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Tuesday, September 14, 2021

Two days after the January 6 attack on the US Capitol, President Donald Trump's top military adviser, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, single-handedly took top-secret action to limit Trump from potentially ordering a dangerous military strike or launching nuclear weapons, according to "Peril," a new book by legendary journalist Bob Woodward and veteran Washington Post reporter Robert Costa.

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If it's proven he will likely go to prison but he will also get a nobel peace prize.

#1 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-14 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If it's proven he will likely go to prison

Miley gave orders to be followed only if Trump went completely off the rails. Trump didn't, so Milley didn't do anything but implement due diligence precautions at the behest of the Speaker of the House per the book's revelations.

I don't see where he did anything that violated any law. He did his duty when confronted with an acknowledged domestic threat to this nation's safety and the constitutionally-mandated peaceful transfer of power between Presidents - the very things Trump openly and repeatedly threatened.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-14 12:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 8

Where was Army Detachment Steiner when I needed it?!??!
~ Bunker Brat

#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-09-14 12:55 PM | Reply

Milley still sucks- he killed 7 kids on the way out of a 20 year war. www.dailymail.co.uk

#4 | Posted by Brennnn at 2021-09-14 12:58 PM | Reply

Another way America is unique in the history of the world. The military saves us from dictatorship.

#5 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-09-14 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

This is the thread where the usuals do their customary180 on the subject of disobedience. Yesterday they valued it, today they will condemn it

You know, cause they have "convictions" and all that

#6 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-09-14 01:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Stupid people saving other stupid people from a really, really stupid person possibly doing really, really, really stupid things.

#7 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2021-09-14 01:21 PM | Reply

I might be misremembering my history, but did not the generals do the same when Nixon was off the rails, talking to the paintings on the walls, prior to his exit from the WH? The fact is that POTUS is the most powerful position in the world, safeguards MUST be enacted to protect from just such an event as a wannabe authoritarian starting a war or a coup in order to stay in the WH, or just to F things up for his successor, as Dotard with his complete surrender to the Taliban. We know that Dotard is a complete puss who lacks the testicular fortitude to actually get the US out of Afghanistan prior to his exit from the WH, but I'm sure he quietly signed the surrender agreement with the Taliban without withdrawing our people as a landmine for President Biden to navigate. I'm also sure Orange Adolph smeared his taint and feces all over the Oval Office and the residence, I'm hoping that a complete, thorough cleaning was done before the Bidens moved in. That's probably why Major has had his nipping issues, he can smell the stink of the orange traitor all over, and wants to bite him.

#8 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-09-14 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They took the nuclear football from Nixon with 2 hours to go, but it stayed with the incoming president. His SECDEF said if he orders a nuke strike, check with me or Kissinger first.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-14 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not that I disagree with the decision, but if true it's a court martial and prison. Somebody get that guy a wheelbarrow for his balls.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-14 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If what is proven? Why would he ever be charged?

He was only being true to his oath of office and defending the constitution from a domestic enemy. Some of us will always remain faithful to our oaths that we swore when we accepted jobs as public servants no matter what.

Semper Fi

"to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God."

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-14 02:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 9

General Milly correctly recognized that Combover Quisling was a domestic threat to our country, as his reported comparisons of the actions of Dotards and the MAGAts to events in Nazi Germany demonstrate, and as such he did the correct thing. He took no action, but as any good general will do, he had a contingency plan in place in case Dotard went completely off the rails. Can anybody who has seen or heard Orange Adolf in the past two years honestly admit that he's not quickly sliding down the slope of serious mental decline?

#12 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-09-14 02:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

The Metamucil Mussolini can act out all of his world conquering themes at bunker Largo, glad to see that there was some adults watching over this rat.

#13 | Posted by Badcat at 2021-09-14 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You mean trumps 4-dimensional chess game was undermined by some grunt?!?

#14 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2021-09-14 02:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#11 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2021-09-14 02:08 PM | FLAG:

Secret, back channel communications with a foreign power behind the CINCs back specifically to undermine potential orders CINC because on personal opinion.

The UCMJ says that sends you to Leavenworth. Maybe he'd get a pardon but I wouldn't hold my breath.

#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-14 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Secret, back channel communications with a foreign power behind the CINCs back specifically to undermine potential orders CINC because on personal opinion.

The UCMJ says that sends you to Leavenworth. Maybe he'd get a pardon but I wouldn't hold my breath.

#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg

What about when the CINC is controlled by a hostile foreign power? Or is attempting to end democracy and replace it with fascism?

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-14 03:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I hope sitz isn't too disappointed when this 4 star retires with all the accolades fitting his decades of service

#17 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-09-14 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Secret, back channel communications with a foreign power behind the CINCs back specifically to undermine potential orders CINC because on personal opinion.

Did Milley violate any specific orders? No. Do you want military members to be court marshalled for thinking too? His intentions were not to take illicit power, his intention was based on making sure that a mentally unstable President (who fomented an insurrection to overturn a certified election result) could not bring undue harm to this nation and our constitutional process to remain illegally in power.

As the story notes, Chiefs and foreign military leaders often speak in back channel conversations for the sake of being able to accurately communicate with their leaders as to the intentions of their opponents, especially during moments of crisis so that wars or military strikes aren't started due to confusion or misinterpretation by either side.

And "secret"? Everything the military does is secret. Do you think every military person at the Pentagon has to report to the President whenever they communicate with a foreign counterpart? (I don't know the answer to that question, but it's germane)

And has been noted, the US Constitution and the oath taken supersedes any and all allegiance to any commander when said commander is actively violating that same oath by actively trying to remain in power by upsetting the Constitution's process for his succession extralegally.

The only one who broke the law is Trump, and hopefully soon he'll be held condtitutionally responsible for his actions.

#18 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-14 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Milley should have put a bullet in the turd, he was a traitor.

#19 | Posted by bored at 2021-09-14 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Think of the most shameful, disreputable, dishonest, and self absorbed person in all of America. And then imagine the GOP chooses that person to be their nominee for POTUS in thirty years. Effectively, that is where we were at in 1986.

#20 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-09-14 03:40 PM | Reply

"What I'm saying to you is that if they couldn't even stop him from an assault on the Capitol, who even knows what else he may do? And is there anybody in charge at the White House who was doing anything but kissing his fat butt all over this?"
Pelosi continued, "You know he's crazy. He's been crazy for a long time."
According to Woodward and Costa, Milley responded, "Madam Speaker, I agree with you on everything."

Milley deserves a medal.

#21 | Posted by bored at 2021-09-14 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I think we've discovered that the Constitution does not protect itself from an elected tyrant. Some problems can't wait until the next election.

