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Sunday, September 19, 2021

The first Black police chief in Waterloo, Iowa, is facing intense opposition from some current and former officers as he works with city leaders to reform the department, including the removal of its longtime insignia that resembles a Ku Klux Klan dragon.

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...Joel Fitzgerald says his 16-month tenure in Waterloo, a city of 67,000 with a history of racial divisions, is a "case study" for what Black police chiefs face as they seek to build community trust and hold officers to higher standards. In an interview with The Associated Press, he said the attacks were driven by misinformation and racism toward him and his boss, the city's first Black mayor.

"I don't think there's been any police chief in America in a small- or medium-sized department that have endured this for the reasons I have endured it and I think the reasons have to do with race," said Fitzgerald, who previously served as the chief of larger departments in Fort Worth, Texas and Allentown, Pennsylvania. "This is my fourth job being the first Black police chief. I've dealt with pushback in other places but never so overt. Never so nonfactual."...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-19 03:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's not hate, it's heritage!

Heritage that includes slave patrols and the KKK.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-19 06:01 PM | Reply

Police officers in this town are the biggest, whiniest, pathetic snow-flakes I have heard about. Wow.

#3 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-19 06:12 PM | Reply

Tell them get in line or resign. PD who have become to comfortable exhibit this behavior.

You could probably upgrade the PD with a mass resignation.

#4 | Posted by fresno500 at 2021-09-19 06:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's as if the police have a racist full-employment policy.

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-09-19 07:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A Klu Klux Klan dragon? I didn't know they even had such imagery.

There are of course experts on the klan.

Maybe some of them should be consult before the Insignia is altered.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-19 10:52 PM | Reply

Perhaps the sensitivities of black people should be reconsidered on the choice of an insignia. It's just a logo basically, retaining such a logo when the black population finds it reprehensible is sort of like insulting that segment of the population. No police force should ever do that unless they aren't really an impartial force for law enforcement.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-20 12:25 AM | Reply

If banning chokeholds and asking officers to intervene when they see excessive force is causing some to resign that's probably a good thing.
Removing the griffin insignia because some ignorant people think it has something to do with the klan is dumb.

#8 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-09-20 07:48 AM | Reply

is a "case study" for what Black police chiefs face

No, it's for what hefaces.

Alot of "Black" police chief's have no problem in the culture they are working in, most likely because they understand the community and they also understand the community isnt all black. The Chief is acting like blacks are the only ones he's protecting. Maybe he should concentrate on upholding the law instead of forcing "change".

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2021-09-20 10:28 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#9 ... The Chief is acting like blacks are the only ones he's protecting. ...

Not really.

To my eyes, he is acting like the entire community are the ones he is protecting, not any subset of the community. That is the way police should operate, Protect and Serve everyone.

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-20 10:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Wow Boaz, you sure do say the stupidest things. But I'm sure your way more in line with what black Police Chiefs face then someone who is an actual black police chief and probably communicates with others all across the country. But like a typical right-winger, you know more than the experts.

#11 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-09-20 01:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#6 | Posted by Tor

Google it. I did. "Grand Dragon" is a title it seems. There is an icon (doesn't much look like a dragon to me though).

#12 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-09-20 01:48 PM | Reply

#9 | Posted by boaz

Only his 4th time as the first black police chief in a community. I'm sure he's no expert on what that is like and means at this point and that you know and understand how it typically goes much better. Note - he is saying this is the EXCEPTION and his opinion is it is about race.

#13 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-09-20 01:52 PM | Reply

#12 | Posted by GalaxiePete

Just to add - that "dragon" icon sure does resemble the kkk one.

#14 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-09-20 01:53 PM | Reply

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Hart said Waterloo could have been a hotbed of racial unrest after George Floyd's death given its history, but Fitzgerald helped ease tensions the day before he was sworn on June 1, 2020, in by meeting with protesters for hours to hear their concerns.

"It was a resetting of the clock moment," Fitzgerald said.

Numerous changes soon followed: banning chokeholds, outlawing racial profiling, requiring officers to intervene if they see excessive force, and investigating all complaints of misconduct.


That and changing the department logo... So terrible. So demoralizing. I don't know how they will manage... (Sarcasm Off)

#15 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-09-20 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#13 ... Only his 4th time as the first black police chief in a community. ...

Mr Fitzgerald was quoted in the cited article (and in the sub-summary)...

..."This is my fourth job being the first Black police chief. I've dealt with pushback in other places but never so overt. Never so nonfactual."...


"nonfactual"


#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-20 02:08 PM | Reply

@#15 ... So terrible. So demoralizing ...

