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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Saturday, September 18, 2021

Katherine J. Wu: Twitter is rife with accusations that remaining unvaccinated is akin to drunk driving, smoking, or harming children. But these comparisons, while hinting at communal risk, can backfire.

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Scott, who leads vaccine outreach efforts in her community, told me she's been favoring a different analogy: casting the spread of infection as fire, and humans as the kindling that the flames need to persist. [Vaccines are like] sprays of flame retardant that can waylay fire on the move, while also shielding vegetation from the worst of the burn. The more trees are protected, the sooner the fire has nowhere left to go.

Another option: thwarting bugs with insecticides, given that curbing an infestation in one apartment slashes the chances that it will move next door.

#1 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-18 12:39 PM | Reply

@#1 ... "shut down and stop listening." ...

While that may be true for vaccines in general, the CIVID vaccine situation has another aspect - politics. Republicans leaders actively going against medical advice for their constituents to get the vaccine.

It is less than those shunning the vaccine have stopped listening, it is who they have been and continue to listen to.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-18 01:00 PM | Reply

@#2

How a rogue doctor who called the vaccine 'needle rape' was made an Idaho public-health official in its worst COVID crisis yet
www.businessinsider.com

...

-A doctor who called the COVID-19 vaccine "needle rape" made it to one of Idaho's top health boards.

- Dr Ryan Cole, a pathologist with no public health experience, was championed by the GOP.

...



#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-18 01:02 PM | Reply

Who cares

After a point adults stop humoring a childs tantrum

I'm fully capable of continuing like this into perpetuity. I have my remote work contract and an already established routine to deal with exposure

I don't care if these people pound sand until they either get vaccinated, or die from COVID.

I can wait them out They are in reality only making this more difficult on themselves, not me

#4 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-09-18 01:56 PM | Reply

@#4 ... Who cares ...

Offhand, I'd say one group that may care are those with severe non-COVID medical problems and who are dying because there are no more hospital beds available in some areas.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-18 02:03 PM | Reply

Lawmaker Switches From Republican to Democrat Due to NH GOP's Anti-Vaccine Stance
www.nbcboston.com

...A New Hampshire lawmaker on Tuesday switched his party affiliation from Republican to Democrat due what he says is the Republican House leadership's anti-vaccine stance.

"I cannot stand idly by while extremists reject the reasonable precautions of vaccinations and masks," Rep. Bill Marsh of Brookfield said in a statement. "And so I have reluctantly changed my party affiliation. I urge others to consider what is happening and come to their own conclusions."...



#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-18 02:09 PM | Reply

"We know that shaming of any kind just doesn't work," says Cora Scott. Cast as enemies, people "shut down and stop listening."

I think for most people it's no longer about trying to drag the idiots into the current century against their own will.

It's now about expressing contempt and disgust at their entitlement and selfishness.

Anti-vaxxers are the kind of kid who nobody wants in their group projects because they only slow the work down and prevent goals from being met. Unfortunately for the rest of us this project can't be completed by simply ignoring them and doing it anyway.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-18 04:31 PM | Reply

You know what the "historic" way to deal with people that don't accept a plague is afoot?

You throw rocks at them until they go away or die.

I Can Only Imagine what people living in antiquity would be more than happy to do to anyone who refuses to get vaccinated.

Ffs circumcision likely started off as a attempt to prevent the spread of bacterial illnesses.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-18 05:30 PM | Reply

"It's now about expressing contempt and disgust at their entitlement and selfishness."

Yeah it's always been that.

Welfare Queens. ---- Pills. Those are reasons to hate, not attempts to reach black women and women who use birth control.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-18 05:44 PM | Reply

Analogies require functioning educated brains to understand them.

Anti vaxxers don't have those.

Even if they understood the point, they're brainwashed to reject it, or else they'll be rejected by their cult.

Their cult membership is more important than the lives of their fellow citizens, or even their own kids.

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-18 06:23 PM | Reply

"It is less than those shunning the vaccine have stopped listening, it is who they have been and continue to listen to."

