by very powerful people. It was both planned and coordinated to a far greater degree than the yokels who criminally rioted in the capital on 1/6.

#119 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 06:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

BTW, #theresistance wasn't about claiming the election was stolen;

It was about a lot of things, including Trump colluding with Russia to steal the election.

#120 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 06:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hillary Clinton Maintains 2016 Election Was Not On the Level': We Still Don't Know What Really Happened'

www.yahoo.com

If we are playing by a consistent rulebook that sounds pretty insurrectionist to me.

#121 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 06:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"If we are playing by a consistent rulebook that sounds pretty insurrectionist to me."

Not when you were quiet at the time, and are bringing this up four years later.

#122 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 06:42 PM | Reply

I was referring to the 2020 riots in places like Portland and Minneapolis. You should know about it. Members of your cult-leader's presidential campaign donated to bail funds for Minneapolis rioters and your second in command publicly stumped for the same bail fund.

#105 | Posted by BellRinger

Oh so you're once again trying to make people think that gullible morons rioting to end democracy because a con man told them an election was stolen is the same thing as oppressed people rioting because they government is executing them without trial.

Maybe if you say that same lie a thousand times someone really stupid will start to believe it.

#123 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 06:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But this country won't recognize it that way. No chance.

Of course not.

Because the conflict arrives when the complicit party uses all it power to rewrite the events and importance of that day.

No one did that for 9/11. It was a unified message. Both parties. All media. Same message.

This thread is literally based on a Republican doing this exact thing. Calling the people caught up in Republican propaganda o 1/6, political prisoners.

They're being held responsible for breaking into the capitol building amongst people who were armed. Amongst people that actually were there for violence. That's their cult. They stand and fall together.

Political prisoners are when you arrest politicians and people who speak out against the government.

Something the Democratic Party is making well sure they can't be accused of.

Because honestly. In my eyes. There's more than enough evidence to arrest hundreds of Republicans politicians who created the events of 1/6.

Open up your eyes and stop making excuses for those idiots who choose not to. Your not responsible for giving them a voice.

#124 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-01 06:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#122. It was conspiracy nonsense that bred an actual coup attempt that dwarfed 1/6.

#125 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 06:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I do not know a single person that thinks trump stole 2016.

#126 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-01 06:50 PM | Reply

Yes, you were. How many posts did you have calling Trump Putin's bitch? It must have been in the thousands. Yet, Trump never green-lighted Nordstream like your cult-leader just did.

#109 | Posted by BellRinger

No all trump did was give polling data to putin, remove opposition to putin invading ukraine from the republican platform, pick putin's oil exec to run the state department, fire anyone from the state department who thought russia was an enemy, offer putin a suite in trump tower moscow, let the head of the KGB into the oval office, say he trusts putin over our own intelligence services, refuse to condemn putin for executing journalists and jailing his rivals...

#127 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 06:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-No one did that for 9/11. It was a unified message. Both parties. All media. Same message.

Maybe you don't remember all of the ... ... .

Bush masterminded it
Bush blew up tower7
Bush let the Saudi's go home
Bush wanted to up the oil prices for his buddies
Blah
Blah
Blah

"Bush betrayed us!!!!"

- Al Gore

#128 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 06:51 PM | Reply

#123. So arson, looting, assault, murder and taking ownership of several city blocks is totally good with you because they are leftists? Jesus.

#129 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 06:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#122. It was conspiracy nonsense that bred an actual coup attempt that dwarfed 1/6.

#125 | Posted by BellRinger

What imaginary coup attempt are you talking about?

Your cult committed the only coup attempt in modern american history. Now you have to say everything else is a coup attempt too, just so you don't have the only one.

#130 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 06:51 PM | Reply

#123. So arson, looting, assault, murder and taking ownership of several city blocks is totally good with you because they are leftists? Jesus.

#129 | Posted by BellRinger

Its easy to argue against things no one said isn't it?

#131 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 06:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bush let the Saudi's go home

#128 | Posted by eberly

FACT.

And not just any saudis. Saudis named BIN LADEN.

How come?

#132 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 06:53 PM | Reply

Buffalo bob used to get destroyed here constantly for claiming bush planned 9/11. Left and right.

Bush couldn't run a hot dog stand, let alone plan a conspiracy.

#133 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-01 06:53 PM | Reply

#126

So you don't know a single person who didn't believe Mueller would prove Trump conspired with Putin to steal the election?

#134 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 07:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

the election being stolen and trump trying to cheat but sucking at it are two different things.

#135 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-01 07:07 PM | Reply

#131 did I mischaracterize your position? You seem awfully sympathetic toward the 2020 rioters.

#136 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 07:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hillary lost and conceded.

Trump lost, refused to concede and tried to overturn the election results through the DOJ and an insurrection. Then admitted (kinda) he lost like 6 months later.

You picked a really dumb hill to die on.

#137 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-01 07:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Open up your eyes and stop making excuses for those idiots who choose not to."

Stop lying.

#138 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 07:32 PM | Reply

132

GFY

Just stick to accusing me of it all being my fault.

There is no other issue for you to discuss with me.

The world sucks and it's my fault. That's it. Nothing more.

Just stick to that.

And again, GFY

#139 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 07:34 PM | Reply

"I do not know a single person that thinks trump stole 2016."

Danni is on line 1 for you to correct you on that.

#140 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 07:36 PM | Reply

"Bush betrayed us!!!!"
- Al Gore

That was regarding invading Iraq, not 9/11.

As we discovered, world of difference.

#141 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 07:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#131 did I mischaracterize your position? You seem awfully sympathetic toward the 2020 rioters.

#136 | Posted by BellRinger

Quote a single thing I ever said expressing sympathy for them.

What I've said repeatedly is those riots (over REAL problems of the government killing citizens without trial) were no where near as bad for our country, and not the same thing, as a massive cult of angry morons being lied to by a con man to attempt to end democracy.

On 1/6 your cult got exposed for what you really are. Fascist brownshirts who want power even if they have to destroy our 250 year old system to get it. And i predicted your response - insist that 1/6 wasn't that big of a deal and that the left did it too, followed by years of false equivalencies.

It'll never end either. 10 years from now a democrat will wear a tan suit and your cult will say that's a worse offense than 1/6. You'll be on your death bed still trying to convince people that democrats have done stuff as bad as what your cult did on 1/6 (and the years of fascist cult trump support surrounding it)

#142 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 07:37 PM | Reply

Danni is on line 1 for you to correct you on that.

#140 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2021-09-01 07:36 PM | REPLY

I hope you're kidding.

#143 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-01 07:40 PM | Reply

1/6 has been roundly derided, and rightfully so, across almost all political spectrums.
#74 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Oh please.

There's only two shades of the political sspectrum in Congress, and half of them have not "derided" the insurrection.