#22 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-09-14 04:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

-#22. That's what impeachment and the 25th are for.

What Milley did was wrong and may be criminal

#23 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-14 04:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Shut up, loser.

#24 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-09-14 05:02 PM | Reply

What Milley did was wrong and may be criminal
#23 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Can you point out where it suggests developing a contingency plan is somehow illegal?

#25 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-14 05:05 PM | Reply

"What Milley did was wrong and may be criminal"

Like you can tell right from wrong.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-14 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Haven't heard that particular expression since middle school. Are you back to home learning LYD?

#27 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-09-14 05:09 PM | Reply

Milley behaved in a prudent and responsible manner. Only petulant Trumpers have any problem with Milley having contingency plans for a clearly unstable Donald Trump put in place. Trumpers should go back to just sucking their thumbs, crying for a diaper change and STFU.

#28 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-09-14 05:21 PM | Reply

-#22. That's what impeachment and the 25th are for.

What Milley did was wrong and may be criminal

#23 | Posted by BellRinger

Those are useless when one of the parties has totally surrendered to become the cult of a fascist leader.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-14 05:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#18 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2021-09-14 03:27 PM | FLAG:

"If we're going to attack, I'm going to call you ahead of time. It's not going to be a surprise." -Milley, to Li. Allegedly. If that's an accurate quote, there's a word for it... starts with a T. It's what a lot of people use to describe Trump. Feels more like Woodward sensationalism.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-14 06:02 PM | Reply

"If that's an accurate quote, there's a word for it... starts with a T."

Not really. He was defending the Republic, as I'm sure you can see.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-14 06:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Feels more like Woodward sensationalism.
#30 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

You and your feels.

LOL

#32 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-14 06:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

"If we're going to attack, I'm going to call you ahead of time. It's not going to be a surprise." -Milley, to Li. Allegedly. If that's an accurate quote, there's a word for it... starts with a T.

And it did not happen. Did Milley call him about an attack that was never ordered?

And you miss the biggest point: Trump was in violation of the law and Constitution himself, which precipitated Milley's actions! You keep trying to imply that Milley was somehow violating his duty when it was Trump who violated his oath to the Constitution in a conspiracy to illegally stop its dictates and keep the duly elected President from taking his rightful office.

You simply don't get it: Milley was defending this nation from its gravest domestic threat in history, even if he skirted around the edges of his actual authority. He was trying to position himself to thwart an illegal coup attempt, not to run one himself. He never assumed any actual authority outside that which was given him. Contingency conversations are not crimes especially when stated contingencies were never taken.

#33 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-14 06:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Alexander Vindman Says Gen. Milley Must Resign' If Report of His Calls to China Is True: He Usurped Civilian Authority'
www.mediaite.com

"If this is true GEN Milley must resign," he tweeted.

"He usurped civilian authority, broke Chain of Command, and violated the sacrosanct principle of civilian control over the military," Vindman continued. "It's an extremely dangerous precedent. You can't simply walk away from that."

#34 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-14 06:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Contingency conversations are not crimes especially when stated contingencies were never taken.
#33 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

That was my initial take, but there's always the 'conspiracy' angle to consider.

#35 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-14 06:16 PM | Reply

MSNBC Contributor and Former Army General Worried Mentally Unstable, Erratic' Trump Was Launching Coup'

"We were at a perilous moment. I thought this was the opening moves to a coup. I think the other thing, put it in context, the chairman of JCS, who has a Foreign Service officer political advisor, routinely talks to all his counterparts globally, both friendly and adversarial. It's part of the stability of deterrence," said McCaffrey. "Now having said that, look, we were in trouble. There's just no question that Trump was, in my view, acting mentally unstable, erratic, violating the law. He was about to fire the CIA director [Gina Haspel]. So it was a pretty tricky moment and I think his place in history is going to be a pretty fabled one."

www.mediaite.com

#36 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-14 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#35

While I respect the hell out of Vindman, I have to disagree. As far as I understand, the calls to China were to assure their government that our civilian commander would not launch an unprovoked attack upon them without Milley first letting them know such an attack was imminent. As I read it, Milley was trying to keep the Chinese from launching a pre-emptive attack on the US, not override civilian authority - which in this case meant following the orders of a President already complicit in crimes against the US Constitution and the American people when he tried to overturn the election. Milley didn't promise to stop Trump's orders at the behest of the Chinese, though by strict military protocol it's obvious how Vindman sees it.

This entire issue covers unthought of territory due to the pathological nature of Trump himself as a wholly self-serving individual who'd sacrifice America if it served his needs. In my opinion, this is far outside the usual MCJ because up until Trump, no one could ever imagine a CIC who would openly lead a domestic rebellion against the US Congress in order to illegally stay in the Oval Office.

#37 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-14 06:26 PM | Reply

In my opinion, this is far outside the usual MCJ because up until Trump, no one could ever imagine a CIC who would openly lead a domestic rebellion against the US Congress in order to illegally stay in the Oval Office.
#37 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Hopefully, an investigation will set a precedent one way or the other. Now that we know the American people are capable of hiring a mad-conman to the most powerful position on the planet, SOP must be set in place to protect the world from nuclear Armageddon.

#38 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-14 06:45 PM | Reply

This was borderline a military coup.

I can't stand Trump. Hatred of Trump doesn't justify this. I can't even imagine the shrieking outrage had this been done while Obama was POTUS.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-14 06:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

The naked manipulation of staff members and the VP, described in this news article, reveal to me the colossal weakness of those in Trump's inner circle, barely able to stand up to the cajoling, flattery, bullying and entreaties to flatter and amuse this mentally ill person. Der Dotard's supporters will never acknowledge that any of what is described is problematic, but all thinking people, on the Left and Right, should see that the previous guy was and continues to be mentally unstable and a risk to freedom, democracy and world peace...

#40 | Posted by catdog at 2021-09-14 06:46 PM | Reply

What Milley did was wrong and may be criminal
#23 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER
Can you point out where it suggests developing a contingency plan is somehow illegal?
#25 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2021-09-14 05:05 PM

Ahem.

#41 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-14 06:49 PM | Reply

The naked manipulation of staff members and the VP, described in this news article, reveal to me the colossal weakness of those in Trump's inner circle, barely able to stand up to the cajoling, flattery, bullying and entreaties to flatter and amuse this mentally ill person. Der Dotard's supporters will never acknowledge that any of what is described is problematic, but all thinking people, on the Left and Right, should see that the previous guy was and continues to be mentally unstable and a risk to freedom, democracy and world peace...

