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The Wisconsin assembly is the latest state legislature to tackle the existential threat posed by Critical Race Theory, a phrase that has come to mean, for many people, "things that make me uncomfy," and which is so dangerous that any speech related to it must be policed by the government. The Wisconsin State Journal has the details:

In testimony before an Assembly committee last month, Wichgers said the bill would ban the teaching of concepts including "Social Emotional Learning," "Diversity, Equity and Inclusion," culturally responsive teaching, anti-racism, conscious and unconscious bias, culturally responsive practices, diversity training, equity, microaggressions, multiculturalism, patriarchy, restorative justice, social justice, systemic racism, white privilege, white supremacy and "woke," among others.


Patriarchy is also on the list.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-09-30 11:12 PM | Reply

Classic fascism.

It's surprising to me how many Americans think fascism is the solution to what ails us.

Do they have examples of fascism and thought police working? I'd really like to hear their take on it.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-09-30 11:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He who controls the language controls the masses".
"Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals

"It's a beautiful thing, the Destruction of words. Of course the great wastage is in the verbs and adjectives, but there are hundreds of nouns that can be got rid of as well.
-George Orwell, 1984

'There is a Party slogan dealing with the control of the past,' he said. 'Repeat it, if you please.'

"Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past," repeated Winston obediently.

"Who controls the present controls the past," said O'Brien, nodding his head with slow approval. 'Is it your opinion, Winston, that the past has real existence?'
-George Orwell, 1984

#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-09-30 11:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Language matters because whoever controls the words controls the conversation, because whoever controls the conversation controls its outcome, because whoever frames the debate has already won it, because telling the truth has become harder and harder to achieve in an America drowning in Orwellian Newspeak.

Erica Jong, Seducing the Demon: Writing for My Life (2007)

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-09-30 11:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Where are our 2nd Amendment warriors who so deeply love the Constitution when an afront to the 1st, and most important, Amendment is threatened by lunaticcs in Wisconsin? Come on guys, many of you threaten others with guns to protect your 2nd Amendment rights but your love for the Constitution seem sort of fake when you don't come out just as forcibly for the 1st Amendment.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2021-10-01 09:13 AM | Reply

Before long it may be illegal to declare the Trump political platform to be nonsensical and morally bankrupt. Declaring his breath to simulate an elephant's fart will be high treason. Tune in in January, 2023 to find out...

#6 | Posted by catdog at 2021-10-01 09:20 AM | Reply

Critical Race Theory, a phrase that has come to mean, for many people, "things that make me uncomfy,

Sentences like this do no help.

There are legitimate reasons CRT needs to be stopped, and it's not because it makes people uncomfortable.

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2021-10-01 09:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

OK, Boaz, list a few of them.
Warning: After you list them I'm going to ask you what CRT actually is, not what you've been told it is.
GO:

#8 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-01 09:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"There are legitimate reasons CRT needs to be stopped"

How can that even be possible.
What about my freedoms.
You want to make thinking certain things illegal?

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-01 09:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#7 | Posted by boaz

So you don't believe there is racism built into laws?

#10 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-10-01 09:58 AM | Reply

"There are legitimate reasons CRT needs to be stopped, and it's not because it makes people uncomfortable."

BOAZ just doesn't believe in the 1st Amendment. Nazis are OK with him. Fascists are OK with him. Racists are OK with him. Sort of have to think BOAZ is a lunatic. Crazy people shouldn't be allowed to own firearms.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2021-10-01 10:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Where are our 2nd Amendment warriors who so deeply love the Constitution when an afront to the 1st, and most important, Amendment is threatened by lunaticcs in Wisconsin?"

How is it being threatened?

Is WI attempting to ban anyone from trying to offer courses containing concepts such as "Social Emotional Learning," "Diversity, Equity and Inclusion," culturally responsive teaching, anti-racism, conscious and unconscious bias, culturally responsive practices, diversity training, equity, microaggressions, multiculturalism, patriarchy, restorative justice, social justice, systemic racism, white privilege, white supremacy and "woke," among others.

I didn't get that from the article.

What I did get was that this silliness wouldn't be included in the curriculum of public schools. And it has no more place there than does eugenics or creationism, outside of an explanation of the fact that these things exist.

But educators who were passionate about these issues, as far as I can tell, would be free to offer them to those who were interested outside the formal academic environment.