#144 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 07:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Its pretty funny to read the Steele Dossier was a bigger threat than 9/11, though.

Just keep piling it on, higher and higher.

#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 07:53 PM | Reply

#137 who says I chose this hill. Trump made wildly inappropriate and irresponsible claims without substantiation. It pissed me off and I'm glad he's gone as a result.

#146 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 07:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I haven't seen any evidence that shows the degree of fraud was sufficient enough to steal that election."

What fraud?

#147 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 07:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#137 who says I chose this hill. Trump made wildly inappropriate and irresponsible claims without substantiation. It pissed me off and I'm glad he's gone as a result.

#146 | Posted by BellRinger

But you'll vote for him again if he's on the ballot, and you'll vote for those who sold the same lies even if he isn't. That'll show em that they need to behave better wont it?

#148 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 07:56 PM | Reply

-#148. I vote based n policy. If the GOP is stupid enough to nominate Trump again after how he handled his loss I'll vote third party. I sure as hell won't vote for this Dem ---- show.

#149 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 08:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#148 we all know how you will vote. Fascism and party over country. Every single time. Its what cult members do.

#150 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 08:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-#148. I vote based n policy. If the GOP is stupid enough to nominate Trump again after how he handled his loss I'll vote third party. I sure as hell won't vote for this Dem ---- show.

#149 | Posted by BellRinger

Selling election lies isn't policy? Rewriting laws so results you don't like can be overturned isn't policy? Your entire party is doing that now. Those who don't are ostracized and primaried and replaced with someone crazier. If you vote for any of them, you're telling them you approve of this.

You can't defend your party so you act like the other side is just as bad. Let me know when dems abandon all their priorities except supporting a con man cult leader.

#151 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 08:22 PM | Reply

#148 we all know how you will vote. Fascism and party over country. Every single time. Its what cult members do.

#150 | Posted by BellRinger

Just like you can't deny 1/6 so you pretend the other side did the same thing, you can't deny that youre a cult so you act like the other side is too.

I guess trump taught you his old "no you are" defense. But it doesn't work when you do it.

#152 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 08:23 PM | Reply

Bush masterminded it
Bush blew up tower7
Bush let the Saudi's go home
Bush wanted to up the oil prices for his buddies

Let's not pretend the "truthers" were wide spread or popular amongst the left or Democrats.

When it came to 9/11 both parties. All Congressional members had the same commitment to fighting Al Qaeda and Bin Laden.

It's incomparable.

Also. When you say Bush. You mean senior? Because. No one gave junior credit for tying his own shoes.

He was the guy you drank beer and did cocaine with.

Someone to put in front of the camera.

#153 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-01 08:25 PM | Reply

Far right extremist groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers are planning to attend a rally later this month at the U.S. Capitol that is designed to demand "justice" for the hundreds of people who have been charged in connection with January's insurrection, according to three people familiar with intelligence gathered by federal officials.

As a result, U.S. Capitol Police have been discussing in recent weeks whether the large perimeter fence that was erected outside the Capitol after January's riot will need to be put back up, the people said.

apnews.com

Is bunker bitch going to show up and give another pep talk to his ------------ cop killers?

#154 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-09-01 08:31 PM | Reply

Why is this thread about 9/11.

When it's actually about Republicans promising bloodshed and down playing 1/6.

Which. Is crazy. Absolutely fkkking insane.

This person shouldn't be in the government.

They should be in psychiatric care.

#155 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-01 08:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That attempted coup was carried out by very powerful people."

Who? Specifically.

#156 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 08:49 PM | Reply

-I hope you're kidding.

I'm not. She went on for a long time about there being shenanigans over the election.

#157 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 09:00 PM | Reply

-Let's not pretend the "truthers" were wide spread or popular amongst the left or Democrats.

I was merely responding to your "nobody...."

It wasn't nobody. There were some.

#158 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 09:02 PM | Reply

-Why is this thread about 9/11.

Because the people who insisted 1/6 was bigger than 9-11 are still making that argument. They won't let it go.

Tell them to STFU if you want to.

#159 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 09:04 PM | Reply

She went on for a long time about there being shenanigans over the election.
#157 | POSTED BY EBERLY

About Russian misinformation campaigns targeting small areas to help influence the vote and whether that was legal.

Not whether there was voter fraud and Republicans literally stealing the vote.

#160 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-01 09:12 PM | Reply

Eberly, you might not think 1/6 is worse than 9/11 but I accurately fear in 10 years your daughter sure as hell will.

#161 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-09-01 09:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I was merely responding to your "nobody...."

This was the statement: " No one did that for 9/11. It was a unified message. Both parties. All media. Same message."

Obviously I'm talking elected officials. Politicians. Media talking heads.

Not people in the streets who voted Democratic in the prior election.

#162 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-01 09:16 PM | Reply

-#156 Comey, McCabe. Brennan. Clapper. For starters. Plenty more.

#163 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 09:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#152 far more people were assaulted and killed during the "mostly peaceful protests". Looting, arson. It was far worse than 1/6

#164 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 09:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#151 you present your opinions as facts and broad brush to a ridiculous extreme. It's childish and I'm not going to waste my time defending positions you've falsely assigned to me.

#165 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 09:21 PM | Reply

161

No sh won't and that's because the two aren't even remotely comparable. 9/11 was exponentially worse.

#166 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 09:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

161

why? what will change in the future that will lead them (I have 3 kids) to believe such a thing?

#167 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 09:29 PM | Reply

"Obviously I'm talking elected officials. Politicians. Media talking heads.
Not people in the streets who voted Democratic in the prior election."

And the internet crackpots. Don't forget them.

Like now....they'll be ignored.

#168 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 09:31 PM | Reply

"I do not know a single person that thinks trump stole 2016."

Danni is on line 1 for you to correct you on that.

#140 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Trumpy is a proven liar and a cheat. He tried to cheat on the last election and even incited an insurrection in an attempt to overthrow his own government and continues to lie when it's clear he lost the election badly in 2020 so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone and it certainly wouldn't be a surprise to me if we found out he cheated (with a little help from his BBF Pooty Poot) on the election that he supposedly won.

One thing I have learned about Humpy Trumpy and his deplorables is that whatever we Hoi Polloi manage to learn about Trumpy's secret deals is that it is always 10 times worse when the truth finally comes out.

But I don't want Beberly to get his panties in a bunch and start swinging his purse at me so sure, Trumpy won the 2016 election fair and square !

Wink wink, nudge nudge.

#169 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-01 09:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#152 far more people were assaulted and killed during the "mostly peaceful protests". Looting, arson. It was far worse than 1/6

#164 | Posted by BellRinger

Wrong again. Hooligans committing crimes is not the same as militias and fascist brownshirts attempting to overthrow democracy with help from one of the two parties.

You'll be trying to sell that lie for the rest of your life, so i have no reason to expect you to stop trying to sell it on this thread.