#40 | POSTED BY CATDOG A

This was painfully obvious at one of -------- early televised cabinet meetings. Every cabinet member went to painful ends to thank ------- for his leadership and greatness. It was disgusting.

If I remember correctly the military members and I think CIA director were the least fawning.

#42 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-14 06:49 PM | Reply

Here it is

Have a barf bag ready

www.c-span.org

#43 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-09-14 06:53 PM | Reply

This was borderline a military coup.

It was the exact opposite. Milley wanted to make sure that Trump couldn't launch an actual coup by illegally using the military in order to create conditions where he believed he would be allowed to stay in power. Milley never intended to use the military in opposition to legal orders. Trump launching unprovoked military attacks would not have been legal. And again, Trump had already proven himself an enemy to the Constitution when he conspired to stop the electoral ballots from being counted. Milley's actions and words did not happen in a vacuum and were not in subversion to the Constitution, they were in SUPPORT of his oath to the Constitution.

Milley publicly issued statements saying that the military does not get involved in domestic disputes. Trump tried to order active US military into the streets during the Floyd protests. Just whom was directing a coup against whom?

#44 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-14 06:54 PM | Reply

Trump launching unprovoked military attacks would not have been legal.

I'm pretty sure POTUS can launch a nuclear attack for whatever reason he feels like.

#45 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-09-14 07:06 PM | Reply

This all feels like reputation maintenance to me.

#46 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-09-14 07:17 PM | Reply

#45

I was watching a discussion about this today. In reality, it's a gray area mainly because our Founders never envisioned any President having the power to end life on Earth unilaterally in less than 30 minutes. But the military does not have to follow illegal orders from any POTUS, and the argument is that the ordering of a nuclear strike without any immediate provocation or threat from the intended target would fall under that category.

Again, in theory Presidents cannot commit murder in the streets, so why could they commit mass murder without any direct provocation tied to protecting the nation or our troops? The chain of command has every right to refuse to follow any such orders, and in fact are compelled to or they would violate the MCJ themselves.

#47 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-14 07:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This was borderline a military coup.

I can't stand Trump. Hatred of Trump doesn't justify this. I can't even imagine the shrieking outrage had this been done while Obama was POTUS.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger

No this was the military deciding to NOT support a military coup if ordered by the fascist president.

Their loyalty is to the country above any corrupt treasonous president.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-14 07:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I distinctly remember the usual cabal of DR know-it-all's cheering on the insubordination of military commanders when Obama was president

There is no "what if"

#49 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-09-14 07:26 PM | Reply

Kind of sounds like a drama queen straddling the treason line very carefully to sell some books.

#50 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-14 08:07 PM | Reply

If what General Milley says is true, it's pretty scary that the generals run the nuclear show. How did America come to this?

#51 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-14 08:18 PM | Reply

Milley reaching out to his China peeps to conduct foreign policy without direction from POTUS is a major breach of command.

It's not OK under Trump. It wouldn't have been OK under Obama a d it isn't OK under Biden.

#52 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-14 08:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If what General Milley says is true, it's pretty scary that the generals run the nuclear show. How did America come to this?

#51 | Posted by jakester

Your party elected a fascist traitor.

Next question?

#53 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-14 08:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

It's not OK under Trump. It wouldn't have been OK under Obama a d it isn't OK under Biden.

#52 | Posted by BellRinger

Yeah circumstances are different when the CIC is a madman trying to end democracy.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-14 08:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The insane thing is all of the people who accused Trump of breaking norms are completely comfortable with breaking norms even after he's out of office.

#55 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-14 08:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Loren DeJonge Schulman, a senior fellow at CNAS and a former adviser to National Security Advisor Susan Rice, contended that the problem had less to do with questions about the chain of command and more to do with the dire politics of January 2021.

"I am not excessively bothered by this as a moment in time if Milley was also actively engaging the president, the Cabinet, the Congress, and others on what he saw as his military advice and concerns about an emerging security situation," she wrote in an email to TPM. "But the problem Milley sought to solve here isn't really a civ-mil process question. It's a political challenge (do we trust who is president " who the political electoral system chose)."

talkingpointsmemo.com

This is the perfect place to restate a sage comment from above:
I think we've discovered that the Constitution does not protect itself from an elected tyrant. Some problems can't wait until the next election.

#22 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

Trump's violation of his oath is completely related to the actions Milley and others decided to take. You cannot hold him responsible without equally finding the President responsible for his own illegal and unconstitutional actions which precipitated Milley's response.

#56 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-14 08:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

The insane thing is all of the people who accused Trump of breaking norms are completely comfortable with breaking norms even after he's out of office.

#55 | Posted by BellRinger

Defending the country is not breaking the norm.

Breaking the norm would be letting a fascist madman ignore an election.

#57 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-14 09:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Illegal and unconstitutional actions. In lefty speak that translates to being POTUS while Republican

#58 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-14 09:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


If what General Milley says is true, it's pretty scary that the generals run the nuclear show. How did America come to this?

#51 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

Yep. Imagine if this was MacArthur rather than Milley

#59 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-09-14 09:24 PM | Reply

Illegal and unconstitutional actions. In lefty speak that translates to being POTUS while Republican
#58 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Trump's behavior, apparently, was unprecedented as POTUS. Military folks took notice and acted appropriately. Does it have to be repeated that these actions were NOT taken within a vacuum?

#60 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-14 09:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Yep. Imagine if this was MacArthur rather than Milley

Imagine the President was Roosevelt or Truman rather than Trump. Then the entire incident wouldn't have happened for there wouldn't have been any need for the general to be concerned the military would be given illegal orders since the President had already personally fomented and encouraged a coup to stop the constitutional accounting of the electoral votes certifying his opponent as the next President.

#61 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-14 09:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm pretty sure POTUS can launch a nuclear attack for whatever reason he feels like.

#45 | POSTED BY REDIAL

And that doesn't scare the ---- out of you?

#62 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-09-14 10:35 PM | Reply

Then the entire incident wouldn't have happened for there wouldn't have been any need for the general to be concerned the military would be given illegal orders #61 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Agreed. But in this whole unprecedented situation, the CJCS General making nuclear decisions was extra unprecedented as well - perhaps this will establish a precedent, or inspire a means to fix or control this type of situation.

#63 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-09-14 10:42 PM | Reply

"the CJCS General making nuclear decisions"

He made himself a failsafe. He didn't make any decisions.

I thought you wanted Col. Jessep on that wall.
This is precisely why you still have a lot more growing up to do.

"inspire a means to fix or control this type of situation."

Go ----- yourself, Trumper.
You loved this situation in 2016.
Loved it.

Loving the military and their pomp and their precious chain of command will never be a suitable replacement for the lack of a father figure in your personal life.

