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Friday, September 24, 2021

Robert A. Pape: For months, my colleagues and I at the University of Chicago Project on Security and Threats have been tracking insurrectionist sentiments in U.S. adults, most recently in surveys in June. We have found that 47 million American adults - nearly 1 in 5 - agree with the statement that "the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump and Joe Biden is an illegitimate president." Of those, 21 million also agree that "use of force is justified to restore Donald J. Trump to the presidency."

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Our survey found that many of these 21 million people with insurrectionist sentiments have the capacity for violent mobilization. At least 7 million of them already own a gun, and at least 3 million have served in the U.S. military and so have lethal skills. Of those 21 million, 6 million said they supported right-wing militias and extremist groups, and 1 million said they are themselves or personally know a member of such a group, including the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys.

Only a small percentage of people who hold extremist views ever actually commit acts of violence, but our findings reveal how many Americans hold views that could turn them toward insurrection.

No one should delude themselves into believing that Trump himself will defuse these people from their traitorous false beliefs.

Trump, Trumpism and the insurrectionist fervor bubbling just below the surface all over America is not something to be ignored. Anyone thinking that the Cyber Ninja's Arizona findings will lower the temperature of these peoples' violent tendencies and feelings of personal grievance simply are ignoring reality.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-24 11:42 AM | Reply

Good. The target practice on these morons will be fun.

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-09-24 01:23 PM | Reply

"Deplorables" doesn't even begin to describe them.

#3 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2021-09-24 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Go for it.

Being lighter this 21 million would make things run waaaaay smoother.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2021-09-24 01:41 PM | Reply

Has anyone tried telling him that fascism is really gay?

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2021-09-24 01:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

So, those 21 million will shut up when they are dead. I wouldn't kill them if they are peaceful protesters but if they want armed insurrection shoot them down like dogs. The IQ of the average American would rise by several points.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-24 01:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, those 21 million will shut up when they are dead. I wouldn't kill them if they are peaceful protesters but if they want armed insurrection shoot them down like dogs. The IQ of the average American would rise by several points.

#6 | POSTED BY DANNI

Tough talk! Are you prepared to fight them?

Most of the liberals I know don't even own a gun, much less how to use it.

#7 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-09-24 02:30 PM | Reply

"Most of the liberals I know don't even own a gun, much less how to use it."

You're right, I don't personally have one, never even fired one but I come from a very large family who virtually all own guns and practice with them regularly. No, I probably won't be on the front lines of any such war but I promise you I will be in the support troops unless they deterimine I'm just too old. I will guarantee you though that my family will be well represented in combatting any insurrection.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-24 02:53 PM | Reply

I will guarantee you though that my family will be well represented in combatting any insurrection.

#8 | POSTED BY DANNI

As you've already spoken about them elsewhere, at least some of your family is likely to be on the side OF the insurrection.

#9 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-09-24 02:56 PM | Reply

So 20% of American adults are MAGAt morons and 10% are traitors.

No surprises really.

#10 | Posted by censored at 2021-09-24 03:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How many kids believe in santa? How many adults believe in a ripped-off story about a messiah? Humans need delusions otherwise the world would be too scary.

#11 | Posted by Brennnn at 2021-09-24 03:44 PM | Reply

The party of personal responsibility and law and order.
The party of "patriots flag wavers and Jesus"
The protectors of the Constitution.

Let's overthrow an election because our guy lost biggly...

Just a little bit of treason is OK if it is for your cult leader. Just the tip.

#12 | Posted by randomcanyon at 2021-09-24 03:54 PM | Reply

These are 21 million people who definitely have no use for democracy, the will of the People, the Constitution, nor this country.

Which is the power of a cult of personality.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2021-09-24 04:28 PM | Reply

I'm with Danni... if Trumpers take over... I would be dedicated to fighting them.... and guns are only one way to cause harm.
No way I am going to be a willing citizen of fascist America.. even death sounds better than that to me... and I've been non-violent my entire life.

#14 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2021-09-24 04:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#11 - the weak minded find comfort in believing an invisible sky fairy will take care of them even while living in a world said invisible sky fairy has let go to ----, allow its people to suffer, and instill fear in them with threats of eternal damnation if they don't grovel at his invisible feet.

I don't get it. But I am able to reason and utilize logic unlike the religious sheep.

#15 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-24 04:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"I promise you I will be in the support troops unless they deterimine I'm just too old."

