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Wednesday, September 01, 2021

Legislation banning abortions after about six weeks is now the law of the land in Texas, effectively ending Roe v. Wade protections in the state.

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It would be so nice if "pro life" meant feeding the poor and housing the homeless.

#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-09-01 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

FYI...three out of nine justices were appointed by a criminal.

#2 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-09-01 10:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Voting matters

#3 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-01 10:53 AM | Reply

Why don't we call this for what it is.

TEXAS BANS ABORTION FOR POOR PEOPLE

The rich still have access to safe abortions as always... so no worries nnnkay.

#4 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-09-01 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Eberly swore Roe v Wade was safe!

Well, this law effectively abrogates it.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 10:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The rich still have access to safe abortions as always... so no worries nnnkay.

#4 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-09-01 10:54 AM | Reply | Flag

Well, if they fly out of state can't the talibaptists sue the airlines for transporting them under the law? Can they sue the government if they drive on roads to get an abortion?

Now you see why it was so important to put bought and paid for shills on the scotus.

#6 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-09-01 11:01 AM | Reply

How can this possibly not blow up in the faces of Texas Republicans?

#7 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-09-01 11:07 AM | Reply

#7 Voting restrictions that Texas just passed.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Want more liberal abortions? Don't live in Texas.

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-01 11:19 AM | Reply

#9, why do you feel it's okay to trammel on my daughter's religious freedom?

#10 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2021-09-01 11:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Get off your asses. You're losing your freedom.

#11 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-09-01 11:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

why do you feel it's okay to trammel on my daughter's religious freedom?

I dont. She can find another state that's more in line with her ideology. That's what separate states is all about.

#12 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-01 11:33 AM | Reply

#10,

And quite frankly, I dont agree with this law. But I do think abortions should be illegal after about four months. If you dont know by then, maybe you should take some responsibility on the child you are about to kill.

#13 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-01 11:36 AM | Reply

Want more liberal abortions? Don't live in Texas.

#9 | Posted by boaz

I'm sure it's easy for a 16 year old girl to relocate her life.

Idiot.

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 11:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

And quite frankly, I dont agree with this law.

#13 | Posted by boaz

You don't agree with this law, so you'll fix things by re electing all the people who passed it.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 11:47 AM | Reply

We're going to be living under Sharia law. SCOTUS is our Mullahs.

#16 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-09-01 11:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#13 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I sort of agree with you here unless there is a documented medical necessity, but I also lean towards the side of a woman's right to choose. Due to abortion being illegal past a specific timeline I personally know a woman that was forced to deliver a stillborn. That is extremely more traumatic than having to deal with the death separately after a surgery removal. She endured two agonies for this baby that could never be and I feel so awful for her experience as a close friend. There is definitely a conflict in my mind as I wouldn't want abortion to be abused as some women's form of birth control. When I come down to the bottom line though I feel that it should be case by case and firmly left to the woman and her Doctor. It should be nobody else's business.

#17 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2021-09-01 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#13

I see you are moving the goalposts. Nice try though.

#18 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2021-09-01 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You don't agree with this law, so you'll fix things by re electing all the people who passed it.
#15 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-09-01 11:47 AM | FLAG:

If Boaz is voting in Texas, we should probably be ID'ing him.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-01 11:59 AM | Reply

I think the GOP may have just handed the Democrats victory in 2022. But what do I know? This is the type of thing that really pisses pisses off the silent majority of Americans who hold socially liberal view and support a woman's right to choose what she does with her own body. I think the SCOTUS just guaranteed a record turn out among women and liberals in Texas in 2022.

#20 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-09-01 12:00 PM | Reply

If Republicans hate the Government so much why are they always using it to force their agenda on folks? Aren't they always complaining about government overreach?

#21 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-09-01 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

This is the type of thing that really pisses pisses off the silent majority

#20 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2021-09-01 12:00 PM | FLAG:

You also can't vote drive up and vote from your car, because it was popular. Clearly a threat to Democracy.

They're out to piss of everybody. It's a bold strategy Cotton, lets see if it pays off for them.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-01 12:04 PM | Reply

I just read where they medically can't tell the difference between a natural miscarriage and the result of taking the abortion pill. The market for abortion pills is getting ready to explode! Plan now! This ruling is going to be a boon for pharmaceutical companies.

#23 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-09-01 12:06 PM | Reply

If Boaz is voting in Texas, we should probably be ID'ing him.

#19 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2021-09-01 11:59 AM | FLAG: LOL

I wouldn't be surprised if he was voting in Texas. Conservatrons are known for casting illegal ballots whenever they can get away with it. Gerrymandering isn't enough.

#24 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-09-01 12:08 PM | Reply

Now the abortion is illegal, Republicans will show us how to really make money off abortions.

#21 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2021-08-30

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2021-09-01 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Will a Bible-believer out there educate me about where the Bible is anti-abortion? If anything, there are passages in the Bible where God commanded infanticide. For example, 1 Samuel 15:30 says, "Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'"

Here, God not only permits, but commands, the killing of children. Is it the case that sometimes the killing of children is no only okay but required? Is there a rule of thumb for when killing a child is okay? Did God change his mind?

This is one of dozens of examples from the Bible. There's also the fact that, in the Old Testament, the penalty for killing an unborn child is a fine and not death, as it would be for the mother.

I bet the response is going to be verses about sparrows falling and other irrelevant text that has to be stretched to fit. God listed in full hundreds of granular rules. Did he forget to forbid abortion directly?

Although I'm firmly pro-choice, I'm actually open to being proven wrong on this. My impression is that the anti-abortion obsession in Christianity is more political than religious. It's a wedge issue that forces people to choose one party over the other and brilliantly set up the absolute division, hatred, and intractability of the current political climate. Clearly, you can't be a Democrat (or Libertarian) if you believe that abortion is akin to child murder. Who could be that twisted?

#26 | Posted by Unisphere at 2021-09-01 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Texas ushers in America's move to Sharia law.
The Talibaptists are salivating.

Just look at this court's make up. Talk about not representing the people of the United States! Look at who made this decision and forced their religion on all of us:
John Roberts- Catholic - G.W. Bush
Clarence Thomas - Catholic - G.H.W. Bush
Samuel Alito - Catholic - G.W. Bush
Neil Gorsuch - Catholic /Anglican - Trump
Brett Kavanaugh - Catholic - Trump
Amy Coney Barrett - Catholic - Trump

Sonia Sotomayor - Catholic - Obama
Stephen Breyer - Jewish - Clinton
Elena Kagan - Jewish - Obama

#27 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-01 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I dont. She can find another state that's more in line with her ideology. That's what separate states is all about.

#12 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Then why do you advocate for skewing your state's voting laws in your minority's favor?

Just move.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-01 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

- that the anti-abortion obsession in Christianity is more political than religious.

As with guns, race, and immigration, abortion is another "divide and conquer" strategy that has worked too well politically for the GOP to allow any suggestion of doing anything other than pushing it to the max.

Were the GOP actually concerned about children, they wouldn't be forcing them to go to schools that don't require masks.

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2021-09-01 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Finally common sense prevails. Demorats will go down in history right next to Adolf Hitler, PolPot, Stalin, Mao and all the others that murdered their own citizens. Now we need to spread this to ever state in the union. I know you lefties won't like it but that is too bad. If you do not want to get pregnant use birth control.

#30 | Posted by gtjr at 2021-09-01 12:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

"Clearly, you can't be a Democrat (or Libertarian) if you believe that abortion is akin to child murder. Who could be that twisted?"

These are the same folks that don't want the government to control anything...

...except a woman's vagina, of course.

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

No, Obama only appointed two.

#32 | Posted by gtjr at 2021-09-01 12:40 PM | Reply

We now have an automatic black market for abortions in Texas. This market will be fed, by luxurious clinics in Cancun for Cruz's daughters and by second year med student drop-outs closer to home.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2021-09-01 12:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you do not want to get pregnant use birth control.

#30 | POSTED BY GTJR

"You" means the ladies, of course. YOU continue to just screw around.

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2021-09-01 12:48 PM | Reply

Women are going to miscarry and whackjobs are going to go after them for that sweet 10 grand.

#35 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2021-09-01 12:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Women are going to miscarry and whackjobs are going to go after them for that sweet 10 grand.

#35 | POSTED BY DEREK_WILDSTAR

Women will be accused of LYING about miscarriages and then sued.

#36 | Posted by Zed at 2021-09-01 12:52 PM | Reply

No, they leave that up to the parents. We do not need masks, case in point, look at Europe their children did not miss a day of school, and they did not wear masks, studies have shown that IF, it is rare, a child gets coved it is much milder than an adult. Considering their is a vaccine, vaccinate the adults. Let the children be children, our children are no different than those in Europe. We will lose more children tot he flue than Covid.

#37 | Posted by gtjr at 2021-09-01 12:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

You also can't vote drive up and vote from your car, because it was popular. Clearly a threat to Democracy.

They're out to piss of everybody. It's a bold strategy Cotton, lets see if it pays off for them.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg

When you rewrite the laws to allow you to overturn elections, and redraw your district to only contain trump supporting lunatics, you don't have to worry about upsetting people anymore.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 12:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We will lose more children tot he flue than Covid.

#37 | POSTED BY GTJR

And that's a good thing. Right?

#39 | Posted by Zed at 2021-09-01 12:58 PM | Reply

Finally common sense prevails. Demorats will go down in history right next to Adolf Hitler, PolPot, Stalin, Mao and all the others that murdered their own citizens. Now we need to spread this to ever state in the union. I know you lefties won't like it but that is too bad. If you do not want to get pregnant use birth control.

#30 | Posted by gtjr

Yes democrats, and all the other evolved first world countries.

Repubs will go down with all the other religious nutjob theocracies that punish nonbeleivers.

Repubs and the taliban are the same types of people, just born in different places.

Now stop acting like the party that is killing innocent americans everyday with anti covid lies cares about saving lives.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

We will lose more children tot he flue than Covid.

#37 | POSTED BY GTJR

You hear this sort of thing a lot from the far, far Right. How much is child's life worth? Apparently not enough to save a few extra hundred or so from death by wearing masks.

Can't wait until one of your family members turns in another for that $10,000.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2021-09-01 01:01 PM | Reply

And quite frankly, I dont agree with this law. But I do think abortions should be illegal after about four months.
#13 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Why are they fine with you during the first 4 months but not after?

#42 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-09-01 01:04 PM | Reply

Let the children be children, our children are no different than those in Europe. We will lose more children tot he flue than Covid.

#37 | Posted by gtjr

Our children come home to fox news watching unvaccinated morons who drink bleach.

Old covid was twice as contagious as the flu.

Delta is 8x more contagious than the flu.

Europe did, and is, closing schools.
www.washingtonpost.com

Any more lies you want to share with us today? Are you lying to us on purpose, or just showing us all the lies that you've fallen for since you're such a gullible propaganda gargling chump?

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 01:04 PM | Reply

She can find another state that's more in line with her ideology. That's what separate states is all about.

#12 | POSTED BY BOAZ

So you are fine with states banning gun ownership or banning black people from voting? Just move to another state, right?

#44 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-09-01 01:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 5

We will lose more children tot he flue than Covid.
#37 | POSTED BY GTJR

Wrong. Covid has been killing children at twice the rate of flu.
www.cnn.com

#45 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-09-01 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

If you do not want to get pregnant use birth control.

#30 | POSTED BY GTJR AT 2021-09-01 12:39 PM

From the same party that tells you not to vaccinate because the vaccine isn't 100% effective.

#46 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-09-01 01:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Women will be accused of LYING about miscarriages"

By men who can't tell the difference between a menstrual pad and a murder scene.

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" I do think abortions should be illegal after about four months. If you dont know by then, maybe you should take some responsibility on the child you are about to kill."

The fact you support killing a child at 15 weeks means you're willing to be used as a political pawn, and you've just made the life/death issue moot.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

So every mode of transportation out if TX will have to start asking all women whether they are pregnant, if so, how far along, and whether they intend to leave the state to terminate the pregnancy. I can see all those tech people moving to TX deciding to move somewhere less fascist instead. Uber and Lyft drivers will also have to start asking that question.

#49 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-09-01 01:17 PM | Reply

Gotta love the "just move to another state" folk. Easy to say but they know damn well it's not easy at all. They can't even be bothered to put themselves in others' shoes.

#50 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2021-09-01 01:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Can we just "abort" Texas from the United States?
That -------- state needs to secede already!

#51 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-09-01 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And quite frankly, I dont agree with this law. But I do think abortions should be illegal after about four months.
#13 | POSTED BY BOAZ

As usual, you are a moron. Try turning off Faux and do some research at a non-partisan location, the vast, vast, vast majority of late-term abortions, which are already extremely rare, are to protect the life of the mother or because the fetus is not viable outside the womb. Late-term abortion is a non-issue that the lying Reich has made into an issue, just like fetal pain at 10 weeks, another absolute lie to cause you rubes to vote against your own self-interests.

