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Tuesday, September 14, 2021

A federal judge in Utica issued a temporary restraining order regarding the state's mandate to have employees in health care facilities vaccinated by the end of the month.

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""it would be a violation of their deeply held religious beliefs and moral consciences to take any of the available COVID-19 vaccines given their use of abortion-derived fetal cell lines in testing, development, or production."

Please provide the Chapter and Verse that denies them the right to have the advantage of a vaccination. These are just obstructionist jerks, not deeply religious people standing on Biblical principles. Jesus would laugh in their faces.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-15 06:32 AM | Reply

This is just --------.

#2 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-09-15 06:51 AM | Reply

I think it's always been this way.

#3 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-09-15 06:51 AM | Reply

religion shows its ugly face again- it only serves self-interestest. They don't love us all!

#4 | Posted by Brennnn at 2021-09-15 08:19 AM | Reply

""it would be a violation of their deeply held religious beliefs and moral consciences to take any of the available COVID-19 vaccines given their use of abortion-derived fetal cell lines in testing, development, or production."

I wonder if any of the treatments use abortion-derived fetal cell lines in testing, development or production? And, if so, would/should those that got a religious exemption be prevented from receiving treatment.

I would like to see more employers do what Delta Airlines did and boost the cost of an employee's medical insurance if (s)he refused to take the vaccine irrespective unless it was for a documented medical condition.

#5 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2021-09-15 09:56 AM | Reply

Danni,

I agree Republicans are not doing themselves any favors with this stance on being vaccinated.

I agree with many other things supported by the right.

This is not one of them.

#6 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-09-15 10:05 AM | Reply

Danni,

There are other times churches should claim religious freedom such as supporting abortion or gay marriage.

Now they're in for a penny in for a pound. They could undermine themselves and play into the hands of liberals.

Both Democrates and Republicans are playing covid as a political issue and pretending they arent.

#7 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-09-15 10:12 AM | Reply

We don't want unvaccinated people working in health care.

If your sincere religious beliefs mean you don't quality for the job, then you don't qualify for the job.

Even BillJohnson gets it!

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-15 10:24 AM | Reply

Some background:

www.nebraskamed.com

The religious position is slightly more nuanced than I had realized.

#9 | Posted by Foreigner at 2021-09-15 10:42 AM | Reply

Nuanced? You misspelled stupid.

Also ridiculous is the notion they're deeply held. For most they're not. Their behavior suggests as much.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-15 10:56 AM | Reply

That's fine. They don't have to get vaccinated. They also don't have to leave their homes.

You don't get to endanger other people because of your religious beliefs.

#11 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-09-15 11:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#10 - nuanced in the sense that vaccine research and development has used cells which can be traced back to cells obtained through abortion. Given that this is not a field of which I claim to have detailed knowledge, I had initially expected to find no connection to aborted cells and was wrong.

I don't know the people involved in blocking the state mandate. I'm pretty sure you don't either - certainly not all of them. Yet you claim to know, at least for most of them, that their views are not deeply held. I find the tendency to lump all opposition into convenient categories limits critical thinking.

I do not support the stance of those opposing the mandates, not because they may or may not have deeply held religious beliefs, but because I don't care about their religious beliefs. Once a religious belief starts to endanger anyone outside of the circle of similarly minded individuals, the right to claim a special dispensation ends as far as I am concerned.

#12 | Posted by Foreigner at 2021-09-15 11:44 AM | Reply

when religions turn into more to political fronts and
organizations (which several of the rightwing evangelical
persuasion are) they should fall into a new category
that is largely ignored by the courts (in cases similar to this)
AND they should lose their Tax Exempt Status...

#13 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-09-15 01:06 PM | Reply

People who get the vaccination exemption in New York State should be compelled to wear a scarlet 'C' on their breast for Contagious.

#14 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-09-15 01:11 PM | Reply

Foreign,

That is interesting. Haven't heard that.

Just like barrier method contraception methods are very important to a significant portion of the conservative Christian community, I could see your point being a deal breaker for these people.

It's not some passing fancy or even politically motivated.

If this is true that could indeed be a problem.

#15 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-09-15 01:17 PM | Reply

"Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man ... living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money."

George Carlin

#16 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2021-09-15 01:39 PM | Reply

George Carlin?

Really?

Something tells me you're a stoner.

#17 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-09-15 02:27 PM | Reply

"Something tells me you're a stoner."

That "something' also told you to vote for Trump, didn't it?

#18 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2021-09-15 02:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

George Carlin?

Really?

Something tells me you're a stoner.

#17 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-09-15 02:27 PM

Carlin had one of the most acute noses for BS ever born and called it out unsparingly.
The sage of our age.

#19 | Posted by morris at 2021-09-15 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Your "deeply held beliefs" do not determine the functioning of physical reality. Airborne viruses neither know, nor care what your beliefs are, nor do your body's mechanism, what you believe.

Why do your beliefs entitle you to affect people who don't believe the same as you? If you are unvaccinated you are a transmission vector. What gives you that right?

#20 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-09-15 04:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

AND they should lose their Tax Exempt Status...

#13 | POSTED BY EARTHMUSE

Yes. As soon as they step out of their churches and start meddling with the legal and political systems to force their beliefs onto others, they are no longer charitable organizations.

#21 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-09-16 12:09 AM | Reply

#19 | POSTED BY MORRIS

Sure wish he were still with us. When Will Jesus Bring the Pork Chops is next on my reading list.

#22 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-09-16 12:12 AM | Reply

If Christians were truly "pro-life" they'd get their jab.

#23 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-09-16 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Regardless of a person's view on abortion, based on current information I believe people should get vaccinated.

There's a balance between priorities.

Besides liberals are being handed an opportunity to use this against Christians.

Just my opinion.

