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Monday, September 20, 2021

Not one of us in the expert in every field but I do exist people who have dedicated their professional careers in pursuit of knowledge on specific topics and they should not be ignored in favor of random people on the internet even if those random people agree with what you wish was true.

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Let me tell you a story about research:

In grad school I started googling the thing I was researching. Eventually I found a Word doc that seemed to hit a lot of the right notes. Sweet, I thought, this should get me going in the right direction.

It was the thesis of a previous grad student in the same lab working on the same species.

That was when it really struck home that when you do research, it means you're doing something nobody else has done before. You can't find it on the Internet because it doesn't exist yet.

Googling things isn't research.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-19 09:35 PM | Reply

Googling things isn't research.

It's known as "looking stuff up". If you do it right, you'll find what you wanted to find whether it's true or not.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-09-19 09:46 PM | Reply

I thought the first stage of research was looking into who had already done research and what their findings were.

Either way experts are who we should be listening to not people on the internet you don't know what the heck they're talking about.

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-19 09:57 PM | Reply

"I thought the first stage of research was looking into who had already done research and what their findings were."

Yes, and especially their methodology. Methods might be even more important than findings.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-19 10:01 PM | Reply

Every time I have to look at somebody's covid research part of my brain starts praying I'm not going to run into a self-selecting survey.

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-19 10:13 PM | Reply

You'd rest a whole lot easier if you just took the alternative facts route, believe you me.
~ Kellyanne Conway
Beholder of Marvels, Purveyor of Dreams

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-09-20 12:26 PM | Reply

It used to be that if you wanted to seek truth, acquire knowledge, and/or educate yourself, you had to exhaustively dedicate time and energy to that goal.

Abraham Lincoln walked nearly 10 miles through woods to go to school. Same distance back.

The internet has cheapened knowledge. It is quite simply a mouse-click away. You can be a homebound slovenly bum and quickly becomes a scholar in everything from ABBA to Zyzzyvas, all the while scratching your stinking ass.

But in the end, where does the mouse end up clicking? Does it land on a webpage full of research and facts, or on some click-bit looking to make $$$$ while pushing and disseminating a dubious set of claims?

Knowledge and truth works better when you come a great distance to knock on its door, not the other way around. It's no coincidence that many of the greatest scholars were also the greatest travelers.

#7 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-09-20 12:40 PM | Reply

The first response you'll get from sharing this with them is: "CNN? LOL!!!"

There is no reasoning with these people.

#8 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-09-20 01:29 PM | Reply

Knowledge isn't wisdom.

#9 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-09-20 01:37 PM | Reply

"Knowledge isn't wisdom

Wisdom is knowing when to use knowledge.

#10 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-09-20 01:45 PM | Reply

I tend to do research on the "experts" before I give credence to their whatever.

#11 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-09-20 01:55 PM | Reply

Every covid denying moron says "do your research".

"research" to them means listening to the podcast of a failed actor who gets hit in the head as a hobby.

Or watching the youtube video that plays right before the video that proves the earth is flat.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-20 02:15 PM | Reply

Every covid denying moron says "do your research". --- Speaks #12

And every Trump supporter was saying "read the transcript" but they hadn't done that either............. My MIL sent me a video of a some Tucker Carlson BS this weekend through FB messenger so I replied with Tucker saying he lies on air. She didnt say anything to that because it doesn't fit her narrative.

#13 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2021-09-20 02:31 PM | Reply

'Experts' are great - if they an be trusted. Unfortunately many work for government grants and feel compelled to ensure that their results give the govt what they want to hear to ensure ongoing grants.

#14 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-09-20 02:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Why would they do that?

#15 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-20 02:42 PM | Reply

'Experts' are great - if they an be trusted. Unfortunately many work for government grants and feel compelled to ensure that their results give the govt what they want to hear to ensure ongoing grants.

#14 | Posted by MSgt

If you're willing to lie for a living, exxon pays fraudulant scientists much better than the government does.

In fact that's where this whole "sew doubt in the experts" strategy came from. Oil companies realized the experts were saying their products were roasting their planet, so their strategy was to attack the experts and make it partisan. And it worked. The republican party took their side, spread their lies, attacked the experts, delayed climate action a few decades, and raised the temperature of the earth another few degrees.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-20 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common-- they don't alter their views to fit the facts-- they alter the facts to fit their views."

Doctor Who (1977)

#17 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-09-20 03:27 PM | Reply

"It was the thesis of a previous grad student in the same lab working on the same species."