#12 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-01 10:34 AM | Reply

"So you don't believe there is racism built into laws?"

Do you?

I mean, I think there are still some antiquated anti-Chinese laws on the books...are you aware of anything else?

#13 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-01 10:35 AM | Reply

Voter suppression laws, mostly in the South, are obviously designed to make it harder for black people to vote. Pretend otherwise and we'll just consider you to be the liar we mostly always have considered you to be.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2021-10-01 10:38 AM | Reply

"Voter suppression laws, mostly in the South, are obviously designed to make it harder for black people to vote."

I know.

It's because they're dumber and less able to navigate new laws as effectively as white people can.

Which is why they need benevolent white handlers (like you) to help them along in life.

#15 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-01 10:42 AM | Reply

This is K-12 public education. States have the right to assert some control over the curricula. The tenets of CRT are toxic. They divide by race. They teach white kids to hate themselves and to view themselves as oppressors. At the same time it teaches minority children that they are oppressed and will always be held back in life unless white people are knocked down a peg.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 10:45 AM | Reply

#14. Of course you offer no proof for your claim. You are apparently view yourself a supreme authority therefore if you declare it to be true, it just is.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 10:46 AM | Reply

"At the same time it teaches minority children that they are oppressed and will always be held back in life unless white people are knocked down a peg."

I don't think that's the intent of the lesson.

I think the intent of the lesson is to tell minority children that they are oppressed and will always be held back in life unless the pledge their loyalty to the progressive (white) cause.

Them Asians have already gotten a bit too uppity. They need to be reminded that they're nothing without the help of the right white people.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-01 10:51 AM | Reply

"Last night the Stafford County Board of Supervisors voted to ban the teaching of CRT and the @The1619Project in @SCPSchools. What they probably don't know is the 1619 has an article about the Fredericksburg Slave Auction Block - so they have banned teaching local history too."

It's too bad that the 1619 Project is the only way that local event, or other events in history could be taught. Oh wait, it's not and this is just a disingenuous BS argument? Never mind.

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-01 10:51 AM | Reply

"It's because they're dumber and less able to navigate new laws as effectively as white people can."

Closing polling places, shhortening early voting opportunities, limiting the drop off places for mail in votes, so many other things. You are still pretending there is no intentional plan among Republicans to suppress black votes.

"The Palm Beach Post revealed this week that former Florida GOP leaders intentionally designed restrictive voter laws to limit votes from Democrats and people of color. Florida voters, as we saw in this year's election endured long voting lines and other confusion as a result of reduced voting hours, voter purges, and voter registration restrictions pushed by Republican leaders. In this article, former GOP chairman, former Gov. Charlie Crist, and others revealed that prevention of voter fraud was not the underlying motivation behind voting restrictions; a GOP win was."

www.kaporcenter.org

#20 | Posted by danni at 2021-10-01 10:51 AM | Reply

Closing polling places, shhortening early voting opportunities, limiting the drop off places for mail in votes, so many other things. You are still pretending there is no intentional plan among Republicans to suppress black votes.

*****

In Georgia every one of things were expanded from where they were in 2016. Geargia is less restrictive than New York or Biden's state of Delaware.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 10:53 AM | Reply

Same ol' racists doing the same old rationalizations of racism, and still no examples, still no demonstrated understanding of CRT.

"So you don't believe there is racism built into laws?"

Do you?

Absolutely. How is this even a question?

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-01 11:44 AM | Reply

"Absolutely. How is this even a question?"

You guys are talking past each other. Largely because others are talking about a specific type of CRT but phrasing it in general and you're reacting to that, and you're talking about specific laws but phrasing it in general and others are reacting to that.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-01 11:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#21 - Not true.

(The new law) requires a county "board of registrars or absentee ballot clerk" to "establish at least one drop box," but then limits additional drop boxes based on the number of active registered voters or early voting locations. The drop boxes also must be kept inside and only accessible during the hours of early voting.

The New York Times estimated that the law's provisions would give the four counties in metropolitan Atlanta 23 drop boxes, while those counties had 94 available in the 2020 election" This is a clear curtailment of past practices and a codified reduction, not expansion. There's more to this, too, since you can't drop off your ballot 3 days before or on the day of the election with the new law. The most critical time to get the ballots in if they're going to be counted.

