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Friday, September 24, 2021

At the height of the last Ice Age, generations of children and teenagers ambled barefoot along a muddy lakefront in what is now New Mexico, crossing paths with mammoths, giant ground sloths and an extinct canine species known as dire wolves.

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Told thee.

And I'll bet they where black.

#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-09-24 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Big Foot has to have come from somewhere.

#2 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-09-24 05:05 PM | Reply

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Bigfoot has black skin #2, but the expert on that got banned here. Didn't take something seriously....

#3 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-09-24 05:19 PM | Reply

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Bigfoot has black skin #2, but the expert on that got banned here. Didn't take something seriously....

#3 | Posted by HeliumRat

How typical that a trump supporter would be a bigfoot believer.

#4 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-24 06:02 PM | Reply

Hrat has a WSJ subscription? Why am I not surprised?

news.yahoo.com

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2021-09-24 06:30 PM | Reply

#4 It's Hair, not Foot. That's Boaz.

#6 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-09-24 07:00 PM | Reply

Looks like an interesting article, but...

...paywall

#7 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-24 07:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

White sands contains the passed and future of America.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-24 08:29 PM | Reply

Stormy Love, NM ... the future of water :
www.youtube.com

#9 | Posted by LesWit at 2021-09-24 09:09 PM | Reply

"...paywall"

There are extensions to bypass that.

#10 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-24 09:37 PM | Reply

I was listening to a segment on NPR about how aboriginal Americans hunted mammoths and probably caused them to become extinct before Europeans arrived. They were not the "noble savages" that some people paint them as.

#11 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-24 09:39 PM | Reply

They were not the "noble savages" that some people paint them as.

#11 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Some were more "noble" than others. Much like today.

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-24 10:04 PM | Reply

"A new discovery reveals humans were living in the American Southwest alongside dire wolves and mammoths, far earlier than scientists thought"

And I bet Ancient Astronaut believers have a theory about that.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-24 10:07 PM | Reply

Plee-ease, don't murder me.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-24 10:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#11 Odd. Hunting mammoths is exactly what I would expect a noble savage to do.

#15 | Posted by bored at 2021-09-24 10:55 PM | Reply

#14 nice dead reference

#16 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-09-24 11:05 PM | Reply

"Aliens!"

#17 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-09-24 11:32 PM | Reply

#15 the myth that is they were more respectful of and in harmony with nature and the environment. Driving another species into extinction disrupts that narrative.

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-25 06:44 AM | Reply

#18 So you are claiming that first nations were not 'more respectful' of and in harmony with nature and the environment?
Did they eradicate the buffalo? Cause the dust bowl? Spray poisons that drove birds of prey near extinction? Cause algae blooms?

Your racism is showing.

#19 | Posted by bored at 2021-09-25 10:53 AM | Reply

"#15 the myth that is they were more respectful of and in harmony with nature and the environment. Driving another species into extinction disrupts that narrative."

You must be trolling.

How many did they extinct, and how many did we extinct?

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-25 11:21 AM | Reply

You guys are buying into the noble savage myth and accusing me of racism/trolling for saying they were just as human as the rest of us. Comparing raw numbers is pointless when environmental damage is a function of technology.

#21 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-25 12:05 PM | Reply

New evidence gathered from sediments along the Delaware River in Pennsylvania is drastically revising theories about land use by Native Americans and the impact they once had on their environment. The new research reveals that from the period between 1100-1600 small agricultural settlements up and down the Delaware River Valley caused a 50-percent increase in sediment runoff into the Delaware River. This was done primarily by burn-clearing of as much as half of the forest-cover along the Delaware's banks.

insider.si.edu

Doesn't sound like they were any more mindful of the environment than people today.

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-09-25 12:07 PM | Reply

Doesn't sound like they were any more mindful of the environment than people today.

#22 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

What is your point ?

Some were some weren't. Just like today. And it depends on the time period involved. For a long time Man had no impact on the world around him and lived within the means of the world. That gradually changed over time as we separated into hunters and gatherers and started to leave our marks on the world and exploit natural resources. Agriculture changed the world. Before that it was very difficult for man to affect nature. There just were not enough humans and they were constantly on the move.

There were takers and leavers. Just like today. But you are right about one thing. We haven't changed much for thousands of years.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-25 01:59 PM | Reply

Changing climate conditions waxed the megafauna. No way was there enough people in 20,000 BC - so it's not like we ate all the dire wolves. Giant sloths I can see... that's just made to be eaten. Throw spears at it. What's it going to do, chase you? It's a giant sloth.

#24 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-09-25 05:55 PM | Reply

"accusing me of racism/trolling for saying they were just as human as the rest of us."

And how human are the rest of us?
Did the rest of us deliberately slaughter the buffalo in order to starve out the Native Americans?