You're never too olld Danni. If you truly support the troops, invite young single servicemen over who can't go home for Thanksgiving. Bake them some goodies and mail to them. Write them letters telling them how much you appreciate them. Volunteer to talk to them at the VA hospitals. Organize letter writing campaigns for the troops over seas. Send them Christmas cards.

You said you "will be in the support troops". Why aren't you now?

#16 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-24 05:02 PM | Reply

The Venn diagram showing these 21MM and unvaccinated folks will probably merge at 100% overlap. So, it may be 21MM angry folks now, but come, oh, Thanksgiving, that fighting force could be down to about 376 people. Just as the Viet Cong played the long game in 'Nam, so will sane liberal Americans. But in this case, long will not be so long a time...

#17 | Posted by catdog at 2021-09-24 05:09 PM | Reply

If you are serious about avoiding insurrection, don't stuff ballot the boxes.

#18 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-09-24 05:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Almost all of the ones I know do. You would be surprised.

#19 | Posted by DMTDust at 2021-09-24 05:35 PM | Reply

- I am able to reason and utilize logic

Not noticeably in the majority of your posts.

- don't stuff ballot the boxes.

That never happened, as 60+ Courts, the AG, the DOJ, and the DHS confirmed publicly, Trump only told you it did, and you'll believe anything he says.

Even your Orange Ninjas came up with Biden win.

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2021-09-24 05:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If you are serious about avoiding insurrection, don't stuff ballot the boxes.

#18 | POSTED BY VISITOR

If you're serious in stating this, you're just a damned traitor and damned liar.

You and your friends are bound and determined to kill someone. But then of course, you already have.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2021-09-24 05:57 PM | Reply

P.S. Danni, if you were serious about supportjng the troops, you would be handing out tug jobs down at your local American Legion post.

Anything less makes you a commie!

Signed,
"Jakester"

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-24 06:02 PM | Reply

"Not in the majority of your posts."

Clever. I was wondering who would be the first to dishonestly take my quote out of context and make that moronic statment.

"Trump only told you it did, and you'll believe anything he says."

*yawn*

How old are you anyway, corky? That sounds like something a child would say.

#23 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-24 06:04 PM | Reply

- dishonestly take my quote out of context

We could take a vote....

- "Trump only told you

So, you know that poster better than we do? Interesting... ok, not really.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2021-09-24 06:35 PM | Reply

If you are serious about avoiding insurrection, don't stuff ballot the boxes.

#18 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2021-09-24 05:27 PM | REPLY | FUNNY: 1

As usual, this poster spews some of the stupidest takes on the board. In this case it's pure projection. Almost every case of election and voter fraud charged from the 2020 election were MAGAts, including the guy who murdered his wife, then cast her vote for Dotard. The fact is that the GQP is the primary violator of election security, and the greatest purveyors of election and voter fraud. In almost every case, that one or two fraudulent votes did not and could not swing an election. The one exception was McCray Dowless in Bladen Co, NC whose fraud swung an election, and got him convicted of a felony.

#25 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-09-24 07:05 PM | Reply

"We could take a vote...."

Go ahead. Regardless the outcome, you childishly took my quote out of context. I guess as a progressive, you hop to modify well documented history.

Vote away, corky. I vote for the truth which is that you took my quote out of context.

What is your vote? Did you, or didn't you?

Again, how old are you?

#26 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-24 07:18 PM | Reply

If you are serious about avoiding insurrection, don't stuff ballot the boxes.

#18 | Posted by visitor_

You morons tried and failed at an insurrection even when non one stuffed any ballot boxes.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-24 07:31 PM | Reply

That sounds like something a child would say.

#23 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

Is that like man boy Trump telling Pense to block certification or he won't be his friend anymore?

Now that's what a child would say

#28 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2021-09-24 08:02 PM | Reply

"Is that like man boy Trump telling Pense to block certification or he won't be his friend anymore?"

Yes, I would say that is equally childish.

#29 | Posted by jakester at 2021-09-24 08:05 PM | Reply

Yes, I would say that is equally childish.

#29 | Posted by jakester

Yeah. Gotta be EQUAL. Because there's no way you could admit republicans are WORSE on anything.

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-24 08:20 PM | Reply

don't stuff ballot the boxes.

#18 | POSTED BY VISITARD_

If we could just get rid of them stupid ballots we wouldn't need no transition of power. We could have Trumpy and qtards forever!

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-25 12:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If only they had the power of the state to knee-cap the Biden administration as we saw during the Trump years.

Make no mistake - these people, to the extent that this "survey" is accurate, are stupid morons. They are also cowards who will never actually take any kind of measures.

#32 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-25 02:56 AM | Reply

Again, how old are you?