Sometimes the white-nationalism and white supremacy is so innate in the system than the action to remove it is seen in a bad light by some who prefer it to remain. They have become so accustomed to a bias in favor of whites that they complain about a bias in favor of blacks, when the reality is that the playing field is leveled and overall bias is reduced.

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-20 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" In heraldry, the griffin's amalgamation of lion and eagle gains in courage and boldness, and it is always drawn to powerful fierce monsters. It is used to denote strength and military courage and leadership."

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#18 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-09-20 02:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Numerous changes soon followed: banning chokeholds, outlawing racial profiling, requiring officers to intervene if they see excessive force, and investigating all complaints of misconduct."

^
Those things disproportionately affect blacks.

This is what Boaz means when he says "The New Sheriff Is Near!"

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-20 03:52 PM | Reply

I grew up with dragons and Griffins on posters in my room. Was I put in kkk symbols in my room?

#20 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-20 05:13 PM | Reply

@#20 ... I grew up with dragons and Griffins on posters in my room. Was I put in kkk symbols in my room? ...

How Pepe the Frog' went from harmless to hate symbol
www.latimes.com


#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-20 07:14 PM | Reply

I'm not going to let classic symbols be hijacked by a ridiculously small minority of idiots.

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-20 07:17 PM | Reply

@#22 ... I'm not going to let classic symbols be hijacked by a ridiculously small minority of idiots. ..

Regardless of your will, what you call a "ridiculously small minority of idiots" seems to have put a person in the Oval Office and still seems to have substantial political power in the Country.


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#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-20 07:43 PM | Reply

The Klu Klux Klan did not put Trump in the White House Russians did.

Should we remove their national colors from everything?

#24 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-20 07:44 PM | Reply

The Klu Klux Klan did not put Trump in the White House Russians did.

Americans voted to put Trump in the White House and the same Americans almost succeeded again in 2020

Don't ignore the festering, hateful, ignorant underbelly of America that Trump motivated and unified.

Russia helped spread misinformation and took advantage of the Orange fkkk.

But Americans are responsible for present day America.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-20 08:03 PM | Reply

Do I really need to point out that Hillary is a white woman and that Tim Kaine has about the skin tone and personality of a glass of milk?

It wasn't a race thing the Russians on the internet did a total mind job on stupid people.

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-20 08:08 PM | Reply

@#24 ... The Klu Klux Klan did not put Trump in the White House Russians did.

Should we remove their national colors from everything? ...

The Russians succeeded in their efforts because they got the white supremacists (among others) to vote for candidate Trump.

My view is that Pres Putin wanted candidate Trump in the Oval Office and Pres Putin used any means available to reach that goal.

And, no, we should not remove their national colors form anything. That is a Reductio Ad Absurdum argument (and you probably knew that when you posted it).

Removing symbols is quite different from removing colors.


#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-20 08:10 PM | Reply

How is it different?

#28 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-20 08:12 PM | Reply

Back when I lived and grew up in Nebraska,
we used to laugh and joke, and call Iowans
'Idiots Out Wandering Around'. And while I am not surprised at all to see that the moniker still fits, I get the distinct impression that most of the country is not laughing this time round. I know that I'm not...

Shame Iowa, shame. You should be bigger than this...

#29 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-09-20 08:24 PM | Reply

@#28 ... How is it different? ...

Colors vs colored shapes and pattens.

That is how it is different.

In the example of Pepe the Frog, it is the shape of the green coloring, the shape of the green frog, compared to a generic blob of green.

I'd say you would be quite able to distinguish Old Glory for other red, white and blue flags...

For example...

List of flags with blue, red, and white stripes
en.wikipedia.org



#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-20 08:26 PM | Reply

I'd say you would be quite able to distinguish Old Glory for other red, white and blue flags...

- should be -

I'd say you would be quite able to distinguish Old Glory from other red, white and blue flags...

my error.

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-20 08:28 PM | Reply

Am I to abandon my hawaiian shirt as well?

Can I no longer use a tiki torch for lighting when I'm hosting a party in my own back yard?

where does the list end when all we can wear is black and white and we can't move an inch?

#32 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-20 11:57 PM | Reply

where does the list end when all we can wear is black and white and we can't move an inch?

#32 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2021-09-20 11:57 PM | REPLY

There's no end in sight. The race baiters seem to be winning. There are so many people who view everything through the lens of race and manage to see racism in everything...even a griffin, a mythical creature that has stood for strength, courage and protection for thousands of years.

#33 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-09-21 10:04 AM | Reply

"A Klu Klux Klan dragon? I didn't know they even had such imagery"

You probably wouldn't, considering you have been spelling the group's name wrong for probably your whole life.

