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Thursday, September 23, 2021

US safety officials are asking Tesla to pump the brakes on its full self-driving (FSD) feature, which the company plans on releasing to a wider range of drivers in a matter of days.

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I doubt if this comes as a surprise to anyone. It's human nature to become less tuned in when someone or something else is doing part of our thinking for us.

#1 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-22 10:17 PM | Reply

@#1 ... I doubt if this comes as a surprise to anyone. ...

Agreed. As the article mentions...

...It's the latest in research that confirms what we all basically already knew. ...

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-23 10:15 AM | Reply

Drivers Become Inattentive' While Using AutoPilot

Excuse TF out of me, but ...

... isn't that the intent?

#3 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-23 10:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#3 ... ... isn't that the intent? ...

That's not the intent of Telsa's AutoPilot.

AutoPilot still requires driver engagement. It is not fully self-driving capable.

That's the problem here, the study showed that many drivers seem to treat it as if it were fully self-driving.


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-23 11:03 AM | Reply

" That's the problem here, the study showed that many drivers seem to treat it as if it were fully self-driving."

Isn't that how it's been sold? (I mean indirectly.)

When I think of auto-pilot, it's driving and I'm taking a nap in the back seat.

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-09-23 11:18 AM | Reply

@#5 ... Isn't that how it's been sold? (I mean indirectly.) ...

That is how I view it as being (indirectly) sold.

"AutoPilot" is, imho, a gross and dangerous misnomer.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-23 11:23 AM | Reply

Excuse TF out of me, but ...
... isn't that the intent?

#3 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2021-09-23 10:59 AM | FLAG:

That's the problem. No. As the operator of the vehicle your attention to its operation is required at all times. Serious question, what gave you the idea it was supposed to be? Youtubers sleeping in the back while driving? The hype around the brand? Owner word of mouth? The name "Autopilot"? Critics have gone after all of them. So far Teslas have hit a dozen stopped emergency vehicles and in every case were on Autopilot or Traffic Aware Cruise Control modes.

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-23 11:27 AM | Reply

It should be sold as a blow up figure named Otto.

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#8 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-23 11:29 AM | Reply

Ahh you answered. Yes that's the culture around it all, and it's not healthy. We've seen it it micro before in aircraft like the Icon A5. It was shown off as very sporty, but it's really overweight and underpowered for its class and you should absolutely not do what it does in the marketing. A lot of expert builders predicted a high crash rate and were proved right. They had 5 major accidents in just 2019 and they've only made 100 total.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-23 11:31 AM | Reply

#6 - exactly. "Driver assist" is more appropriate and as you imply, does not suggest fully automated control

#10 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-23 11:44 AM | Reply

Drivers Become Inattentive' While Using AutoPilot

Excuse TF out of me, but ...

... isn't that the intent?

#3 | Posted by Danforth

Exactly.

That's why you're not as tired at the end of a long road trip on autopilot.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-23 11:55 AM | Reply

Isn't that how it's been sold? (I mean indirectly.)

When I think of auto-pilot, it's driving and I'm taking a nap in the back seat.

#5 | Posted by Danforth

That's the only real problem - the name.

It should be called super duper cruise control.

But there's nothing wrong with paying a little less attention while using super duper cruise control - that's the whole point of it.

This article makes it sound like less attention = risking everyone's lives. But that's not true when you're paying less attention because advanced sensors are paying MORE attention.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-23 12:07 PM | Reply

YOU THINK!!!!!

OCU

#13 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-09-23 12:26 PM | Reply

Won't catch me in one of those driverless
vehicles for the same reason I won't be headed
to Mars in a Space X starship anytime soon...

Elon Musk views people as expendible.

People have died in his 'driverless vehicles'.
People WILL die on a rocket bound to Mars.

#14 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-09-23 12:51 PM | Reply

@#12 ... This article makes it sound like less attention ...

The problem is the ambiguity in the phrase "less attention."

What amount of attention should still directed towards driving? Eyes always on the road? Hands always on the steering wheel? etc...


... risking everyone's lives ...

Not everyone. Just those on the road in the vicinity of a Tesla with an inattentive driver.


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-23 12:51 PM | Reply

#15 - it is true that these gadgets invite attentionless drivers. As a minimum, drivers should have their hands on the wheel, feet near the pedals. This should go without saying.

But the other extreme is watching every dial and gauge which is unnecessary. Simple cruise control takes care of having to watch the speedometer. I see nothing wrong with that. But other than that, full attention should be assigned to the road.

A lost art of driving seems to be defensive driving. This was drilled into Driver's Ed students back when I took it 45 years ago. My observation is that the younger drivers don't practice it. I don't know if the Tesla does the equivalent, (I don't see how it could) but if it does, that would be a plus to the drivers who don't understand or practice defensive driving.

#16 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-23 12:57 PM | Reply

"Not everyone. Just those on the road in the vicinity of a Tesla with an inattentive driver."

I see what you did there.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-23 12:59 PM | Reply

#16 | POSTED BY JAKESTER AT 2021-09-23 12:57 PM | FLAG:

Making sure a driver is paying attention is relatively simple and implemented in commercially available Driver Monitoring software stacks. They use Driver Eye Tracking and remote sensor logging.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-23 01:36 PM | Reply

#18 - A good defensive driver is always looking as far ahead as he can see, e.g. on the interstate, several cars ahead. He'll also be looking at brake lights, not just the slowing of cars. Do the algorithms the Tesla uses do the same? I don't know. Just asking.

#19 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-23 01:41 PM | Reply

@#17 ... I see what you did there. ...

Yeah, I left out emergency first responders and their vehicles.

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-23 01:42 PM | Reply

I thought the entire point of autonomous vehicles was so that we could use the drive time for other activity or inactivity.

Otherwise, just let me drive.

#21 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-09-23 05:25 PM | Reply

Do the algorithms the Tesla uses do the same? I don't know. Just asking.

#19 | POSTED BY JAKESTER AT 2021-09-23 01:41 PM | FLAG:

They enabled it in April this year after rejecting it for at least half a decade. It's an okay system, certainly not infallible. Good luck when the driver is wearing sunglasses or have photochromatic eyeglasses.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-23 06:38 PM | Reply

I thought the entire point of autonomous vehicles was so that we could use the drive time for other activity or inactivity.
Otherwise, just let me drive.

#21 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2021-09-23 05:25 PM | FLAG:

It's not autonomous. It's a Driver Assistance feature.

The highest level FSD package, which is another buy-in beta program, is only level 2 autonomy and requires your attention at all times.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-09-23 06:39 PM | Reply

"People WILL die on a rocket bound to Mars."

How many humans died in the age of exploration or at anytime when facing the unknown?

Exploration and death are some of the foundations on what has made us the humans we are today.
All the way back to the first ---- Sapiens who walked on the Earth wondering what lay in the next valley or up that river.

#24 | Posted by randomcanyon at 2021-09-24 04:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#24 - 100%. Scaredy cats hold back the human race. Exploration, enrichment of knowledge, and advancement of the human race are not for the timid.

#25 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-24 04:14 PM | Reply

#24

Funny flag for bot deleting half of the Latin word for human

#26 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-09-24 10:28 PM | Reply

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