#170 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 09:36 PM | Reply

#170 you must have manure for your brain.

By every possible metric those eight plus months of rioting were exponentially worse than 1/6.

#171 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 09:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

We sure as ---- didn't see anyone from the GOP promoting a fund to vail out 1/6 rioters. Team Biden pimped and contributed to a fund to bail out Minneapolis rioters.

#172 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 09:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" Comey, McCabe. Brennan. Clapper. For starters."

They were duty-bound to find out why Team Trump wasn't informing them about contacts from Russians.

And you're a bald-faced liar if you pretend you would've expected them to look away were it HRC.

#173 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 09:41 PM | Reply

-Trumpy won the 2016 election fair and square !

I know. I hardly need your confirmation for that fact. Danni's protests are what they are....a sore loser whining about the results.

As far as the rest about Trump's actions in the last election....I'm not disagreeing with any of it.

#174 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 09:42 PM | Reply

161

No sh won't and that's because the two aren't even remotely comparable. 9/11 was exponentially worse.

#166 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Yet here you are. Comparing them.

How much worse was 9/11? Exponentially!!

Time will tell.

Maybe if Republicans would stop obstructing justice we will get to find out some day.

#175 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-01 09:43 PM | Reply

#172

You're pretending protesting the truth is the same thing as rioting over a lie.

And are actually going to pretend there are no GFM accounts out there for those "political prisoners" ... ?

#176 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 09:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The DOJ just hit their 50h plea bargain. Almost all of them have been misdemeanors so far.

#177 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 09:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#176. They may have GF accounts. I have yet to see any GOP pol contribute or stump for them.

#178 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 09:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#173 They did ultimately look away with HRC who was guilty of far worse. They spied on the Trump campaign and his presidency and used the thoroughly discredited Steele Dossier as their source. They used a BS piece of political oppo research as an excuse to spy. It was third world banana republic crap.

#179 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 09:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I vote based n policy. If the GOP is stupid enough to nominate Trump again after how he handled his loss I'll vote third party. I sure as hell won't vote for this Dem ---- show.
#149 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Well, since you vote on policy, is there a DNC policy in particular you don't like?
You're right about one thing: The GOP has no policies. There is no GOP party platform.

#180 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 10:59 PM | Reply

By every possible metric those eight plus months of rioting were exponentially worse than 1/6.
#171 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

So, about three 9/11s then?

#181 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 10:59 PM | Reply

#152 far more people were assaulted and killed during the "mostly peaceful protests". Looting, arson. It was far worse than 1/6
#164 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

How many pipe bombs were discovered?

#182 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 11:01 PM | Reply

#180 as much as I disliked Trump he got a lot right on policy. From energy to the Southern border to foreign policy. It remains to be seen if the GOP carries that or not.

#183 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 11:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#182 how many buildings were set ablaze?

#184 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 11:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The DOJ just hit their 50h plea bargain. Almost all of them have been misdemeanors so far.
#177 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

How do the pleas compare to the plea bargains struck at the riots you say were worse?

#185 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 11:04 PM | Reply

#185 by all objective metrics the lefty riots were measurably worse.

#186 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 11:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#180 as much as I disliked Trump he got a lot right on policy. From energy to the Southern border to foreign policy. It remains to be seen if the GOP carries that or not.
#183 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Can you be specific?
Like, what was his energy policy, and his southern border policy, and his foreign policy. Just a few sentences on each would be nice.

#187 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 11:06 PM | Reply

"#185 by all objective metrics the lefty riots were measurably worse."

Setting aside that the violence was often instigted by the police, and by agents provocateur such as the guy who smashed out the windows at the Minneapolis Auto Zone:

The "lefty riots" were not attempts to prevent Biden from taking office.
They also weren't rooted in a false grievance.

#188 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 11:08 PM | Reply

At the border - remain in Mexico.

On energy - opened up federal leases and approved Keystone. We were a net energy exporter under Trump.

Foreign policy - Isolating and weakening Iran. Suleamani killing. Abraham Accords. Getting out NATO allies to at least come close to honoring their defense spending of 2% GDP

#189 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 11:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh, so they were cajoled into looting and setting buildings on fire?

#190 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 11:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"We were a net energy exporter under Trump."

That's not a policy, though. That's just energy companies chasing profits.

The United States does not have an energy policy. I'm a little suspired you didn't know that.

#191 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 11:16 PM | Reply

Who defines "legitimate grievance" anyway?

#192 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 11:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"by all objective metrics the lefty riots..."

Except the one which includes agent provocateurs.

What percentage of disruption have you assigned to those, anarchists, and "fake liberals"?

So far, it looks like an incorrect 0%.

#193 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 11:17 PM | Reply

#191 I listed the policy steps taken - opening up federal leases, etc. that is policy.

#194 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 11:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The "lefty riots" were not attempts to prevent Biden from taking office.
They also weren't rooted in a false grievance."

Newsworthy.

#195 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 11:18 PM | Reply

Pulling out of the stupid Paris Accord was a policy decision

#196 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 11:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#183 are you suggesting Kamala Harris pimped a fund to bail out fake liberal provocateurs?

#197 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 11:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Who defines "legitimate grievance" anyway?"

Mr. Macro Math.

Two groups commit a particular crime at the same rates; one gets incarcerated at a much higher rate, and serves longer terms.
news.gsu.edu

Legitimate grievance???

#198 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 11:22 PM | Reply

"Oh, so they were cajoled into looting and setting buildings on fire?"

Well, here's what the police say:

Police say Umbrella Man helped turn the largely peaceful protests violent.
www.bbc.com

#199 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 11:22 PM | Reply

"Pulling out of the stupid Paris Accord was a policy decision"

That's a climate agreement, not an energy policy.

Again, the United States does not have a national energy policy.

#200 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 11:24 PM | Reply

"Pulling out of the stupid Paris Accord was a policy decision"

Do you think it was good to withdraw? Care to explain why?

Also, our withdraw lasted about four months. Do you think that was effective policy?

#201 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 11:26 PM | Reply

I do like how the very first sentence from your source is racial disparities in prison have declined.

#202 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 11:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Pulling out of the stupid Paris Accord was a policy decision"

Well, yeah...if you consider Obama bad a "policy".

#203 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 11:28 PM | Reply

"At the border - remain in Mexico."

Seems like more trouble than it's worth, but I don't find it particularly impactful either way.

There were other border policies Trump had, notably family separation, which were not only a humanitarian disaster but a corporate welfare boondoggle.
You like corporates welfare?

#204 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 11:28 PM | Reply

"I do like how the very first sentence from your source is racial disparities in prison have declined"

I like it too. They were even worse, and they're STILL unequal, with certain groups getting measurably worse treatment.

To the point: Legitimate grievance???

