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Wednesday, September 22, 2021

French President Emmanuel Macron will next week send his ambassador back to the United States after President Joe Biden agreed that consulting France before announcing a security pact with Australia could have prevented a diplomatic row, said Macron's office.

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...Macron and Biden had a phone call Wednesday in which the two leaders agreed to launch in-depth consultations to rebuild trust, Macron's Elysee Palace said in a statement.

The two leaders discussed "the implications" of the September 15 announcement of the trilateral defence announcement between Australia, the US and Britain, said a joint statement on the phone call.

They "agreed that the situation would have benefitted from open consultations among allies on matters of strategic interest to France and our European partners," said the statement.

"The two leaders have decided to open a process of in-depth consultations, aimed at creating the conditions for ensuring confidence and proposing concrete measures toward common objectives," the statement added.

Macron and Biden will meet in Europe at the end of October "in order to reach shared understandings and maintain momentum in this process"....


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-22 01:26 PM | Reply

But make no mistake, usa.got.the money and gone.

But hey, kissy face , we're sorry.

#2 | Posted by fresno500 at 2021-09-22 01:54 PM | Reply

This type of spin will likely fare well on the France home front as Macron gears up for their national elction in April 2022

#3 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-09-22 07:23 PM | Reply

@#3 ... fare well on the France home front ...

From the beginning I was seeing reporting that basically said that Pres Macron's actions were more for home-country consumption than anything else.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-22 07:35 PM | Reply

#4 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Definitely. When I read about how France's election season was approaching, it all made sense, and it was pretty savvy political posturing.

A little diplomatic saber rattling here, a dash of having the US come to France's table for vague agreement(s) to talk more in the future there, and positive PR for Macron looking out for France's domestic interests.

It's like something out of "how to win friends and influence people."

#5 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-09-22 07:39 PM | Reply

It is kind of embarrassing for nuclear powered France to be selling diesel submarines.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-22 11:05 PM | Reply

If you want to sell equipment to make war, it might help if you've got a track record of winning wars.

But then, is our track record much better than France?

#7 | Posted by horstngraben at 2021-09-22 11:31 PM | Reply

"If you want to sell equipment to make war, it might help if you've got a track record of winning wars."

No, not necessarily.

The US sells this crappy pseudo-food around the world via a chain called McDonald's. Would you call what they sell a winning hamburger?

Let the buyer decide.

#8 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-22 11:51 PM | Reply

"But then, is our track record much better than France?"

Well, let's see.

The French surrendered to the Germans. The Americans fought the Germans.

So yes, I'd say we are better.

Unless your standard is stinky cheeses, frog legs and snails, then France wins.

#9 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-23 12:05 AM | Reply

Why bother? This place is a -------- masquerading as a super-power.

#10 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2021-09-23 12:31 AM | Reply

Stay home and have some nice cheeses & wines and watch us collapse like Greece on steroids.

#11 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2021-09-23 12:32 AM | Reply

This place is a -------- masquerading as a super-power.
#10 | POSTED BY LOSTANGELES

The amount of privilege you possess to make such a statement on a platform such as this makes the statement fascinatingly ironic.

#12 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-23 12:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#12

Nice.

#13 | Posted by et_al at 2021-09-23 02:56 AM | Reply

If America is becoming a --------, it's only because
certain people's amongst us have made it that way.
Stop electing morons that care more about their own
personal fortune, rather than the fortunes of the people...

ALL of the countries peoples, not just the white rich ones...
then, we might get somewhere.

#14 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-09-23 05:47 AM | Reply

Op-Ed: Biden-France spat over sub deal gone bad isn't as simple as the French make it out to be
www.nbcnews.com

...It's wrong to say that the U.S. betrayed France, when France failed to deliver....

However, it is wrong for French officials to blame the United States for a betrayal because Washington furnished Australia with an alternate submarine sale option and to insinuate that the U.S. bears all responsibility for the French contract's demise. In fact, the program was poorly conceived, with both France's Naval Group and Australia's government failing to accurately calculate the costs and delays in their particularly unwieldy undertaking. Without the American option, Canberra may well have sought a cheaper deal for submarines with Germany or Japan.

Over the five years that Australia was engaged in buying the submarines from France, going so far as to sign a contract for purchasing them, the estimated total procurement cost had roughly doubled from $32-$36 billion to $65 billion, while the project suffered lengthy delays from relatively early on....

As delays and costs increased, the Naval Group submarine deal was becoming the worst of both worlds: It was more expensive than nuclear-powered submarines while lacking their premium capabilities, as well as the promising new technologies for non-nuclear submarines. And, despite lacking major new innovations, the first submarines would only enter service in 2034....


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-23 09:44 AM | Reply

But does it make it false?

#16 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2021-09-23 10:48 AM | Reply

To be fair, this was the ambassador to France...FRANCE.

France is the toilet of Europe in regards to racism and hatred.

#17 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2021-09-23 01:30 PM | Reply

This was always going to happen once the tantrum was thrown and over.

But hey, it gave the righties something else to bemoan as if it's worse than anything Trump did.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-23 01:59 PM | Reply

Australia choosing to buy cutting edge submarine tech is awesome. Closest signal of allyship in awhile, IMO. Even if they get some sort of export-only step down version, it will be an excellent capability in their inventory.

#19 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-09-23 02:41 PM | Reply

Weird that trump- art of the deal guy - was not able to close this deal.
Always
Be
Closing.

#20 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-09-23 02:42 PM | Reply

The purpose of nuclear powered submarines carrying nuclear missiles is world anhilationnearly undetectable. Several big nations are spending hundreds of billions on these nearly undetctable missile launch systems. I understand the basic principle of MAD but really buying billions of dollars worth of nuclear submarines is not going to help end this worldwide potential "end of life on Earth" strategy is not goint to have the desired affects.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-24 07:38 AM | Reply

These submarines are a great capability even if they do not carry nuclear missiles, namely for stealth patrols and collection on other underwater platforms. Subs can be more than payload delivery systems

#22 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-09-24 04:16 PM | Reply

#22 - fast attacks, yes. Boomers, no. Boomers have one purpose: WW3 in a can as Hippie from The Abyss put it.

#23 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-24 04:20 PM | Reply

#23 definitely. The JFK submarine came to mind under other purposes

#24 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-09-24 08:12 PM | Reply

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