#52 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-09-01 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Gotta love the part about how any citizen can sue a person who has an abortion, helps that person, gives a ride, etc. Gotta love Texas paying their citizens to inform on one another. Real neighborly state.

#53 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-09-01 01:31 PM | Reply

And quite frankly, I dont agree with this law. But I do think abortions should be illegal after about four months.
#13 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Curious, why do you draw the line at 4 months? 16/17 weeks?

#54 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-09-01 01:32 PM | Reply

If Republicans hate the Government so much why are they always using it to force their agenda on folks? Aren't they always complaining about government overreach?

#21 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST AT 2021-09-01 12:01 PM | REPLY

#55 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-01 01:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Texas. Where the women are more regulated than their deadly weapons.

Not enough time or leadership to control a little virus but they sure have those ebil woman who want an abortion under their thumbs.

They are spending all their energies preventing abortions while thousands of Texans die of a deadly virus.

Nice going morons.

#56 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-01 01:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"why do you draw the line at 4 months?"

Because HE wants to be the one to draw the line.

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 01:35 PM | Reply

Will a Bible-believer out there educate me about where the Bible is anti-abortion?

They use these passages:

Psalm 139:13-16

Isaiah 44:24

Jeremiah 1:5

Isaiah 49:1, 5

#58 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-01 01:35 PM | Reply

"...4 months? 16/17 weeks?"

4 months is always at least 17 weeks.

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 01:37 PM | Reply

#30 | POSTED BY GTJR

"Common sense" is codifying into law the ability of anyone to file lawsuits even if they're not a party to the event?

Where did the small government philosophy of "C-c-conservatives" go?

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-01 01:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

----, I got nothing else to do right now...

Psalm 139:13-16
"For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them."

Isaiah 44:24
"Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself.'"

Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed you in your mother's body I chose you. Before you were born I set you apart to serve me. I appointed you to be a prophet to the nations."

Isaiah 49:1, 5
"The Lord called me from the womb ... formed me from the womb to be his servant."

#61 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-01 01:41 PM | Reply

We will lose more children tot he flue than Covid.

More have already died from COVID that influenza.

Got any more stupid things to say?

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-01 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Gotta love Texas paying their citizens to inform on one another."

It's to save souls. Texas can call informants the SS.

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 01:42 PM | Reply

small government philosophy

More like the "we govern small/poor people" party

#64 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-01 01:42 PM | Reply

If I'm going to quote works of fiction, I would at least pick more current ones. Maybe Harry Potter or a Danielle Steel novel?

#65 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-01 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We do not need masks, case in point, look at Europe

Why don't you just look at our own states who don't require masks that are being forced to close schools because within days of opening COVID cases exploded and large numbers of kids and staff had to be quarantined?

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-01 01:45 PM | Reply

Why are they fine with you during the first 4 months but not after?

#42 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE AT 2021-09-01 01:04 PM |

Believe it or not... it has to do with viability after the 4-month mark. It is less fetus-like and more baby-like. It's not a good idea to push survival early because you end up with a kid that spends all its short life laying on a matt somewhere. People have such weird notions about heroics.

China used to take them at 7 months when their nation was still suffering from severe famines. We're talking 5 decades ago... recent history.
Christians are still trying to prove they are better than them commie atheists.

The rich ones pretending to care... are still paying for their son's or daughter's "youthful indiscretions" without regrets because they really don't care.

#67 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-09-01 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If I'm going to quote works of fiction, I would at least pick more current ones. Maybe Harry Potter or a Danielle Steel novel?

#65 | POSTED BY JAKESTER AT 2021-09-01 01:45 PM | REPLY

Someone asked me a question, I answered it. While I don't personally believe in the bible it is worth studying for the cultural impact alone. Also?

GFY -------.

#68 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-01 01:57 PM | Reply

#7 - 40% of Texas is Hispanic. They generally don't believe in abortion because of the pope. That's why they have larger families than any other ethnic group Add in the white Catholics, and you have a lot of people who don't believe in abortion.

www.census.gov

#69 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-01 01:58 PM | Reply

69!!!

#70 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-09-01 01:58 PM | Reply

And quite frankly, I dont agree with this law. But I do think abortions should be illegal after about four months.
#13 | POSTED BY BOAZ

So, it sounds like you actually support Roe v. Wade, without realizing it.

Because, the (effect of the) Texas ban is too early -- the first trimester is when abortion is always allowed.

But making it illegal after the first three months is allowed under Roe v. Wade, if states want to make it illegal.

Just wanted you to know.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"GFY -------."

What a mature and well though out response, not to mention unprovoked.

Oh well. I guess I deserve it for living in your head.

#72 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-01 02:03 PM | Reply

Want more liberal abortions? Don't live in Texas.

#9 | POSTED BY BOAZ

"We do not need masks, case in point, look at Europe"

Don't want to wear masks? Go live in Europe.

-Bozo

#73 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-01 02:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

you said i was plonked. goatfat lies again.

bye.

#74 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-01 02:03 PM | Reply

----

#75 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-09-01 02:04 PM | Reply

Will a Bible-believer out there educate me about where the Bible is anti-abortion?
They use these passages:
Psalm 139:13-16
Isaiah 44:24
Jeremiah 1:5
Isaiah 49:1, 5
#58 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Thanks for citing the Scripture, because none of it says "don't get an abortion," any more than it says "don't commit a murder."

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"you said i was plonked. goatfat lies again."

I never said you were plonked once, much less "again".

But it's a great idea since every one of your posts to me have been lame insults or trolls and never anything of substance. And now I can add lying as a reason to add you to my killfiles.

Bye, Alexandrite.

#77 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-01 02:06 PM | Reply

#59 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Yes, I know. Perhaps I should have expressed the question in more detail.

The question for BOAZ was why he chooses 4 months rather than a time period in weeks, as pregnancies normally are measured. My research into viability generally shows 22 to 24 weeks as the point of viability, so I was curious why he stated 4 months.

#78 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-09-01 02:07 PM | Reply

This is what Progress looks like.

#79 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2021-09-01 02:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I am going to sue Ted Cruz's daughters on the reasonable belief that they wanted to go to Cancun to get an abortion. If I get lucky with the jury, I get 10K, plus legal costs.

#80 | Posted by bored at 2021-09-01 02:10 PM | Reply

Profound. And killfiled. You clearly have nothing to offer.
Bye, Alexandrite.

POSTED BY JAKESTER AT 2021-08-28 11:00 PM | REPLY

I never said you were plonked once,
#77 | POSTED BY JAKESTER AT 2021-09-01 02:06 PM | REPLY

You are the liar and the troll. Quit projecting.

#81 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-01 02:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Most Mexican states and the DF severely restrict abortion in Mexico.

#82 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-01 02:12 PM | Reply

#63 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I see, in Texas SS stands for Soul Savers. I wonder if they also have an acronym for No Abortion/Zero Infanticide?

#83 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-09-01 02:14 PM | Reply

Here is a list of a few of the 666 new laws that begin today in Texas.

www.npr.org

#84 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-01 02:14 PM | Reply

69!!!

#70 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

foiled again

#85 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-09-01 02:20 PM | Reply

The law makes no exceptions for cases involving rape or ------.

www.npr.org

So, another win for punishing women for being rapable.

A wise man, my old, departed pastor, once said that if men could have abortions, they would have been made legal 5,000 years ago.

#86 | Posted by Corky at 2021-09-01 02:23 PM | Reply

As an interesting side-note, multiple sociological studies have shown that reduced abortions rates are followed by increased crime rates and abuse/neglect cases down the road.

#87 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-09-01 02:26 PM | Reply

#61 | Posted by Alexandrite

And none of those quotes even mentions abortion. They all just basically say "god makes babies"

is that the best the bible thumpers have?

#88 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 02:28 PM | Reply

yes

#89 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-01 02:28 PM | Reply

This is what Progress looks like.

#79 | Posted by Mao_Content

Sure, if your goal is to be more like the taliban, then this is progress.

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 02:29 PM | Reply

The earliest a baby has been born and survived is 21 weeks and 5 days.

Unless she got pregnant on September 1st, that's always equal to or greater than 5 months.

#91 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 02:30 PM | Reply

This is what Progress looks like.
#79 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Progress towards what?

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 02:32 PM | Reply

"I never said you were plonked once,"

Liars gotta lie.

Eberly, here are the people on my killfile list. [...]

speakSoftly, Speaksoftly, clownshack, snoofy, Zed, jpw, donnerboy, LegallyYourDead, ChiefTutMoses, Danforth, bruceaz, bocaink, Alexandrite, YAV

POSTED BY JAKESTER AT 2021-08-30 10:57 PM

#93 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Must have been one of his other personalities who did it...

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 02:37 PM | Reply

" I wonder if they also have an acronym for No Abortion/Zero Infanticide?"

I did nazi that coming.

#95 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 02:37 PM | Reply

- The law makes no exceptions for cases involving rape or ------.

More "Progress", one supposes.

#96 | Posted by Corky at 2021-09-01 02:43 PM | Reply

Alexandrite, I thought there was also a false syllogism of New Testament Scripture that is used to argue Jesus meant to say "don't get an abortion" while never saying "don't get an abortion."

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 02:44 PM | Reply

"This is what Progress looks like."

Does our resident expert on progressives "Jakester" have any insight into this one?

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 02:46 PM | Reply

So, it sounds like you actually support Roe v. Wade, without realizing it.

Because, the (effect of the) Texas ban is too early -- the first trimester is when abortion is always allowed.

But making it illegal after the first three months is allowed under Roe v. Wade, if states want to make it illegal.

Just wanted you to know.

#71 | Posted by snoofy

Yes, I support RvW to a certain point. Eventually, I believe if the child can be born alive, you dont need to be aborting it. I cant believe others dont agree with this as well...

#99 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-01 02:57 PM | Reply

"I cant believe others dont agree with this as well..."

Let's be honest, you're not exactly the most understanding of anybody's viewpoint that's also not yours.

You're not the worst....but it's not your strong suit either.

#100 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-01 03:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Most studies and information I've found place viability at 24 weeks with a survival rate of 60-70%. At less than 24 weeks the chance of survival drops precipitously, to less than 5% at less than 23 weeks. The likelihood of significant complications and lifelong disabilities increases proportionately to the decreased survival rate.

healthcare.utah.edu

www.verywellfamily.com

The ROE decision protected abortion in the first trimester, measured as conception to 12 weeks, at the discretion of the woman. Abortion in the second trimester - 13 to 24 weeks - can be regulated in the interest of the mother, but not outlawed. After the second trimester the fetus is considered viable, and the state can regulate or outlaw abortion in the interest of the potential life, except when necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother.

www.law.cornell.edu

This is both science and established law. The science behind the decision really hasn't changed in almost 50 years. So what has changed?

More proof of why I maintain that organized religion is responsible for most of the world's woe.

#101 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-09-01 03:02 PM | Reply

#99 As I'm sure you know, the Constitution exists to restrain government.

Roe funds the Constitution imposes the following restrictions on government:
Abortion can't be denied in the first trimester.
Abortion can't be denied to protect the health of the mother.

I think you're fine with both of those, Boaz.

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 03:03 PM | Reply

Did New Mexico ban Abortions? Arkansas? Louisiana? Oklahoma?

Mexico?

Then...who cares?

#103 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-09-01 03:11 PM | Reply

"Then...who cares?"

Texas women who used to have their rights.

You've basically just admitted rights are only for those who can afford medical travel.

#104 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-01 03:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Did New Mexico ban Abortions? Arkansas? Louisiana? Oklahoma?
Mexico?
Then...who cares?
#103 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Texas obviously cares enough to restrict abortion in Texas.

So, "Texas" is the answer to who cares.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 03:15 PM | Reply

Abortion can't be denied in the first trimester.
Abortion can't be denied to protect the health of the mother.

I think you're fine with both of those, Boaz.

Yep. And I think that's a moderate view.

#106 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-01 03:18 PM | Reply

Boaz, I'm glad we can agree on that.

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 03:20 PM | Reply

That -------- state needs to secede already!

#51 | Posted by a_monson

Do you live in TX? If not, then why do you give a ----?

The people in Texas obviously want this. No one gives a rats ass if YOU dont.

#108 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-01 03:22 PM | Reply

I have noticed that the men who are most vocal about abortion are the ones who have never changed a diaper or had to reliably feed, cloth and acre for one

20 bucks says gtjr is a deadbeat dad

#109 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-09-01 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The people in Texas obviously want this."