#26 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

AD HOMINEM - LOGIC FAIL

#33 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-09-25 10:20 AM | Reply

King Trump.

Yet another reason for me to never go back to the US.

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-09-25 12:06 PM | Reply

"I'm with Danni... if Trumpers take over... I would be dedicated to fighting them.... and guns are only one way to cause harm."

You wouldn't need to fight anyone. That's not your job. And you've taken no obligation to do that.

But, about 2.1 million uniformed service members do have that obligation.

And the Trump Army isn't that formidable.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-09-25 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

21 million targets to choose from.

A Marine's wet dream.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-25 01:10 PM | Reply

Make no mistake - these people, to the extent that this "survey" is accurate, are stupid morons. They are also cowards who will never actually take any kind of measures.

#32 | Posted by BellRinger

So what does it tell you that you support the same candidates and agenda as people you admit are "stupid morons"?

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-25 01:31 PM | Reply

But, about 2.1 million uniformed service members do have that obligation.

And the Trump Army isn't that formidable.

#35 | Posted by madbomber

A bunch of military and law enforcement would fight for trump's confederacy. So would border agents.

They're already angry liberals aren't letting them beat up and kill brown people anymore. When time comes to pick sides, they'll pick white supremacist facism over american democracy.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-25 01:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"A bunch of military and law enforcement would fight for trump's confederacy. So would border agents."

Sure.

Robert E. Lee chose to fight for the confederacy.

No doubt that there would be US service members who would throw their support behind Trump.

But they're not the majority.

Think about this. Was Mattis pro-Trump?

How about McRaven?

McRaven was the former JSOC commander. As was Votel, whom Trump ---- on in 2018 when he announced via tweet that the US was going to withdraw from Syria.

Votel has not been vocal about his support. McRaven has been vocal in his opposition to Trump.

And make no mistake, if you don't have JSOC on your side, you're going to lose. And I don't really see a situation where JSOC (or USSOCOM, or STRATCOM, or any other) goes in favor of a NY socialite reality TV star.

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-09-25 03:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

But this is all grown-up stuff that is way over your head...so I apologize in advance.

It's not like you could do anything about it anyways....

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-09-25 03:15 PM | Reply

It's not like you could do anything about it anyways....

#40 | Posted by madbomber

Oh I'll be happy to shoot democracy destroying fascist confederates in the head if they threaten my life in any way.

you're lucky to live in a country that already learned the lesson about where fascist populism leads.

American conservatives are too stupid to learn from historical lessons. They have to get covid to believe in covid. They have to have a gay child to believe it's not a choice. They have to lose their home to believe in climate change. And they'll have to experience fascist tyranny to see the problem with it.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-25 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Think about this. Was Mattis pro-Trump?

How about McRaven?

#39 | Posted by madbomber

Smart guys rise to the top of the military. Smart guys don't fall for trump's fascist con.

But the military is not full of intelligent generals. It's mostly full of dumb losers who had no other options in life. Those are prime candidates to join trump's confederacy.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-25 03:56 PM | Reply

First of all, out of these 21 supposed million,
I would be shocked if even 4 million of them can get off the couch or out of the bar long enough to mount any kind of 'whatever it is they are trying to mount'...

So at worst 21 million vs. what? the 330 other million of us? And more likely 4 mil vs 330 mil? I like those odds.

Again... I have no idea why the U.S. Govy hasn't yet declared these 'clandestine groups' (i.e. militas) terrorist groups yet (those that have shown violent secessionist tendancies). Once declared terrorist cells, a whole wider array if 'responses' then becomes legally available to law and government response teams.

#43 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-09-25 10:57 PM | Reply

Most of the liberals I know don't even own a gun, much less how to use it.

#7 | Posted by Whatsleft

Well THIS liberal has a fairly well stocked gun safe, with both rifles (three, one of which is technically an assault rifle) and shotguns (two), and across the various calipers/gauges, several thousand rounds of ammo. And having served in the US Army, I know how to use these weapons.

OCU

#44 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-09-26 01:10 AM | Reply

I have no idea why the U.S. Govy hasn't yet declared these 'clandestine groups' (i.e. militas) terrorist groups yet (those that have shown violent secessionist tendancies).