#205 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 11:31 PM | Reply

#203. Nothing to do with Obama. It was a stupid arrangement and a bad deal for this country.

#206 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 11:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Oh, so they were cajoled into..."

I've mentioned this several times: a good friend went to multiple BLM protest marches in my town. He told of multiple instances where someone not in their group would show up, throw a projectile (say, a water bottle), then run away. After a few instances, he also noticed another similarity: Hawaiian shirts.

Lefties?

#207 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 11:36 PM | Reply

Had it been Romney or McCain signing on it would have been equally bad.

#208 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 11:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Nothing to do with Obama."

You cannot be serious.

I thought you said you wanted honest discussion.

Trump's #2 goal (after enriching himself) was undoing everything Obama. If it wasn't obvious, you weren't paying attention.

#209 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 11:39 PM | Reply

#209. Yes, he absolutely went about doing that and with positive results. Biden did the same thing with disastrous results, at least at the southern border.

#210 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 11:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I loathe rule by executive fiat. It creates a whipsaw effect when power changes hands. Had Trump been smart he'd have submitted his Southern border deals to the Senate for ratification. They were popular measures that produced tangible, measurable results. He never would have gotten 2/3's of the Senate though. He was such a dick that Dems would have opposed him no matter what. That's the outcome of being a political dick.

#211 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-01 11:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" he absolutely went about doing that and with positive results."

A President enriching himself...with positive results?!? That's corruption.

Good God, man...look what Trump has done to you.

#212 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 11:56 PM | Reply

"Had Trump been smart he'd have submitted his Southern border deals to the Senate for ratification."

Trump didn't even have the majority of his own party in favor. IIRC, he didn't have the majority of the Texas delegation, either.

"He was such a dick that Dems would have opposed him no matter what."

Not on infrastructure. Speaking of, when should we expect Trump's infrastructure week: before, or after his big, beautiful health plan that'll cover everyone for a lot less money?

#213 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 11:59 PM | Reply

We had low energy prices throughout Trump's term. I can point NYT to specific actions that were taken which contributed to those low prices which I absolutely view as a positive result. Ditto the Southern border.

#214 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 12:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

-#213. I was speaking specifically about the Southern border. It actually kinda speaks to Snoofy's comment about the GOP having no platform and your comment that his southern border deals lacked support within his own party. The border was a mess under W and that seemed to be how the GOP establishment liked it. More of the same with Obama on that front.

#215 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 12:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Please forgive any typos. I'm posting from my phone.

#216 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 12:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

" Not on infrastructure. Speaking of, when should we expect Trump's infrastructure week: before, or after his big, beautiful health plan that'll cover everyone for a lot less money?"

It was his huge extremely beautiful health plan. Get it straight, buster.

#217 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 12:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The border was a mess under W and that seemed to be how the GOP establishment liked it. "

Well of course.

You can rail against the immigrants all you want, but try frog-marching their hirers, and you get nothing but blowback from the Chambers of Commerce.

Plus, if you actually solve the problem, you've lost your boogeyman.

#218 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 12:21 AM | Reply

"We had low energy prices throughout Trump's term. I can point NYT to specific actions that were taken which contributed to those low prices"

Yeah...botching the coronavirus response really cut gas prices when no one could travel or go to work!

#219 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 12:22 AM | Reply

#219 gas prices were low before Covid but yeah nobody driving certainly played a role in 2020.

#220 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 12:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#218. Yes. Every thing you said there is true.

Dems have different reasons but also love rampant illegal immigration.

Trump's actions on this issue roiled both parties.

#221 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 12:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's sad, really. We have a major fiscal catastrophe looming and this country is embroiled in a right vs left culture war when most of us are fairly moderate.

#222 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 12:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

" We have a major fiscal catastrophe looming ... "

Thanks to Dubya, Cheney, and the Republicans, who chose to reset America's fiscal sights from Surplusville to Debtsylvania.

#223 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 12:35 AM | Reply

" Dems have different reasons but also love rampant illegal immigration."

I've yet to meet anyone who loves "rampant illegal immigration."

#224 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 12:37 AM | Reply

#223. They absolutely deserve blame for that. Having said that this is a bipartisan problem that is bigger than just short term deficits.

We are in a really rough spot. Short term our debt is at $30 Trillion and we are in an inflationary cycle. If we can't course correct organically the fed is going to have to increase interest rates which will exacerbate our debt and inflation problem. Further our entitlements are on a terrible trajectory - the ratio of payees to recipients is moving in the wrong direction.

This is all scary and yet here we are fighting about gender pronouns.

#225 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 12:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#224

That's what Biden created. And other than lawmakers from affected Southern states the GOP hasn't said much about it.

#226 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 12:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The gender pronoun comment wasn't directed at you personally.

#227 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 12:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

W and team was brutal. Neocon BS foreign policy and Dem profligate spending without any measures to pay for it.

#228 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 12:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"This is all scary and yet here we are fighting about gender pronouns."

Nobody is fighting about gender pronouns. That's manufactured faux outrage by right-wingers, just like Critical Race Theory, and transgenders in bathrooms, and Welfare Queens, and Murphy Brown being a bad person for raising a child alone.

"The border was a mess under W and that seemed to be how the GOP establishment liked it. More of the same with Obama on that front."

Because the border being a mess is manufactured outrage, by Trumpers.

As Danforth said, if there wasn't opportunity here, they wouldn't cross the border illegally, but we're not going to go after the people who employ undocumented workers, we just aren't. Trying to stop people from entering the country is just about as stupid as trying to stop drugs from entering the country. It ignores Supply and Demand, which is really not a thing a Capitalist country ought to be doing.

#229 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 12:52 AM | Reply

"That's what Biden created."

Where do you get this stuff from?

Illegal Immigration In America Has Continued To Decline
Mar 10, 2021
www.forbes.com

#230 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 12:53 AM | Reply

"We have a major fiscal catastrophe looming and this country"

Not so major the rich can't afford to pay for it:

"Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."

#231 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 12:55 AM | Reply

"W and team was brutal. Neocon BS foreign policy and Dem profligate spending without any measures to pay for it."

What "Dem profligate spending" are you referring to?

#232 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 12:56 AM | Reply

#230. We are at a twenty year high for illegal border crossings.

#233 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 12:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#233 The article says we are not.
Where's your article?

#234 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 12:57 AM | Reply

#231 That talking point ignores upward and downward mobility. It measures income. Rich retirees don't report much income, but they are still rich.

#235 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 12:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"That talking point ignores upward and downward mobility."

So what?
Your talking point ignores that the top 20% can afford to pay down our debt, whether they are mobile or static.

#236 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:00 AM | Reply

"Rich retirees don't report much income, but they are still rich."

Okay.
Means testing Social Security is another perfectly reasonable proposal to address the coming shortfall.

#237 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:01 AM | Reply

#234. How many do you want?