They do?
I'm not convinced.
The Republican majority legislature wants it.
Hey, don't you usually champion the rights of the minority, Boaz...

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 03:28 PM | Reply

"Due to abortion being illegal past a specific timeline I personally know a woman that was forced to deliver a stillborn. That is extremely more traumatic than having to deal with the death separately after a surgery removal."

The GOP governs through fear.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 03:31 PM | Reply

Experts are anticipating a flood of frivolous lawsuits filed with the intent to use the court system as a tool to bankrupt any business or service these specials interest groups don't like

This, just like all the other things today's "conservative" celebrate as a victory, will come back to haunt them

Time is and always will be the modern "conservatives" enemy

#112 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-09-01 03:39 PM | Reply

Did New Mexico ban Abortions? Arkansas? Louisiana? Oklahoma?

Mexico?

Then...who cares?

#103 | Posted by madbomber

The guy who doesn't understand why not getting vaccinated affects other people also has trouble understanding why new abortion laws affect other people. Shocker.

Seems we're learning that you simply lack the brainpower to think about other people.

#113 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Yep. And I think that's a moderate view.

#106 | Posted by boaz

That's why you always vote for such moderates, isnt it?

#114 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 03:49 PM | Reply

The people in Texas obviously want this. No one gives a rats ass if YOU dont.

#108 | Posted by boaz

You mean the people in texas who are allowed representation in government because of their gerrymandered districts. The people in austin who have no power because texas sliced up their district certainly do not.

#115 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 03:50 PM | Reply

If they thought legal abortion was bad wait till they see what illegal abortion looks like.

#116 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-01 03:51 PM | Reply

Most Conservative candidates seem moderate to me. There arent any Democrats I can think of that are moderate. Of course there are some conservatives who arent moderate and I usually dont support them.

But I would be more inclined to vote conservative before I would vote liberal.

#117 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-01 03:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

The rest of the first world sees The Handmaid's Tale as a cautionary story, the GQP sees it as an instruction manual.

#118 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-09-01 03:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#115,

Liberals seem to have no problem with having a city make decisions for rural areas even though the city is only a small part of the entire state.

#119 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-01 03:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- Then...who cares?

#103 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Classic Randian "thinking".... if it doesn't affect him, he doesn't care at all. Because other people don't exist for him unless he knows, and likes, them.

It's the Empathy-Free Zone. Nice werk if you can get it.

#120 | Posted by Corky at 2021-09-01 04:02 PM | Reply

Woman are getting abortions less often than they have since 1973.

But hey, it's so typical to see the Party that holds up signs at anti-vax rallies saying, "It's MY body!" being so hypocritical when it comes to other people's bodies.

#121 | Posted by Corky at 2021-09-01 04:08 PM | Reply

"Liberals seem to have no problem with having a city make decisions for rural areas even though the city is only a small part of the entire state."

In a democracy, which means rule by the people, the city is the large part of the state, and the rural areas are the small part of the state.

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 04:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We will lose more children tot he flue than Covid.
#37 | POSTED BY GTJR

The flue...
You mean the Olde Days, when children were employed as chimney sweeps?

#123 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 04:51 PM | Reply

Weird. I make a light-hearted joke comparing comparing the bible to Harry Potter (post #65) and Alexandrite is triggered to the point she tells me to go ---- myself. I didn't say a bad word to her. Hell, I didn't even mention her, but she got triggered.

OK, I get it she obviously is a Christian and she found it offensive, but most Christians aren't such snowflakes that a post like #65 would trigger them.

People are strange.

#124 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-01 04:58 PM | Reply

Here is a list of a few of the 666 new laws that begin today in Texas.

#84 | Posted by jakester

Well if that isn't a sign to the Chreestians and Talibaptists I don't know what is... (Note: Nothing against ACTUAL Christians)

Celebration time? AmIRight?

#125 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-09-01 05:02 PM | Reply

...and fair voting.
...and common sense.
...and any shred of common decency.
...and compassion for women.

I could go on...

#126 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-09-01 05:06 PM | Reply

Most Conservative candidates seem moderate to me. There arent any Democrats I can think of that are moderate. Of course there are some conservatives who arent moderate and I usually dont support them.

But I would be more inclined to vote conservative before I would vote liberal.

#117 | Posted by boaz

Most conservatives claim to be moderate and then vote for the most radical group of fascists this country has ever seen.

#127 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 05:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Liberals seem to have no problem with having a city make decisions for rural areas even though the city is only a small part of the entire state.

#119 | Posted by boaz

That's because dirt doesn't deserve representation. Humans do. So areas with more humans deserve more power than areas with more dirt.

That's exactly what repubs are doing with the entire country - letting a small group make decisions that the larger group disagrees with.

#128 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 05:08 PM | Reply

Liberals seem to have no problem with having a city make decisions for rural areas even though the city is only a small part of the entire state.

#119 | Posted by boaz

I guess I don't understand your argument for gerrymandering here. Districting should be as representative of the population as possible over all IMHO. I swear you spoke out against it in the past and how it was bad when California Democrats used to do it. Maybe I am wrong but I don't think so - I think you used it as a defense to why the GOP should do it. The thing is in California it is non-partisan now and has been for a long time. Besides that gerrymandering used to be much more subtle but the GOP changed all that after the 2010 census.

Unfortunately it has gone the way of California in many Liberal leaning states in recent years. That gives the GOP an actual unfair edge in congress. I have to say that legally speaking it should be the rule of the land that redistricting is done fairly using math and algorithms by non-partisan teams.

#129 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-09-01 05:12 PM | Reply

Liberals seem to have no problem with having a city make decisions for rural areas even though the city is only a small part of the entire state.

#119 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You always claim the form of government you support is " constitutional, representative republic.

3. Republic: Just means we don't have a hereditary monarch. Check.
1. Constitution: says those who get the most votes in elections are the winners. Check.
2. Representative: FAIL! When the side who has fewer votes holds the majority of power, how can you possibly call it "representative"?

Republicans in the Senate represent 41 million fewer voters than Democrats but have 50% of the power. How is that representative? Just because you own more land doesn't mean you should have more political power than your neighbors in the city (who, by the way, generate far more revenue to the government than the country-dwellers).

If you want to use land as a metric, how about "revenue generated per square mile". The Research Triangle generates a lot more than the Fayetteville suburbs, so they should call the shots, right?

#130 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-09-01 06:04 PM | Reply

bold off

#131 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-09-01 06:05 PM | Reply

In a democracy, which means rule by the people, the city is the large part of the state, and the rural areas are the small part of the state.

#122 | Posted by snoofy

Well, that would mean something if we were a Democracy.

Whodaman, your world view is so skewed, it's almost not worth me even debating you.

Our form of government is done to ensure the majority doesnt run over the minority and that the minority can actually stop any legislation they deem they dont like or need. And it works well. To the democrats shagrin.

Our form of government ensures you have to negotiate with the minority. So that people like you dont give just lip service to the grievances of a minority.

#132 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-01 06:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Boaz,

Being a democracy and being a republic are not mutually exclusive.

All our elections save President are democracy, for example.

The fact that we elect representatives and senators makes us a republic.

They are supposed tonwork hand in glove, they are not meant to be opposing forces.

#133 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-01 06:25 PM | Reply

If a unified minority can permanently thwart the will of the majority through "rules" not written in the Constitution, there can be no "Consent of the Governed", therefore no legitimate government.

It is absurd to think that the brilliant men who formed this government (for all their faults/sins) intended it to be used in this way. The difference is they were honorable men (albeit of upper-class heritage), who expected government to be manned by people like them. Hell, they still had duels for crissake!

This was somehow destroyed by the Cold War, which began turning the two parties from adversaries into enemies. This was then exploited by rich "libertarians" who want as little government as possible to interfere with their exploitation of natural and human resources. They have spent the last 75 years engineering this result.

#134 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-09-01 06:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Our form of government is done to ensure the majority doesnt run over the minority and that the minority can actually stop any legislation they deem they dont like or need. And it works well. To the democrats shagrin.
Our form of government ensures you have to negotiate with the minority. So that people like you dont give just lip service to the grievances of a minority.

#132 | POSTED BY BOAZ

No.

Our form of government means a MINORITY can run over the majority.

It's why California has two Senators but so does North Dakota.

And why a vote for President in California isn't worth nearly as much as a vote in Wyoming.

#135 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-09-01 06:54 PM | Reply

Our form of government is done to ensure the majority doesnt run over the minority and that the minority can actually stop any legislation they deem they dont like or need. And it works well. To the democrats shagrin.

Our form of government ensures you have to negotiate with the minority. So that people like you dont give just lip service to the grievances of a minority.

#132 | Posted by boaz

Always funny to watch people argue in favor of an unfair system simply because they think they benefit from the unfairness.

Tell me why it's ethical for a minority group to enforce policies on a majority group, but unethical for a majority group to enforce policies on a minority group.

#136 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 06:56 PM | Reply

#134 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

I like your posts. Keep our chins up and let these ---------- devour themselves.
Could take some time, mind you.

#137 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-09-01 06:57 PM | Reply

BOAZ

Why should rural-dwellers have political power disproportionate to their numbers? Seriously, what is the rationale for that? Do they somehow have more "value"? If so, what value, exactly? How is it measured?

#138 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-09-01 07:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Could take some time, mind you.
#137 | POSTED BY SCHIFFERBRAINS

Yeah, I know. I've been banging my head on this wall since 2005.

#139 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-09-01 07:03 PM | Reply

Our form of government ensures you have to negotiate with the minority. So that people like you dont give just lip service to the grievances of a minority.

#132 | POSTED BY BOAZ

It doesn't assume the minority will take hostages. Any nation that works that way is inherently unstable and long-term unsustainable. It is an upside-down pyramid. It will eventually topple. Time will prove it (as it has so many times in history).

#140 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-09-01 07:17 PM | Reply

A "Strong Man" will come along to "save" the country from the chaos created by those undeserving "others" and establish order.

He will then determine that in order to maintain that order, he will have to "suspend" elections for a while to prevent the revolution from being destroyed by the "reactionaries"

Eventually, it will be just another right-wing dictatorship. Admit it, that's what you guys really want, anyway.

#141 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-09-01 07:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I expect the Church of Satan to sue based on a violation of their religious freedoms.

#142 | Posted by bored at 2021-09-01 07:56 PM | Reply

And the people supporting this are same ones who can be seen at an anti-vax demonstration holding signs that state

"MY BODY - MY DECISION".

OCU

#143 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-09-01 08:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The next you know, Texas will have a law where a 'citizen' who suspects someone of casting an invalid ballot will be able to sue them for $10,000 plus legal fees.

Note that this new law also prevents anyone who is sued but WINS in court, they're not allowed to recover THEIR legal fees, but if the vigilante wins, you have to pay HIS legal fees as well as your own.

OCU

#144 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-09-01 08:16 PM | Reply

Our form of government means a MINORITY can run over the majority.

It's why California has two Senators but so does North Dakota.

And why a vote for President in California isn't worth nearly as much as a vote in Wyoming.

#135 | Posted by Sycophant

That's not enough advantage for republicans. They're so repulsive to most people that they need to cheat even more to win.

#145 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-01 09:02 PM | Reply

#104 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Pay to Play and all that

#146 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-09-01 09:31 PM | Reply

Texas.

The Vigilante State.

We pay you $$$ to turn in your neighbor! You are all deputized.

"Badges? We ain't got no badges! We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinking badges!"

What a -------- of a State. Florida thanks you for taking the spotlight for a bit.

#147 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-01 09:33 PM | Reply

Do women and men consider abortion as an alternative to contraception in the United States? An exploratory study

The USA, a country with widespread access to the full range of modern methods of contraception, continues to have one of the highest abortion rates among developed countries. Forty-nine per cent of women reported ever experiencing an unintended pregnancy in 2001; 48% of these conceptions occurred during a month that contraception was used. We explored the extent to which people use contraception and abortion interchangeably to achieve their fertility goals via focus groups (n=4) and semi-structured in-depth interviews (IDIs) (n=18) with men and women between the ages of 18 and 35 in New York City in 2006. While there was a consensus that abortion cannot replace contraceptive use, poor couple communication, lack of planning, lack of acceptable contraceptive methods and the pleasures that people associate with having unprotected sex result in the perception that some individuals rely on abortion over contraception to prevent unintended births. Men and women both identified women as solely in charge of avoiding an unwanted pregnancy and resolving it should one occur. No one supported repeat abortions for themselves or others, and many respondents perceived multiple abortions to lead to infertility, which strengthens their position that substituting abortion for contraception is unacceptable.

www.tandfonline.com

#148 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-01 09:36 PM | Reply

If anyone is actually interested in what Texans do and do not want in their state, stop speculating and read something somewhere:

Most Texas voters support expanded gambling in the state, and a clear majority would legalize marijuana in some capacity. Half of them would leave Confederate statues and monuments in place, either as is or with added historical context. They remain split when it comes to the state's abortion laws, but the number wanting stricter abortion laws has fallen over the last year, while those wanting less strict laws has risen.
www.texastribune.org

#149 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-01 09:53 PM | Reply

Texas.
The Vigilante State.
We pay you $$$ to turn in your neighbor! You are all deputized.
"Badges? We ain't got no badges! We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinking badges!"
What a -------- of a State. Florida thanks you for taking the spotlight for a bit.
#147 | POSTED BY YAV

Sounds like the Philippines.

