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Saturday, September 04, 2021

The study in the journal Science Thursday is the first to show the connections between changes in the polar region and February's Valentine's Week freeze that triggered widespread power outages in Texas, killing more than 170 people and causing at least $20 billion in damage.

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GLobal warming can cause record smashing cold. Amazing.

#1 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-03 03:40 PM | Reply

@#1 ... Amazing ...

Not really. It boils down to the difference between climate and weather.

When the weather patterns are altered by climate change, then extremes in temperature (and other weather events) can occur more frequently than in the past.

That Texas had extreme cold does not negate that there were other places on the planet experiencing extreme heat.

Overall, though, on a planet-wide basis, our blue marble is getting warmer.



#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-03 03:45 PM | Reply

#2 - I know. I read the article, and I found it amazing.

#3 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-03 03:48 PM | Reply

I found it amazing.
#3 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

As in surprising? As in you just learned it?

Or just still mystified by how something like that can transpire?

#4 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-03 03:55 PM | Reply

#4 - there are so many things in the natural world that I find amazing. This is one of them. I read the Science article in full a week or so ago. Then I saw this Reader's Digest version of the story today and thought I'd post it.

#5 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-03 04:01 PM | Reply

The old term was "Arctic Fence" and that and the seasonal Coriolis effect kept cold air over the Arctic and helped moderate our winters. That barrier kept the dense cold air over the Arctic. Now we routinely have warmer temperatures in the Arctic than we do in lower latitudes.

I remember hearing about this years ago. Here are some articles, still online, from 2011-2012:
journals.ametsoc.org
www.wbur.org
Here's a link to a broadcast (no longer online) with a summary:
www.wbur.org

#6 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-03 04:10 PM | Reply

An excellent fictional take of this phenomenon is Fallen Angels by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle (two of my favorite science fiction writers) I read it in the early '90s when it was published. If you are a science fiction fan, it is highly recommended.

#7 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-03 04:15 PM | Reply

The full article from Science. I had to read it a couple of times to fully grasp it.

www.science.org

#8 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-03 04:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Good thing global warming is a hoax.

Any Republicans not named Eberly want to state that global warming is real?

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-03 04:32 PM | Reply

"#4 - there are so many things in the natural world that I find amazing."

^
Global warming is manmade.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-03 04:34 PM | Reply

#8 | POSTED BY JAKESTER AT 2021-09-03 04:18 PM | FLAG: STILL OUT OF HIS GRASP

#11 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-09-04 11:41 AM | Reply

GLobal warming can cause record smashing cold. Amazing.

#1 | Posted by jakester

it's only amazing to right wing cult members like yourself who have been in bubble of misinformation for decades.

The rest of us already knew this because we listen to experts.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-04 05:24 PM | Reply

In science articles I read in middle school in the mid-90s, they talked about AGW causing winters that were shorter but more intense. This is nothing new or unpredictable to people who were paying attention.

#13 | Posted by s1l3ntc0y0t3 at 2021-09-04 06:54 PM | Reply

In science articles I read in middle school in the mid-90s, they talked about AGW causing winters that were shorter but more intense. This is nothing new or unpredictable to people who were paying attention.

#13 | Posted by s1l3ntc0y0t3

Republicans in 2021 are just learning info that middle schoolers learned in 1995.

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-04 08:47 PM | Reply

What's incredibly amazing is that there is two sides arguing who's right about the cause of global warming. It's almost right down the middle as if it were left/right politics and NO ONE arguing is doing anything about it. Because of several reasons - conveniences will need to be given up, limits on children will need to be mandated, recreation will be gone and just about everything you know as you've always known it will go away.

You will never replace hydrocarbon energy with solar and wind. Period. Our population boom over the last 120 years was afforded by oil and gas. There is absolutely no way that we can replace that with solar/wind. Just the amount of oil and gas it would take to produce those two would be astronomical - not even taking into account having to keep pace as we normally do while we undertake that effort. We'd only make the problem worse.

What we need to do is focus on farming techniques that get the CO back in the ground where it belongs. Well, that and quit being so wasteful.

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-04 10:38 PM | Reply

What's incredibly amazing is that there is two sides arguing who's right about the cause of global warming. It's almost right down the middle as if it were left/right politics and NO ONE arguing is doing anything

#15 | Posted by BellRinger

What's amazing is that you expect us to forget that your side has lied about and denied global warming for precious decades that we could have used to reduce the problem.

Same thing you idiots are doing now with covid.

Step aside and let the adults fix things for once instead of insisting ignorant idiots deserve to be heard too.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-05 12:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

SPEAKS

"Step aside and let the adults fix things for once instead of insisting ignorant idiots deserve to be heard too."

It's not usually a case of "ignorant idiots." It's more like a case of "willful cowards" who have allowed themselves to be beat into submission by their Republican overlords . . . who themselves have been cowed by lobbyist. Money always speaks louder than than patriotism. It's a rare GOP congress critter who dares step out of line even when they know the truth.