As someone who has lived in Baltimore, Maryland for the past 10 years, all I have to do is get in my truck and drive 90 minutes southwest in order to be in the heart of the most racist region of the USA. You see a lot of pictures and decals of griffins, snakes, dragons and other (as I call them, being Swiss,) reichsadlers. Not so many in Baltimore. That must mean those folks like to go to the petting zoo, engage in bird watching, and play Dungeons and Dragons.

Actually I like these symbols and think they should remain. They help me identify stupid people and ------ places to live and/or visit.

#34 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-09-21 11:10 AM | Reply

"There are so many people who view everything through the lens of race and manage to see racism in everything"

We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are (someone else said that, not me). If you haven't experienced racism, you probably won't be able to identify it unless someone points it out. This challenges people with inabilities to alter long-held viewpoints or beliefs-- it also challenges those who are stunted intellectually or who are brought up to not question their own understanding of reality.

#35 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-09-21 11:44 AM | Reply

Interesting I know people with bumper stickers like that and they go to Renaissance Fairs a lot and yes they also do play Dungeons & Dragons.

There's a much easier way to guess if somebody's a racist these days check their car for Trump logos.

#36 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-21 12:09 PM | Reply

The griffin is the symbol of The Philadelphia Museum of Art. Similarly, prior to the mid-1990s a griffin formed part of the logo of Midland Bank (now HSBC).

The griffin is used in the logo of United Paper Mills, Vauxhall Motors, and of Scania and its former partners Saab Group and Saab Automobile.

Griffins, like many other fictional creatures, frequently appear within works under the fantasy genre. Examples of fantasy-oriented franchises that feature griffins include Warhammer Fantasy Battle, Warcraft, Heroes of Might and Magic, the Griffon in Dungeons & Dragons, Ragnarok Online, Harry Potter, The Spiderwick Chronicles, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, and The Battle for Wesnoth.

Three gryphons form the crest of Trinity College, Oxford (founded 1555), originating from the family crest of founder Sir Thomas Pope. The college's debating society is known as the Gryphon, and the notes of its master emeritus show it to be one of the oldest debating ]

The official seal of Purdue University was adopted during the University's centennial in 1969.

The College of William and Mary in Virginia changed its mascot to the griffin in April 2010.[43][44] The griffin was chosen because it is the combination of the British lion and the American eagle.

The 367th Training Support Squadron's and 12th Combat Aviation Brigade feature griffins in their unit patches.

The emblem of the Greek 15th Infantry Division features an ax-wielding griffin on its unit patch.

The English independent school of Wycliffe College features a griffin on its school crest.

The mascot of St. Mary's College, one of the 16 colleges in Durham University, is a griffin.

The mascot of Glenview Senior Public School in Toronto is the gryphon, and the name is incorporated into its sporting teams.

The mascot of the L&N STEM Academy in Knoxville, Tennessee, a public science, technology, engineering and math high school serving grades 9"12, is the gryphon. The school opened in August 2011. The gryphon is also incorporated into the school's robotics team.

The mascot of Charles G. Fraser Junior Public School in Toronto is the griffin, and an illustration of a griffin forms the school's logo.

The mascot of Glebe Collegiate Institute in Ottawa is the gryphon, and the team name is the Glebe Gryphons.

The griffin is the official mascot of Chestnut Hill College and Gwynedd Mercy University, both in Pennsylvania.

Also, the griffin is the official mascot of Maria Clara High School, known as the Blue Griffins in PobCaRan cluster of Caloocan, Philippines, which excels in cheerleading.

The mascot of Leadership High School in San Francisco, CA was chosen by the student body by popular vote to be the griffin after the Golden Gate University Griffins, where they operated out of from 1997 to 2000.

Public organizations (non-educational)
A griffin appears in the official seal of the Municipality of Heraklion, Greece.

A griffin appears in the official seal of the Waterloo Police Department (Iowa).

#37 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-09-21 12:11 PM | Reply

In professional sports
The Grand Rapids Griffins professional ice hockey team of the American Hockey League.

Suwon Samsung Bluewings's mascot "Aguileon" is a griffin. The name "Aguileon" is a compound using two Spanish words; "aguila" meaning "eagle" and "leon" meaning "lion".

Amusement parks
Busch Gardens Williamsburg's highlight attraction is a dive coaster called the "Griffon", which opened in 2007.

In 2013, Cedar Point Amusement Park in Sandusky, Ohio opened the "GateKeeper" steel roller coaster, which features a griffin as its mascot.

In film and television

Company logo for Merv Griffin Entertainment, using a silver griffin statue
Film and television company Merv Griffin Entertainment uses a griffin for its production company. Merv Griffin Entertainment was founded by entrepreneur Merv Griffin and is based in Beverly Hills, California. His former company Merv Griffin Enterprises also used a griffin for its logo.

Griffins appear in The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, and The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian.