#150 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-01 09:54 PM | Reply

Elizabeth Warren Says 'No' When Asked If Comparing New Texas Abortion Law to Handmaid's Tale Is 'Hyperbolic'

Oh damn!

#151 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-01 09:57 PM | Reply

Perhaps the country needs to ban Texas... a boycott is in order.

I plan to never vacation there again... hell I won't even drive through any part of it on my road trips. I won't buy anything made in Texas or from businesses based in Texas or Texans.

skru-em all if they made it happen or let it happen. They can be part of Mexico again... they are already acting like it with their low wages, high poverty and now this?

#152 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-09-01 11:16 PM | Reply

This is really, really bad.
This brought to you by the same morons that scream "FREEEDUMB!" over wearing a mask, and scream out "My body, my choice."

The sheer idiocy and imposition of their brand of taliban morality on women will last decades.

This has to end now.

Biden needs to pack the court and neutralize this SCOTUS corruption.

This "decision" was 5/4 so Roberts is looking at his Court and dying inside as his legacy becomes "The Roberts Court that brought Sharia Law to America."

#153 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-02 08:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The photo of Abbott signing this disgraceful Talipbaptist bill into law is revealing: www.921hankfm.com

If you don't see the problem after looking at it, then you may not be part of the solution.

#154 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-09-02 08:34 AM | Reply

I really have such a low opinion of these folks I didn't need to see that picture. Damn.

#155 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-02 09:17 AM | Reply

I really have to wonder why Republicans don't care about alienating the moderates when they pass laws like these.

But Democrats don't want to push any progressive policies because then Americans would all go flocking to the Republican Party.

Face it.

This nation if fkkked.

#156 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-02 12:29 PM | Reply

"The photo of Abbott signing this disgraceful Talipbaptist bill into law is revealing."

Oddly enough, Boaz sees himself in that shot.

#157 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 12:30 PM | Reply

Well at least Texas has instituted the 'free right to carry a gun (hopefully loaded) everywhere
in the state' (no license required). Maybe, with enough guns in bars down there they will all start to shoot one
another.

The rest of the country can only hope...

#158 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-09-02 12:50 PM | Reply

Oddly enough, Boaz sees himself in that shot.

He would certainly stand out.

#159 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-09-02 01:05 PM | Reply

So when some anti-abortion goober in another state wants to sue for damages don't they have to show the court what those damages are? This law is going to be soch a disaster for Texax courts that it will create havoc there. The Texas Legislators who wrote this ridiculous law are going to be the laughing stock of the nation.

#160 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-02 01:34 PM | Reply

#124 "Weird. I make a light-hearted joke comparing comparing the bible to Harry Potter (post #65) and Alexandrite is triggered to the point SHE tells me to go ---- myself. I didn't say a bad word to HER."-Goatster

I think Jokester just gave himself away without realizing it (again). How many people with less than 1 year on the DR know that Alexandrite is a female?

I'm not saying it's impossible, but just sayin'

#161 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-09-02 01:36 PM | Reply

"Do women and men consider abortion as an alternative to contraception in the United States? An exploratory study"

I personally don't think any of that matters, it's still a woman's body and her choice and nobody else should anything to say about it.

#162 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-02 01:46 PM | Reply

This "decision" was 5/4 so Roberts is looking at his Court and dying inside as his legacy becomes "The Roberts Court that brought Sharia Law to America."

#153 | POSTED BY YAV

I predict that in the end this will not end well. For Texas.

#163 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-02 02:53 PM | Reply

I agree with you Donner, the law was written in a totally insane, unworkable way. The Antiabortion activists were already taking pictures of people entering abortion clinics.

"It also allows private citizens to sue abortion providers and anyone else who helps a woman obtain an abortion, including those who give a woman a ride to a clinic or provide financial assistance in obtaining an abortion. Private citizens who bring these suits don't need to show any connection to those they are suing. If they prevail, the law entitles them to a minimum of $10,000 in damages, plus attorneys' fees."

This law makes Texas similar to Nazi Germany in that now citizens will be reporting on citizens they don't even know. This is one of the most perverted laws I've ever heard of in the United Since the Civil War. People who support it are perverted.

#164 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-02 04:12 PM | Reply

What a lot of people don't understand is that 'Roe v Wade' wasn't explicitly about abortion. Yes, the case that was being litigated involved whether a doctor could perform an abortion or not, but the ruling applied to the rights of women (actually this would apply to anyone) to confidentially consult with their doctor and that the state had no right to interfere with a medical procedure being done for a medically valid reason. And since medical abortions, which over the years were recorded using various other medical terminology, had been performed when there was a medical reason, it was therefore a legitimate procedure. The court simply said that the state had no right to dictate what is or is not a medically valid reason. That was between the patient and their doctor, and NO one else.

Now for years, the Republican party, while they may have never been a champion of abortion rights, chose to just take no real stance on 'Roe v Wade' one way or the other since it complied with many of the principles traditionally espoused by the GOP. That is, personal privacy, personal responsibility, keeping the government out of the personal affairs of citizens, small government, etc. It wasn't until the Reagan era when the Religious Right went to the Republican party and explained that there was untapped riches to be had if they would simply come out against abortion (along with contraception and sex education). So it was for manna, pure and simple, that the GOP decided that, despite it going against their long held principles, they were going to be champions of the unborn (of course, once that baby was delivered, they were back to their personal responsibility and keeping the government out of the personal affairs of citizens crap).

BTW, some people have noted that overturning 'Roe v Wade' could be akin to killing the Goose that's laying the Golden eggs. Will the pro-life Right continue to pour millions into the coffers of the GOP once they get what they wanted? Of course, they could turn their focus to other 'social issues', like birthright citizenship, integrated schools (hell, for that matter, public education itself), racially mixed marriages, gay rights, Social Security, the ACA, Medicare/Medicaid, the IRS, etc. And if you want to go all out paranoid on this, IF the Supreme Court eventually rules that the Texas approach, making something a civil issue that any citizen can take to court rather than having a state make it criminal, what's to stop hard Right-leaning states from going after a few of those other 'social issues' in a similar manner?

But getting back to the actual 'law' established by 'Roe v Wade', if it's overturned, what does that do for this idea that a person can confidentially consult with their doctor over the types and reasons why they're having a medical procedure? Will people have to sign a government disclosure form whenever they visit their doctor. Now before someone says that will never happen, remember in 'Roe v Wade' when the judges were talking about the 'state', they were being literal since there is nothing in the Constitution which even mentions privacy, let alone medical procedures, the Supreme's explicitly said this applied to the STATES and not the federal government (which again at one time complied with Republican support for state's rights). That's why there has never been any serious attempt to introduce any anti-abortion legislation at the federal level because the courts have always said that this was an issue for the states to manage, and as long as 'Roe v Wade' was the law-of-the-land, a citizen's right to confidentially, when it came to medical procedures, was protected, so there was no need for any sort of 'freedom of choice' legislation at the federal level either.

Anyway, this is a lot more complicated than most people realize.

OCU

#165 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-09-02 05:02 PM | Reply

Welcome to Nazi Germany, many states are already talking about enating similar laws. I thi-aortionk it is time to change our term for abortion activists simply as NAZIS. Do I hate them? Yes I do.

#166 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-02 06:50 PM | Reply

" I thi-aortionk it is time to change our term for abortion activists simply as NAZIS."

I think you meant anti-abortion actiists.

#167 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-02 06:51 PM | Reply

From now on, anti-abortionists will be, by me, simpy referred to as Nazis.

#168 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-02 06:51 PM | Reply

Boycott Texas.

#169 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-02 06:54 PM | Reply

Tired of this country and its neverending
culture wars...think I'm headed back to Ireland for retirement. If the GOP has to nuke the concept of what I knew growing up as America, then they can choke on the bitter of the cesspool they are creating for all I care. My son and I will just pick up and leave. There are more civilized areas in the world.

#170 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-09-02 09:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#170 - I hear you. I don't mean to outdo you, but at least you appear to be tolerant of progressives. I'm not. They killed my Democratic party. So I'm stuck with the conservatives who suck and an infested Democratic party. Oh, for the party of Roosevelt again before the progressives trashed it.

My roots are too deep here to leave, and I still do love this country. I just can't abide the the corrupt corporate owned cesspool that runs it.

#171 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-02 09:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oddly enough, Boaz sees himself in that shot.
#157 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

If Boaz was in that room, he probably would be shot.

#172 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-02 09:14 PM | Reply

Do I hate them? Yes I do.

#166 | Posted by dann

We know. All the hate comes from liberals like you.

#173 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-02 09:22 PM | Reply

#173 - Danni is not a liberal. She's a progressive. There's a difference. A big difference.

#174 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-02 09:26 PM | Reply

"If Boaz was in that room, he probably would be shot."

Seems to me, on Day 1 of The Revolution According To Boaz, he'll have a grand, grand day: shooting librulz, unrepentant blacks, and the likes of the bride and me, white folks who dare to believe in America, and who are--frankly--easy targets.

Day 2 he'll get fragged. By someone who won't wait to see "the whites of his...

...existence.

#175 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-02 10:30 PM | Reply

Do I hate them? Yes I do.

#166 | Posted by dann
We know. All the hate comes from liberals like you.

#173 | POSTED BY BOAZ A

You hate libruls boaz it is clear in everything you post. the difference between danni and you is danni isnt a liar.

#176 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-02 11:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-You hate libruls boaz it is clear in everything you post. the difference between danni and you is danni isnt a liar.

That's really a ringing endorsement of anything she says.

But you should judge those to be haters FIRST by acknowledging who actually uses the word "hate".

Assigning hate is lazy. I'm guilty of it at times.

#177 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-02 11:05 PM | Reply

"But you should judge those to be haters FIRST by acknowledging who actually uses the word "hate"."

I find it distressing how some people wish death or bad fortune on others with such nonchalance. That is a form of hate as well -- an extreme form in fact.

#178 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-02 11:17 PM | Reply

They are trying to subjugate women. That's a lot more distressing that whatever emotional response it provokes. Actions speak louder than words and.

They've earned whatever hate comes their way.

Plus, since this matters to some people, they started it.

#179 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 11:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#175 The scariest part of Night Of The Living Dead was the ending.

#180 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-02 11:32 PM | Reply

The GQP just lost the votes of most women in this country. Any woman who would support this is f***** crazy! We are now in a war against thek crazy people. The amplification of that will end up where? But the anger is going to be amplified. The anti=abortio folks may now find out that the other side will fight back, and not just with words. They have felt securwe to think that our side won't fight back with weaponsm just like them, a very bad miscaldulation. the people who do believe in women's rights will fight back. And they will do so more strongly and more power fully than any of the anti-abortion people expect or be able
Look out arrogant a******w, you are now going to get your head handed to you on a platter. We are sick of you and sick of the things you do to women. Time to pay the piper. Guys like Abbott and DeathSantis are going to get their just desserts.......

#181 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-03 12:03 AM | Reply

"The GQP just lost the votes of most women in this country. "

Then why are you so angry and hysterical? I would think this would make your day!

#182 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-03 12:07 AM | Reply

---- you, jake

#183 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-03 12:11 AM | Reply

"Danni is not a liberal. She's a progressive. There's a difference. A big difference."

In your head only.

"#166 | Posted by dann
We know. All the hate comes from liberals like you."

No Boaz, the hate comes from people like you who think a 16 year old girl should have to bring a child to term from a rape. That's hate. Own it.

#184 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-03 02:31 AM | Reply

And yes BOAZ, there are no exceptions in the Texas anti-abortion abomination for rape or ------. Are you aware of that? Now you are.

#185 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-03 02:32 AM | Reply

And, just so you know Boaz, I have not understanding, sympathy or empathy for haters who think a raped girl of 16 years old should not be allowed to have an abortion. I'm just glad there are other states not run by psychos where she can go get the services she needs despite the misogynist f**ks like you. I sincerely hope you have no daughters or even a wife. Because it is quite obvious that, to you, women and girls are things to be used instead of valued. If you really hate women that much then be gay, you'll fit in well.