#17 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-09-05 06:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

In science articles I read in middle school in the mid-90s, they talked about AGW causing winters that were shorter but more intense. This is nothing new or unpredictable to people who were paying attention.

#13 | POSTED BY S1L3NTC0Y0T3 AT 2021-09-04 06:54 PM |

I remember discussing the impact of overpopulation back in the 70's. There was a big push towards birth control because it was estimated at the time that the planet could only support 7 or 8 billion people without damaging the eco system and making life unsustainable for our species.

Al Gore ran his presidential candidacy on a platform of preparing for this and all they could do was take his.

Republicl0wns deserve to be hated. Disgusting short-sighted pigs.

#18 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-09-05 06:47 AM | Reply

"What we need to do is focus on farming techniques that get the CO back in the ground where it belongs."

If it belongs in the ground... the way to keep it there is stop digging it up.

Too obvious?

Yes, I heard what you said about needing fossil fuels. We also need a plan to stop using them.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-05 08:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Texas was so cold in February that goatshart's extremities stopped putrefying for a few days.

#20 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-09-05 12:11 PM | Reply

Step aside and let the adults fix things for once instead of insisting ignorant idiots deserve to be heard too.

#16 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-09-05 12:29 AM | REPLY

No one has fixed anything. Not even close.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-05 09:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's not usually a case of "ignorant idiots." It's more like a case of "willful cowards" who have allowed themselves to be beat into submission by their Republican overlords . . . who themselves have been cowed by lobbyist. Money always speaks louder than than patriotism. It's a rare GOP congress critter who dares step out of line even when they know the truth.
#17 | POSTED BY TWINPAC AT 2021-09-05 06:03 AM | REPLY

What are you doing to help the situation? Bought an electric car? with rubber tires, powered by a coal or gas fired power house? Or manufactured by using fossil fuel energy? Got a solar panel on your roof that uses more fossil fuel energy to manufacture than it will ever produce - not taking into account the pollution and fossil fuel demanded during mining of the materials it requires to manufacture it?

What most people don't understand is that it takes an average of 10 calories of energy to get 1 calorie food to your mouth. They never educate themselves with the information of cradle to grave farming-to-table. Every farm implement begins the manufacturing process with fossil fuels. Then the fertilizer feedstock for manufacturing is natural gas. Then the cultivation and harvest with implements fueled with oil and gas. Then the transportation, the manufacturing, the processing, the packaging, the trucking to market etc... you cannot fathom the problem until you can see this.

So, go ahead and keep up the name calling, It looks good on you.

#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-05 09:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"What most people don't understand is that it takes an average of 10 calories of energy to get 1 calorie food to your mouth."

Most people who care about this stuff know about the 5,000 mile Caesar Salad.

What's lacking is the political will to put down the hydrocarbon crack pipe.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-05 10:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

No one has fixed anything. Not even close.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger

You're an obnoxious tRump loving POS.

But in this respect you are correct.

And no one will fix anything, ever.

#24 | Posted by billy_boy at 2021-09-05 10:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Everything" is a tall order. Especially since it keeps changing.

#25 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-09-05 10:54 PM | Reply

What's lacking is the political will to put down the hydrocarbon crack pipe.

#23 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-09-05 10:12 PM

Well, go ahead and explain to the class what that will take from every first world citizen. While you eat your hydrocarbon based salad.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-05 10:56 PM | Reply

"Well, go ahead and explain to the class what that will take from every first world citizen"

Green New Deal.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-05 11:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#26 - that's easy for a jobless bum to say whose entire life is trolling this blog 24/7

#28 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-05 11:25 PM | Reply

Green New Deal.

#27 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-09-05 11:05 PM | REPLY |

THat's not an explanation, that's a deflection. Show your math, bitch.

#29 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-06 12:03 AM | Reply

#29 - no, it wasn't a deflection. It was a typical snoofy troll.

#30 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-06 12:06 AM | Reply

#29 - no, it wasn't a deflection. It was a typical snoofy troll.

#30 | POSTED BY JAKESTER AT 2021-09-06 12:06 AM |

Whatever you call it, the skank can either show her work or get packing. She probably never worked a day in her life.

#31 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-06 12:12 AM | Reply

#31 - snoofy doesn't do that. Snoofy trolls until backed into a corner, then moves on to a new troll.

#32 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-06 12:17 AM | Reply

THat's not an explanation, that's a deflection. Show your math, bitch.
#29 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Where's your math?

Is global warming really worth spending trillions on, or not?

Not worth trying to convince you, if you can't be convinced.

A minute ago you wanted to sow carbon into the ground. Now you don't seem to think any other ideas might have merit.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-06 12:23 AM | Reply

"Every farm implement begins the manufacturing process with fossil fuels."

Do they not make farm implements out of 70% nuclear in France?

You have arranged your absolutist positions as fortifications on hills, each one of which you seem willing to die on.