Saab Automobile previously used the griffin in their logo.

Information security firm Halock uses a griffin to represent protecting data and systems.

#38 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-09-21 12:12 PM | Reply

"Alot of "Black" police chief's have no problem in the culture they are working in"

Ok. How many? How do you know? Are you sure they aren't any having similar problems?

How many have you asked? Where is your data?

Once again boozo proves he is FOS.

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-21 12:28 PM | Reply

The griffin is the symbol of The Philadelphia Museum of Art, whom we all know has quite a checkered history with abusing and brutalizing people of color while supposedly upholding and enforcing the law.

#40 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-09-21 12:28 PM | Reply

#38 | POSTED BY SCOTTE

So it's deeply imbedded and fully institutionalized and systematic.

Thanks.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-21 12:29 PM | Reply

"The race baiters seem to be winning."

According to the headline, the racists are winning.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-21 12:32 PM | Reply

"After a messy process, the council voted 5-2 last week to order the department to remove the symbol from its uniforms by the end of September."

Is this a win for the race batters, ScottE?

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-21 12:34 PM | Reply

Is this a win for the race batters, ScottE?

#43 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-09-21 12:34 PM | REPLY

Yes. They convinced the council to get rid of an insignia based on the belief it is racist when it's no such thing.

#44 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-09-21 01:21 PM | Reply

So you're saying it can't possibly be inspired by the KKK?

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-21 01:37 PM | Reply

"They convinced the council to get rid of an insignia based on the belief it is racist when it's no such thing."

Basically I agree with this statement. Unfortunately, supremacists have co-opted these symbols to a ridiculous extent. Its unfortunate that Waterloo, Iowa was such a flashpoint for race-based violence up until the riots of the late 60s (around the time the insignia was created) or perhaps this wouldn't be happening. History has a long memory.

Look at how the MAGAts ruined the Gadsden flag.

The same thing happened in the middle east when ISIS co-opted the original design on the sealring of Muhammad for their flag-- which is nw a symbol of their atrocities.

And of course you have the Nazi swastika. Its everywhere in India and no one cares- but when it is used in conjunction with subtler dog whistles representing western, white supremacist beliefs, the point comes across loud and clear.

There are no winners and losers when it comes to racism.

#46 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-09-21 01:40 PM | Reply

"They convinced the council to get rid of an insignia based on the belief it is racist when it's no such thing."

What does it symbolize?

If you can't tell me what it means, then how can you tell me what it doesn't mean?

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-21 01:44 PM | Reply

"Waterloo, Iowa was such a flashpoint for race-based violence up until the riots of the late 60s (around the time the insignia was created)"

^
This strongly suggests racist origins, doesn't it, ScottE?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-21 01:45 PM | Reply

Snoofy, griffins pre-date Jesus by thousands of years and have been used by cultures around the world to symbolize strength, courage, and protection.

Why don't you show me where it's been used as a racist symbol?

#49 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-09-21 02:57 PM | Reply

"Why don't you show me where it's been used as a racist symbol?"

Here's a picture of the PD logo:

www.desmoinesregister.com

Here's a picture of a KKK postcard:

www.liveauctioneers.com

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-21 03:13 PM | Reply

And then there's the Harry Potter franchise with its Gryffindor and Slytherin symbols.

Other people I've learned the hard way you don't mess with Potterfiles LOL

#51 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-21 03:15 PM | Reply

Here's a picture of the PD logo:
Here's a picture of a KKK postcard:
#50 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Those look nearly identical.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-21 03:22 PM | Reply

griffins pre-date Jesus by thousands of years

Rainbows predate homosexuals by eons.

Yet. If you see one on a building, you know they're LGBT friendly.

Stop being obtuse.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-21 03:26 PM | Reply

Current and retired police officers " who feel law enforcement is under attack " came to the insignia's defense, including Travis Hoing, whose father, Michael, was wearing the griffin patch in 1981 when he was beaten and shot to death while on duty.

"My dad gave is life protecting each and every one of you. He did this knowing what could happen. ... Everyone who wears that patch is my family, and if you take that away you are taking my family's emblem away," Hoing said.

wcfcourier.com

You don't sense the tribalism here, ScottE?

You truly believe las enforcement is "under attack" because they are changing the logo?

Was it an attack on law enforcement when the logo got changed in 1964 too?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-21 03:32 PM | Reply

"If you see one on a building, you know they're LGBT friendly."

This is true, I have yet to meet a building that cares about gender identity or sex in general.

#55 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-21 03:45 PM | Reply

If only more conservatives were buildings.

#56 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-21 03:49 PM | Reply

I've even seen buildings that are anti-racist but I'm pretty sure you have to go to Canada to encounter those.

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#57 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-21 04:07 PM | Reply

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