Fact is you aren't actually seeking anything other than trying to get me to jump through hoops. Not playing that game. It has been widely albeit reluctantly reported that illegal border crossings are at a twenty year high.

#238 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 01:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#237. I'm not opposed to means testing it. I'm just surprised you busted out a Paul Ryan remedy.

#239 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 01:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I don't understand your comment on mobility either. Since 1975, the top 20% have gone up, while everyone is is pretty flat. Of course it's not a static group of people in the top 20%. People die, for example. Or, they retire and lose a lot of income, but are still quite wealthy.

Doesn't change the distribution of income. Those whose incomes put them in the top 20% capture almost all of the increase in income each year. Those who aren't in the top 20%, don't.

#240 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:06 AM | Reply

#236. Not enough money in that income group. Further the amount of taxation needed assumes static reaction - that people making that kind of money won't react to a massive tax increase. I get it. Unicorns and fairies are pretty but they are not real.

#241 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 01:06 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#240. People move in and out of the top bracket all of the time.

It's been that way for decades. It's why people take enormous risks to come here illegally - economic opportunity.

#242 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 01:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"#234. How many do you want?"

One would be a good start. But since you have a zillion, let's see 'em.

Do you mean "Migrant encounters at U.S.-Mexico border are at a 21-year high?"
www.pewresearch.org

Is that what you're calling "illegal border crossings," people who are getting caught?

Look at the graph in the link. Encounters were at sustained 20-year lows under Obama. So, how can you say this is the product of Democratic policy?

#243 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:12 AM | Reply

"#240. People move in and out of the top bracket all of the time."

So what? People move in and out of New York City all the time too. Explain the relevance.

#244 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:13 AM | Reply

"#236. Not enough money in that income group."

How so? Total income is $17 trillion. Half went to the top 20%.

#245 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:14 AM | Reply

"They absolutely deserve blame for that. Having said that this is a bipartisan problem that is bigger than just short term deficits. "

Who mentioned short-term deficits? I'm talking about resetting the sights. A foundational shift toward (at that point) the largest deficits known to man since the dawn of time.

#246 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 01:16 AM | Reply

"Further the amount of taxation needed assumes static reaction - that people making that kind of money won't react to a massive tax increase."

That's a pretty safe assumption.
You'd take a cut in pay to reduce your marginal tax rate, with the end result being less in your pocket? I don't think so.
That's fine, though, if you want to earn less, to spite the tax man. As you said, someone else would just take your spot in the top 20%.

#247 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:17 AM | Reply

#246. Yes. And they've gotten worse and worse in a bipartisan basis with nothing even proposed about looming entitlement liabilities.

#248 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 01:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#247. That is economically illiterate and a gross misrepresentation of what I said.

#249 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 01:22 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Means testing Social Security is another perfectly reasonable proposal"

Does that mean, all other things equal, the scrimper-saver gets less, and the wild spender gets more???

#250 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 01:24 AM | Reply

Danforth, this isn't the first time I've heard "but it's not the same people in the 20%!" as something that supposedly "refutes" my "talking point." (Which is just one sentence from the CIA World Factbook article about the US economy.)

Do you have any idea how that refutes it? I really don't see it -- or how they think it does. So I figured I'd ask.

#251 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:24 AM | Reply

#247. That is economically illiterate and a gross misrepresentation of what I said.
#249 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

No it's not.

Show me the person who had a chance to make a million dollar profit and said,
"No, I don't want to do it, because the taxes will leave me with just a half a million dollar profit."

#252 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:25 AM | Reply

"Does that mean, all other things equal, the scrimper-saver gets less, and the wild spender gets more?"

I don't think so, for the same reason I explained in #252, but in the other direction.

I think in most cases, the scrimp-saver would likely be getting a smaller SSI check to begin with, since the reason they're scrimping is they earned less over their lifetime. But, there could be a variety of means tests, for people who want to play those games. I certainly agree a means test is easier in theory than in practice, and I like raising the cap a lot more.

#253 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:29 AM | Reply

#250. Honestly, I've never seen it phrased that way but it really is a great question.

It makes me think about the proposals to forgive student debt. What about those who incurred debt and paid it off? Do they get a refund?

#254 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 01:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"And they've gotten worse and worse in a bipartisan basis"

Sorry, not true at all. Republicans were nothing but wrenches in the gears every time a tax increase came up. Meanwhile, $2.3 Trillion in tax giveaways, without a single Democratic vote. So stop pretending both sides are equally to blame. History (and math) prove otherwise. The major financial turn in America's demise will ultimately be pinned to Cheney choosing tax cuts over shoring up the (long-known) coming tsunami of the baby boomer's retirement.

Other fork in the road, and we'd have plenty of money for Social Security.

#255 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 01:30 AM | Reply

#246. Yes. And they've gotten worse and worse in a bipartisan basis with nothing even proposed about looming entitlement liabilities.
#248 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Green New Deal would raise incomes and thus enrich the tax base, which would help towards funding the liabilities.

#256 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:31 AM | Reply

So would raising the minimum wage, albeit far less.

#257 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:31 AM | Reply

Snoofy,

I think Danforth's point, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, is that measures like means testing tend to punish those who were frugal and reward those who were reckless.

Take two people who earned the exact same income. One scrimped and saved and built a nice self funded retirement and expected SS to be the icu g on the cake for a really lavish retirement. The other guy wasted a lot of money on hookers and blow and although made the same income retired poor. Means testing would reward the spender and punish thrift.

#258 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 01:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It makes me think about the proposals to forgive student debt. What about those who incurred debt and paid it off? Do they get a refund?
#254 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

What about all the people who died of COVID before the vaccine was available? Isn't it unfair to them, to get vaccinated now?

Student loan forgiveness would grow the middle class, that's why it's a good idea. It would help them get to that top 20% sooner. It might even drag the next lowest 5% along with them. Ironically, it would only exacerbates the wealth gap, but the wealthy are going to be the ones who have to pay for this, because they're the only ones who can afford it, so it's good to have more wealthy people.

#259 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:36 AM | Reply

"Do you have any idea how that refutes it? "

Not at all. I'd say, with few percentage point exceptions, the top 20% remains mostly static.

And while I've seen folks adjust A LOT based on changing tax situations and rates, the one thing I've never seen is someone choose to work less, because of taxes.

#260 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 01:38 AM | Reply

#255. Again I agree with the criticism but you are over simplifying it. Shoring up Medicare and SS will require both an increase in taxes and a slow increase of eligibility age. It's going to require both, at least until the Boomers die off. Neither party is even talking about it right now.

#261 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 01:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Snoofy...

#258 is exactly what I meant.

#262 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 01:41 AM | Reply

#258
Nice summation, Bellringer; you hit it on the nose.

#263 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 01:43 AM | Reply

#259 the money to forgive that debt doesn't grow on trees.