I really hope you take that to heart.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-14 10:54 PM | Reply

In lefty speak that translates to being POTUS while Republican

#58 | Posted by BellRinger

No it means being POTUS while trying to end democracy and ignore an election.

Maybe you shouldnt elect fascist tyrants next time.

#65 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-14 11:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But in this whole unprecedented situation, the CJCS General making nuclear decisions was extra unprecedented as well - perhaps this will establish a precedent, or inspire a means to fix or control this type of situation.

As was noted above by a former advisor to the NSA advisor, the problem is not one of the military/Milley overriding civilian command, it's a political issue of a President directly violating the Constitution, its laws, and an abdication of his responsibility to protect the US citizens and military (and I cannot repeat enough that any unwarranted launch of nuclear weapons, without any immediate provocation whatsoever by the target, is wholly illegal. It's mass murder on the scale of Nazi Germany ordering the extermination of the Jews.).

Milley didn't make any "nuclear decisions" at all. He tried to make sure that Trump could not have any illegal orders followed by going around the command structure already in place. He was protecting the military and all Americans from a real and present danger to the safety of both from a CIC who'd already broken numerous laws and repeatedly asked others to break and ignore laws solely for his own political pursuits.

The political remedy for such a President is impeachment, but Mitch McConnell publicly announced that that option was off the table until after Inauguration Day. Milley's entire goal was to keep Trump from breaking the law through using the military for an illegal purpose up until that point. Milley was defending the Constitution against a President bent on violating it.

#66 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-14 11:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

never be a suitable replacement for the lack of a father figure in your personal life.

I really hope you take that to heart.

#64 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Interesting insight and projection from your own personal life onto the internet, Snoofy.
I had helicopter parents, and they provided perhaps a little too much in terms of figure-ship ... but are great folks who provided a great upbringing.

Snoof, as always, I wish you the best in recovering from whatever ails your lil heart, and perseverance through your apparent built up trauma(s) :).

#67 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-09-14 11:24 PM | Reply

Their book, "Peril," said in the days before the 2020 election, there was Milley also acted to prevent a potential conflict with China. The book says that Milley received intelligence that Chinese officials believed the U.S. was getting ready to attack them. In order to defuse tensions, Milley called the head of China's military, Gen. Li Zuocheng, and told him the "American government is stable" and "we are not going to attack."

"Whoa that's treason!" The government is stable, a statement subtly acknowledging the impression of instability, and 'we're not going to nuke you.'

#68 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-14 11:26 PM | Reply

Milley's entire goal was to keep Trump from breaking the law through using the military for an illegal purpose up until that point. Milley was defending the Constitution against a President bent on violating it.
#66 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Guess we'll see how the civ-mil govt lawyers cover this issue - if it is even a "big deal," beyond the manner it is spun in the recently published book. The coverage of the situation seems to be written in an explosive manner, but perhaps it was not outside of guidelines detailed within the roles and responsibilities of the CJCS.

#69 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-09-14 11:28 PM | Reply

And that doesn't scare the ---- out of you?
#62 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

It's pretty disturbing for sure. Nevertheless, my understanding is that POTUS is the only one that can order a nuclear attack and there really isn't anything to legally stop him/her. The only purpose served by SECDEF in a launch is to confirm that it's actually POTUS giving the order. That's all the "Codes" do... positively identify the president if he/she is in a remote location.

#70 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-09-15 01:28 AM | Reply

There's nothing bad in this. No lawyers are going to be involved in this. No law was broken. This isn't the first time this has happened, either. Milley is on firm ground.

We should all be grateful. Tony said it well. The only reason this happened is because of craven spineless Republicans didn't do their job.

Thankfully Pence couldn't find anyone to give him a good enough rationalization to do what Trump wanted or we'd be in deep s**t today. Worse than this episode. Milley wouldn't be there, and his sycophantic Generals he'd choose might not be so willing to uphold our Constitution and refuse an illegal order.

#71 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-15 08:01 AM | Reply

Progressives have no guiding principles other than political power. If this reporting is accurate this is a major breach of command and is borderline treason. The response is always "but Trump ". Biden is obviously in a state of cognitive decline. I would never support a military leader taking these kinds of actions under Biden.

#72 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 10:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"I had helicopter parents, and they provided perhaps a little too much in terms of figure-ship ... but are great folks who provided a great upbringing."

People who had great upbringings don't grow up to be Know-Nothing Trumpers.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-15 10:38 AM | Reply

If he strongly disagreed with POTUS he could have blown the whistle anonymously or resigned and blown it publicly. Instead he chose to usurp power and conduct his own foreign policy.

Do any progressives understand how dangerous this precedent is if it goes unpunished?

Or do you all think it could only happen when a Republican is president therefore you don't give a rip?

#74 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 10:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

If he strongly disagreed with POTUS he could have blown the whistle anonymously or resigned and blown it publicly. Instead he chose to usurp power and conduct his own foreign policy.

Milley didn't do anything but demand that any of the generals whom Trump might have called keep him informed as they "followed the procedure" if Trump issued any illegal orders.

Milley assumed no power and he usurped no power because NOTHING HAPPENED! Read the excerpts. Chinese intelligence was telling their leadership that Trump was off his rocker and may be prone to launch an attack against them in order to stay in the White House. Milley assured them that that was not the case - he actually lied to them because Trump was deranged as 1/6 proved to the entire planet.

Milley planned contingencies, he didn't exercise any power he did not have. He protected America from potential attacks from both China and a criminal President entertaining the idea of using the military for a coup. Milley wouldn't have needed to do anything had Republicans used the political power to remove Trump that the Democrats wanted to before 1/20 - impeachment.

#75 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-15 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bellringer,

What does the oath taken by the US Military mean to you?

"I, ____________________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
What order did Milley disobey that Trump gave him? And which part comes first, "support and defend the Constitution ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic;" or obeying the President?

Lastly, isn't a President who fomented, then egged-on a mob siege of the US Capitol in order to stop the constitutionally-mandated presidential transfer of power an ENEMY of the US Constitution?

#76 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-15 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here is a tweet from Glenn Greenwald:

Imagine if, in 2011, a right-wing General called Gaddafi and said: "Obama wants to bomb your country and usher in regime change against you even though the House voted *against* its authorization. I give you my word I'll let you know what he's planning & stop him from bombing."

Do you get it yet?

#77 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 11:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

It all boils down to "but Republican POTUS"

#78 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 11:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

It all boils down to "but Republican POTUS"

No, it boils down to Trump being a twice bipartisanly-impeached President who knowingly scoffs at laws and the US Constitution, whom had been proven to violate it for his personal political gain, and led a mob insurrection bent on overturning a free and fair election that he lost.