#186 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-03 02:40 AM | Reply

Excpt that most gay men, and I've known many, don't hate women they just aren't interested in sex with them...well except for the one's who are bi, and that is more common than you think. Yes, I have known gay men who hate women but even the other gay men think they are psychos.

#187 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-03 02:45 AM | Reply

#183 - "That's hate. Own it."

So is wishing people ill or even dead, something I've seen you do several times, Danni. Own it.

#188 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-03 05:24 AM | Reply

#187
DANNI ...
" Excpt that most gay men, and I've known many, don't hate women they just aren't interested in sex with them"

That's been my experience as well. Not hate, just a lack of interest - although that doesn't take in the women with lots of gay (read: probably relatively "safe") friends.

#189 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-09-03 07:00 AM | Reply

From the state that effective last in infant mortality, children without health care, education, children starving etc....its cute to see them pretending this is about children.

This bill is not about children...its about owning women.

#190 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-09-03 07:13 AM | Reply

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#191 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-09-03 07:22 AM | Reply

The GQP just lost the votes of most women in this country.

There are plenty of women that support this bill because they are TOLD to do support it by the MEN in their CHURCH.

TX ranks:

LAST for child health care
41st for unwed mothers
LAST in high school graduates
LAST in children with health insurance
49th in WIC benefits
48th in SAT scores
48th in child protection services
45th in secondary teachers with degrees in the courses they teach
45th in women receiving mammograms
37th in prenatal care
43 in education

#192 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-09-03 07:24 AM | Reply

PS I thought people protesting outside of Planned Parenthood was bad enough, but this takes the harassment of women seeking reproductive consultation and care to a whole new intrusive, dangerous level.

#193 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-09-03 07:28 AM | Reply

"There are plenty of women that support this bill because they are TOLD to do support it by the MEN in their CHURCH."

And Amy Coney Barrett is at the top of that list.

#194 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-09-03 07:30 AM | Reply

We are sick of you and sick of the things you do to women.

Relax Danni. You are still in America, the best place in the world to be if you are a woman.

And, just so you know Boaz, I have not understanding, sympathy or empathy for haters who think a raped girl of 16 years old should not be allowed to have an abortion.

I think we should just teach the 16 year old to not have sex in the first place, to teach the morality of marriage and abstinence, but you wont see that on any abortion protest card.

I mean, if we did that, where would we get all the black single mothers you Democrats need to depend on you?

#195 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 07:34 AM | Reply

This is what happens when women are considered to be nothing more than some man's property:

Florida's former GOP Speaker of the House called women a "host body."

Today, his colleagues moved to enact a fascist Texas bill to ban abortion.

twitter.com

And you wonder why we refer to so many rightwing Christians in this country as the American Taliban. Wonder no more.

#196 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-09-03 07:35 AM | Reply

"I mean, if we did that, where would we get all the black single mothers you Democrats need to depend on you?"

It's not Democrats who want to keep poor women pregnant and barefoot and dependent on the state:

twitter.com

#197 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-09-03 07:38 AM | Reply

"Relax Danni. You are still in America, the best place in the world to be if you are a woman."

Not all parts of America are equal as Nixon's post #192 points out.

#198 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-09-03 07:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#198,

Then dont live in those "parts".

#199 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 07:48 AM | Reply

And Gal,

If you truly feel the U.S. is so bad to women, I'm sure, there a woman in Afghanistan who would LOVE to take your place right at this moment.

You are free to go there anytime.

#200 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 07:49 AM | Reply

"Relax Danni. You are still in America, the best place in the world to be if you are a woman."

Ah, of course, BOAZ, expert spokesperson for the ladies.
What a condescending jerk you are.

#201 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-09-03 07:50 AM | Reply

"there a woman in Afghanistan who ... "

Maybe can help you with your English?

#202 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-09-03 07:51 AM | Reply

I do think that #191 is a bit much.

#203 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 08:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

What a condescending jerk you are.

Have you ever ferried a woman into a waiting helicopter because she is running from the Taliban? Have you ever placed a woman to safety because she may be killed by another man in a combat zone, where that man was shooting at you too?

I have.

And I'm one of the few on this blog who can claim that.

I've actually put my life on the line for other peoples in other countries, especially women.

Have you?

Can you STFU now?

#204 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 08:09 AM | Reply

Maybe can help you with your English?

Nothing wrong with my sentence.

And as usual, a troll who comments on the person instead of the topic.

At least Gal is talking about the subject at hand, you know, debating..

You are just person bashing because you have no real argument. You are the problem in this world.

#205 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 08:11 AM | Reply

#203 - a bit much?

F**k this law, ---- every single person that voted for it. F**k the Supreme Court members that let this go into effect. F**k anyone that expands this to other states.

Biden needs to expand SCOTUS, neutralize the corruption that Trump installed there and start systematically dismantling this kind of authoritarian sharia --------.

It's time to seriously ramp things up.

#206 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 08:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#204
Whatever you did or claim to have done while serving in pharaoh's army doesn't get you a mulligan for being a condescending jerk.

#207 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-09-03 08:15 AM | Reply

You know what Blue states should do?

Do this same law for guns. Anyone seen with a gun? Sue them. Anyone helping someone get a gun? Sue them. Make the entire population bounty hunters.

See how long the Supreme Court sits on its fat conservative ass then!

#208 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 08:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You are the problem in this world."

Call your pharmacy, Boaz, and tell them you need a refill.

#209 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-09-03 08:17 AM | Reply

Given the state of gun laws in TX and the degree of empowerment this law gives folks, it shouldn't be too long before someone gets plugged. Yee-haw!

#210 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-09-03 08:30 AM | Reply

#206,

Sorry Yav. The people want this. Your anger is the start of civil war.

Which is why I have said from the beginning, issues like Abortion and Gun rights should be left alone in this country. These are the two issues that will split the nation.

Instead of having states that agree with these points of view, which is how we are supposed to be.

We have states that heavily regulate weapons. Know what I do? I dont go there. It's their right to regulate firearms, but I have a right to live somewhere weapons arent as regulated. And I do.

That's simple. In my opinion, abortion should be a state issue. But liberals want everyone else to live like them and cant leave well enough alone.

#211 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 08:33 AM | Reply

This is absolutely insane. The Supreme Court's Justices that voted to let this law go into effect should be impeached and removed. This is unacceptable. This isn't even a nuanced call. This was total corruption and the imposition of a personal religious belief system on the people of the United States in direct violation of the law established through rulings in Roe V Wade and Casey.

#212 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 08:36 AM | Reply

Sorry Yav. The people want this. Your anger is the start of civil war.

You don't speak for "the people" Boaz. The people don't want this at all. The polls are clear.

My anger is the start? That coming from YOU? You that have hoped for and said you want a civil war? YOU that said you want to take liberals out behind and start shooting them?

You want this anger, Boaz, because you want a civil war.

Own it. Be honest. This is what you've been hoping for.

You are a traitor to everything you say you served to protect.

#213 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 08:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But liberals want everyone else to live like them and cant leave well enough alone.

Exactly the opposite. Liberals want others to make their own personal, internal choices - just like liberals do - and for the state (others) to stay out of the process and focus on their own lives, not someone else's.

So you're right but not in the way you think. Liberals champion liberty for all to live PRIVATELY like they want to and make their own decisions within their own personal lives, but also agree that once in PUBLIC everyone must follow the same external laws and rules while receiving equal treatment mandated by the state, ie, the Constitution.

#214 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-03 08:42 AM | Reply

You want this anger, Boaz, because you want a civil war.
Own it. Be honest. This is what you've been hoping for.
You are a traitor to everything you say you served to protect.

#213 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2021-09-03 08:40 AM

Boaz doesn't realize what his life would be like if the country split and he tried to stay on the conservative side. His life as a black man would go down the tubes. He would become a second class citizen. Boaz you do realize what your white redneck friends call you behind your back right?

#215 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-09-03 08:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kudos to Tony for trying to bring this back down to the logical and factual. Good luck, Tony.

#216 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 08:53 AM | Reply

You don't speak for "the people" Boaz.

Then neither do you.

#217 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:01 AM | Reply

I didn't pretend to speak for them, Boaz. That was you. I read the polls and use data. I don't pull it out of my ass because it's what I want to believe.

news.gallup.com
www.npr.org

#218 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 09:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Boaz doesn't realize what his life would be like if the country split and he tried to stay on the conservative side. His life as a black man would go down the tubes. He would become a second class citizen. Boaz you do realize what your white redneck friends call you behind your back right?

You are assuming white people are inherently racist.

I live amongst those "deplorables" and "rednecks". My values are like them. Many of them are my friends. I know some are racist. They dont hide it, some do. You can tell the difference. I have alot more in common with those people than I will ever have with a coastal racist liberal.

What you dont know is, there are many blacks like me and we dont rely on racist rednecks. If the country were to split, no doubt there would be a KKK or white supremacist gang out there. There would also be black supremacist gangs, you liberals dont want to talk about them. But those would be small and few. There would be many more organizations like mine, with blacks and white together, conservative people. Armed people. Things would go back to local. Where it should be.

You cant scare me into thinking the south would rise again. Those days are over. Go scare your democrat blacks in that. Times have changed. The country isnt nearly as racist as you think.

I'd be more concerned about black supremacists in these times than white.

#219 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:08 AM | Reply

No one speaks for everyone, but one can access the public's consensus on issues through reputable polling.

But to take the anti-abortion legislation and transfer it to anti-gun usage would leave us with states empowering citizens to sue anyone using their guns for an illegal purposes; suing the person who sold said user his ammunition; suing whomever sold said person his firearm; and if applicable, suing anyone who might have transported said gun user to the location where the gun was illegally discharged.

These types of laws aren't just a slippery slope, they're a cliff once lept from will only lead to tragedy for all sides.

#220 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-03 09:10 AM | Reply

So you're right but not in the way you think.

Actually, I am right and you truly dont want to admit it.

Decentralization is the way to go with a country as diverse as the United States. A central method isnt going to work here and our founding fathers knew that.

Liberals champion liberty for all to live PRIVATELY like they want to and make their own decisions within their own personal lives, but also agree that once in PUBLIC everyone must follow the same external laws and rules while receiving equal treatment mandated by the state, ie, the Constitution.

The constitution doesnt mandate laws, it guarantees rights, and that's the problem liberals have. Liberals have always hated when a locality doesnt agree with it, so it wants to look to an all power entity to whip them into compliance. The problem for liberals though, the constitution solidifies rights, not create laws.

#221 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:12 AM | Reply

but one can access the public's consensus on issues through reputable polling.

Depends.

A poll in California most certainly would not mirror the views of my community. Combining the two would be an injustice.

#222 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:13 AM | Reply

-Boaz doesn't realize what his life would be like if the country split and he tried to stay on the conservative side. His life as a black man would go down the tubes. He would become a second class citizen. Boaz you do realize what your white redneck friends call you behind your back right?

Still?

Still insisting that Boaz's skin color REQUIRES him to adhere to a specific political ideology?

BTW, I completely disagree with this and have my concerns the SCOTUS will NOT reverse it.

#223 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 09:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-You don't speak for "the people" Boaz. The people don't want this at all. The polls are clear.

If we want to contain this, states where abortion rights poll better had best prepare for similar legislation to try to take hold.

Every state. Act as if NO State is safe from this.

But what we all expect to see is a diminishing number of pro-choice people sitting home come next election.

#224 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 09:21 AM | Reply

In Texas it's a minority that wants more strict laws, polling most favorably with white males conservatives and least favorably with minority liberals. 1 in 5 don't want the laws changed at all, and another 1 in 5 doesn't know nor care.

#225 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-03 09:22 AM | Reply

"Your community."

How convenient. I bet you get to decide how large that "community" is based on when that "community" starts to disagree with you.

You think your "freedom" is diminished because other people won't choose what you want? Do you think that a woman that was raped by her father and seeks an abortion, that her getting an abortion is taking something away from you?

Your "community" is protected only when people have choice.

#226 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 09:22 AM | Reply

#224 - Eberly, how's that old argument of yours wearing these days? You know the one. The one about Supreme Court and Abortion never being overturned?

#227 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 09:23 AM | Reply

You think your "freedom" is diminished because other people won't choose what you want?

Do you?

#228 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:26 AM | Reply

Do you think that a woman that was raped by her father and seeks an abortion

And how often does that happen Yav? And what would happen to that father today as opposed to 50 years ago?

You cant really be basing your argument off this..

#229 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:26 AM | Reply

I bet you get to decide how large that "community" is based on when that "community" starts to disagree with you.

Well, why would someone be somewhere the culture disagrees with them? Only liberals do that. Go intrusively into cultures where they dont belong and try to change those cultures to liberal beliefs..

#230 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:28 AM | Reply

And please stop with the "abortion is being banned" --------.