So tax the people who made personal financial sacrifices and paid off their debt even more so they can pay off people who have been slow to pay their debt?

#264 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 01:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#263 Sorry about your nose.

#265 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 01:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The other guy wasted a lot of money on hookers and blow and although made the same income retired poor. Means testing would reward the spender and punish thrift."

Still not seeing a downside. The guy who scrimped and saved doesn't need us to ice his cake, he already has that. And the guy who spent his money did more to grow the economy due to the larger multiplier effect at the bottom end of the consumer scale. So you'd want to reward that kind of behavior, assuming you want a healthy economy.

Are you suggesting he saver will decide not to save, and trade huge quantities of compounded interest cake for a little more government icing? Even with means testing, the guy who saved still comes out far ahead.

Shouldn't everyone's goal be, to not need any SSI at all?

#266 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:45 AM | Reply

"#259 the money to forgive that debt doesn't grow on trees."

The fruit of those trees will be able to earn more money, faster, when the student loan monkey is off their back. These are the people who are going to end up in top tier jobs, where the taxes they will pay will more than offset the cost of loan forgiveness.

#267 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:52 AM | Reply

"Student loan forgiveness would grow the middle class, that's why it's a good idea."

It would also be a step in correcting a terrible injustice.

When I graduated, my private-college loan represented 6-8 months of paychecks in my trained profession. That, of course, took years and years to pay off. Today, however, grads are being saddled with closer to ~2yrs of earnings. It impacts everything: home purchases, retirement contributions, and savings accounts...three of the most important steps toward financial security. And at a time when investing younger really makes a difference.

#268 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 01:55 AM | Reply

Entitlements are maddening.

GOP not only opposes all revenue increases (a half point on each side on FICA and a $5k increase on the cap would not only generate a ton of revenue but it would be with reasonable financial pain for the individual). Not only do Republicans oppose this but they want to radically restructure these programs. Vouchers, privatization, etc. Rhose concepts have some merit and scorn. More importantly they lack broad support. The battle to fundamentally change these programs was fought and lost decades ago

It's bad wirh Democrats too. The scope of these programs have vastly exceeded their original structure. We have to reduce spending also. Operating within the current structure we have to slowly increase the age of eligibility. 2-3 years makes a huge difference on the other side of the ledger.

#269 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 01:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"So tax the people who made personal financial sacrifices and paid off their debt even more so they can pay off people who have been slow to pay their debt?"

That's a nonsense, circular, and self-centered argument that spites a better outcome just because some won't get it.
Which is why so many are happy to emotionally invest in it.
"It wouldn't be fair for me not to beat my kids, after all, dad beat us."
"It wouldn't be fair for me to take the COVID vaccine, that wasn't available to people who died from COVID."

#270 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:57 AM | Reply

"Even with means testing, the guy who saved still comes out far ahead."

Wait...I've missed out on the hookers and blow. You've got to account for that loss.

#271 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 01:57 AM | Reply

"And at a time when investing younger really makes a difference."

Exactly. The benefits of forgiveness will be compounded for the next 40 - 50 years. It will prime the pump, as it were. Moreover, this economy really does need a boost, for people who are not in the top tier.

#272 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 01:59 AM | Reply

So punish the savers and reward the spenders and do so by further robbing the savers?

That is not a sustainable economic model

#273 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 01:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"he guy who spent his money did more to grow the economy due to the larger multiplier effect at the bottom end of the consumer scale"

Oh, that's a stretch. especially when he gets ~99% of the joy from that blow.

"That's a nonsense, circular, and self-centered argument."

Not at all. It literally disincentivizes saving.

#274 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 01:59 AM | Reply

#271 Not having a colostomy bag (or just -------- yourself like President Donald J. TRUMP) is its own reward.

#275 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 02:00 AM | Reply

"That is not a sustainable economic model"

You've spent the past hours saying the current regime is not a sustainable economic model. What you're really saying is it just offends your morals. Economics doesn't care about your morality. Also, it's not an economic model, it's how to make our retirement plan solvent.

#276 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 02:02 AM | Reply

"Entitlements are maddening."

Yeah, but you have to keep in mind, "entitlements" are an equilibrium equation, and the only cost we bear is the difference between income stream and payout stream. That's why nobody made a peep until Obama was President, when the line went under water (as we knew it would, years and years before that).

RE: #269...whoa; I could have written that. In fact, I've advocated for both those ideas (raising FICA and addressing longevity) for years, knowing the sooner we address the issues, the less pain. (If we wait, it'll have to be a point on both sides for FICA).

Regarding longevity: two things. One, we should add one extended month for every year left before retirement; that works down to where current births would consider 70 as "retirement age" instead of 65.

Two, the actuarial tables have caught a break recently. Sadly, between the opioid crisis and the Coronavirus, "life expectancy" hasn't advanced much lately, if at all. It's not a big turn of the dial, but...a tick, nonetheless.

#277 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 02:16 AM | Reply

You've spent the past hours saying the current regime is not a sustainable economic model. What you're really saying is it just offends your morals. Economics doesn't care about your morality. Also, it's not an economic model, it's how to make our retirement plan solvent.

#276 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Economics and morals are intertwined. I know that sounds counter-intuitive but that comes from a flawed understanding of economics. The field of economics is actually a blend of numeric models and an attempt to predict human behavior. The last part is tricky, obviously. An Econ101 understanding of economics never could have predicted the popularity of the Pet Rock or the Tickle Me Elmo doll.

By the same token, when dealing with commodities those Econ101 models are pretty dang accurate.

Student loan forgiveness is morally bankrupt - it punishes those who paid and rewards those who didn't. Doing this will result in economic outcomes far beyond Keynesian multipliers. People will be pissed off.

Same goes for other debt forgiveness. It also applies to illegal immigration.

#278 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 02:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"So punish the savers and reward the spenders and do so by further robbing the savers?"

Oh, you mean bailouts?

I don't see why a SSI means test couldn't mirror the income cap. You get Social Security checks every month until your total income exceeds the cap, then you don't get Social Security checks any more, you just get all your other income.

#279 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 02:18 AM | Reply

Two, the actuarial tables have caught a break recently. Sadly, between the opioid crisis and the Coronavirus, "life expectancy" hasn't advanced much lately, if at all. It's not a big turn of the dial, but...a tick, nonetheless.

#277 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I wasn't aware but am not surprised. It's sad but bittersweet, I guess. It's certainly not how I want to get there.

#280 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 02:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"An Econ101 understanding of economics never could have predicted the popularity of the Pet Rock or the Tickle Me Elmo doll."

And which class does predict this? I don't see how either is tied to some concept of morality. When I think of human behavior writ large, "morality" is not the first thing that comes to mind. Lack of morality is closer to the top of the list.