It's both. When people are shamed, they're not given a reason or incentive to listen to anyone else than they have been listening to. In fact, in many cases an association is formed in their minds between alternative viewpoints and the shaming experience.

#11 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-18 08:18 PM | Reply

@#11 ... It's both. ...

I'd tend to agree it is both.

Pre-COVID, it was the shaming you describe.

However, the Republicans have made all things COVID a political issue, and that has changed the reasoning behind a lot of the anti-vaxxers.

Anti-mask and anti-vax have become more of a Republican rite of passage. As such, I doubt if shaming is even a significant factor anymore.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-18 09:18 PM | Reply

"How a rogue doctor who called the vaccine 'needle rape' was made an Idaho public-health official in its worst COVID crisis yet"

The irony is this is actually a stronger analogy than the ones that have been touted here lately. Vaccination literally involves bodily penetration. Ridiculing or shaming people for feeling that coercion involving bodily penetration is a type of rape is both hypocritical and counterproductive, and it's probably the last thing that should be focused on when questioning that guy's qualifications.

"While that may be true for vaccines in general, the CIVID vaccine situation has another aspect - politics. Republicans leaders actively going against medical advice for their constituents to get the vaccine."

I don't disagree that most Republican leaders and especially Trumpers have been particularly bad and guilty of politicizing it. But let's stop pretending that many on the left haven't been useful idiots in helping Republicans and anti-vaxxers push that wedge. A rational person would take a more nuanced position than lumping everyone who has personal reservations about a relatively new drug, about big pharma, about the quality of the U.S. health systems, about bodily penetration, etc. all together as well as with those who are anti-mask and anti-social distancing.

Five years ago, we saw the catastrophic consequence of lumping huge groups of people together as "deplorables". Those who do not learn from the past doom the rest of us to repeat it.

#13 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-18 09:27 PM | Reply

"Vaccination literally involves bodily penetration."

So does eating hamberders.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-18 09:35 PM | Reply

@#13 ... many on the left haven't been useful idiots in helping Republicans and anti-vaxxers push that wedge. ...

Not unexpected in the hyper-political environment the Republicans have turned COVID into.

... A rational person would take a more nuanced position ...

You're expecting nuanced positions from rational people in the highly politicized environment of today?

fwiw, there are some quite rational people who are providing nuanced non-shaming information --- the medical community.

But even they are target of the Republicans. See the article in my #3 comment.



#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-18 09:48 PM | Reply

"Vaccination literally involves bodily penetration. Ridiculing or shaming people for feeling that coercion involving bodily penetration is a type of rape is both hypocritical and counterproductive"

Based on that barometer, every schoolchild is an annual victim of rape(s).

What a ------- insult to every actual rape victim in history.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-18 11:16 PM | Reply

Based on that barometer...

I was raped by a mosquito the other day. I'll never live down the shame.

#17 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-09-18 11:18 PM | Reply

"Based on that barometer, every schoolchild is an annual victim of rape(s).
What a ------- insult to every actual rape victim in history."

No more so than how another analogy is an actual insult to every actual drunk driving victim in history. You don't want to acknowledge that it's an ethical dilemma, like mutilating children's genitalia "for their own good". You condemn others for having an emotional response to an argument in lieu of a rational one, yet that's exactly what you're doing here.

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-19 06:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I was raped by a mosquito the other day. I'll never live down the shame."

Did you kill the mosquito?

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-19 06:47 AM | Reply

>"Vaccination literally involves bodily penetration."
"So does eating hamberders."

Ask a vegan how they feel about being force fed hamberders.

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-19 06:50 AM | Reply

#20 No one is being forced to get vaccinated.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-19 10:09 AM | Reply

@#16 ... Based on that barometer, every schoolchild is an annual victim of rape(s). ...

As well as everyone who has ever had surgery, or had a tooth filled, or got a tattoo, or (possible if they don't get vaccinated) will be intubated, etc., etc., etc....



#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-19 11:06 AM | Reply

"You condemn others for having an emotional response to an argument in lieu of a rational one"

No, dude, I'm suggesting actual rape victims would/should have a HUGE problem with your insultingly false equivalency.

