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Thursday, September 30, 2021

Paul Waldman: When Joe Biden ran for president in 2020, he predicted that once Donald Trump was turned out of office, the Republican Party would become more reasonable. Yet today, we can see that Republicans have - but in the opposite way.

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It has always been true that political accountability falls most heavily on the president; it has been said for decades that he gets more credit than he deserves when the economy does well and more blame than he deserves when it does poorly. But ever-intensifying polarization means the opposition need no longer worry that it will be held responsible for what it does, because only the president and his party will be judged.

Or at least that's the theory the GOP is operating from. Just look at what it has been doing of late.

Senate Republicans just filibustered a bill to keep the government running and suspend the debt ceiling so the United States does not default on its obligations. Judging them by their actions, there's every reason to believe they'd be perfectly happy to allow either or both outcomes, plunging the country into crisis and potential economic catastrophe.

Their entire party seems determined to make sure that a pandemic that has killed nearly 700,000 Americans will go on as long as possible.

In the states and the courts, they've set the stage to overturn Roe v. Wade, a spectacularly unpopular outcome that will snatch reproductive rights from tens of millions of American women. They've embraced lunatic conspiracy theories and are determined to overturn any election result that doesn't go their way.

And in their immensely influential media outfits, naked white supremacism is now nightly fare. "Great Replacement" theory - which posits a conspiracy to replace White people with dark-skinned immigrants - has become standard conservative rhetoric.

Let there be no misunderstanding: The Great Replacement is an idea created by white supremacists and promoted for years by white supremacists. Today you can hear it invoked on Fox News.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the 2021 Republican Party. They remind me of an old adage: You can't negotiate with crazy.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-09-29 08:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Wake up! Time to die."

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-09-29 10:27 PM | Reply

Time to die.

#2 | POSTED BY LEGALLYYOURDEAD

Really? You go first. Let us know how it works out.

If I gotta go I am taking some trumpers with me. Marine kill ratio averages about 100 to 1.

Good luck everyone.

Semper Fi

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-09-30 10:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's not that the Republicans have become less reasonable it's that the Democrats have become more unhinged. Afterall it's their own party because of the progressive wing not willing to bend that can't get anything done even though they control the three branches.

#4 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-09-30 11:28 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

With 8 month sentences for insurrection, why not.

#5 | Posted by fresno500 at 2021-09-30 11:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

A local-politics view from CT:

Op-Ed: From anti-vaxxers to the Big Lie, Connecticut GOP is carrying baggage
www.theday.com

...I know that some Connecticut Republicans will make inroads this fall in the municipal elections, at the hyperlocal level of politics.

Certainly, the all-Democratic councils in Groton and New London, doing routine business by party consensus, without public discourse, need to be challenged.

Connecticut Republicans also traditionally have been at least a partial check on Democrats' one-party rule in Hartford.

But it seems to me, the cratering of the national Republican Party, as it pursues Donald Trump's assault on democracy and insistence that the 2020 election was stolen from him, is eroding any credibility the Connecticut GOP can maintain.

To win statewide office in Connecticut, or even the larger state Senate districts, Republicans, far outnumbered in voter registration, need to win over independents. And that is going to become increasingly impossible if Connecticut Republicans also have to assuage their base, soothe all the pandemic deniers and anti-vaxxers while insisting Trump won the last election.

Honestly, can you imagine a Republican gubernatorial candidate winning an election in Connecticut while insisting that Joe Biden is an illegitimate president?

I don't see it happening. Connecticut is not going to tolerate a pandering to the crazies.

And yet would it be possible for someone to win a Republican gubernatorial primary in Connecticut while denying the party base what has become a fundamental precept of Republicanism, Trump's big lie.

And that's just one issue that is going to make for a thorny 2022 for Connecticut Republicans.

The party's courting of the anti-vax, anti-mask vote is not going to help much with Connecticut independents....

Connecticut Republicans, especially at the dawn of the Trump era, have suggested to Connecticut independents that the state's lawmaking is distinct from national politics.

But of course that's never been true, and as the party endorses an increasingly hostile environment toward democracy, with laws even outlawing the delivery of water to people standing in line at the polls, firewalls protecting democracy in each state are going to be more important than ever.

Does anyone in the mainstream of state politics want to see a future in which Trump calls up a Republican secretary of the state in Connecticut and demands that person find him more votes?

Do mainstream voters want to see Connecticut Republicans have enough authority to gerrymander congressional districts?

You can see Connecticut Republicans already dragging out their old hobbyhorses and some new ones.