#79 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-15 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Do you get it yet?"

Trump is a treat to democracy, do you get it?

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-15 11:21 AM | Reply

The Praetorian Guard would have snuffed Trump in an instant if they felt anything like this was imminent. Frankly, Milley showed restraint and good judgement given the stakes involved.

Trump has broken this country. We are all the lesser for his ever having been in office.

Future Tyrants will use his example.

#81 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-09-15 11:22 AM | Reply

"Progressives have no guiding principles other than political power."

You mean Republicans?
Republicans do not have a party platform. They stand for nothing.
But they sure think they deserve to be in power, and that their power was stolen.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-15 11:22 AM | Reply

"Do any progressives understand how dangerous this precedent is if it goes unpunished?"

Do you understand how dangerous and damaging the Trump presidency was and continues to be?

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-15 11:23 AM | Reply

Do you get it yet?

I get that no President ever did the things that Trump did which PRECIPITATED Milley's actions. Analogies that don't take Trump's actions into account are simply not applicable.

Obama was not impeached, he did not mock and violate his oath of office, he did not display deranged behavior nor did he lead an insurrection against our democratic processes. Therefore, no CJSC had any reason to act as Milley did. And perhaps most of all, Libya was not trying to decide whether to launch a preemptive attack on America because of Obama's behavior and public vilification of their government for being the intentional source of a virus causing a global pandemic.

#84 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-15 11:29 AM | Reply

"Do any progressives understand how dangerous this precedent is if it goes unpunished?"

This is where far too many Republicans are today. They completely bought into Trump's authoritarianism.

Milley was following his oath to protect America from a proven domestic threat and the foreign threat of a Chinese attack due to their fear of Trump's instability and the likelihood he'd attack them in an attempt to save his presidency.

Milley was not assuming nor exercising any active power whatsoever. He wanted to make sure that Trump could not have any illegal orders instituted outside the chain of command. That was all Milley did, and since no orders were given by Trump, nothing came from his preparations.

#85 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-15 11:35 AM | Reply

It all boils down to "but Republican POTUS"

#78 | Posted by BellRinger

It all boils down to "but proven criminal Republican POTUS was trying to replace democracy with fascism because he lost"

Your cult leader is so stupid and insane that the military had to agree not to help him start a war to stay in power.

#86 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Like I said, progressives have no guiding principles other than political power.

#87 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 11:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Like I said, progressives have no guiding principles other than political power.

What power? Milley is apolitical, he was handpicked by TRUMP! Trump put him in his own reelection ads and used Milley as a prop during his Floyd protest march to the church across from the White House.

How does supporting what Milley did in preparation for something that did not happen have anything to do with power?

You're just babbling at this point. There is no political dynamic to Milley's actions. He was protecting America from threats, period.

#88 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-15 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Milley had options that didn't result in breaking the chain of command. He chose to do so anyway, apparently and progressives who have no guiding principles cheer.

Here's the thing, if this is accurate it's going to go very badly for Milley. Why? Because some elected Democrats do have guiding principles and understand the bigger picture danger of what he allegedly did.

#89 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 11:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Tony Roma,

Care to address the Greenwald tweet I produced?

#90 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 11:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Milley had options that didn't result in breaking the chain of command.

He didn't break the chain of command because NO ACTIVE ORDERS WERE EVER ISSUED! Why can't you get this through your skull?

And you cannot judge Milley without judging Trump - who was the reason Milley was driven to take the pre-emptive measures that he did.

#91 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-15 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Like I said, progressives have no guiding principles other than political power.

#87 | Posted by BellRinger

yeah that's why progressives made a new rule to block all supreme court justice appointments by the opposite party when we control the senate.

Oh wait that was you.

#92 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 12:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Everyone remembers famous progressive lindsay graham saying a supreme court appointment shouldn't be made in an election year, until his party got a chance to make one a few weeks before an election.

#93 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Care to address the Greenwald tweet I produced?

See post 84. Do you even read my replies? Do you get that nothing Milley did was in service of himself, he was trying to protect America as his oath commands him to do?

Answer that, if you want something answered. Who does Milley owe the highest allegiance to, Trump of the US Constitution?

#94 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-15 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Because some elected Democrats do have guiding principles and understand the bigger picture danger of what he allegedly did.

#89 | Posted by BellRinger a

He pledged to defend the constitution against all threats foreign and domestic. Trump made himself a domestic threat to the constitution.

#95 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 12:02 PM | Reply

Trump or the US Constitution?

#96 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-15 12:03 PM | Reply

#92. Way to move the goalposts.

Fact is historical precedence exists for both what happened with Garland and Barrett.

For the record, I opposed blocking Garland.

#97 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 12:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#94. Your #84 is "but GOP". In that post you inadvertently admit that had similar action been taken against Obama it would have been wrong.

#98 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 12:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

For the record, I opposed blocking Garland.

#97 | Posted by BellRinger

And you proved it by re electing everyone who did it.

#99 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 12:12 PM | Reply

Every day bellringer reveals another indefensible action taken by republicans that he "didn't support", which he proves by continuing to vote for them.

#100 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#99 I'm not a single issue voter. I'm a small l Libertarian. As a practical matter Republicans better represent my views than Democrats. There are no unicorns in politics and there is a hell of a lot of corruption. Seriously, grow up.

#101 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 12:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

If he strongly disagreed with POTUS he could have blown the whistle anonymously or resigned and blown it publicly. Instead he chose to usurp power and conduct his own foreign policy.
Do any progressives understand how dangerous this precedent is if it goes unpunished?
Or do you all think it could only happen when a Republican is president therefore you don't give a rip?

#74 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2021-09-15 10:50 AM | REPLY

Progressives don't care how dangerous this is. All they care about is power and bitching about Trump. Meanwhile their savior's approval ratings are tanking and he's getting booed by millenials at college football games.

#102 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-09-15 12:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#102. The eff Biden chants really took me by surprise. It looks like a growing trend.

#103 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 12:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

In that post you inadvertently admit that had similar action been taken against Obama it would have been wrong.

Stop with the GOP BS. The analogy does not fit because Obama never did what Trump did to precipitate Milley's actions.

Why have you refused to admit Trump's complicity in this entire affair? Both you and Greenwald ignore that Trump's actions led to Milley's response and not the other way around. There is no analogy to ANY PRESIDENT since none have ever been impeached TWICE.

#104 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-15 12:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Isn't libertarianism just selfishness and small mindedness pretending to be a political philosophy? Large L or small it's a stupid outlook.

The repubs aren't libertarians, they don't believe in individual liberty. They believe in authoritarian supression of liberty.