Abortion is not being banned in Texas. A woman is just going to have to make up her mind before it's actually a human in her body and she's committing murder.

#231 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:29 AM | Reply

227

Good question. I need to understand the process of how the supreme court will eventually rule on this issue. They won't hear it now.....but what about the future?

#232 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 09:34 AM | Reply

Why is it ok to put limits on gun rights but not abortion?

#233 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:35 AM | Reply

The one about Supreme Court and Abortion never being overturned?

Abortion hasnt been overturned and never will be.

#234 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:37 AM | Reply

The constitution doesnt mandate laws, it guarantees rights, and that's the problem liberals have.

Liberals don't have that problem, conservatives do. With rights come responsibilities - THAT'S where conservatives fly off the tracks. No one can have a right to anything without attendant responsibilities that go along with said rights. And oftentimes those responsibilities come in the form of rules and regulations so that someone's personally held rights cannot override another person's equal personally held rights in the public square.

Rights do not exist in a vacuum and might never makes right. No one needs to chose where to live based on how others around them do. As I repeat, you have zero understanding that our constitutional rights are held by EVERY individual regardless of what state or region they live in. And the only way rights are protected is by laws which support them.

You cannot separate laws from rights (unless you champion anarchy) because they have to coexist together.

#235 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-03 09:38 AM | Reply

I would concede right now that if the SCOTUS rules to allow Texas to keep that law on the books to narrow abortion on demand to be illegal after the 6 week period that I was wrong.

I would have never seen that coming. I also didn't see 8 years of Obama and 4 years of Trump to result in the current supreme court make up.

#236 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 09:42 AM | Reply

"Why is it ok to put limits on gun rights but not abortion?"

Nonsense question.

Roe allows the States to put limits on abortion.

#237 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-03 09:42 AM | Reply

And please stop with the "abortion is being banned" --------.
Abortion is not being banned in Texas. A woman is just going to have to make up her mind before it's actually a human in her body and she's committing murder.

#231 | POSTED BY BOA

You do realize that many women dont even know their pregnant until 6 weeks?

#238 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 09:43 AM | Reply

BTW, I completely disagree with this and have my concerns the SCOTUS will NOT reverse it.
#223 | POSTED BY EBERLY

^
You also swore, many times, you would never have to say that.

#239 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-03 09:43 AM | Reply

Abortions don't kill people, guns do.

#240 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 09:44 AM | Reply

Wow, Boaz.
You'd be wrong in everything you responded to me with.

#241 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 09:46 AM | Reply

A woman is just going to have to make up her mind before it's actually a human in her body and she's committing murder.

How can a woman "make up her mind" if she doesn't yet know that she's carrying a zygote? And where in America is a non-viable zygote considered equal to an ex-vitro human being whose intentional demise by another carries homicide charges?

And when did Roe get overturned? As it stands, the current reticence of the SCOTUS to stop the implementation of the Texas law tacitly means that Texas woman can only receive abortion services for 6 weeks post conception without facing draconian legal sanctions not from the state, but from other individuals meddling in the lives of people they have no right to be involved in!

This isn't a conservative position, it's a big-state, vigilantism position, something no liberal would ever stand for against anyone because it's simply wrong.

#242 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-03 09:48 AM | Reply

Roe allows the States to put limits on abortion.

#237 | Posted by snoofy

Then what are we arguing about?

#243 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:48 AM | Reply

Wow, Boaz.
You'd be wrong in everything you responded to me with.

#241 | Posted by YAV

Nope. You are actually wrong.

#244 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:49 AM | Reply

if she doesn't yet know that she's carrying a zygote?

No, it's a baby.

#245 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:50 AM | Reply

"So is wishing people ill or even dead, something I've seen you do several times, Danni. Own it."

Society would be much better of if some people were dead and buried. I will own that.

#246 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-03 09:50 AM | Reply

and might never makes right.

Of course, on that point, I would have to disagree.

And women in Afghanistan right now would too..

#247 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:51 AM | Reply

You care more about women in Afghanistan than you do about women here. Here you're too busy trying to bring sharia law to America and force them to submit to you.

#248 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 09:52 AM | Reply

#248,

Now that's stupid, Yav. If you dont want to debate then STFU. Dont act like a spoiled child.

#249 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:55 AM | Reply

No, it's a baby.

No, it's a zygote for the first two weeks, then an embryo from the 2nd week until the 8th. At 6 weeks, it is not a baby. We cannot have intelligent conversations if we cannot agree on what words actually mean.

A baby can live and develop outside of its mother's womb. A zygote/embryo cannot.

#250 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-03 09:56 AM | Reply

"Abortion hasnt been overturned and never will be."

It has been in s**t h**e states like Texas.

"This isn't a conservative position, it's a big-state, vigilantism position, something no liberal would ever stand for against anyone because it's simply wrong."

It's Nazification. It is a foot in the door for the Nazi Party to begin a reign of terror.

#251 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-03 09:57 AM | Reply

And you still havent answered #243,

If RvW lets states put restrictions on abortion, as Texas just did, what are we arguing about?

#252 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 09:57 AM | Reply

Still insisting that Boaz's skin color REQUIRES him to adhere to a specific political ideology?
BTW, I completely disagree with this and have my concerns the SCOTUS will NOT reverse it.
POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2021-09-03 09:18 AM

He isn't required to do anything. He is saying that he doesn't care about his own people and in effect is hurting his own family. He doesn't care though as long as he lines his own pockets. There is a name for people like him though. He knows it well. If he wants to be a second class citizen I say let him then.

#253 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-09-03 09:58 AM | Reply

if she doesn't yet know that she's carrying a zygote?
No, it's a baby.

#245 | POSTED BY BOAZ

There you go changing the definition of things, iow lying.

baby
/bb"/
Learn to pronounce
noun
1.
a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.

zygote
/zt/
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nounBIOLOGY
a diploid cell resulting from the fusion of two haploid gametes; a fertilized ovum.

you should REALLY be careful about applying the definition of baby to a zygote-unexpected consequences and all

#254 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 10:01 AM | Reply

"Abortion is not being banned in Texas. A woman is just going to have to make up her mind before it's actually a human in her body and she's committing murder."

Boaz gets to make the rules for all of us women. That's because he values freedumb so much. When you pretend that your will should be law then you don't actually believe in freedom at all.

#255 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-03 10:02 AM | Reply

Now that's stupid, Yav. If you dont want to debate then STFU. Dont act like a spoiled child.

You keep bringing them up as if it means something, Boaz. You're hiding behind them to rationalize your horrid stance on women's freedom of choice in America.

#256 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 10:03 AM | Reply

#283 - "He is saying that he doesn't care about his own people ..."

You unwittingly underscored what Eberly said. I don't pretend to speak for Boaz, but from I read in his posts he sees "his own people" as the American people, not specifically black people. I feel he cares greatly about his own people, the Americans.

Boaz is free to correct me if my supposition is wrong, of course.

#257 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-03 10:04 AM | Reply

#254,

Sorry Truth,

But no amount of liberal re-definition is going to change the truth.

In my opinion, when a woman gets pregnant, it's a baby. Viability we can argue, but I'm only willing to go so far.

#258 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 10:05 AM | Reply

If RvW lets states put restrictions on abortion, as Texas just did, what are we arguing about?

RvW doesn't allow these kinds of restrictions. If you had even an inkling of knowledge about what you're trying to talk about it would make this way easier. You think that because RvW allows some kinds of restrictions that means it allows all kinds. That's the thinking of a child.

#259 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 10:05 AM | Reply

#257,

You are correct Jakester..

#260 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 10:07 AM | Reply

Boaz, my ex wife had a miscarriage at 14 weeks. I won't give you the details, but it was a hellish experience and nearly cost her her life. It was incredibly traumatic for both of us. To the point where I have nightmares about it 20 years later.

And the thing is, the miscarriage presented as a back alley abortion would have.

So, if that had occurred in Texas today, my ex wife would have been subjected to vigilantes suing her compounding her trauma with depositions and court hearings and legal fees.

That would have been, well, beyond words how horrendous it would have been.

#261 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 10:08 AM | Reply

#259,

I dont know what to tell you Yav.

It seems to me you are having the child like meltdown.

To me I see this the same as liberals wanting restrictions on guns. But you dont want restrictions on abortion. Cant have one without the other.

Can we at least agree on that?

#262 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 10:10 AM | Reply

#254,
Sorry Truth,
But no amount of liberal re-definition is going to change the truth.
In my opinion, when a woman gets pregnant, it's a baby. Viability we can argue, but I'm only willing to go so far.

#258 | POSTED BY BOAZ

see, there you go boaz, YOUR FEELINGS (i.e. opinion) don't matter. Facts matter. Facts are zygote and embryo are DIFFERENT from baby.

These things have legal definitions, which MATTER.

Making a zygote a baby would result in all the benefits and protections of the constitution now apply to zygotes.

You want every woman who has a miscarriage to be investigated for manslaughter, ---- first degree murder?

#263 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 10:11 AM | Reply

#253,

I dont know what conversation you are in, but I have said nothing like that.

And we as a black community are getting rid of people like you, who want to use that derogatory name.

And thank god for that.

#264 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 10:12 AM | Reply

-There is a name for people like him though.

a ni**er who doesn't know his place?

#265 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 10:13 AM | Reply

#257 -

He doesn't view the American people as "his" people. He's openly advocated for shooting all liberals - himself. Or do you not consider liberals Americans, "Jakester" the "real" "liberal"?

Of course fake 'liberal' "Jakester" agrees with Boaz' self-serving redefinition and lie. Of course fake 'liberal' "Jakester" only contribution to this discussion is backing up Boaz.

What a fraud.

#266 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 10:13 AM | Reply

Boaz, my ex wife had a miscarriage at 14 weeks.

Mrs. Boaz has also had a miscarriage around that time. I know the feelings well..

So, if that had occurred in Texas today, my ex wife would have been subjected to vigilantes suing her compounding her trauma with depositions and court hearings and legal fees

I dont know if that's true for a miscarriage.

#267 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 10:14 AM | Reply

But Truth,

I also agree with you that's an unnecessary part of this bill.

#268 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 10:15 AM | Reply

-If he wants to be a second class citizen I say let him then.

How is he a second class citizen?

Please elaborate.

Am I second class citizen as well?

Are you a first class citizen? how so?

what about Yav or Danni? 1st class or second class citizen????

#269 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 10:16 AM | Reply

Facts are zygote and embryo are DIFFERENT from baby.

Eh, philosophically, I disagree.

But I can sort of see your point, in a way.

#270 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 10:17 AM | Reply

Wow Yav, you are having an epic meltdown.

Please stop talking about posters individually and stick to the topic please..

I thought you were more mature than this.

I'm sorry I'm beating you in this debate, but it's no reason for you to get personal. I was actually enjoying talking about the non personal parts of this debate, such as my discussion with Truthhurts.

#271 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 10:18 AM | Reply

a ni**er who doesn't know his place?

#265 | Posted by eberly

No, he means Uncle Tom, a term for blacks who are Americans first and revolutionaries/liberals/Democrats last.

#272 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 10:20 AM | Reply

So, if that had occurred in Texas today, my ex wife would have been subjected to vigilantes suing her compounding her trauma with depositions and court hearings and legal fees
I dont know if that's true for a miscarriage.

#267 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Boaz, THAT is the law we are talking about.

ANYONE can sue the woman and anyone who helped the woman get an abortion after 6 weeks. We were at 14 weeks, people knew she was pregnant-we hadn't learned to not tell people till 20 weeks, we were too excited.

The law would allow anyone to sue us claiming we had a back alley abortion, cause that is what it looked like. And it would take 1 religious nut job to make our lives even worse hell.

Of course, that is the intent of the law, to get it overturned because 3rd parties shouldn't have any standing. So that Planned Parenthood can't sue over more "reasonable" anti-abortion laws.

#273 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 10:20 AM | Reply

-I dont know if that's true for a miscarriage.

One of the reasons why I have always believed abortion rights were secure was the slippery slope of any pregnancy not making it to term being a potential crime scene, if abortion past 6 weeks was illegal.

Was it a miscarriage or not? Was it an abortion called a miscarriage?

Up until now, that distinction isn't necessary to make up until 23 weeks (or whatever the time frame typically is)

By narrowing it all the way down to 6 weeks.....how many pregnancies end between 6 and 23 weeks? My guess is a lot.

Now we have the State of Texas investigating or at least they have the authority to investigate and allow anybody to be sued for performing a D&C eerrr.... abortion

#274 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 10:21 AM | Reply

"I feel he cares greatly about his own people, the Americans."