Additionally the new GA law prohibits any water or food be given to anyone waiting in line. Even poll workers. This is another restriction, not an expansion.

There's more, too. When you said "everyone of things were expanded" you were wrong. Danni was 100% correct.
www.factcheck.org
thehill.com

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-01 11:57 AM | Reply

CRT is not what people want it to be. CRT is clearly defined.

#25 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-01 11:58 AM | Reply

#24. I was careful on two fronts. One, Georgia expanded access from 2016. They absolutely did. Your source cites 2020 where slapdash measures were hastily put into place due to COVID.

The food/water thing is really stupid. People can receive all of the free food and water they want as long as it's a certain distance from the polling center, such as the parking lot they pulled into. That provision is designed to prevent electioneering.

Secondly, I said the tenets of CRT'. People saying "CRT (the theory itself) isn't being taught ... " are gaslighting the issue.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 12:06 PM | Reply

CRT is a very broad field with academics who disagree with each other about how it should be implemented.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-01 12:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

There are legitimate reasons CRT needs to be stopped,
#7 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You don't even know what CRT is.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-10-01 12:09 PM | Reply

CRT is a very broad field with academics who disagree with each other about how it should be implemented.
#27 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2021-10-01 12:06 PM | FLAG: doesn't know what CRT is

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-10-01 12:13 PM | Reply

CRT is a very broad field with academics who disagree with each other about how it should be implemented.

That clearly tells me you don't know what CRT is.

#30 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-01 12:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There are legitimate reasons CRT needs to be stopped,
#7 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You don't even know what CRT is.

#28 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Or what "legitimate" means.

And "legitimate" to who?

Racist nazis?

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-01 12:24 PM | Reply

When you said "everyone of things were expanded" you were wrong. Danni was 100% correct.
www.factcheck.org
thehill.com

#24 | POSTED BY YAV

Qpublicans cannot win without lying.

I just assume they are now.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-01 12:26 PM | Reply

This thread reveals that a lot of people don't know what CRT is.

Critical race theory (CRT) is a body of legal scholarship and an academic movement of US civil-rights scholars and activists who seek to critically examine the intersection of race and US law and to challenge mainstream American liberal approaches to racial justice.[1][2][3][4] CRT examines social, cultural, and legal issues primarily as they relate to race and racism in the US.[5][6] A tenet of CRT is that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing, and often subtle social and institutional dynamics, rather than explicit and intentional prejudices of individuals. en.wikipedia.org

Key phrases in the above:
critically examine
intersection of race and US law
examines social, cultural, and legal issues
disparate racial outcomes

One would have to deny there were disparate racial outcomes on numerous issues not to support CRT.

It's funny that the effort to abolish CRT is a prime example of why CRT is a required field of study.

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-01 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#26 - Wrong. The law before 2020 didn't codify limitations in drop boxes, hours for early voting, or water when in line to vote.

The exact phrasing prior to this GA law was:

No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign literature, newspaper, booklet, pamphlet, card, sign, paraphernalia, or any other written or printed matter of any kind, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition or conduct any exit poll or public opinion poll with voters on any day in which ballots are being cast: (1) within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is established; (2) within any polling place; or (3) within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place. (Ga. Code Ann. 21-2-414(a))

Notice what's not in there? Hint: any person, any drink. which is in the new law. Here's the new law:
(a) No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast:
(1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is established;
(2) Within any polling place; or
(3) Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place.

web.mit.edu

advance.lexis.com

#34 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-01 12:31 PM | Reply

CRT is a type of gun you used to point at your head before flat screen monitors were invented.

#35 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-01 12:33 PM | Reply

This thread reveals that a lot of people don't know what CRT is.

THIS.

#36 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-01 12:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#34 Are you really up in arms over the free water in line thing?

I never even knew that was a thing. I've always voted in person and never saw anyone handing out any food or drinks. Yes, that's anecdotal but until the whole faux controversy erupted over the Georgia law I had no idea that was even something that was done.

I have observed people setting up tables in parking lots nearby to push whatever cause (usually a ballot measure) they are favoring, but they are required by law to be at least a certain distance away from the polling place.