So what if they make farm implements from fossil fuels? If we burned fossil fuels for nothing but farming, what percentage of total CO2 output is that? A few percent.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-06 12:27 AM | Reply

And in typical snoofy fashion, the question is evaded by responding with questions.

He wants to see your math, snoofy. Show him how much the New Green Deal will cost. Then explain how the USA unilaterally doing this will save the planet.

For ----- sake, man. Stop trolling and evading questions for five minutes and be honest for once. If you don't know, grow a pair and say so.

#35 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-06 12:31 AM | Reply

"Every farm implement begins the manufacturing process with fossil fuels."
Do they not make farm implements out of 70% nuclear in France?
You have arranged your absolutist positions as fortifications on hills, each one of which you seem willing to die on.
So what if they make farm implements from fossil fuels? If we burned fossil fuels for nothing but farming, what percentage of total CO2 output is that? A few percent.

#34 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-09-06 12:27 AM

oh, so youre a nuclear skank now? ok let us know how you feel about Fukushima. Then you have to deal with Palaverde running out of water. What's your answer to that one?

#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-06 12:39 AM | Reply

"Well, go ahead and explain to the class what that will take from every first world citizen."

Work from home is completely possible for tens of millions of workers. Maybe more. The Internet is already killing malls and movie theaters.

If you happen to work in the energy sector, retain for renewables, and help Texas keep installing windmills at the breakneck pace they have been for the past decade, and winterize them too.

Add a carbon tax to that 5,000 mile Caesar salad and consumers will figure it out for themselves. Just like they are figuring out electric automobiles. This is where the government can put their thumb on the scale.

Emissions went down with the Great Recession. I find it hard to believe there's no other way. Banks don't even burn fossil fuels to make money.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-06 12:46 AM | Reply

"oh, so youre a nuclear skank now? ok let us know how you feel about Fukushima. Then you have to deal with Palaverde running out of water. What's your answer to that one?"

Fukushima is already a smaller tragedy than global warming.

Palo Verde was a mistake, that's my answer to that one. You think putting a nuclear power plant in the desert was not a mistake?

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-06 12:53 AM | Reply

So, no farm implements in France, then?

Do they do it the old fashioned way, like that guy on the cover of Zeppelin IV?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-06 12:56 AM | Reply

Palo Verde is a good example of nuclear power. Even if you hate nuclear power that's a bad example for your case .

#40 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-09-06 01:05 AM | Reply

"The price of solar energy dropped 89 percent in 10 years."

Just keep doing that and a lot of these problems go away. Except:

"To truly harness the power of renewable energy, the world needs to develop reliable, flexible storage solutions for when the sun does not shine or the wind does not blow."

That's where the Green New Deal comes in. Throw enough money at that problem, some of it will stick.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-06 01:07 AM | Reply

Well, nuclear power plants need water, so building one in the desert, because the desert is now full of people who also need water, is a bit of an over-commitment.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-06 01:09 AM | Reply

-------. prove it.

#43 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-06 01:18 AM | Reply

Actually Snoofy growing alfalfa and cotton is a bit of an overcommitment. As the population grows here on former farm land we use less water now than 50 years ago. I'm not a nuclear advocate but if your gonna have one (or3) it's a good spot. I'd like to think they recycle as much water as possible.

AZ isn't the sahara, it's an oasis.

#44 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-09-06 01:19 AM | Reply

-------. prove it.
#43 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Prove what, that humans can innovate?
We went to the moon and before that we nuked Japan, but you're saying we'll never find a way to store lots of energy, that isn't digging decayed compressed organic matter out of the earth and burning it on demand?

Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-06 01:28 AM | Reply

"As the population grows here on former farm land we use less water now than 50 years ago."

Good. You're gonna need it. The growth in the Mountain West can't be sustained. This may not be aimed squarely at AZ, but you get my drift, I hope.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-06 01:29 AM | Reply

I get your drift. It rained almost everyday in August, found out my roof was a sieve. Average high temp for the month 97 degrees. So I've been lulled into complacency.

Yes it rained this August but 2 previous years no monsoon and 3 years no winter.

So yes we're ------ but I only have a few years left.

#47 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-09-06 01:38 AM | Reply

Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.
#45 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-09-06 01:28 AM | FLAG:

Prove I'm wrong

#48 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-06 03:35 AM | Reply

Bitch

#49 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-06 03:35 AM | Reply

Go ahead

#50 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-06 03:40 AM | Reply

"Actually Snoofy growing alfalfa and cotton is a bit of an overcommitment. "

Especially when all that alfalfa is going to Saudi Arabia.

#51 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-09-06 02:27 PM | Reply

That's Capitalism for you!
Grow hay in the desert, and ship it across the planet to another dessert.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-06 02:33 PM | Reply

Wow, I was going to call you a ------ liar but I googled it.

#53 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-09-06 02:41 PM | Reply

Would seem more efficient to just ship the milk.

#54 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-09-06 03:03 PM | Reply

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