A month in the lab saves you an hour in the library ;-)

#18 | Posted by dibblda at 2021-09-20 06:22 PM | Reply

"Unfortunately many work for government grants and feel compelled to ensure that their results give the govt what they want to hear to ensure ongoing grants."

Really? Do you have an example? How many grants have you applied for and obtained? Did your program manager demand you give him the results he wanted? Do you know what a program manager is?

#19 | Posted by dibblda at 2021-09-20 06:25 PM | Reply

Googling things isn't research.

#1 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-09-19 09:35 PM | FLAG:

Googling things is what you do after you already have your BS in comp sci. A split search is a split search, but with annoying tiny syntax differences for different languages.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-20 08:33 PM | Reply

Or as my boss likes to say "no need to reinvent the wheel".

#21 | Posted by horstngraben at 2021-09-20 09:56 PM | Reply

In fact that's where this whole "sew doubt in the experts" strategy came from. Oil companies realized the experts were saying their products were roasting their planet, so their strategy was to attack the experts and make it partisan. And it worked. The republican party took their side, spread their lies, attacked the experts, delayed climate action a few decades, and raised the temperature of the earth another few degrees.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-20 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yep. It's the old attack-the-messenger trick. Same thing they do with the media.

If you constantly tear down the people and organizations who collect information and impart facts for a living, then eventually nothing the world once accepted as truth is a given anymore. Soon the space once occupied by truth is empty, and lies quickly fill the void. That's why the right wing propaganda machine (Rupert Murdoch et al) spins its conspiracy tales so relentlessly. The facts don't even matter once you've convinced your followers that the sources are tainted.

#22 | Posted by cbob at 2021-09-20 09:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Google Scholar is comprehensive and up to date. I wish there was a viable, more open source, alternative, but nothing comes close.

Google Earth Engine (GEE, not Google Earth) is becoming state of the art in geographic information systems. Mostly because they've consolidated all the data, which is public, but can be accessed through their UI with short lines of code. Right now, nobody comes close.

My point is that Google is becoming a huge part of research, for better or worse.

But Snoody's point still stands in the (obvious) way that he meant it.

#23 | Posted by horstngraben at 2021-09-20 10:13 PM | Reply

Not often I agree with Snoofy, but here I obviously have to.

I will offer though that I fear the that the worst blow back of the Trumper science denial will be the reactive action to them. The over acceptance without question of science. The scientific method relies on a healthy dose of skepticism, questioning, retesting, re-evaluating. The climate now though seems to be accept without question, or you're a rabid trumper.

Also you have to immediately question any science brought forward by the media. It's amazing how a headline claims XYZ cures ABC, yet no where in the study is anything close to that claimed.


Tor... to this point...
'Experts' are great - if they an be trusted. Unfortunately many work for government grants and feel compelled to ensure that their results give the govt what they want to hear to ensure ongoing grants.

#14 | POSTED BY MSGT AT 2021-09-20 02:32 PM | FLAG:
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Why would they do that?

#15 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2021-09-20 02:42 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

I found this video on veritasium to be pretty interesting.
www.youtube.com

to look that video up I had to google, why most published research is wrong and there are plenty of articles to expand upon that video.

#24 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-09-21 09:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The problem is that the GQP has politicized who you believe as an expert. Scientists who have spent their lives dedicated to researching pandemics and public health supposedly have a political agenda because they disagree with your cult leader's insane advice of taking medications not made to fight a virus or of drinking bleach and sticking a UV light up your ------. Those voices must be shouted down,while charlatans like Scott Atlas advocate for herd immunity which would have killed millions of Americans, or the morons in white lab coats led by the crazy demon seed woman with zero credibility are hailed as "experts" because they agree with your cult leader and by extension they agree with the position of the GQP, Faux Spews squawking heads and the Reichwing sheep.

#25 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-09-21 11:07 AM | Reply

I read so many papers in the last few years. This XKCD covers it pretty well:

xkcd.com

#26 | Posted by DarkVader at 2021-09-22 12:27 PM | Reply

It is no surprise at all that Liberals are now clinging to an argument saying researching is bad. Since they can no longer blame Trump for the covid problem, they have to find some other way to blame anyone but themselves. It's their MO.