#37 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 12:41 PM | Reply

It's funny that the effort to abolish CRT is a prime example of why CRT is a required field of study.
#33 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2021-10-01 12:29 PM

Nobody is trying to abolish it. What parents are upset about are it's tenets being incorporated into K-12. CRT has become a bit of a buzzword. In reality, it's writings from Ibram X Kendi and Robert D'Angelo that are actually being incorporated into K-12. Also the 1619 Project (which tracks along similar lines), which is beyond shoddy scholarship.

#38 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 12:44 PM | Reply

The Tenets of Critical Race Theory Have a Long-Standing and Important Role in Population Health Science

Critical Race Theory (CRT) has recently become the focus of conservative pundits' vitriol and Republican lawmakers' knee-jerk policy action. As of early July 2021, legislation prohibiting the discussion of CRT in K-12 public schools has been introduced in Congress and 22 state legislatures, passing into law in 6 states. In most policy discussions, CRT is used as a catchphrase or label for any type of pedagogy or training that attempts to elucidate institutional or systemic discrimination, implicit bias, colonialism, and other terms related to racial inequality. Policy rhetoric also shallowly misrepresents these frameworks and concepts as harmful to children by teaching divisiveness, prejudice, collective guilt, and racial segregation.1

CRT was coined and grew within academic legal studies in the 1970s-1980s by scholar-advocates who were interested in exploring how law and other forms of public policy could secure/protect civil rights, yet also serve to reproduce and codify racial hierarchy and discrimination.2 Importantly, CRT was not created de novo. Rather it is a bundling of tenets or suppositions that have a longer history in scholarship attempting to understand persistent racial disparities in economic, political, and social experiences and outcomes, including outcomes related to health. Taken alone or combined as CRT, these tenets are widely used in the humanities and myriad sciences, including the social and population sciences. Thus, CRT is a framework for a critical (i.e., deep, historical, complex) analysis of what drives ongoing racial inequality that builds upon long-standing scientific theories and concepts, and is supported by decades of multidisciplinary scholarship.

Any pundit, person, or group criticizing or defending CRT should understand its main tenets. This is especially important for the field of population health, broadly defined as science and practice related to the geospatial and social distribution of health-related exposures, risks, resources, and outcomes within and across populations. There can be no objective or effective teaching, research, or practice addressing population health disparities by race that does not implicitly or explicitly incorporate the tenets of CRT. Summarized below are four main tenets of CRT and how they are fundamental to understanding and addressing the significant racial inequities in population health in the United States.

www.milbank.org

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-01 12:54 PM | Reply

"CRT has become a bit of a buzzword. In reality, it's writings from Ibram X Kendi and Robert D'Angelo that are actually being incorporated into K-12. Also the 1619 Project (which tracks along similar lines), which is beyond shoddy scholarship."

Watch now as someone comes along and says "that's not what CRT is", but then they'll turn around and claim anyone trying to exclude the specific things you mentioned from a curriculum is attacking CRT and preventing "actual history" from being taught (even though it's not, and that's also not what CRT is).

#40 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-01 12:55 PM | Reply

(continues)

Tenet 1: Race is a social construction " the way that race is defined and experienced is the result of social and political thought and actions that change over time. This tenet is built upon the fact that "race""as a way to categorize or classify humans"is defined, measured, and experienced in demonstrably different ways both across and within societies over time. As Camara Jones explains: "Race is a social construct, a social classification based on phenotype, that governs the distribution of risks and opportunities in our race-conscious society ... (it) measures a societally imposed identity and consequent exposure to the societal constraints associated with that particular identity."5 Thus, it is racism"not race"that drives and explains racial differences in almost every health and social outcome.

A basic premise of population health science is that "race" is not a biological imperative driving disease processes and longevity, but rather a marker for how individuals within populations experience physical and social exposures, risks, facilitators, and burdens that matter for health over the life course. As Nancy Krieger explains, individuals' "chances" for good or bad health outcomes are largely determined by social differences in exposures, risks, opportunities, resources, etc.; and it is this "structured chance" that drives racial and other forms of social inequality in the distributions of health and illness within populations.6

Tenet 2: Although individuals can indeed be racist, racism and its outcomes are perpetuated in society through social processes above and beyond individual actions including through cultural norms, institutional rules, and laws and regulations. Camara Jones has defined how racism operates at three different levels: 1) institutional and structural racism that differentially influences access to the goods, services, and opportunities of society by race; 2) personally mediated racism between individuals, which includes intentional and unintentional prejudice (differential assumptions about the abilities, motives, and worth of others by race) and discrimination (differential actions toward others by race); and 3) internalized racism or the acceptance of negative messages by members of a stigmatized race about their worth, deservedness, or abilities.5