I mean...are you farkin' serious? Rape is akin to getting an unwanted vaccine??? GTFOH.

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-19 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Also, nobody gets "unwanted" vaccines. You don't have to get a vaccine if you don't want to.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-19 12:38 PM | Reply

"No, dude, I'm suggesting actual rape victims would/should have a HUGE problem with your insultingly false equivalency."

You're getting really close here to using language like "legitimate rape". Rape does not necessarily involve physical force. Coercion to have intercourse as a condition of employment is still considered rape, as is heavy peer pressure.

Some people may find FGM to be an insulting analogy to rape, but that doesn't make the comparison invalid.

#25 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-19 02:47 PM | Reply

"Coercion to have intercourse as a condition of employment is still considered rape, as is heavy peer pressure."

Why bring intercourse into this all of a sudden, when we started with needles?

I had to get fingerprinted to get my NCR badge.

Uncle Sam raped me.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-19 02:53 PM | Reply

The analogy was one of bodily penetration and coercion.

Did you feel coerced?

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-19 03:27 PM | Reply

"You're getting really close here to using language like "legitimate rape"

You're ignoring The First Rule of Holes.

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-19 03:28 PM | Reply

Sentinel is conflating a getting a shot with sex.
I guess in his case, they both involve a tiny -----.

#29 | Posted by bored at 2021-09-19 03:40 PM | Reply

Also it is finished in seconds and the receiver will likely feel bad afterwards.

#30 | Posted by bored at 2021-09-19 03:43 PM | Reply

"The analogy was one of bodily penetration and coercion."

One of a violent act of hate, and the other a society trying to protect itself by helping those too stupid to help themselves.

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-19 04:23 PM | Reply

Societies which practice FGM see it as protecting the young woman as well as protecting the society itself. Some of them may also see them as being too stupid to help themselves.

#32 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-19 04:41 PM | Reply

FMG is for the man/husband.

Old joke;

How long does it take for a woman to ---?

Who cares

#33 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-09-19 04:51 PM | Reply

"Societies which practice FGM see it as protecting..."

Keep digging, Chump.

Your posts are starting to echo on the way up.

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-19 04:56 PM | Reply

Yup, it definitely looks like you're belittling victims of GM, Dan.

#35 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-19 05:09 PM | Reply

"Did you feel coerced?"

It was a condition of employment.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-19 05:28 PM | Reply

Did you honestly feel coerced by the employer? Or were you seduced?

#37 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-19 05:49 PM | Reply

Why not both?

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-19 05:59 PM | Reply

Why not stop prevaricating and answer the question.

#39 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-19 06:06 PM | Reply

When I have sex it's never rape.
When I got vaccinated I was happy and relieved.
Is this example of a failed analogy still being discussed?
Is that because it's an example of what a really horrible analogy is?

#40 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-19 06:14 PM | Reply

"Did you honestly feel coerced by the employer?"

Do you honestly feel employees who are required to be vaccinated are being coerced?

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-19 06:18 PM | Reply

The question is whether they honestly feel they're being coerced. If someone says they feel they've been or are being coerced to do something against their will, is your first instinct to throw rocks at them?

#42 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-19 06:55 PM | Reply

ACLU on vaccine mandate:" far from compromising civil liberties, vaccine mandates actually further civil liberties. They protect the most vulnerable among us, including people w disabilities & fragile immune systems, children too young to be vaccinated ""
twitter.com

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-19 09:42 PM | Reply

Five years ago, we saw the catastrophic consequence of lumping huge groups of people together as "deplorables". Those who do not learn from the past doom the rest of us to repeat it.

#13 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Actually, we learned that it was an apt description.

We're finding our worst fears to be true with anti-vaxxer morons as well.

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-19 09:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No more so than how another analogy is an actual insult to every actual drunk driving victim in history. You don't want to acknowledge that it's an ethical dilemma, like mutilating children's genitalia "for their own good". You condemn others for having an emotional response to an argument in lieu of a rational one, yet that's exactly what you're doing here.

#18 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Jesus. You're like humtake...but dumber.