Mostly, they are nihlists. They have no core values but the will to power over others.

Trump proved that. All the lofty values that the repubs supposedly stood for were jettisoned immediately when they thought that Trump could win decisively.

Libertarianism is a fraud. Just Like the "values" of the repukes.

#105 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-09-15 12:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#104. You keep circling back to "but GOP POTUS".

He broke the chain of command which is absolutely critical to our military.

He may be facing a court martial.

#106 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 12:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Lastly, isn't a President who fomented, then egged-on a mob siege of the US Capitol in order to stop the constitutionally-mandated presidential transfer of power an ENEMY of the US Constitution?

#76 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2021-09-15 11:06 AM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Egged on the mob? You haters still won't accept that Trump said "peacefully" or actually I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that based on your news sources you didn't know he said that. And let's remind ourselves that the so called insurection was a three hour event where 1 person died and she was an unarmed Trump supporter.

#107 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-09-15 12:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

All they care about is power

What (*&^*(&'n power? How are Democrats who support what Milley did to protect America gaining or protecting any power? How is trying to stop a virus' spread and keeping Americans out of hospitals and morgues about power?

You're just being imbecilic and projecting, just like Trump.

Only with self-blinded Republicans is following the military oath of allegiance and defending the nation from both foreign and domestic enemies about "power."

#108 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-15 12:51 PM | Reply

#102. The eff Biden chants really took me by surprise. It looks like a growing trend.

#103 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2021-09-15 12:40 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)
Especially by college crowds. It was refreshing that they are paying attention to what's going on nationally.

#109 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-09-15 12:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

There is no analogy to ANY PRESIDENT since none have ever been impeached TWICE.

#104 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2021-09-15 12:41 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

He was impeached by Nancy Pelosi. And let's face facts, he wasn't impeached for anything he did, afterall Nancy impeached him over Russia which was later debunked, he was impeached for the same reason he is hated by the left, he beat their queen Hillary. And don't give us the Trump was dangerous for questioning the outcome of the election when the left questioed the outcome of 2016 for 4 years and 41 million.

#110 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-09-15 12:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

The repubs aren't libertarians, they don't believe in individual liberty. They believe in authoritarian supression of liberty.
#105 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER AT 2021-09-15 12:43 PM | FLAG:

You mean like a vacine mandate? LOL

#111 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-09-15 01:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#99 I'm not a single issue voter. I'm a small l Libertarian. As a practical matter Republicans better represent my views than Democrats. There are no unicorns in politics and there is a hell of a lot of corruption. Seriously, grow up.

#101 | Posted by BellRinger

Yeah whine about corruption, then go vote for the more corrupt option. Makes lots of sense.

If you vote republican today, you are voting for lies, fascism, anti science propaganda, climate destruction, bounties on abortion seekers, and tax cuts for billionaires.

And you do it because they lie to you about the alternative - tell you democrats want marxism/socialism/to turn your kids gay.

You choose to accept REAL PROVEN republican corruption and incompetence as an alternative to IMAGINARY FICTIONAL threats that they tell you liberals want to enact.

#112 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You haters still won't accept that Trump said "peacefully"
#107 | Posted by fishpaw

Was that before or after he said "you have to fight" "you have to show strength" "you'll lose your country if you dont"?

#113 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 01:15 PM | Reply

afterall Nancy impeached him over Russia which was later debunked
#110 | Posted by fishpaw

The people who said russia was debunked are the same people who say climate change was debunked.

Want to see my make fishpaw run away? Watch this:

Why was trump's campaign manager caught giving trump campaign's polling data to putin?

#114 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 01:17 PM | Reply

Speaksoftly: Fishpaw is a -----. A complete and utter -----. Please do not re-post his garbage in responses. Many of us have killfiled him specifically so we do not have to read anything whatsoever that he posts.

#115 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-09-15 01:17 PM | Reply

Speaksoftly: Fishpaw is a -----. A complete and utter -----. Please do not re-post his garbage in responses. Many of us have killfiled him specifically so we do not have to read anything whatsoever that he posts.

#115 | Posted by moder8

Oh I dont killfile people. If I killfiled every person who spewed right wing lies there would be no one but liberals left. I enjoy seeing the idiocy they fall for and destroying it until they flee from the thread.

I particularly enjoy when one of them says russiagate was debunked. The question "why was paul manafort caught giving polling data to putin?" destroys their rotten little brains.

#116 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 01:28 PM | Reply

My responses are based on the reporting.

I acknowledge that the reporting could be over sensationalized, lacking context or an outright fabrication.

If it's fabricated Milley needs to come out and forcefully say so. If not, he needs to be hauled in front of congress and questioned and possibly investigated.

#117 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 01:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

He broke the chain of command which is absolutely critical to our military.
He may be facing a court martial.
#106 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

To your point:
I think if you're going to fall on your sword like this, then yes, you should resign afterwards.

But I don't think it was wrong for him to fall on his sword, for his country.
Do you?

#118 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-15 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If not, he needs to be hauled in front of congress and questioned and possibly investigated.

#117 | Posted by BellRinger

I'd love that. Then the whole world can hear a respected general say trump was unstable and the military had to defend the constitution and democracy from a republican madman.

That'll really help trump's re election campaign.

#119 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 01:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

With his core base it will. No question.

#120 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-09-15 02:00 PM | Reply

#119

You think you'd love it. Hearings wouldn't be about Trump. They'd be about the actions that Milley took. Code of conduct would get cited, chain of command and protocol. It would be about Milley. I get that everything is about Trump in your mind, but that's not the real world.

#121 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 02:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I get that everything is about Trump in your mind, but that's not the real world.

#121 | Posted by BellRinger

I get that a criminal president trying to replace democracy with fascism is not something that requires an unusual reaction, but that's not the real world.

Milley would tell the world WHY he did what he did. Of course his sycophant cult would scream and cry and try to tell him to NOT say any of that, because they have decided to try and advance their own careers by joining the fascist insurgency, but Milley would definitely get a chance to say WHY he had to take these extraordinary measures - because you morons elected a fascist tyrant who was unwilling to let go of power.

#122 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 02:42 PM | Reply

He would have to square his actions with the military code of conduct, of which he appears to be in clear violation of.

I get that you think the ends justify the means when it comes to elected officials whom you personally dislike, but again, that is not how things work in the real world.

#123 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 02:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

There's no violation.
There's total compliance.

#124 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-15 02:49 PM | Reply

that is not how things work in the real world.

#123 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

How it works in the real world is that an insane man was given the power to start a nuclear war.