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-25 08:39 PM | Reply

#25 Nol, that was Andrew Jackson, and that's not why we slaughtered them. Think rail-road magnates and 99 other reasons. We kept all our Indian treaties before him, you Frankfurt School monster. Read a history book not written by communists.

#26 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-09-25 09:04 PM | Reply

...paywall
#7 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

Did you try the "Listen to the Article" feature?

#27 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-25 09:13 PM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Nice singular data point.

LOL

#28 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-09-25 09:16 PM | Reply

"Doesn't sound like they were any more mindful of the environment than people today."

Yeah I'm always seeing those plastic shopping bags and beer cans the Indians left behind.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-25 09:31 PM | Reply

"that was Andrew Jackson"

That went on for a century.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-25 09:31 PM | Reply

#39 No it didn't, liar. The 1950's was Americas' Golden Age if you lived in the Union states (like all slave states such as Central and South America, the Confederacy never developed a middle class).

We know why you need to destroy it.

#31 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-09-25 09:56 PM | Reply

11.5 million slaves in the Atlantic Slave trade. 450,000 to America (the South), 25,700 to Canada, 250,000 to Mexico, 4 million to Argentina, 2 million to Brazil, 2 million to the Caribbean, and the rest scattered to every country but Uruguay (morally opposed).

Only Uruguay and the Union states became modern nations. One free man is worth ten slaves - that's an ancient Roman proverb. So why do you want to go back to it? You where paid?

#32 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-09-25 10:01 PM | Reply

#39 No it didn't, liar. The 1950's was Americas' Golden Age if you lived in the Union states (like all slave states such as Central and South America, the Confederacy never developed a middle class).

We know why you need to destroy it.

#31 | Posted by HeliumRat

"whites only" signs on drinking fountains was our "golden age?"

Maybe for the klan.

Are you in the klan?

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-25 10:03 PM | Reply

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

I will say this slowly for you, so that you can understand, because I realize now that you are on the spectrum. This is my quote, in context: "The 1950's was Americas' Golden Age if you lived in the Union states"

Do you know what means, history genius?

#34 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-09-25 10:15 PM | Reply

Hint: Jim Crow was in the South only. And the South was poor because of slavery. Only the 2% (the crackers) had any money.

#35 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-09-25 10:18 PM | Reply

"The 1950's was Americas' Golden Age if you lived in the Union states"

Don't want to have to contradict a stable history genius but ...

" Jim Crow did not originate in the South. What most of us don't know " what I didn't know until I began researching my new book, Separate: The Story of Plessy v. Ferguson, and America's Journey from Slavery to Segregation " is that the impetus for separating the races was a Northern one. The first reference to a "Jim Crow car" that I could find in a newspaper, aided by the 21st-century power of digitized databases? The Salem Gazette, Oct. 12, 1838, less than six weeks after the new Eastern Rail Road opened for business on thirteen-and-a-half miles of freshly-laid track from East Boston to Salem, Mass."

"Separation " the word universally used in the 19th century " had no place in the South before the Civil War. Slavery required close contact, coercion and intimacy in order to survive and dominate. It was the free but conflicted North that gave birth to separation, in different places and different forms, at the dawn of the railroad age in the late 1830s."

Jim Crow was not only in the southern and border states. It actually originated in the North.

time.com

But do carry on with the lie of the day.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-26 12:05 PM | Reply

I will say this slowly for you, so that you can understand, because I realize now that you are on the spectrum. This is my quote, in context: "The 1950's was Americas' Golden Age if you lived in the Union states"

Do you know what means, history genius?

#34 | Posted by HeliumRat

Oh so if you ignore the biggest problem then there were no problems. Great "logic" professor.

That's like saying 2001 was a great year for america if you ignore 9/11.

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-26 02:06 PM | Reply

#36 | Posted by donnerboy

I have never heard of a segregated facility in the North. I've seen that stuff in the South as a kid. When you crossed the Mason-Dixon line, the conductor stopped the train and said "All you Negroes got to go to the Jim Crow cars now".

I hate to call you an idiot, because you just called yourself one donnerboy. Don't post woke --------. History happened.

#38 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-09-26 06:36 PM | Reply

The second Great Negro Migration, I think it was called. The first was during slavery with the Underground Railroad and stuff, but the second was during Jim Crow - I think it started in the 1920's, look it up. So yeah, if you're Black up North in the '50's, you had it great. Family values, low crime, culture, jobs, all the Stuff.

Then came the Moynehan Plan, and it was over. But that was Dixiecrat, and nobody saw it coming. Word.

#39 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-09-26 10:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Hint: Jim Crow was in the South only"

You Lie.
Alphabetical Map of Sundown Towns by State
justice.tougaloo.edu

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-26 10:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I have never heard of..."

#38 | Posted by HeliumRat

Well then that proves it didn't exist. Rather than proving you're ignorant but think you know everything.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-27 12:24 PM | Reply

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