I didn't think that was possible...

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-19 10:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Humtake at least has the common decency to leave after proclaiming his lies.

He doesn't stick around and stink up the joint.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-19 10:02 PM | Reply

Yup, it definitely looks like you're belittling victims of GM, Dan.

#35 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Actually, you are by comparing it to a wholly transient and harmless -----------.

---- you you piece of ----.

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-19 10:04 PM | Reply

"Five years ago, we saw the catastrophic consequence of lumping huge groups of people together as "deplorables"."

It wasn't the labeling that was the problem.
It was the deplorable things they did that was the problem.
Ask GoNoles if he minds being labeled Deplorable for voting for Trump. Go on, ask him.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-19 10:08 PM | Reply

"Actually, you are by comparing it to a wholly transient and harmless -----------.
---- you you piece of ----."

Just change your username to AngryDrunk24/7 and be done with it.

You're so irrational you can't even realize the comparison in this context was between circumcision and rape.

#49 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-19 10:36 PM | Reply

"It wasn't the labeling that was the problem."

Did you enjoy the Trump ---- show? Are you longing for another one?

#50 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-19 10:47 PM | Reply

"Why Many Vaccine Analogies Fail"

One reason is when you don't even make a vaccine analogy:
"the comparison in this context was between circumcision and rape."

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-19 10:47 PM | Reply

"Are you longing for another one?"

Did you only vote for Trump after someone called you Deplorable?
If so, they were right.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-19 10:48 PM | Reply

You're so irrational you can't even realize the comparison in this context was between circumcision and rape.

#49 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

You're such a moron you can't even realize the entire conversation is offensively stupid.

And I'm far from drunk. Haven't had anything to drink but tea.

You're just an offensively stupid person who thinks they genuinely have something worth stating.

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-19 11:20 PM | Reply

Sentinel is being an oaf, on purpose. Always has been.

That's probably worse than when the best you can hope for in life is to be an oaf.

I suppose he does get a strong sense of group inclusion, from his choice of peers: People who the best they can hope for in life is to be an oaf.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-19 11:38 PM | Reply

Should I be nicer? For sure.

But to even suggest the rape comment had merit is just absurd. And then to contort oneself repeatedly because you just can't stop digging?

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-20 12:24 AM | Reply

"One reason is when you don't even make a vaccine analogy:
"the comparison in this context was between circumcision and rape.""

I was comparing the validity of that analogy to one that someone else in this thread brought up. But you know that, and you're just trolling here.

"Did you only vote for Trump after someone called you Deplorable?"

I never voted for Trump. You know I've mentioned that numerous times, and you're just trolling here.

#56 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-20 08:05 AM | Reply

"You're such a moron you can't even realize the entire conversation is offensively stupid."

The idea of analyzing something you take for granted in a different way is what you're calling "stupid". It obviously makes you angry.

#57 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-20 08:18 AM | Reply

Making stupidity stacked on top of stupidity to soothe your faux victim complex sound noble doesn't change the fundamental nature of it.

And anger? Hardly. Unwilling to pull any punches for your woe is me, pseudo intellectual crap? Absolutely.

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-20 08:50 AM | Reply

I was trying to be kind to you, but you're actually much worse than a day drunk. You're just fundamentally a vile and hateful person.

#59 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-20 09:48 AM | Reply

Yawn.

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-20 10:08 AM | Reply

"Yawn."

Typical ---------------- dev response when confronted with something he knows is true but refuses to admit it, even to himself.

#61 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-20 10:45 AM | Reply

"It is less than those shunning the vaccine have stopped listening, it is who they have been and continue to listen to."

It's both. When people are shamed, they're not given a reason or incentive to listen to anyone else than they have been listening to. In fact, in many cases an association is formed in their minds between alternative viewpoints and the shaming experience.

#11 | Posted by sentinel

Ahh the old "if you talked nicer to fascist cult members they wouldnt obey their fascist cult" argument.

Shows how deluded you are about your own party.

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-20 12:34 PM | Reply

You're just fundamentally a vile and hateful person.