#125 | Posted by Zed at 2021-09-15 02:58 PM | Reply

I get that everything is about Trump in your mind, but that's not the real world.
#121 | Posted by BellRinger

In the real world, this particular incident is about Trump.

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-15 03:04 PM | Reply

"General Milley continues to act and advise within his authority in the lawful tradition of civilian control of the military and his oath to the Constitution," Army Col. David Butler, Milley's spokesman, said in a statement Wednesday afternoon.

"The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs regularly communicates with Chiefs of Defense across the world, including with China and Russia," Butler said, explaining Milley's actions as reported in the book. "These conversations remain vital to improving mutual understanding of U.S. national security interests, reducing tensions, providing clarity and avoiding unintended consequences or conflict."

His calls with the Chinese and others in October and January, said Butler, "were in keeping with these duties and responsibilities conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability. All calls from the Chairman to his counterparts, including those reported, are staffed, coordinated and communicated with the Department of Defense and the interagency."

Milley, in keeping with "his responsibilities as senior military advisor to the President and Secretary of Defense...frequently conducts meetings with uniformed leaders across the Services to ensure all leaders are aware of current issues," Butler said. "The meeting regarding nuclear weapons protocols was to remind uniformed leaders in the Pentagon of the long-established and robust procedures in light of media reporting on the subject."

www.militarytimes.com

There you go Bellringer. Have at it because you obviously know more than any Pentagon official about what Milley did, right?

#127 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-15 03:09 PM | Reply

And for those late on the uptake, Milley LIED when he said that the Chinese intelligence's worries about Trump's mental stability were simply normal issues that happen in democracy. Milley and many inside the chain of command shared the same worries about Trump's increasing irrationality themselves. Trump wanted to order active troops into American streets because of Floyd protests - which is blatantly unconstitutional and illegal!

All the events did not happen in a vacuum! You cannot judge Milley as an individual actor when his actions were in response to a twice-impeached President who tried to use a mob to stop a constitutional process that would lead to his own removal from power. Trump's subversion of the Constitution was already established, and Milley's job was to protect and defend this nation from its enemies. He did his job to the best of his ability.

The fact that Trump supporters are upset with that is laughable considering they downplay Trump's repeated attempts to overturn the certified election results to maintain power that he had no rights to. All Milley did was try to protect America and the world from Trump trying something again illegal through the use of the U.S. Military.

#128 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-15 03:20 PM | Reply

#127 So, now you are going with an appeal to authority?

Should I do the same?

#129 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 03:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Let's talk about General Milley's actions....

www.youtube.com

I didn't know that much about him... but I already knew what treason is, and this ain't it.

Patriotism, more like. Particularly considering who he is.

#130 | Posted by Corky at 2021-09-15 04:11 PM | Reply

He may be facing a court martial.
#106 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

LOL. Dream on insurrectionist.

That would be what would happen in Trumplandia. Trumplandia is a place where hateful fools like Rush Dimbulb get a Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Fortunately we do not live in Trumplandia. Trumpy's seditious attempts to overthrow our democracy failed.

Fortunately we live in Biden's America. In the shadow of Trumps failed coup attempt.

And in Biden's America he may just get a medal.

Just more proof of how much elections matter.

#131 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-15 05:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If anyone is still interested in anything other than circular arguments, the Milley-PRC Gen phone call was legal per 2017 Trump policy called "Joint Strategic Dialog Mechanism:"
www.defense.gov

#132 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-09-15 05:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He would have to square his actions with the military code of conduct, of which he appears to be in clear violation of.

I get that you think the ends justify the means when it comes to elected officials whom you personally dislike, but again, that is not how things work in the real world.

#123 | Posted by BellRinger

What is his higher obligation - his pledge to defend the constitution from domestic threats, or the military code of conduct?

He didn't pledge allegiance to your fascist cult leader. He pledged it to the country.

#133 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 05:53 PM | Reply

that is not how things work in the real world.

#123 | Posted by BellRinger

Like Trumptilians know how "things work in the real world".

It is interesting how Trumptilians call for accountability after letting trump literally get away with the murder of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

Hypocrisy is a better word

Republicans had two chances to do their duty in the "real world" and they blew it. Now the adults are in charge.

Now you will see how things work in the real world.

Meanwhile you insurrectionists still supporting the Big Lie can GFY.

YOU have no standing here.

#134 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-15 06:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Milley is TOTALLY EXONERATED!

#135 | Posted by bored at 2021-09-15 08:04 PM | Reply

You would have all lost your minds had the same thing been done while Obama was president.

#136 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 08:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#134. Apparently I do have standing here. I'm posting from my phone and am standing up, hence standing.

#137 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 08:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You clowns are so binary and moronic. I can't stand Trump and didn't vote for him. That doesn't mea. I'm so blinded by political rage that I will excuse any action, no matter what, so long as it was aimed at undermining him.

#138 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 08:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Principle, precedent, rule of law, protocol, the Constitution.

These things are all critical no matter who is in power.

#139 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 08:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

You would have all lost your minds had the same thing been done while Obama was president.

#136 | Posted by BellRinger

No if obama was a fascist who was interested in staying in power beyond his term, I'd want the military to oppose him and defend the constitution. But we don't elect people like that. Only you morons do.

#140 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 08:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You clowns are so binary and moronic. I can't stand Trump and didn't vote for him. That doesn't mea. I'm so blinded by political rage that I will excuse any action, no matter what, so long as it was aimed at undermining him.

#138 | Posted by BellRinger

Yeah you so can't stand trump that you're going to vote for republicans who've protected him and parroted his lies. That'll show em that their behavior....gets rewarded.

If you dont think trump has earned political rage, you shouldnt be calling anyone else a moron. You're the idiot paddling on a mattress beside the sinking titanic asking what everyone is so worked up about.

#141 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 08:28 PM | Reply

Jeez, Speak

You are such an unthinking one trick pony.

Zero concept of precedent, unintended consequences, legal theory, etc. it's all political for you. If your perceived enemies are targeted, no matter the means, it must be just.

#142 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 08:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It borders on psychopathic.

#143 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 08:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It borders on psychopathic.

#143 | Posted by BellRinger

Trump is psychopathic. His supporters are psychopathic. Having a psychopaths steering the bus we're all riding on is a problem for anyone with a brain. The fact that you dont see the big deal with having an entire political party turn into the cult of a fascist con man is simply an admission of your own stupidity.

#144 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-15 08:45 PM | Reply

Elections have consequences. Is that beyond your simplistic comprehension?

#145 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 08:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

A former senior defense official told CNN that the Chinese were unusually concerned about the rhetoric coming out of Washington in the days before the election, and the public rhetoric on the Chinese side was escalating as a result. [Sec Def] Esper tasked his top policy official with getting a backchannel message to Beijing to reassure the Chinese, which was done before Milley's call, the former official said.