If the entire problem is that people don't know how to research, why aren't Liberals out there trying to teach people how to research? I do that in almost every post I make and, almost every time, Liberals just bash what I say because they don't agree with it or it doesn't fit their narrative. I've tried to get DR Libs to understand that you can't use one or two sources for all of your information but that doesn't stop almost every single one of you. So, in reality, this article is talking TO you guys, not for you guys. Take it to heart. You've already shown many times you can't research correctly because you just take a headline or conclusion from a biased source and claim it as fact. Most of you can't deny doing that day after day. If you do, you are a hypocrite. There is almost always more than one side of everything and you just cling to the side that fits what Dems agree with. That is bad research. This article indirectly proves it. And it directly calls out people just like DR Libs. But don't worry, it's not just you guys, Cons have their sites they do the exact same thing and listening to them is almost impossible to do without rolling your eyes. It's just a shame so many of you won't ever take the hint that this article is providing.

#27 | Posted by humtake at 2021-09-22 01:47 PM | Reply

"Since they can no longer blame Trump for the covid problem, they have to find some other way to blame anyone but themselves."

The problem is the unvaccinated, stupid.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-22 01:49 PM | Reply

"The problem is that the GQP has politicized who you believe as an expert. "

This is the type of rhetoric that makes it hard to believe there is any hope for this country. The blind hypocrisy is ridiculous. Even now, when Dems hold almost all of the power, all of the same problems that happen during Rep power are happening today and Dems don't acknowledge any of it. What you posted is a shame and you should be embarrassed. The country is never good when Dems are in power and it's never good when Reps are in power. But you continue to think that we live in some kind of utopia today because Dems are in power but are doing the exact same things as when Reps are in power.

#29 | Posted by humtake at 2021-09-22 01:50 PM | Reply

"The problem is the unvaccinated, stupid."

Is it? The numbers don't support that. If the problem is the unvaccinated, the numbers would look significantly different. Now, the unvaccinated are part of the problem, yes. But to be logical and correct, you have to accept that there are many parts that make up the problem and that each one requires different strategies for dealing with them. One of those strategies can't be "Well, the GOP is to blame for everything because they make things political". That's not a strategy, that's bias and spin.

#30 | Posted by humtake at 2021-09-22 01:52 PM | Reply

Here's a great example to help you understand, if you actually want to. If unvaccinated are the problem, that means illegal immigration is part of the problem. That cannot be denied unless you make the claim that all illegal immigrants are vaccinated. I can say with certainty that isn't true, and I can problem make the claim that most of them are not and be closer to the truth. So that means illegal immigration is a problem and since Dems are hiding the crisis and spinning it to not be a crisis at all, then Dems are partly to blame for the unvaccinated being a problem.

That's just one small logical example. How much that specific part of the problem can be blamed is unknown to me. But, it is something that should be in consideration. And you can't deny Dems are not taking the immigration crisis seriously, either, considering their response to a much smaller numbers meant a crisis during Trump's term but not during Biden's.

There is much more blame than just the GOP or the unvaccinated. The fact that anyone makes one simple claim to describe the entire problem actually hurts the cause much more than helps it.

#31 | Posted by humtake at 2021-09-22 01:57 PM | Reply

#30 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE A

Unvaccinated Republicans are the reason we haven't beaten the hell out of COVID.

For F--- Sakes, you need to see the hospital wards in my very Red Texas county.

Idiot.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2021-09-22 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#30 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

I'm being hit with REPUBLICANS complaining about microchips in vaccines again today.

Screw all of you.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2021-09-22 02:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here's a great example to help you understand, if you actually want to. If unvaccinated are the problem, that means illegal immigration is part of the problem.

#31 | Posted by humtake

here's a great example to help you understand: There are thousands times more unvaccinated trump supporters than there are unvaccinated illegal immigrants sneaking into the country.

You only focus on illegal immigrants because you need to find an excuse for red states obvious failure with covid, and you can't blame your cult leaders so you blame immigrants - the people you already blame for everything anyways.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-22 02:03 PM | Reply

"The problem is the unvaccinated, stupid."
"Is it? The numbers don't support that."

Yes they do.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-22 02:07 PM | Reply

"There is much more blame than just the GOP or the unvaccinated."

Not really.
Trump politicized the pandemic.
The GOP still hasn't gotten on board with mask mandates and vaccine mandates.

There's really not much more to it than that.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-22 02:10 PM | Reply

I'm hearing of local, Texas churches where half those attending have COVID. These aren't Democrats. These are largely superannuated Republican conservatives who are going to die squalid, painful deaths.

I think that the GOP has an easy time rationalizing the deaths of old people, even dependable Trump voters.

I'd like to think that watching young and adults and kids suffocate to death might provoke a change in attitude. But so far no one seems to care.

I think HUMTAKE needs to catch COVID, as a needed life lesson. Maybe a near-death experience will make him be somewhat less of an -------.

#37 | Posted by Zed at 2021-09-22 02:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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