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Saturday, September 25, 2021

Orlando Sentinel Editorial Board: It was bad enough when Florida had a surgeon general who went missing in action during a full-blown pandemic.

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"Ladapo signed an order that does away with mandatory quarantines for students exposed to COVID. Now, parents " including those who think the pandemic is a hoax " get to decide whether to let their possibly infected kids stay in school and risk exposing more kids."

#1 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-25 09:22 AM | Reply

What could go wrong?

#2 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-25 09:22 AM | Reply

Leave it to DeSantis to appoint as Florida's Surgeon General a crank, a loon, that is a member of that insane group of wackadoodles Trump cited, the America's Frontline Doctors (lie).

#3 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-25 09:25 AM | Reply

Oh, and he's now making $512,000/year. So maybe he's not crazy, he's just craven and knows a good grift when he sees one?

#4 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-25 09:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#4 Good point. Side bonus, more MAGAts will die.

#5 | Posted by bored at 2021-09-25 11:03 AM | Reply

More from the cited article...

...Ladapo believes in herd immunity through natural infection. He warns of unknown risks from COVID vaccinations. He's argued against vaccine mandates. He questions the effectiveness of masks to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

He's touted hydroxychloroquine to prevent and treat COVID.

He's been associated with a right-wing group of physicians whose members include a physician who believes infertility and miscarriages are the result of having sex with demons and witches during dreams....



Where in the world does Gov DeSantis find these people?

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-25 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I think Ben Carson was the first wake up call for me. As a grad-school dropout, I couldn't believe this loon was a doctor, or look at ACB on SCOTUS for example, or to the full absurdity; Rudy G. Maybe it's the university they attended, maybe it's an exceptional ability to compartmentalize, but I never knew before the past five years or so how many well-educated professional people are total loons.

And although I have admittedly known several well-educated looney liberals as well, especially living in Ann Arbor, it's a different kind of lunacy. It's the difference between legislation narrowing down a busy thoroughfare to make another bike lane vs. actively encouraging the spread of a plague that has killed about as many if not more people than Germans did during the Holocaust.

Apples and oranges I say.

#7 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-09-25 12:57 PM | Reply

It's greed and ambition put before public health. I honestly don't believe I would be such a sell out even for over $500K per year.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2021-09-25 01:18 PM | Reply

Looks like that affirmative action crap backfired big time in this case. (See - Clarence Thomas)

#9 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-09-25 01:30 PM | Reply

why is he even licensed?

#10 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-09-25 07:40 PM | Reply

The GOP is a Death Cult.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-25 08:21 PM | Reply

Imagine what a Trump/DeSantis administration would be like. Or a DeSantis/Noem administration, to name one possibility. They won't just be lying to us day after day. They will be outright trying to kill us.

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-09-26 07:59 AM | Reply

So how long before they start pox parties for covid? Before vaccines were developed for the measles and chicken pox, kids were purposely exposed to the infected in the belief that kids would not suffer the effects of coming down with such as severely as if they were adults. So the parents arranged parties to get the kids exposed early and on purpose.

What could possibly go wrong with this practice, in today's world?

#13 | Posted by BBQ at 2021-09-26 10:02 AM | Reply

It would be sheer hell, Gal.

DeSantis is on the rise again in the GOP with the hint of a decline in COVID deaths in Florida. In a match-up against Crist, he's double digits behind, so his future in FL may be limited. This could push him to run for President, a perverted form of irony.

Biden's COVID handling is significantly preferred over DeSantis by Floridians.

floridapolitics.com

I can't see how this Ladapo insanity will to help him. With any luck it will bury him.

#14 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-26 10:05 AM | Reply

And so it has begun. Desantis is the new Hitler.

Agree or not he took the approach that public health is much bigger than just COVID. Despite having one of the highest senior populations in the country Florida has been mid pack in terms of per capita COVID deaths. His big picture approach resulted in less economic loss and less developmental loss for children's learning and development because his state's mitigation efforts were far less than the ham-fisted authoritarianism progressives love. He actually uses freedom and liberty as a reason for opposing mandates. I believe that is why progressives despise him so much.

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-26 10:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I swear it seems like progressives take perverse pleasure in the economic suffering lockdowns cause and are probably jealous of what is going on in Australia right now.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-26 10:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"And so it has begun. Desantis is the new Hitler."