"It was a two-step process led by the SecDef and DoD civilians," the official said. "That's an important distinction. The purpose was to avoid any unnecessary confrontation that could lead to conflict."

Milley conducted the October 30 call in consultation with then-Defense Secretary Mark Esper.

The second call Milley made was placed was on January 8, and Woodward and Costa write that Milley knew Chinese leadership were "stunned and disoriented by the televised images of the unprecedented attack on the American legislature." Other countries, including Russia and Iran, were also on high alert.

"Things may look unsteady," Milley said on the call, according to the book. "But that's the nature of democracy, General Li. We are 100 percent steady. Everything is fine. But democracy can be sloppy sometimes."

After the call, Milley "was convinced the situation was grave," according to the book, as Li remained unusually rattled.

www.cnn.com

There were 15 people on both videoconference calls Milley held with his Chinese counterpart, one on October 30 and another on January 8 -- including a representative from the State Department, according to one defense official. The read-out and notes from the calls were shared with the intelligence community and the interagency, the official said.

www.cnn.com

IOW, normal protocols considering what Trump's own irrational behavior forced the Pentagon to deal with regarding other foreign governments freaked the eff out by his actions. Milley followed the orders he was given by his superiors, he was not acting rogue or unilaterally according to Pentagon sources claiming to have been in the loop themselves.

It cannot be repeated enough - This entire affair was a Trump-fueled reaction, it was not instituted for any purpose but for our military protecting this nation from Trump's own actions and the world's reactions to them.

#146 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-15 09:31 PM | Reply

That's what impeachment and the 25th are for.

Considering the GOP's negligence for their own wealth and power it's no wonder Milley didn't trust the means in place to remove someone whom he saw firsthand was a clear and present danger.

#147 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-15 10:38 PM | Reply

Bulldonger is one stupid @ss mf-er.

#148 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-09-15 10:52 PM | Reply

You contribute absolutely nothing. Anyone can come up with ------- "insults".

#149 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 11:32 PM | Reply

#149 - no, not anyone. Just small minds. Great minds discuss ideas and mediocre minds discuss events. I've added all the small minds of this site to my killfile list. You should try it. It's great.

#150 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-15 11:44 PM | Reply

This.

Biden comes to Milley's defense after revelation top general, fearing Trump, conferred with China to avert war

#151 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-15 11:57 PM | Reply

It's just a little light treason by top brass to temporarily usurp civilian leadership of the military, because of a China fearing an attack with no evidence by a president that didn't invade any new countries and set the stage to withdraw from others.

I feel like this is going to go really well in 2024.

#152 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-16 09:05 AM | Reply

I've added all the small minds of this site to my killfile list.

#150 | POSTED BY JAKESTER AT 2021-09-15 11:44 PM | FLAG: SIZE QUEEN

It's what a BIG man does.

#153 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-09-16 10:34 AM | Reply

" I've added all the small minds of this site to my killfile list."

More like a compendium of who recognized Goatman's posts immediately.

The guy's got more "tells" than a rookie poker player wearing mirrored glasses.

#154 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-16 10:38 AM | Reply

#153 - Exactly, rightistrite. Big men do not read books or periodicals by authors they dislike either. Why should it be different here? That's why I killfile people who have nothing to contribute.

Maybe people like you get a charge reading posts from people who literally contribute nothing but cheap drive byes and NEVER anything substantial. It doesn't do anything for me, however. So sue me. And keep on enjoying the crap they post, rightistrite. It says a lot about you.

#155 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-16 11:04 AM | Reply

"Big men do not read books or periodicals by authors they dislike either."

Do they have their big secretaries take big scissors to the newspaper and cut out the offending articles?

I was hoping, when you left, that you were getting better.

But since your return, you have made it clear that things have gotten worse for you.

It's not healthy for you to be here. And frankly it's not healthy for us either.

#156 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-16 11:11 AM | Reply

That's what impeachment and the 25th are for.

What Milley did was wrong and may be criminal

#23 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-14 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag

When you have a speaker who is a coward, afraid of the trumptards or the next mean tweet who REFUSES to hear evidence and hold him accountable IMPEACHMENT is irrelevant. ------- from an adult...sure thing. Extorting a campaign lie from an ally in exchange for legally appropriated military aid not so much.

The GOP let a craven lunatic with obvious mental issues run their party, now they are afraid of him or see him as their only way back into power so they refuse to do their job. They are as corrupt as he is.

#157 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-09-16 11:41 AM | Reply

You would have all lost your minds had the same thing been done while Obama was president.

#136 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-15 08:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

I remember that one time Obama wore a tan suit while eating a hotdog with spicy mustard and reading off a teleprompter.

Hardly the same set of circumstances.

#158 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-09-16 11:49 AM | Reply

You would have all lost your minds had the same thing been done while Obama was president.
#136 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

So what you're saying is, you're losing your mind over this?

Just soz ya know: We can pretty much see that.

#159 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-16 11:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"According to a 2005 Washington Post article, the president is always accompanied by a military aide carrying a "football" with launch codes for nuclear weapons.

If the president (who is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces) decides to order the use of nuclear weapons, they would be taken aside by the "carrier" and the briefcase would be opened. A command signal, or "watch" alert, would then be issued to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The president would then review the attack options with the secretary of defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and decide on a plan, which could range from a single cruise missile to multiple ICBM launches.

It is argued that the president has almost sole authority to initiate a nuclear attack because the Secretary of Defense is required to verify the order, but cannot veto it.[9][10][11] However, the President's authority as Commander-in-Chief is not unlimited and US law dictates that the attack must be lawful and that military officers are required to refuse to execute unlawful orders, such as those that violate the Laws of Armed Conflict."

-from a pretty good Wiki article with plenty of citations en.wikipedia.org

It's clear to me Milley was acting upon his knowledge and observations, and reaffirming their duties to his subordinates.

And I certainly hope similar safeguards and contingencies are in place around every president, including President Biden.

#160 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-09-16 11:56 AM | Reply

"It is argued that the president has almost sole authority to initiate a nuclear attack because the Secretary of Defense is required to verify the order, but cannot veto it."

^
This sounds like the Senate's duty to "Advise and Consent" which somehow didn't actually result in Merrick Garland ever getting the Senate to vote on his nomination.

#161 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-16 12:16 PM | Reply

Elections have consequences. Is that beyond your simplistic comprehension?

#145 | Posted by BellRinger

Oh wow you just won the debate against whoever told you they didnt.

#162 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-16 12:45 PM | Reply

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