They will talk about the horrors of tolls until they are blue in the face. Fear the gas tax.

Right now the scary stuff is all within the Republican Party, and it would take a lot of hocus-pocus to make mainstream independent voters in Connecticut look away....


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-09-30 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#3 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Not a Blade Runner fan I see.

#7 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-09-30 11:33 AM | Reply

It's not that the Republicans have become less reasonable it's that the Democrats have become more unhinged. Afterall it's their own party because of the progressive wing not willing to bend that can't get anything done even though they control the three branches.

#4 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2021-09-30 11:28 AM

It surprises me HOW MANY conservatives don't know something as basic as "what the three branches of government are". Well actually it doesn't surprise me anymore. Since they also wave around the constitution but have no problem violating and contradicting it when it is in their best interest. And generally just don't know what is in it (or pretend phrases, like "a well regulated militia", just aren't in there).

Fish... what do you think the three branches of government are? "Executive", "Senate", and "House"?

Because liberals, who actually know how our government works, realize that it is "Executive", "Legislature", and "Judicial". And it is widely know that liberals DO NOT control the judicial branch. In fact, conservatives have packed it full of activist conservative judges (which is why, if you ever actually read any real news, you would know that the Supreme Court is going to be considering overturning Roe v. Wade in contravention of all established precedents).

But, if you actually do want Democrats to own what they are or are not "able to get done", does that mean that you are in favor of getting rid of the filibuster in the Senate. Because otherwise conservatives have veto power over any legislation.

#8 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2021-09-30 12:38 PM | Reply

"When Joe Biden ran for president in 2020, he predicted that once Donald Trump was turned out of office"

proving that old joe is not the man for this moment. We needed someone to save us from a fascist insurrection. Not someone in denial about it.

Merrick Garland is as big of a failure - too worried about seeming partisan to prosecute the most dangerous group in the country.

But that's biden's fault too for PICKING garland. We needed a prosecutor and he picked a judge instead.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-30 01:29 PM | Reply

It's not that the Republicans have become less reasonable it's that the Democrats have become more unhinged. Afterall it's their own party because of the progressive wing not willing to bend that can't get anything done even though they control the three branches.

#4 | Posted by fishpaw

The party of "jewish space lasers" "bill gates microchip vaccines" "vampire pedophile pizza parlors" and "Qanon" doesn't get to call anyone else unhinged.

Democrats want the same things they've always wanted - better lives for the working class, higher taxes on the rich.

Republicans have abandoned everything they pretended to believe in and are now purely the cult of a fascist con man.

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-30 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It is funny to watch Liberals squirm. It's just their turn, that's all. The news is already clear on even Liberal outlets, Dems are losing their grip on even in their own party. They are becoming the GO of 2010-2014. It will normalize eventually like it always does, kids.

"Fish... what do you think the three branches of government are? "Executive", "Senate", and "House"?"

This is a great example. The GOP did this when it was their turn. Since Cons have a different opinion than Libs, Libs just name call and resort to attacking the other side instead of coming up with constructive ideas. This is why the Dems gained so much power during Obama's years. The GOP got so frustrated that they lowered the bar when it came to compromising and working with the other side. And then Obama said he isn't going to work with the other side and bam, the GOP turned into a bunch of apes in the jungle. I mean, one could say Dems control 50% of the Legislative branch outright because of numbers but reality proves that wrong today with the infrastructure plan in jeopardy because of other Dems. And other Dems trying to distance themselves from the Squad, who is really just the newest version of the Tea Party but on the Liberal side.

Being a butt and resorting to name calling and throwing hate at anybody only makes you the fool.

"Since they also wave around the constitution but have no problem violating and contradicting it when it is in their best interest.

So when Dems do it, it's OK right? If doing that is so bad, why do Libs not hold their own side accountable when they do it? Both sides use the same tactics to get what they want, have been for many, many decades, probably since the beginning. I mean, the very name of this link shows 100% hypocrisy where, if setting things on fire is bad, then Dems have already owned that action in 2020 in multiple huge cities. So why is it not bad when Dems do it? Because Dems agree with the reason. But if Dems don't agree with the purpose of Reps, then setting things on fire is bad. Which means it's only a matter of opinion on whether things need to be set on fire. And the only way that humanity has EVER found a way to deal with this nonsense is to compromise. But you are doing the opposite of that. You are attacking the other side. And you are attacking them for the same reasons they've attacked you in the past. Dems used the filibuster vehemently during W's and Trump's tenure, but now it's a bad thing because it's being used against you.