Sure, if you take away life experience, ideology, and charisma.
He is craven, though.
That ought to count for something.

#17 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-09-26 10:32 AM | Reply

#13 I heard about a Covid party held for young people. Some ended up in ICU. FAFO.

#18 | Posted by bored at 2021-09-26 10:34 AM | Reply

#15 Liar. DeSantis pandered to the selfish Trumpers. Florida is top 10 in Covid deaths in spite of being spared in the first wave and having vaccines available while its rates climb against other states. Masks do not prevent commerce of childhood development and do reduce Covid spread and death. He pandered to his idiot base at the cost of lives.

#19 | Posted by bored at 2021-09-26 10:42 AM | Reply

#19. The last time I checked Florida was #25. I just checked again and they are now #10

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-26 10:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

European countries didn't shut down in person learning and didn't require masks in schools. Their school infection rate is on par with ours.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-26 10:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I just checked the state rankings for per capita fully vaccinated. Florida is #21.

#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-26 10:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

90% of COVID deaths have been in the 55 and older demographic and Florida has one of the highest senior populations in the country.

#23 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-26 11:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

# USA Deaths/
State 1M pop
1 Mississippi 3,167
2 New Jersey 3,076
3 Louisiana 2,956
4 New York 2,863
5 Alabama 2,860
6 Arizona 2,721
7 Massachusetts 2,690
8 Rhode Island 2,665
9 Arkansas 2,510
10 Florida 2,473

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-26 11:14 AM | Reply

#23 - "90% of COVID deaths have been in the 55 and older demographic and Florida has one of the highest senior populations in the country."

Old data, and taken from the beginning when there was no vaccine.
For instance, for just September in Florida there have been 3,004 deaths from COVID. Out of that 1,135 have been 64 and younger (no one breaks the data at 55). That means 38% of the deaths were in those 64 and younger.
www.cdc.gov
Click monthly at the bottom (tab), State (top left), then year in the drop down top right, then month (left of year), add the numbers as you wish. This is an excellent resource for seeing who is being hit hardest by SARS-CoV-2. Those 50-64 are ahead in deaths in Florida, though it is a larger group in numbers and years.

If you drop take the numbers and divide at 49 and younger, you get 13%, not 10%, and that includes dropping 5 years off the 55 number you're using. Not to mention that that age group, 50-64, has the highest mortality number from COVID, so that 13% is too low.

I did the same for August, same percentages as September, so it's consistent for the past two months.

#25 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-26 12:54 PM | Reply

It's important to track from the beginning. Once we choose arbitrary start points the data get skewed.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-26 01:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

According to the CDC Florida has the fourth highest vax rate and that's without any mandate.

#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-26 01:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

It's ridiculous to trace back to the beginning. Today is nothing like the beginning.

Also, Florida is 21st even with its senior population, as of Sept 24th:
1. Vermont - 69.11
2. Connecticut - 68.17
3. Maine - 67.97
4. Massachusetts - 67.52
5. Rhode Island - 67.51
6. New Jersey - 63.77
7. Maryland - 63.6
8. New York - 62.99
9. New Mexico - 62.51
10. New Hampshire - 61.22
11. Washington - 60.16
12. Oregon - 60.15
13. Virginia - 59.83
14. District of Columbia - 59.46
15. Colorado - 58.85
16. California - 58.45
17. Minnesota - 57.75
18. Pennsylvania - 57.33
19. Hawaii - 57.27
20. Delaware - 57.1
21. Florida - 56.48
www.beckershospitalreview.com

#28 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-26 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

CDC's website has Florida at number 18 in states on vaccine doses administered per 100,000:
covid.cdc.gov
Click on Data Table for COVID-19 Vaccinations in the United States, click on the third column for per capita numbers to sort highest to lowest. Look at state/territory in column 1. I didn't include territories in my count.

#29 | Posted by YAV at 2021-09-26 01:43 PM | Reply

Matthew Yglesias
@mattyglesias
It is certainly true that Florida's rather large senior citizen population has contributed to its high death toll, but a normal person would regard that as a reason for the state to err on the side of more Covid caution.

twitter.com

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-09-26 08:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"According to the CDC Florida has the fourth highest vax rate and that's without any mandate."

Link? I keep hearing that New England states like VT, MA, RI etc. have the highest vaccine rates.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-09-26 08:36 PM | Reply

#30 yet a big picture approach was taken and Florida fared so much better in so many other crucial areas and still has done ok, especially given its senior population with COVID.