Everyone except women who he doesn't know, doesn't understand their situation, doesn't know or care if she was raped but he still cares enough to tell them how they have to live their lives. Fortunately for rich women though, they have the ability to travel to another state or country and deal with their own personal issues without his opinion controlling their lives. That is exactly what Roe v Wade changed and now states like Texas are conniving dishonest methods to make it impossible for poor women to take care of their own bodies they way they think they shou

There is a dirty little secret that people like BOAZ don't acknowledge. The main thrust of the anti-abortion movement came when the white race reallized that white women were having abortions and our race was losing our majority of the population but they didn't give a crap if a black woman had an abortion. The anti-abortion movement came out of the Evangelical Christian movement which gained popularity in Christian Academies set up when integration became the law of the land in public schools.
Oh wait, that last paragraph contains too much reality, too much actual history that some folks just can't tolerate. Don't worry Nazis, your party will ban posts like that as soon as they have all the power.

#275 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-03 10:21 AM | Reply

You want every woman who has a miscarriage to be investigated for manslaughter, ---- first degree murder?

I dont think it would come to that. I think that's far on the other end of the spectrum. We have to stop going directly to extremes.

#276 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 10:21 AM | Reply

Eh, philosophically, I disagree.
But I can sort of see your point, in a way.

#270 | POSTED BY BOAZ A

The conservative in you clashing with the control freak.

#277 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 10:21 AM | Reply

#273,

On that, I will agree with you...

#278 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 10:22 AM | Reply

"We have to stop going to extremes" says Boaz, while doing nothing but defending this insane extreme law.

#279 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 10:26 AM | Reply

Mrs. Boaz has also had a miscarriage around that time. I know the feelings well..

No statute of limitations on murder. I say we open an investigation into your wife. There is evidence a crime was committed. Interview her, interview all of her friends and family, subpoena her medical records, DNA tests, lots of intrusive stuff!!

#280 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 10:26 AM | Reply

My post #257 erroneously referenced post #283 (8 right above 5 on the keypad and I wasn't watching). I meant to reference post #253, which by the way was a very insulting post.

#281 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-03 10:26 AM | Reply

Eberly is concerned about this law

Breaking news.

Give me a ------- break.

You helped build this with your nonchalance.

#282 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-09-03 10:27 AM | Reply

Miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a pregnancy before the 20th week. About 10 to 20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage

#283 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 10:27 AM | Reply

You want every woman who has a miscarriage to be investigated for manslaughter, ---- first degree murder?
I dont think it would come to that. I think that's far on the other end of the spectrum. We have to stop going directly to extremes.

#276 | POSTED BY BOAZ

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

to ------- funny boaz, too ------- funny

#284 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 10:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-You helped build this with your nonchalance.

why don't you go join speakstupid in the corner so you can sniff each other's farts.

You helped build this by having not been aborted.

#285 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 10:28 AM | Reply

"I dont think it would come to that. I think that's far on the other end of the spectrum."

Ok, so a guy gets his girl friend pregnant and she has a miscarriage, there is now $10,000 waiting for him if he tells a Texas court that she somehow aborted herself. And you don't think it will come to that. You're just dumb. Of course it will come to that.

#286 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-03 10:30 AM | Reply

#286,

I've already said you idiots I dont agree with that part, what more do you want?

#287 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 10:32 AM | Reply

"I dont think it would come to that. I think that's far on the other end of the spectrum."

BOAZ, once again, disagrees with the facts of science. It shouldn't matter if you think you have a disagreement, it isn't your body we are talking about. When it is then, and only then, you should have a say in what is done.

#288 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-03 10:33 AM | Reply

#284,

Damn, you cant even agree with liberals and not get ridiculed.

I'm not going to agree with you 100%, at least be happy with the 50% we do agree on..

#289 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 10:33 AM | Reply

The suggestion that a natural act as miscarriage could be construed as murder is as absurd as the natural death of a geriatric be construed the same.

#290 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-03 10:33 AM | Reply

The suggestion that a natural act as miscarriage could be construed as murder is as absurd as the natural death of a geriatric be construed the same.

#291 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-03 10:33 AM | Reply

"ANYONE can sue the woman and anyone who helped the woman get an abortion after 6 weeks. We were at 14 weeks, people knew she was pregnant-we hadn't learned to not tell people till 20 weeks, we were too excited."

The absolute insanity of this law is going to cause big problems in Texas. The Texas Legislators and the Governor who signed it are all criminally insane.

#292 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-03 10:34 AM | Reply

boaz doesnt think that if a zygote/embryo is considered a baby that the next logical step is to provide said baby with the protections afforded to "people"

that is some really special kind of either stupidity of naivete right there

#293 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 10:35 AM | Reply

#287 - you said you didn't think that was the way it'd work. Danni just showed how it very well could work. Now you are finally saying "oh." Don't act like you'd made that all clear prior to Danni's post.

in fact your last post prior was this:
"I dont think it would come to that. I think that's far on the other end of the spectrum. We have to stop going directly to extremes."

So no. You didn't say you "don't agree with that part" at all.

#294 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 10:36 AM | Reply

the next logical step is to provide said baby with the protections afforded to "people"

Do they actually make guns that small?

#295 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-09-03 10:36 AM | Reply

#284,
Damn, you cant even agree with liberals and not get ridiculed.
I'm not going to agree with you 100%, at least be happy with the 50% we do agree on..

#289 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT

because your support of laws like this will harm many people lives
and your support is based on falsehoods

#296 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 10:36 AM | Reply

The suggestion that a natural act as miscarriage could be construed as murder is as absurd as the natural death of a geriatric be construed the same.

And more nonsense added to this debate, even when the above has been discussed and discredited since the beginning of this thread, all by fake "liberal" "Jakester." What a fraud.

#297 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 10:37 AM | Reply

the next logical step is to provide said baby with the protections afforded to "people"

That's in the GOP platform. Absolutely clear and without any question.

#298 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 10:39 AM | Reply

The absolute insanity of this law is going to cause big problems in Texas. The Texas Legislators and the Governor who signed it are all criminally insane.

#292 | POSTED BY DANNI

Danni, the intent of the law is that it will be overturned, but not for the reasons you think. It will be overturned citing that 3rd parties don't have standing to enforce the law, ie the $10,000 reward part of the law. That will serve the purpose of setting precedent that 3rd parties don't have standing to sue against anti-abortion laws, i.e. eliminating planned parenthood's practice of fighting laws. That will result in individuals having to suffer the trauma and costs of lawsuits.

More right wing terror, just more subtle

#299 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 10:39 AM | Reply

-what more do you want?

to either stop being black or stop being a conservative, of course.

#300 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 10:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I'm not going to agree with you 100%, at least be happy with the 50% we do agree on.."

BOAZ I am not really concerned with what you think, I care about what state Legislators think and especially right here in Florida where they are already talking about copying the Texas model of outlawing abortion in our state. They are effectively making Roe v Wade irrelevant. Laws like the Texas law won't stop abortions but it will prevent poor women without the funds to travel to a non-Nazi state from having an abortion while women with enough cash can go where they want and do whatever they want. And that was the benefit to women, especially poor women, of Roe v Wade. These 5 bastards on the court who all claimed to believe in precedent from previous decisions of the court are now just letting Texas go around them with a crazy law allowing anyone to sue someone if they think they had or participated in an abortion in any way, even involving people they have don't have any connection to.
I don't care what your opinion on abortion is, that law is something only a Nazi would think up.

#301 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-03 10:43 AM | Reply

I want Byrdman to answer my questions to him in 269.

He's assigning citizen classes to people.

I'd like to know where he came up with his criteria.

#302 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 10:44 AM | Reply

This Texas law is a win-win for the nutjobs. Either the courts don't overturn it or it gets overturned in such a way as to make the next law more stable and likely to survive challenge. It has been part of the plan all along.

Of course, the nutjobs are taking a short sighted view on things, cause the natural response will be for blue states to pass anti-gun laws, police oversight, pollution laws, etc. that are sacred to conservatives with the same provisions, ie private citizens getting rewards for reporting say gun ownership.

And if the precedent is set, the NRA, for example, couldn't sue to protect gun ownership.

#303 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 10:45 AM | Reply

#302 - "He's assigning citizen classes to people.'

And progressives will tell you racism is exclusively a construct of Republicans. Byrdman proved otherwise.

#304 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-03 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Says the fake "liberal." LMAO!

#305 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 10:48 AM | Reply

-This Texas law is a win-win for the nutjobs

Hell, it's a win-win for lobbyists, the media, pundits, and partisans on both sides who can keep this issue alive.

Thanks entirely to Texas Republicans....and the pro-life movement in general.

#306 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 10:49 AM | Reply

"The suggestion that a natural act as miscarriage could be construed as murder is as absurd as the natural death of a geriatric be construed the same."

JAKESTER has never heard of a coat hanger. Women have induced "miscarriages" since the beginning of time. The concept of a safe abortion really came about mostly in the 20th century but women, due to various issues like ------, rape, adultry, poverty, starvation, have induced "miscarriages" for centuries and will do so again in Texas thanks to the Nazis who passed this bill and those who support them on it.
There absolutely will be women dying because of this bill, many of them will already be mothers so this bill will leave many children without their mothers because some white a******e in the Legislature thought his opinion should over rule the needs of poor women he doesn't know and certainly doesn't want to help.

I have to admit that it is obscene to me that we can discuss this obscene law but we can't use the word a*****e.

#307 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-03 10:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pro-life should never be used to define these people. They are only pro-birth.

#308 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 10:50 AM | Reply

what more do you want?
to either stop being black or stop being a conservative, of course.

#300 | POSTED BY EBERLY

how about stop lying and own the ramifications of the things he supports?

#309 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 10:50 AM | Reply

308

fair point...it was a political distinction not a literal one.

#310 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 10:51 AM | Reply

309

how about stop calling me a liar when I'm not lying?

Once you do that, we can continue.

#311 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 10:52 AM | Reply

309
how about stop calling me a liar when I'm not lying?
Once you do that, we can continue.

#311 | POSTED BY EBERLY

you misunderstood my post, I was referring to boaz

#312 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 10:57 AM | Reply

BOAZ I am not really concerned with what you think

I wasnt talking to you. Mind your ------- business.

#313 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 10:58 AM | Reply

BOAZ I am not really concerned with what you think
I wasnt talking to you. Mind your ------- business.

#313 | POSTED BY BOAZ A

Good, good, let the hate flow through you!

#314 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 11:05 AM | Reply

#314,

It's certainly flowing through you liberals..

#315 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 11:06 AM | Reply

Meltdown!

#316 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 11:06 AM | Reply

I wasnt talking to you. Mind your ------- business.

#313 | Posted by boaz

To be grammatically correct, that should be "mind your own ------- business."

You must have been caught up in the hate of the moment ...

#317 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-09-03 11:13 AM | Reply

Eberly quite simple. The group of people he aligns with have been proven to be racists. I know these people well having grown up in Kansas. If it were up to them segregation would return. If the right continues to gain power they will revert this country back to the way it was in the 50's. People like Boaz will have to live in a country where Equal rights are no longer available. Right now it is still dog whistle racism but they are pushing it back into the open. Boaz will be treated as less than equal. I believe his so called friends aren't really friends but people that see Boaz as a useful idiot in order to push their agenda.

#318 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-09-03 11:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#307 | Posted by danni

In the Old Testament, they said to give a woman 'bitter water' to induce a miscarriage if she got pregnant through adultery ...

Which is the ONLY time abortion is mentioned in the Bible these Talibaptists refer to to justify, well, just about anything.

#319 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-09-03 11:18 AM | Reply

#314,
It's certainly flowing through you liberals..

#315 | POSTED BY BOAZ

There is nothing wrong with hate. For example, I hate sand, it's all coarse, and rough, and irritating. And it gets everywhere.

#320 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 11:20 AM | Reply

IOW Boaz is the sand of the DR

#321 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 11:20 AM | Reply

Sand is useful.

#322 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 11:26 AM | Reply

"I don't like sand."

#323 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-03 11:42 AM | Reply

It's certainly flowing through you liberals..
#315 | POSTED BY BOAZ

All the more reason we need guns!

#324 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-03 11:44 AM | Reply

I prefer sandals without sand.

#325 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 11:44 AM | Reply

I prefer Sandy Olsson

#326 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 11:51 AM | Reply

BOAZ

You're mistaking mockery for hate.

No one hates you. It's mostly pity and mockery of your Kool-Aid addled mind.

#327 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-09-03 11:55 AM | Reply

I prefer sans sand sandals

#328 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-09-03 12:12 PM | Reply

"It's certainly flowing through you liberals..",
More like it flows through the Texas Legislature, Governor and the voters who elected them tok pass this Nazi bill that hurts and will even kill some women.

#329 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-03 12:12 PM | Reply

#328 - "I prefer sans sand sandals"

You prefer Lou Gehrig's disease?