#59 | POSTED BY SSENTINEL

That's rich coming from the loser who hates black folks as much as he loves swastikas.

#63 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-09-20 12:54 PM | Reply

"Did you only vote for Trump after someone called you Deplorable?"

"I never voted for Trump."

So then you know people who only voted for Trump after someone called them Deplorable?
???

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-20 12:58 PM | Reply

Why are you pretending Trump only got elected because of the people who voted for him, as if the ones who were turned off by his main opponent and consequently didn't vote or voted third party were not a significant factor?

#65 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-20 01:30 PM | Reply

Why are you pretending Trump only got elected because of the people who voted for him, as if the ones who were turned off by his main opponent and consequently didn't vote or voted third party were not a significant factor?

#65 | Posted by sentinel

Trump got MORE votes after 4 years of corrupt, criminal, hateful, and treasonous behavior. That's not because joe biden turned people off more than hillary clinton did. It's because your cult loved his behavior even after he got a half million americans killed.

#66 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-20 02:12 PM | Reply

"Trump got MORE votes after 4 years of corrupt, criminal, hateful, and treasonous behavior. That's not because joe biden turned people off more than hillary clinton did. It's because your cult loved his behavior even after he got a half million americans killed."

Trump got elected because too many idiots in the Democratic party sound exactly like you.

If you look at electoral maps prior to 2016, there was a lot of blue up along the Canadian border in the rust belt states. 2016...not so much.

The dems chose to favor the causes of progressive urban activists over the blue collar middle class. And make no mistake, you can't choose both. Ans as a result, many of the blue collar middle class chose Trump.

Had he been a more likeable person, it would have been a landslide favoring Republicans. The progressives within the democratic party aren't so much popular as they are loud.

#67 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-09-20 03:02 PM | Reply

Had he been a more likeable person, it would have been a landslide favoring Republicans. The progressives within the democratic party aren't so much popular as they are loud.

#67 | Posted by madbomber

The difference being the progressive extremists aren't put in charge of their party. The republican cult ostracizes and destroys anyone who ISNT an extremist.

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-20 03:10 PM | Reply

"Had he been a more likeable person, it would have been a landslide favoring Republicans."
#67 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Disagree.
His noxious, selfish, crass, bullying, ignoramus behavior was a big draw for the base.

There are a lot of people who were lukewarm on politics who got pulled into the cult precisely because he wasn't a 'more likeable person'.

#69 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-09-20 03:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"His noxious, selfish, crass, bullying, ignoramus behavior was a big draw for the base."

The point is he got elected in 2016 in large part because of the campaign to shame people into voting for Mrs. Clinton, which backfired.

Hmm, maybe using the same tactics to try to get people to take the vaccine that failed when they were used to try to get them to vote for Hillary Clinton isn't such a good idea...

#70 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-20 05:27 PM | Reply

The point is he got elected in 2016 in large part because of the campaign to shame people into voting for Mrs. Clinton, which backfired.

Hmm, maybe using the same tactics to try to get people to take the vaccine that failed when they were used to try to get them to vote for Hillary Clinton isn't such a good idea...

#70 | Posted by sentinel

stop whining about people being mean to you. They give you the treatment that you earned.

Your climate change denying stupid cult elected a fascist con man who got a half million americans killed and then tried to end democracy. You don't get to cause that much damage and then say maybe you'll be more reasonable if people talk nicer to you.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-20 06:04 PM | Reply

#71 Kak dela? Kak zhivetsya na ferme trolley?

#72 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-20 06:16 PM | Reply

"There are a lot of people who were lukewarm on politics who got pulled into the cult precisely because he wasn't a 'more likeable person'."

Yep.

Among the many Trump 2020 signs I see around here, one is;

Trump 2020
No More --------

It's funny, since Trump is more full of ---- than most anybody, but Trump supporters really like his style of --------.

But that kind of messaging didn't exist before Trump.

He got a lot of first-time voters. As did Obama, and for the same reason: He's a populist.

Trump is basically the Right's Obama. And the opposite of Obama.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-20 06:26 PM | Reply

"Hmm, maybe using the same tactics"

You got any better ideas?