#32 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-26 08:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Florida fared so much better in so many other crucial areas"

Just wondering which areas those are...

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-26 10:07 PM | Reply

"Florida fared so much better in so many other crucial areas"

Just wondering which areas those are...

#33 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-09-26 10:07 PM

Economy

Education and development of their children

Less health and social problems caused by lockdowns because Florida was less lock-downed.

#34 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-26 10:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#34 Got any data to back that up?

Cuz you got caught lying repeatedly on this thread already.

#35 | Posted by bored at 2021-09-26 11:08 PM | Reply

#35 Do you understand the concept of tradeoffs?

Did you not read about the increases in substance abuse, domestic abuse, developmental issues for children who were deprived of in-person learning and in-person interaction during critical years of their lives?

Economic losses as a result of shutdowns and other measures - fewer economic shutdown measures resulted in better overall economic results vs more draconian measures.

Is this really a road you want to travel?

Cuz you got caught lying repeatedly on this thread already.

#35 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2021-09-26 11:08 PM

BS. I haven't lied at all. What is with you progressive d-bags? Why is it only a small few of you are capable of having a discussion in good faith?

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#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-09-26 11:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Economy"
Florida has done better? How so? Tourism is the hardest hit.

"Education and development of their children"
Again, how so?

"Less health and social problems caused by lockdowns because Florida was less lock-downed."
Can you quantify this? I doubt it.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-26 11:18 PM | Reply

"BS. I haven't lied at all. What is with you progressive d-bags? Why is it only a small few of you are capable of having a discussion in good faith?"

I'm still waiting for your good faith response to this post:

"According to the CDC Florida has the fourth highest vax rate and that's without any mandate."
Link? I keep hearing that New England states like VT, MA, RI etc. have the highest vaccine rates.

#31 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-09-26 11:38 PM | Reply

It's important to track from the beginning. Once we choose arbitrary start points the data get skewed.

#26 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2021-09-26 01:03 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

No dummy, it makes perfect sense to track before and after vaccine availability. FL got lucky to miss much of the first wave. Now that we understand that outdoor activities create less risk of spread than do indoor activities, especially for the original variant of the virus, FL's weather had everything to do with missing the first wave. Now that we have the vaccine, and have scientific proof that masking is an effective deterrent to the virus, pull the numbers out, and I'm sure FL is near the top among infections and deaths because of DeathSentence's lack if leadership and his kowtowing to Hair Furror's idiot base. CA in spite of their massive population has the lowest spread in the country because of high vaccine uptake and masking policies due to Governor Newsom's stellar leadership.

It's not clear that by appealing to 25% of the electorate at the expense of the other 75% that DeathSentence can even win reelection in his own state. Like Pence, his only option is to seek federal election.

#39 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-09-27 03:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Poor desperate Bellringer is a lying Poopflinger. Time to grow up poopflinger. And don't forget to wash your hands.

Your hero Desantanis is an unmitigated disaster!!

Enjoy your ignorance abd alternative facts poopflinger. I hear it is blissful there in Trumplandia where you obviously live.

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-27 11:42 AM | Reply

"His big picture approach resulted in less economic loss and less developmental loss for children's learning and development because his state's mitigation efforts were far less than the ham-fisted authoritarianism progressives love."

So what that his policy is killing kids. The only other state with more children infected with covid is California (whose population is twice that of Florida).

For reference California's coronavirus case rate remains below the national average and significantly less than that of Florida AND Texas.

Child Covid deaths more than doubled in Florida as kids returned to the classroom
By AREK SARKISSIAN 09/09/2021 06:00 AM EDT Updated 09/10/2021 06:32 PM EDT

Florida averages 250 COVID deaths a day; children top infections, positivity rates
The state reports 151,749 COVID-19 infections in the most recent seven-day period. A third of those are age 19 and under.

Child deaths from COVID double in Florida as cases among children climb across the country

Francis Agustin Sep 11, 2021, 1:12 PM

Kids Under 12 Fueling Latest COVID-19 Case Rise in Florida

Weekly increases involving children under 12 have rose steadily, by 145% over the last month.
By Tony Pipitone Published August 27, 2021 Updated on August 27, 2021 at 6:33 pm

Enjoy your Bliss poopflinger.


#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-27 11:58 AM | Reply

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