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#24 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-09-17 09:46 AM | Reply

" ... an opportunity to use this against Christians ...

... who missed The Parable of the Talents in the Bible.

At least honestly finish the sentence.

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-17 09:52 AM | Reply

Dan,

What I am saying is that atheists might use this issue to make inroads into other issues where I believe Christian churches should stand their ground.

The point of vaccines is to help everyone and the courts might set a dangerous precedent by overruling religious freedom.

This is through the eyes of a layman.

#26 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-09-17 11:01 AM | Reply

Dan,

Throwing Bibles verses at your opponent is a tricky game.

Are they allowed to do the same?

#27 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-09-17 11:09 AM | Reply

"Are they allowed to do the same?"

Sure; any sinless one gets to throw a rock.

You know ... the Jesus Rule.

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-17 01:30 PM | Reply

" ... might set a dangerous precedent by overruling religious freedom."

Where did Jesus teach the right to infect others with a potentially fatal disease?

All I heard was "Love thy brother as thyself." "You are your brother's keeper", and "the greatest of these is love".

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-17 01:36 PM | Reply

Dan,

I'd venture to guess you and I both have much to repent.

Who's holding a stone?

Jesus said the 2 greatest commandments are to love God with all your heart and soul; and love your brother as you love yourself.

Anyone can do the second one.

Even the heathen.

#30 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-09-17 04:18 PM | Reply

"Also ridiculous is the notion they're deeply held. For most they're not. Their behavior suggests as much."

You know what's strange?

The anti-vaccination crowd, for years, was comprised of three distinct groups.

The religious.

The progressive left who didn't want to support big pharma's unnecessary inoculations

And the hippies who preferred homeopathic remedies.

I wonder where they are all at today?

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-09-17 04:29 PM | Reply

Bill- You can't even love yourself, what chance do the rest of us have?

#32 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-09-17 06:14 PM | Reply

"Anyone can do the second one."

Except the anti-vaxxers. They've decided to treat others as "the least of their brethren" instead.

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-17 06:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jesus said the 2 greatest commandments are to love God with all your heart and soul; and love your brother as you love yourself.

#30 | Posted by BillJohnson

Now tell us what he said about the sick, the poor, and immigrants and then tell us what party you think he'd vote for.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-17 06:32 PM | Reply

You know what's strange?

The anti-vaccination crowd, for years, was comprised of three distinct groups.

The religious.

The progressive left who didn't want to support big pharma's unnecessary inoculations

And the hippies who preferred homeopathic remedies.

I wonder where they are all at today?

#31 | Posted by madbomber

Many are their graves.

One thing is for sure, it's not the progressive left or hippies who are ripping masks off of people in public.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-17 06:33 PM | Reply

" I'd venture to guess you and I both have much to repent. Who's holding a stone?"

You were about to hit me with some Bible verses. Please do. And concentrate on the times Jesus said NOT to look after others, or said passing on a possibly fatal disease to innocents was okay with His Dad.

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-17 06:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The only actual theological argument against getting one of these vaccine involves a possible abortion decades ago and was part of the research.

Here's the thing is that was a child it is now dead.

We are assuredly alive and it is our duty to ensure that we do not harm our neighbors.

If you feel bad about getting the vaccine adopt a child, donate money to a foster home, or sponsor kids in need in some other country but you don't get the virus and kill kids as a result of your supposed morality.

#37 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-17 06:44 PM | Reply

The only actual theological argument against getting one of these vaccine involves a possible abortion decades ago and was part of the research.

#37 | Posted by Tor

Except the bible never really mentions abortion.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-17 06:55 PM | Reply

Kind of yes kind of no.

And even if it doesn't some people feel life begins at conception others when the kid takes its first breath Etc.

I wonder how they'd feel if they found out how much life-saving research came out of human guinea pigs that were looking to avoid dying in Vietnam?

#39 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-17 07:09 PM | Reply

Alex,

If you had any idea what you're talking about you'd know gay people deal with self acceptance issues regardless of religious beliefs.

My Christian beliefs helped me cope and find self acceptance.

#40 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-09-17 07:43 PM | Reply

My Christian beliefs helped me cope and find self acceptance.

#40 | Posted by BillJohnson

You rejected self acceptance and forced yourself to marry a sex you're not attracted to so you could be accepted in a theocratic cult.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-17 07:53 PM | Reply

Except the bible never really mentions abortion.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Numbers 5:11-31

'Bitter water' for wives suspected of being unfaithful (Exodus). If she's guilty it's supposed to induce a miscarriage.

#42 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-09-17 07:54 PM | Reply

That's the only mention in the Bible that's even close to talking about abortion ...

#43 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-09-17 07:54 PM | Reply

#43 - who cares what the bible says about abortion or anything? It is no more a realistic tome than Harry Potter.

#44 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-17 07:56 PM | Reply

#43 - who cares what the bible says about abortion or anything? It is no more a realistic tome than Harry Potter.

#44 | Posted by jakester

You should care. Without catering to those bible thumping morons your cult would lose every election in the country.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-17 07:58 PM | Reply

#43 - who cares what the bible says about abortion or anything? It is no more a realistic tome than Harry Potter.

#44 | Posted by jakester

Evangelical 'Christians' on line one ...

#46 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-09-17 08:18 PM | Reply

#46 - put them on hold. But if sasquatch calls, I'll take it. He's more likely to exist than any of the 5,000 gods mankind has been plagued with in their history.

#47 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-17 08:28 PM | Reply

"It is no more a realistic tome than Harry Potter."

No way. Helping the poor and the unfortunate is a much better social agenda than whatever is in Harry Potter.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-17 08:54 PM | Reply

Harry Potter isn't very poetic

#49 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-09-17 09:18 PM | Reply

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