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-20 06:44 PM | Reply

#71 Kak dela? Kak zhivetsya na ferme trolley?

#72 | Posted by sentinel

Translation: "I got nuthin"

#75 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-20 07:13 PM | Reply

He got a lot of first-time voters. As did Obama, and for the same reason: He's a populist.

Trump is basically the Right's Obama. And the opposite of Obama.

#73 | Posted by snoofy

Lets be real - obama campaigned as a populist, but he didn't govern as one.

If he'd have cracked down on the bankers who had just crashed the economy and embraced OWS instead of crushing it, trump might never have been elected.

A lot of people were furious at wall street and elected obama to put them back in line. They felt betrayed when he didn't, and many were desperate to turn to a "real" outsider to shake things up even harder.

Democrats refusing to be populist allowed trump to gather all the voters who wanted a populist alternative.

(Of course trump then filled his white house with bankers and lobbyists, but his supporters were too isolated from reality to hear about that.)

#76 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-20 07:17 PM | Reply

Typical ---------------- dev response when confronted with something he knows is true but refuses to admit it, even to himself.

#61 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Let's see, what else have you said on this thread? Oh yeah...

The irony is this is actually a stronger analogy than the ones that have been touted here lately. Vaccination literally involves bodily penetration. Ridiculing or shaming people for feeling that coercion involving bodily penetration is a type of rape is both hypocritical and counterproductive

Yeah, because a rape analogy is much better than the rest. Sure.

Idiot.

#77 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-20 08:03 PM | Reply

@#70 ... The point is he got elected in 2016 in large part because of the campaign to shame people into voting for Mrs. Clinton, which backfired.

Hmm, maybe using the same tactics to try to get people to take the vaccine that failed when they were used to try to get them to vote for Hillary Clinton isn't such a good idea... ...

Oh... where to start...

.... the campaign to shame people into voting for Mrs. Clinton ...

Wow, that's the first I've heard of that reason why Ms Clinton lost. Shaming. Really?

Please give the reasons you think that is a correct assertion.

thx.

... Hmm, maybe using the same tactics to try to get people to take the vaccine that failed when they were used to try to get them to vote for Hillary Clinton isn't such a good idea.. ..

So you seem to base your opposition to keeping Americans healthier upon some weird political tactic that you've not yet substantiated?


#78 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-20 08:35 PM | Reply

Awesome rendition of this song...

Prince, Tom Petty, Steve Winwood, Jeff Lynne and others -- "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"
www.youtube.com

#79 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-20 08:46 PM | Reply

Translation: "I got nuthin"

*snort* As if you wrote anything expecting a serious response.

I have to give you credit. I believe that characters like you and Snoofy know that you're deliberately trolling are relishing in derailing the thread into ad hominem and non-sequiturs. As opposed to people like Johnny ------- Woman, who think they're actually being reasonable but aren't.

#80 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-20 10:57 PM | Reply

"your opposition to keeping Americans healthier"

Why are you misattributing this position to me?

Jerk.

#81 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-20 10:57 PM | Reply

I have to give you credit. I believe that characters like you and Snoofy know that you're deliberately trolling are relishing in derailing the thread into ad hominem and non-sequiturs. As opposed to people like Johnny ------- Woman, who think they're actually being reasonable but aren't.

#80 | Posted by sentinel

Keep crying.

You proposed the ridiculous argument that trump's cult would be reasonable if we were nicer to them. After your cult killed a half million americans and tried to end democracy.

We tried being nice to you even after you morons re elected bush. Trump was the final straw. Back to detention for you children.

#82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-21 11:49 AM | Reply

"trump's cult"

You're including all the people who voted for Johnson, Stein, McMullen, etc. as well as all the people who were so turned off they didn't vote in that election as a part of "trump's cult".

If you honestly believe that calling people "Bernie Bros" and "Deplorables" and implicitly attacking anyone leaning third party at the time played no significant role in tipping the scales away from your preferred candidate, then you're deluded.