CRT emphasizes the need to avoid the conflation of "racism" and "racists." Rather than focus on racism as primarily being a problem of personally mediated racism"or individual "bad apples" on the police force, in hospitals/clinics, in schools, in banks, or in neighborhoods"CRT elucidates how institutions, systems, and policies can be designed in ways that reinforce, codify, and perpetuate exposures, risks and opportunities that differ across socioeconomic and racial groups. And because racism at all three levels contributes to racial inequality, policy action and intervention is necessary at all levels as well.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-01 12:55 PM | Reply

(continues)

Tenet 3: Because the differential treatment of individuals based upon racial classification is embedded within social systems and institutions"including public policy and law"racism is commonplace rather than rare and aberrant. As such, racism is omnipresent in society, which CRT refers to as "normal." This is sometimes misinterpreted to mean that CRT purports it is "normal" or expected for white people to be racist. The point here is that because differential access by race to resources, opportunities, benefits, and burdens is embedded within many aspects of our institutions and legal/policy systems, racial inequality continues to be reproduced outside of acts of personally mediated racism. Understanding structural racism within our systems and polices related to education, income, housing, food, criminal justice, the environment, and health care matters greatly for addressing population health inequities.3

Tenet 4: While racism is perpetuated at the structural/macro level in society, listening to and understanding the lived experiences of individuals is essential for understanding how racism works to create inequities in individual outcomes, including health. A main question for population health is how does living within institutions and systems that differentially structure exposures, experiences, and opportunities based on race/ethnicity get "under the skin" and produce health inequities?3-6 Moving beyond descriptive research that simply documents racial disparities in health outcomes, CRT rightly asserts that there is a need to better represent in research, the media, and policy advocacy and reform work how racism in all of its manifestations is experienced by people in ways that matter, including for physical and mental health.

In sum, CRT provides a framework for unpacking and understanding the fact that racial differences in important social outcomes, including morbidity, mortality, and other health indicators, exist and persist in the United States and other societies despite advances in civil rights. Population health scientists of all political persuasions should be deeply concerned about the current movement to ban the use of the tenets and concepts of CRT, as they are fundamental to a scientific understanding of racial inequality in every type of social, economic, and health outcome. Beyond banning the tenets of CRT in K-12 public schools, there is discourse regarding the need to ban such teaching and application in public universities, in publicly funded research, and in government-sponsored communication and education. Even if such actions are unsuccessful, the chilling effect on population health teaching, science, and policy work could be profound.

Given the misinformation and misguided political actions underway, it is incumbent upon those committed to health equity through population health science to publicly defend the tenets of CRT and their long-standing contributions to population health. The stakes"the ability for education, research, community-based efforts, and policy reform to improve the health and well-being of all"are incredibly high.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-01 12:55 PM | Reply

BellRinger,
which of those four tents of CRT are toxic.
Which divide by race.
Which teach white kids to hate themselves and to view themselves as oppressors.

You tell us.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-01 12:56 PM | Reply

This thread reveals that a lot of people don't know what CRT is.
THIS.
#36 | POSTED BY YAV

Sure seems like it's only hard-right Deplorables who:
Don't know what CRT is
Refuse to learn what CRT is
Deliberately misrepresent what CRT is.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-01 12:58 PM | Reply

en.wikipedia.org

Origins
Frankfurt School, Freudo-Marxism

Yeah... you kinda glossed over this part.

#45 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-01 12:58 PM | Reply

"Frankfurt School, Freudo-Marxism"

^
Oh you mean the guys who fled from Germany to America when the Nazis came to power.
What's your plan for people who study CRT when the fascists come to power here in America?
Are they enemies of the state, like Trump says the press is?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-01 01:06 PM | Reply

A Straightforward Primer On Critical Race Theory (and Why It Matters)

To conservatives: Stop trying to enact legislative bans on CRT. Such bans are censorious, probably unconstitutional, and, simply put, will do nothing to solve the underlying problem.