#281 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 02:21 AM | Reply

"Sadly, between the opioid crisis and the Coronavirus, "life expectancy"

^
A driver of the opioid crisis is "Since 1975..."
Those are called "deaths of despair."

#282 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 02:23 AM | Reply

I don't see why a SSI means test couldn't mirror the income cap. You get Social Security checks every month until your total income exceeds the cap, then you don't get Social Security checks any more, you just get all your other income.

#279 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

If person A is taxed at the exact same rate as Person B the payout should be the exact same if they earned the exact same revenue.

Here is the dirty little secret about saving - outside of stuffing wads of cash under your mattress saving is investing and it contributes to the economy in a similar manner as going to the bar and draining a keg.

#283 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 02:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Are you suggesting he saver will decide not to save, and trade huge quantities of compounded interest cake for a little more government icing"

I'm well aware of the lousy return SS offers. I'm also aware of the structure: 85% of income at first, then 50%, then 35%.

With means testing, at some point I would definitely spend rather than save, knowing I'd be penalized for the latter.

#284 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 02:27 AM | Reply

And which class does predict this? I don't see how either is tied to some concept of morality. When I think of human behavior writ large, "morality" is not the first thing that comes to mind. Lack of morality is closer to the top of the list.

#281 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-09-02 02:21 AM

Not exactly sure where you are going here. I will respond thusly - as a small business owner I take a moral approach with my customers. They deserve good treatment. It's on me to provide that. If I don't treat my customers well I will struggle to grow business. In a market economy the two go hand in hand.

#285 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 02:31 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"A driver of the opioid crisis is "Since 1975..." Those are called "deaths of despair.""

Point well-taken.

#286 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 02:31 AM | Reply

"If person A is taxed at the exact same rate as Person B the payout should be the exact same if they earned the exact same revenue."

Why? The guy who invested will have more revenue, so we taxpayers have no need to make him secure. Society doesn't benefit from giving handouts to the already rich.

#287 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 02:31 AM | Reply

I'm well aware of the lousy return SS offers

I suspect you know this but it was never designed to be retirement.

It was designed to supplement self-funded retirement and its payout structure is actually very efficient.

Nobody should be relying on it solely as retirement income. That wasn't how it was structured and it's why I hate the dog food vs people food thing.

#288 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 02:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The guy who invested will have more revenue, so we taxpayers have no need to make him secure."

Excuse the Eff out of me, but that's MY decision, not yours.

I WANT MY HOOKERS AND BLOW, DAMMIT!

Actually, it's private-label wines, MMJ, and high-end food purveyors...but you get the drift.

#289 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 02:35 AM | Reply

"I will respond thusly - as a small business owner I take a moral approach with my customers. They deserve good treatment. It's on me to provide that. If I don't treat my customers well I will struggle to grow business. In a market economy the two go hand in hand."

Maybe it's not as much of a market economy as you think.

Social Security isn't an economy at all. It's a funding mechanism for a retirement benefit.

#290 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 02:37 AM | Reply

"Excuse the Eff out of me, but that's MY decision, not yours."

You didn't seem to mind the cap, but you are outraged by the means test? I can't even muster up a crocodile tear for that, sorry.

#291 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 02:40 AM | Reply

"I suspect you know this but it was never designed to be retirement."

I suspect you know workers used to get pensions, now we don't.

#292 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 02:42 AM | Reply

Maybe it's not as much of a market economy as you think. - I'm living it. It is.

Social Security isn't an economy at all. It's a funding mechanism for a retirement benefit.

#290 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-09-02 02:37 AM | REPLY - Yes.

#293 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 02:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I suspect you know this but it was never designed to be retirement."

I think you mean to be a "retirement investment".

Because it definitely was designed to be retirement. FDR's whole point, really.

And when clients and I do projections, SS is a HUGE cog.

#294 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 02:43 AM | Reply

"Not exactly sure where you are going here."

Let's go to global warming then, and the Paris Accords which you seem to think are a bad deal. Show me the moral case for making the planet miserable for future generations.

#295 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 02:45 AM | Reply

I suspect you know workers used to get pensions, now we don't.

#292 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-09-02 02:42 AM

17 years at my last job and my pension was $426

I didn't even know I had a pension.

Pensions are a horrible business model in a modern economy. It doesn't work any more.

#296 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 02:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Because it definitely was designed to be retirement. FDR's whole point, really."

Before Social Security, things like hypothermia and malnutrition were fairly common causes of death. Nowadays that's unheard of, last winter in Texas notwithstanding.

It wasn't going to put you in a beach house.

#297 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 02:48 AM | Reply

" you are outraged by the means test?"

I'm outraged by the means test sans a saver's adjustment. Ultimately, it's unfair.

#298 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 02:48 AM | Reply

"Pensions are a horrible business model in a modern economy. It doesn't work any more."

It especially doesn't work when all that money is just sitting there, waiting to be raided by greedy CEOs, who get rewarded for raiding them.

But, he treated his customers right, because his customers are the shareholders. Very moral.

#299 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 02:51 AM | Reply

I think you mean to be a "retirement investment".

Retirement supplement. Not sole retirement funding.

Because it definitely was designed to be retirement. FDR's whole point, really. - Insurance - a back stop but not the sole source.

And when clients and I do projections, SS is a HUGE cog.

#294 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Yes on this. It really is. My wife and I recently had a Zoom with our financial advisor. We are remarkably close assuming full SS - I am only comfortable with 75%.

#300 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 02:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#2199 bizarre post and mostly off...well...anything.

#301 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 02:54 AM | Reply

#298 I can live with that. The math is still a lot easier on upping the cap. It also makes the tax less regressive, which ought to be appealing.

I loved the way Eberly called it a "tax increase," to have your rate the same as what people who earn less have to pay.

#302 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 02:55 AM | Reply

"17 years at my last job and my pension was $426"

$5000 a year is nothing to sneeze at. One dinner out, every week for the rest of your life.

"Pensions are a horrible business model in a modern economy."

What's a 401k or an IRA but a pension plan?

#303 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 02:57 AM | Reply

#2199 bizarre post and mostly off...well...anything.
#301 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

How so?
Saying the pensions are "too costly" is good for business.
psc-cuny.org

#304 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 02:59 AM | Reply

Well, defined benefit vs defined contribution is the accountant's difference, but to me, they serve the same purpose.

#305 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 03:00 AM | Reply

"I loved the way Eberly called it a "tax increase," to have your rate the same as what people who earn less have to pay."

Eberly's point isn't moot: of all the posters on the DR, he pays the highest percentage of his income in federal taxes. Higher than me, higher than you, higher than Buffett.

#306 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 03:02 AM | Reply

"Well, defined benefit vs defined contribution is the accountant's difference, but to me, they serve the same purpose."

Same purpose, different required legal ends.

One of the problems with DBs is the worker doesn't own it, so if there is any excess, the plan could be raided. Conversely, if the plan is underfunded, the funders are liable.