#83 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-21 12:30 PM | Reply

If you honestly believe that calling people "Bernie Bros" and "Deplorables" and implicitly attacking anyone leaning third party at the time played no significant role in tipping the scales away from your preferred candidate, then you're deluded.

#83 | Posted by sentinel

There is no one who is refusing a vaccine because they were called a bernie bro.

Morons are refusing vaccines because their cult leader lost an election and so they want the whole country to suffer. They want to prevent the guy who beat their cult leader from being able to say he defeated the pandemic. Their cult leader killed a half million americans so they need the guy who beat him to have as high of a body count as possible.

Bernie bros aren't willing kill fellow americans out of spite. Only trump's cult is that evil.

#84 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-21 12:40 PM | Reply

Maybe you could make your argument about how people should be nicer to trump's cult over on this thread:

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#85 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-21 12:53 PM | Reply

"be nicer to trump's cult"

Again, you're conflating everyone who didn't vote for your preferred candidate in 2016 with "trump's cult", just like you're conflating everyone who has any hesitancy, concerns or even questions about big pharma's latest drug with "trump's cult". What you're doing is part of the problem that helped get Trump elected in 2016, which resulted in him being in the position he was when the pandemic hit. Likewise, you're undercutting the efforts of people engaging in legitimate vaccine education and outreach.

#86 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-21 01:10 PM | Reply

Again, you're conflating everyone who didn't vote for your preferred candidate in 2016 with "trump's cult", just like you're conflating everyone who has any hesitancy, concerns or even questions about big pharma's latest drug with "trump's cult". What you're doing is part of the problem that helped get Trump elected in 2016, which resulted in him being in the position he was when the pandemic hit. Likewise, you're undercutting the efforts of people engaging in legitimate vaccine education and outreach.

#86 | Posted by sentinel

Your point was being who wouldnt be shamed into voting for hillary wouldn't be shamed into getting vaccinated either.

But the pandemic isn't thriving in "independent minded" states like vermont or new hampshire. It's not swing voters who didn't like hillary who are ranting about bill gates putting microchips in vaccines. The covid map is the same as the electoral map. Deep red covid where there was deep red trump support. The covid map, the electoral map, and the map of national stupidity are all virtually the same.

#87 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-21 01:19 PM | Reply

*"people" not "being"

#88 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-21 01:39 PM | Reply

"Your point was being who wouldnt be shamed into voting for hillary wouldn't be shamed into getting vaccinated either."

No. You're the one claiming they're the same people. I'm saying the tactic is backfiring in the same way, regardless of how much the same people do or don't overlap. I can almost guarantee you that there are even Hillary voters who have concerns and hesitancy about the long term effects of drugs being pushed by big pharma, whether it's the newest vaccines or pills they're trying push on kids at younger and younger ages for things like ADD or restless leg syndrome or whathaveyou.

#89 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-21 01:41 PM | Reply

I can almost guarantee you that there are even Hillary voters who have concerns and hesitancy about the long term effects of drugs being pushed by big pharma, whether it's the newest vaccines or pills they're trying push on kids at younger and younger ages for things like ADD or restless leg syndrome or whathaveyou.

#89 | Posted by sentinel

Duh. There are people of all types who are vaccine hesitant. Just like anyone can catch AIDs. But everyone knows that certain groups are far more likely to catch AIDS than others.

The covid hotspot map is not a map of where vaccine hesitant hillary supporters live. It's a map of where stupid trump supporters live.

Furthermore vaccine hesitant hillary supporters are not the ones ripping masks off of strangers in public or going back to their truck to get a gun if the walmart greeter tells them to put on a mask. These are not people with whom being nice to them will get them to change. Their commitment to their cult is absolute and they're willing to kill their own families for it.

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-21 01:59 PM | Reply

"The covid hotspot map is not a map of where vaccine hesitant hillary supporters live. It's a map of where stupid trump supporters live."

Worth repeating.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-21 02:17 PM | Reply

So just because Trump and some of his supporters behave in a way that undermines public health, that makes it okay for you to behave in another way which also undermines public health. That's what you're telling me.

#92 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-21 04:03 PM | Reply

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