#330 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-03 12:15 PM | Reply

From Reddit

TLDR: There is no downside to suing the Texas politicians that passed this law for aiding and abetting abortions. The politicians passed budgets that funded hospitals or clinics that now perform abortions. The law prohibits defendants from getting any attorneys fees or costs. So, other than filing fees, there is no downside to suing the individual politicians.

LONG VERSION:

Here is what the relevant provision of the law says:

Sec. 171.208. CIVIL LIABILITY FOR VIOLATION OR AIDING OR ABETTING VIOLATION. (a) Any person, other than an officer or employee of a state or local governmental entity in this state, may bring a civil action against any person who: (1) performs or induces an abortion in violation of this chapter; (2) knowingly engages in conduct that aids or abets the performance or inducement of an abortion, including paying for or reimbursing the costs of an abortion through insurance or otherwise, if the abortion is performed or induced in violation of this chapter, regardless of whether the person knew or should have known that the abortion would be performed or induced in violation of this chapter; or (3) intends to engage in the conduct described by Subdivision (1) or (2). (b) If a claimant prevails in an action brought under this section, the court shall award: (1) injunctive relief sufficient to prevent the defendant from violating this chapter or engaging in acts that aid or abet violations of this chapter; (2) statutory damages in an amount of not less than $10,000 for each abortion that the defendant performed or induced in violation of this chapter, and for each abortion performed or induced in violation of this chapter that the defendant aided or abetted; and (3) costs and attorney's fees.

(i) Notwithstanding any other law, a court may not award costs or attorney's fees under the Texas Rules of Civil Procedure or any other rule adopted by the supreme court under Section 22.004, Government Code, to a defendant in an action brought under this section.

The key phrase is "knowingly engages in conduct that aids or abets the performance or inducement of an abortion . . . regardless of whether the person knew or should have known that the abortion would be performed or induced in violation of this chapter."

Logically, if the politician knowingly voted for a medical funding bill, then even though the politician did not know that it might cover ANY aspect of an abortion, the politician still violates the law.

And there is no liability for the person suing the politician.

#331 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-03 12:17 PM | Reply

-you misunderstood my post, I was referring to boaz

You were talking to me and that I should own something or other.....belonging to boaz.

I don't own the ramifications of anything he does or believes in.

WTF are you talking about?

#332 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 12:29 PM | Reply

It's open season to sue and you can do so without any repercussions.
You aren't responsible for any court costs if you lose, and if you win you can pocket a minimum of $10,000.
I see this as massive employment opportunity for judges in Texas (and Florida, soon, if the GOP has their way).

#333 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 12:31 PM | Reply

"It's open season to sue and you can do so without any repercussions"

So...could every one of the legislators who voted for the bill get hit with tens of thousands of lawsuits?

#334 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-03 12:40 PM | Reply

I think only anything they do afterwards. It wasn't law at the time of it being passed. This is a tragically horrid clusterf**k of legistlation, IMHO.

#335 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 12:43 PM | Reply

It's mostly pity and mockery of your Kool-Aid addled mind.

#327 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Racist. Is there anymore questions as to who the racists are?

#336 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-03 12:55 PM | Reply

WSJ is not happy about this legislation either.

#337 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 01:05 PM | Reply

Oh. Racist because of "Kool-aid" ignoring that it is a reference to Jim Jones all white clan of suiciders? Clever how you miss the main cultural reference and play the race card, Boaz, when it suits you. "Today, the phrase "drinking the Kool Aid" has mixed, even offensive, meanings to Temple survivors and relatives." But not because of race. www.washingtonpost.com

Learn. For once.

#338 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 01:09 PM | Reply

Racist. Is there anymore questions as to who the racists are?
#336 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Is it the ones who say black culture needs to change to be more like white culture, but whites can't help with that, and whites should mind their own business?

#339 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-03 01:12 PM | Reply

I am so sorry about a mistake I made above in stating Jim Jone's was "all white clan" when it clearly wasn't. Too much editing before I hit post and I didn't preview.

#340 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 01:13 PM | Reply

Kool-Aid racist?
Okay we'll go with Grape Drank then.
Sippin' Sizirrup like Trayvon.

#341 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-03 01:17 PM | Reply

How is he a second class citizen?

He's not white.

Am I second class citizen as well?

No. You're white.

You've got that white privileged.

That's why you don't care who the President is. Which laws are passed, and which are rolled back.

As a white male. You're pretty impervious to any and all regression brought on to our nation by the Republican Party.


what about Yav or Danni? 1st class or second class citizen????
#269 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Yav is gay, Danni is female and gay. They're both second class citizens.

At any moment, laws could be passed to infringe upon their lives.

Welcome to the world outside of your bubble.

#342 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-03 01:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Is there anymore questions as to who the racists are?
#336 | POSTED BY BOAZ

There's never been a question about how racist Republicans are.

You just have to look at their policies.

Bunch confederate, America hating, ignorant racists.

#343 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-03 01:47 PM | Reply

The GOP admits it. Hell, they had a huge "autopsy" and then promptly said "oh hell no!" and nominated and elected the biggest racist in decades to the 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue giving a whole new meaning to the "White House."

Why do people just gloss over all that?

#344 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 01:55 PM | Reply

"If the right continues to gain power they will revert this country back to the way it was in the 50's."

I was talking to an old white guy about white privilege the other day.

When he was just a kid, learning to read, riding around in the car, he read a sign and asked his dad:

"What's a sundown town?"

#MAGA

#345 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-03 02:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's mostly pity and mockery of your Kool-Aid addled mind.

#327 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Racist. Is there anymore questions as to who the racists are?

#336 | Posted by boazi

WTF does my comment have to do with race? Nothing.

You're a very sick man who's eaten up with right wing conspiracies and nonsense.

#346 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-09-03 02:14 PM | Reply

sans

preposition

sanz

Definition of sans

without

Sans (without) sand sandals.

Boo!! You see a bogeyman around every corner and in every comment.

#347 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-09-03 02:16 PM | Reply

Almost everyone would understand what "Kool-Aid addled mind" means; caught up in conspiracies from drinking the Kool-aid.

Guess you need to have it spelled "Qool-Aid" for it to seep into your thought process ...

#348 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-09-03 02:22 PM | Reply

#347 - it was a convoluted joke.

As you said, sans means without out. Sandals without s-a-n-d leaves als. ALS is Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, also known as Lou Gehrig's disease.

No malice intended.

#349 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-03 02:26 PM | Reply

-Yav is gay, Danni is female and gay. They're both second class citizens.

Do they agree with you?

Do you consider yourself a 2nd class citizen?

Understand....I'm not arguing. I agree with you...as a white educated hetro male....I worry less about how politicians impact my life.

#350 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 02:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not to parse words but I do not consider them second class citizens.

They are treated as such by society though.

#351 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-03 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-That's why you don't care who the President is. Which laws are passed, and which are rolled back.

Okay....you know how much I despise having a position assigned to me but in this case, for once, it's at least partly true.

That is why I care less about those things.

When did you start realizing that?

Before, I've been accused of being a racist, KKK member, bigoted, misogynist, homophobic forced birther and I'm just trying hide it.

It's never occurred to you until now that maybe I'm not so concerned about letters after names in politics because I'm just not that concerned about letters after names?

That there is no cryptic hidden satanic cult I'm trying to hide my membership in??

#352 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 02:33 PM | Reply

Well, all I'm seeing is the assignment of 2nd class citizenship by others to individuals.

nobody is standing up and saying "I am a 2nd class citizen".

why? Are you sure you aren't engaging into some victimhood assignment......just a little?

#353 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 02:35 PM | Reply

Not to parse words but I do not consider them second class citizens.
They are treated as such by society though.
#351 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Thank you and completely agreed.

I feel like a second class citizen is a person whose entire life could change based on the passing of a law, like this abortion ban in Texas.

Suddenly the women in this state have had a freedom of theirs taken from them by people who the law doesn't affect.

Like marriage equality being eliminated. Or voting rights being stripped.

#354 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-03 02:38 PM | Reply

Understand....I'm not arguing. I agree with you...as a white educated hetro male....I worry less about how politicians impact my life.
#350 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Newsworthy

#355 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-03 02:53 PM | Reply

#350 Not having that concern is what white privilege is all about.

#356 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-03 02:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Understand....I'm not arguing. I agree with you...as a white educated hetro male....I worry less about how politicians impact my life.
#350 | POSTED BY EBERLY

#350 Not having that concern is what white privilege is all about.
#356 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Also Newsworthy.

#357 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-03 02:59 PM | Reply

So is my question to all of you not clear?

Who here will admit they consider themselves a 2nd class citizen?

Don't assign it to someone else.

Gay, women, gay women, black, gay black, jew, muslim, trans, etc.

Who here considers themselves a 2nd class citizen?

#358 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 03:13 PM | Reply

"Who here considers themselves a 2nd class citizen?"

That's kinda like asking both sides in a war to say which ones are the bad guys.

Let me ask:
What would it mean if someone says they are? What point would that make?

#359 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-03 03:21 PM | Reply

" Who here considers themselves a 2nd class citizen?"

Me.

I'm a pregnant black teen living in Texas who voted drive-thru last time in a borrowed car and can't afford medical travel.

What have you got for me?

#360 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-03 03:32 PM | Reply

That was a tough question to mull over, Eberly, and one I just don't feel like answering. All I'll say is I don't feel like I'm fully equal, and you made me really think about how a black person would feel if I asked them if they felt like a 2nd class citizen. I realized I would never do that. Not after mulling it over in my own mind and feeling what it brought up in me.

#361 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 04:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Uber and Lyft have stated they will pay 100% of the legal fees for any of their drivers that assist a woman in getting an abortion.

F you, GOP.
F you, Texas.
F you Talibaptists, Y'all Qaeda, and Vanilla ISIS.

#362 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 05:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Who here considers themselves a 2nd class citizen?"

Why are you pretending it only exists if it exists in this room?

Instead, pretend you're in a chat room for pregnant teen advice. Would you toss off the new law as cavalierly?

Better yet, let's cut to the chase: do the Texas laws making it harder to vote and harder to exercise the right to make decisions about your own body create a 2nd class citizen?

#363 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-03 07:09 PM | Reply

-I'm a pregnant black teen living in Texas

So, nobody?

Not 1 person can raise their hand?

You're fine with assigning victimhood to other posters.

But not to yourself

#364 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 07:17 PM | Reply

Yav,

I apologize. I missed your response

I can appreciate how tough that must be.

#365 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 07:20 PM | Reply

Thanks, Eberly.

#366 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 07:45 PM | Reply

"You're fine with assigning victimhood to other posters. "

More like, you're fine with pretending other circumstances don't exist.

Is a pregnant teen who just lost a right she's legally supposed to have, a victim? Say, of politicians who are willing to use her as a pawn??? How about someone who was only able to vote due to late-night, drive-thru voting?

You're pretending they don't exist, because they don't happen to exist in this room.

#367 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-03 07:48 PM | Reply

367

I'm not pretending ----. I've posted 30 times on this thread.

I was narrowing my question to people here.

That doesn't mean I'm unaware of the world outside.

But I saw multiple people assigning 2nd class status to Yav.

Well ... .he's in the room. Why don't you ask HIM rather than just volunteer him?

Too much trouble?

I thought I would ask him.

But you think that means I'm ignoring the world.

JFC

#368 | Posted by eberly at 2021-09-03 10:46 PM | Reply

That was a tough question to mull over, Eberly, and one I just don't feel like answering. All I'll say is I don't feel like I'm fully equal, and you made me really think about how a black person would feel if I asked them if they felt like a 2nd class citizen. I realized I would never do that. Not after mulling it over in my own mind and feeling what it brought up in me.

#361 | POSTED BY YAV

I respect your courage in response and am sorry to have responded for you and Danni in #342.

It was much easier than answering for myself.

As far as Eberly's question.

He's a good guy. But he doesn't realize what he's asking.

#369 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-03 11:03 PM | Reply

Thank you, Clownshack.
All's good.

#370 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 11:10 PM | Reply

"I was narrowing my question to people here. "

And THAT's the part lacking empathy. Who TF cares if it's in this room? That's merely a deflection from the actual harm this will cause living living people...just not those reading these keystrokes. Why should that make a difference???

Frankly...it's tone-deaf.

#371 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-04 02:21 AM | Reply

"I saw multiple people assigning 2nd class status to Yav. Well ... .he's in the room. Why don't you ask HIM rather than just volunteer him?"

Because no one has to ask him if HIS rights have ever come up for a vote; we all lived through it.

No one ever questions my rights. I've never been subjected to invasive medical procedures universally recognized as unneeded. And no law has ever been written to only cover a man's body.

Here, try on these moccasins....

#372 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-04 02:26 AM | Reply

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