DCs are usually owned by the worker, but it's usually the worker's money funding it. Employers can match amounts, but in some cases may delay vesting until a proscribed term of service. Other plans, like SIMPLE IRA, vest any employer's money immediately.

#307 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 03:17 AM | Reply

Kinda difficult to blame RW boogeymen when very little of what happened was planned.

#34 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

No it's not.

Right wing extremism and rhetoric is still to blame, with DOTUS right there at the front.

#308 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-02 10:07 AM | Reply

Can't Obamacare push Cawthorn and his wheelchair off a cliff, like they did every Republicans grandma?

#309 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-09-02 12:14 PM | Reply

Can't Obamacare push Cawthorn and his wheelchair off a cliff

Where's Richard Widmark when you need him?

#310 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-09-02 12:20 PM | Reply

#170 you must have manure for your brain.

By every possible metric those eight plus months of rioting were exponentially worse than 1/6.

#171 | Posted by BellRinger

What about these metrics:

Which one was supported by a major political party?

Which one was based on lies?

Which one attempted to end democracy?

Which one was committed by confederates, klan members, and nazis?

Which one was an attempt to install a fascist tyrant?

#311 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-02 12:52 PM | Reply

Yes on this. It really is. My wife and I recently had a Zoom with our financial advisor. We are remarkably close assuming full SS - I am only comfortable with 75%.

#300 | Posted by BellRinger

Enjoy that socialism that your party fought against you having.

#312 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-02 12:53 PM | Reply

"They spied on the Trump campaign"

What part of "The FBI knew the Trump campaign was secretly meeting with Russians, lying to the American people about it, and disobeying the FBI's direct instructions" did you miss?

#313 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Enjoy that socialism that your party fought against you having.

#312 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-09-02 12:53 PM

That's not socialism.

#314 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-02 10:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"That's not socialism."

It's a socialistic program, particularly when you consider the declining scale of recompense.

#315 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 10:16 PM | Reply

-Enjoy that socialism that your party fought against you having.

shut your piehole, ------.

You don't even know who opposed social security.

the answer is that both parties voted pretty strongly for it.

www.ssa.gov

But remember....about 30 years later YOUR party fought against civil rights.

just shut your retarded ------- piehole.

#316 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-02 11:03 PM | Reply

But remember....about 30 years later YOUR party fought against civil rights.

just shut your retarded ------- piehole.

#316 | Posted by eberly

Oh you mean before your party realized it's only chance of surviving as the party of the rich was to also win over the racists?

#317 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-02 11:47 PM | Reply

That's not socialism.

#314 | Posted by BellRinger

Sure. And words have no meaning if you dont like what they say.

#318 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-02 11:49 PM | Reply

"You don't even know who opposed social security. the answer is that both parties voted pretty strongly for it. "

Yeah, at inception.

I think his point was, since then, one party has fought against it. One hasn't.

One party actually tried to "reform" it, by--get this--taking extra money out of it, and giving it to Wall Street. By the end of that attempted fiasco, the guy in charge had to admit his plan wouldn't have addressed the problem. We both know, in the equation, it would've exacerbated the problem.

So I don't think "both parties are the same" works here.

#319 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 11:56 PM | Reply

-So I don't think "both parties are the same" works here.

Isn't it cute you come and save poor speakstupid from his own words.

No....you changed the entire premise of the argument.

The argument was about inception....not since. You widened it because....well, that's what you do.

Poor stupid needed your life preserver.

There is no "both parties are the same" argument being made, Danforth.

So no need to retort with that.

I was just shutting up a loud mouth ------- who thinks he knows something.

He's still a ------- retarded moron who needs to shut his ------- piehole.

"Yeah, at inception" is a complete AGREEMENT with me.

#320 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 09:26 AM | Reply

The argument was about inception....not since.

#320 | Posted by eberly

You made the argument about inception because you have to go back decades to find examples of republicans acting sane.

Everyone knows which party has been trying to end or cut SS and other social benefits for decades.

Same reason you have to go back decades to find examples of democrats embracing racism and republicans embracing civil rights - a desperate attempt to overlook everything they've done recently.

#321 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-03 01:44 PM | Reply

-You made the argument about inception because you have to go back decades to find examples of republicans acting sane.

just pay Danforth the $5 you owe him for trying to defend your pathetic ass and shut your piehole

You can spend all the time you want blaming me for your trailerhouse lot in life, boy and trying to assign acts of a political party to me.

If it gets you off (it must) then keep at it.

#322 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 02:17 PM | Reply

just pay Danforth the $5 you owe him for trying to defend your pathetic ass and shut your piehole

You can spend all the time you want blaming me for your trailerhouse lot in life, boy and trying to assign acts of a political party to me.

If it gets you off (it must) then keep at it.

#322 | Posted by eberly

That's a whole lot of bluster and personal attacks to dodge the fact that you have to go back decades or centuries to find examples of your party promoting civil rights.

Why not do the full trump defense and say 2021 republicans aren't racist because lincoln was a republican in the 1880s?

#323 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-03 02:19 PM | Reply

-Why not do the full trump defense and say 2021 republicans aren't racist because lincoln was a republican in the 1880s?

Why not?

Because you'll do it for me and clearly not be remotely interested in the truth about what I believe.

#324 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 02:38 PM | Reply

Because you'll do it for me and clearly not be remotely interested in the truth about what I believe.

#324 | Posted by eberly

Everyone knows what you believe - defending republicans no matter what, attacking dems no matter what, acting like you can't see obvious truths about your party, and going back a hundred years for examples of your party acting sane.

#325 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-03 02:50 PM | Reply

325

easy there, little fella. don't speak for everyone. That's my job.

and you can say whatever you want about "my party".

What everyone here knows is that you don't believe any of the tripe you post. You're just trolling for my attention.

Your party
your cult
bothsider
blah blah blah

Folks from "your party" absolutely cringe when you post.

Which is quite comical to me.

So keep it up....

#326 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 03:10 PM | Reply

"Nobody likes you, bla ,bla, bla"

How does ebz know these thing

Crystal ball?
Magic?
Telekinesis?
Tarot cards?
Fortune teller?

I want to know his secret to knowing it all, all the time. He even knows what dead people are thinking

But, apparently being liked and fitting in is important to ebz. Like really important
His taunts are like so 6th grade, too

I wonder. Did ebz spend time in the penitentiary? I want to know what stunted this dweebs mental maturity

#327 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-09-03 03:30 PM | Reply

"I want to know what stunted this dweebs mental maturity"

As a mental giant yourself, you should have known which of these things in your post doesn't belong vis-a-vis your question, "How does ebz know these thing":

Crystal ball
Magic
Telekinesis
Tarot cards
Fortune teller

#328 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-03 03:37 PM | Reply

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