All of that just uses logic to explain why you are wrong. And the only responses I've ever seen to counter that logic are attacks. THAT is the true compass of partisan hate, and one that is causing the demise of the Democrat party right now. It's OK though, they will get back on track eventually. Both sides do every time.

#11 | Posted by humtake at 2021-09-30 01:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#11 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE AT

Do you, like, get paid by the word?

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2021-09-30 01:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It is funny to watch Liberals squirm....THAT is the true compass of partisan hate, and one that is causing the demise of the Democrat party right now. It's OK though, they will get back on track eventually. Both sides do every time.

#11 | Posted by humtake

It's funny to watch conservatives surrender their entire party to a fascist con man without squirming at all.

The only thing causing the demise of the democrats is the lack of democracy. Your cult has only won 1 popular vote in 20 years. And it's getting worse for you so your only reaction is to replace democracy with fascism.

#13 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-30 02:08 PM | Reply

#11 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Lol... the only "logic" that you used was the logical fallacy of "two wrongs make a right" (you are justifying conservatives being hypocrites because you believe that liberals are hypocrites).

And I don't support people burning cities. Neither does Biden, or the majority of liberals. So will just go ahead and knock that strawman down. Anyone who actually engaged in a crime (such as arson) should have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But, some people acting badly does not justify infringing on the CONSTITUTIONAL rights of the protesters. So I will support the protesters having the right to assemble peacefully AT THE SAME TIME that I support any ACTUAL rioters (not just people who happened to be in the vicinity) being prosecuted.

And I didn't specifically advocate for the filibuster being overturned (though, just like there is no point in having nuclear weapons if you are not willing to use them, there is no point in having the "nuclear option" if you are not willing to follow through with it if the other side does not negotiate in good faith). But, Fish said that Democrats had control over the government and should be able to push through their agenda. I was just pointing out the falsehood of that reasoning with the filibuster still in place.

There is a LOGICAL refutation of your post pointing out the actual LOGICAL FALLACIES that you used. I look forward to you actually making some real points in the future that are not based on false logic so that we may in fact have an intelligent debate.

And I have plenty of constructive ideas. Single Transferrable Vote is one of them. But also the Freedom to Vote act sounds like a pretty good idea. I asked in the first post in that thread for ANY conservatives to give any justifiable reason why they would not support it, or would be fine with their representatives not supporting it. But so far... crickets. If you ACTUALLY want to have a debate based on ideas, maybe you should mosey over there and try to find something other than "both of them do it" to post.

#14 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2021-09-30 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Afterall it's their own party because of the progressive wing not willing to bend that can't get anything done even though they control the three branches.

#4 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

It's two right wing Democrats that are mucking up the whole works. Stop pretending there's some huge divide among the left.

#15 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-09-30 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's two right wing Democrats that are mucking up the whole works. Stop pretending there's some huge divide among the left.

#15 | Posted by Whatsleft

On the left, there are only a couple members unwilling to help pass the agenda the country voted for.

On the right, there are only a couple members unwilling to replace democracy with fascism and install trump as ruler for life.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-30 05:11 PM | Reply

Gotterdammerung is their goal.

#17 | Posted by snuffy at 2021-09-30 06:00 PM | Reply

If by few, Speaksoftly, you are referring to the thousand plus throng of people that invaded the nation's Capital as a few...

#18 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-09-30 08:55 PM | Reply

#17 At first I thought you had horrendously misspelled Gerrymandering...

But yeah. They want to burn America down and rebuild from the ashes. With no gays or coloreds next time.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-30 09:28 PM | Reply

It's not that the Republicans have become less reasonable it's that the Democrats have become more unhinged.

Just watched on the news a trumptard firebombing a DNC office in Austin.

You're full of baloney as usual Trumpfish.

On the right, there are only a couple members unwilling to replace democracy with fascism and install trump as ruler for life.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-09-30 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag

Wrong. There are 200 members of the House and 49 members of the Senate that are OK with Dotards terrorist invasion of the Capitol on 1/6. They are fine with him planning, instigating, directing and celebrating people destroying the Capitol, beating, injuring and killing people to install him as dear leader. If they weren't he would have been impeached and convicted over it and they would have agreed to the bi-partisan 1/6 committee and they would not actively be trying to sweep this attack on our Constitution under the rug.

#20 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-10-01 07:44 AM | Reply

and 49 members of the Senate that are OK with Dotards terrorist invasion of the Capitol on 1/6.

#20 | POSTED BY NIXON

48 members. Don't forget Kinzinger.

#21 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-10-02 02:45 PM | Reply

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