#43 | Posted by earthmuse

Unfortunately, there are no laws on the books which makes any of these groups 'domestic terrorists', because there are no laws that even define what constitutes 'domestic terrorism'. Only individuals which are associated with some outside, i.e. foreign, group who has indicated that they wish to do harm to the United States or it's citizens, can be considered terrorists. If it's a domestic group, even if they intend to do harm to the nation and Americans, they're subject to the same laws that any other criminal would be, with the same limitations and restrictions on investigating them as would apply to any American who has not yet committed a crime. We have to wait until they commit an actual crime, then they can be dealt with, but up until that moment, they're just Americans exercising their 1st Amendment rights.

OCU

#45 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-09-26 01:25 AM | Reply

#45 Yes - well said.

#46 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-26 01:44 AM | Reply

Well 8% of America is Woke. so that's a weird coincidence that we have two equally numbered insane groups. But sort of understandable, really.

No blame.

#47 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-09-26 02:12 AM | Reply

United States population: 328.2 million (2019)

21 million = 15%

Good luck.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-09-26 04:04 AM | Reply

"Oh I'll be happy to shoot democracy destroying fascist confederates in the head if they threaten my life in any way."

Let me stop you right there champ.

You may be willing to pull the trigger on some idiot that's already been rolled up by pipe-hitters...but that's it.

And that's ignoring the fact that you're really no better than the Trumpers yourself.

#49 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-09-26 10:24 AM | Reply

"21 million = 15% Good luck."

It only took the 10% of Russians that were dedicated socialists, and a much greater number of indifferent citizens, to enable the Soviets to take control of Russia.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-09-26 10:27 AM | Reply

#50 Your analysis seems to be overlooking the Second Amendment and how it is mythologically necessary for the security of a free state.

Or is that because the 10% taking over is also the most heavily armed?

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-26 10:29 AM | Reply

Just a little bit of treason is OK if it is for your cult leader. Just the tip.

#12 | Posted by randomcanyon at 2021-09-24 03:54 PM

Do some reading...Article 56 of the UCMJ (see also US Code--www.law.cornell.edu} says "any penetration, no matter how slight...or something.

#52 | Posted by john47 at 2021-09-26 10:44 AM | Reply

"Or is that because the 10% taking over is also the most heavily armed?"

If that's the case, it's because the remaining 90% didn't think it important enough to look after their own freedom.

If you choose to not to arm yourself...it's your choice.

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-09-26 10:54 AM | Reply

We have to wait until they commit an actual crime, then they can be dealt with, but up until that moment, they're just Americans exercising their 1st Amendment rights.

OCU

#45 | Posted by OCUser

We didn't do that with muslim terrorists. We just waited for a sign that they MIGHT do something and arrested them and shipped them to gitmo.

Do you need a bigger sign than 1/6?

Howbout the oklahoma city bombing?

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-26 01:54 PM | Reply

It only took the 10% of Russians that were dedicated socialists, and a much greater number of indifferent citizens, to enable the Soviets to take control of Russia.

#50 | Posted by madbomber

And it only took 80 percent of the republican party, or about 25% of americans, to allow fascists to take control of america.

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-26 01:55 PM | Reply

We didn't do that with muslim terrorists. We just waited for a sign that they MIGHT do something and arrested them and shipped them to gitmo.

Do you need a bigger sign than 1/6?

Howbout the oklahoma city bombing?

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

That's the point I was trying to make. If the person advocating the overthrow of the government is a foreigner, then there are laws on the books to classify them as 'foreign terrorists' and we can round them up BEFORE they harm anyone. But if it's an American, there are no laws that actually spells out what is and what is not 'domestic terrorism', so we have to wait until they actually do something illegal before we can acknowledge that they even exist in terms of being someone that we need to keep under surveillance. Until then, they're protected by the Constitution. The best that we can do is try to arrest them for conspiracy to commit a crime, which is often hard to prove in court unless they've actually broken some law. But just saying that you'd like to storm the Capital or disrupt Congress from doing it's job or suggest that the president should be removed from office and locked-up, that's not enough to allow the federal government to do anything. Someone much first act on one of these aspirations before we can do anything about it.

OCU

#56 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-09-26 03:12 PM | Reply

That's the point I was trying to make. If the person advocating the overthrow of the government is a foreigner, then there are laws on the books to classify them as 'foreign terrorists' and we can round them up BEFORE they harm anyone. But if it's an American, there are no laws that actually spells out what is and what is not 'domestic terrorism'

#56 | Posted by OCUser

That's the point I was trying to make - dems need to write new laws to protect us from this new threat. Instead our party leader is delusional about how the fascist terrorists will just go back to normal after trump is defeated - he was and they didnt. So what's the plan now biden and dems? Just enjoy the last 2 years of democracy before you allow repubs to officially install fascism?

#57 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-27 12:27 PM | Reply

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