To progressives: Stop talking about CRT and, more importantly, its related ideas as though objections to it and concerns about it are all driven by a denial of systemic racism or an unwillingness to acknowledge the reality of slavery. As I've pointed out here, this is to grossly miss the point. The importance of this point stands even if the loudest critics are not raising the concerns I've outlined here.

To the mainstream media: See advice for progressives, above.

To schools and workplaces: Critical Race Theory is a social science theory"a tool to understand the world around us. As a theory, its related ideas about race, identity, power, and fairness constitute one possible way to see the world. As with any social science theory, but particularly one this controversial, its ideas should be placed in context. Placing the ideas in context requires presenting contrasting viewpoints"for instance, perspectives that do not automatically assert that racialized explanations and solutions should be the primary lens for viewing the world. Importantly, these contrasting viewpoints are to be presented on moral footing that's equal to CRT's.

The upshot is this: The problem is that CRT and its related ideas form a closed system. It's a perspective that leaves no space for anyone, no matter how well-intentioned, to see the world differently. When presented as the singular valid worldview, it isn't a productive way to engage with students, groups, or with one another.

#47 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-01 01:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

en.wikipedia.org
Origins
Frankfurt School, Freudo-Marxism

Yeah... you kinda glossed over this part.
#45 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

You know, when you just post simplistic points you really show how ignorant you are.

Critical Theory was practiced by Frankfurt School theoreticians. (WHO WERE JEWISH AND ANTI-NAZI!)

Critical Theory is an overarching approach to social philosophy

You really are an idiot, seriously, just plain stupid.

Truth Hurts Donut

#48 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-01 01:37 PM | Reply

From Sentinel's Forbes article:

"CRT is a theoretical perspective that asserts that race is always about inequality and domination. "

This is simply wrong (a lie?). At best a strawman that allows the author to then attack CRT.

Again

Critical race theory (CRT) is a body of legal scholarship and an academic movement of US civil-rights scholars and activists who seek to critically examine the intersection of race and US law and to challenge mainstream American liberal approaches to racial justice.[1][2][3][4] CRT examines social, cultural, and legal issues primarily as they relate to race and racism in the US.[5][6] A tenet of CRT is that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing, and often subtle social and institutional dynamics, rather than explicit and intentional prejudices of individuals. en.wikipedia.org

Key phrases in the above:
critically examine
intersection of race and US law
examines social, cultural, and legal issues
disparate racial outcomes

One would have to deny there were disparate racial outcomes on numerous issues not to support CRT.

So, are their disparate racial outcomes on numerous issues in America? If so, CRT attempts to examine them.

Theoretical example: Perhaps the cause of the disparate racial outcomes are solely caused by the actions of POC. Wouldn't that be a hoot? My instinct says differently.

#49 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-01 01:42 PM | Reply

#47 That's a great quote.

#50 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 01:43 PM | Reply

"Placing the ideas in context requires presenting contrasting viewpoints -- for instance, perspectives that do not automatically assert that racialized explanations and solutions should be the primary lens for viewing the world."

LOL
that's like saying we must teach Creationism in the Biology classroom, because that's another viewpoint that exists.
Of course, the Republican Party firmly believes that Evolution is a Lie and Creationism is True, so Forbes is really just telling their audience what they want to hear.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-01 01:56 PM | Reply

I suspect the main objections to CRT is that racists don't want to be reminded of how terrible the US treated minorities in the past and which party did most of the work to help fix that. Or that more work needs to be done.

#52 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-01 02:01 PM | Reply

I suspect the problem is that since CRT exposes racist institutions, any negative assessment of those institutions is seen as an attack on America itself.

For example, just about every Republican cries "race baiting!" and "class warfare!" when it is pointed out that America's police forces grew out of slave patrols and private security for moneyed interests. But that's completely true: time.com

It's a history they'd rather just sweep under the rug.

It's basically the same thing that happens when they are told their Confederate Flag is racist. And they say, it's heritage, not hate. Like those two things are somehow mutually exclusive.

America's heritage is a hateful one. That's what Critical Race Theory exposes. That's why racists view it as an existential threat. Because it is.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-01 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I suspect the main objections to CRT is that racists don't want to be reminded of how terrible the US treated minorities in the past...

You'd be wrong. Prior to this very recent insertion of certain tenets of CRT into K-12, social studies classes and history classes all taught about slavery and Jim Crow.

which party did most of the work to help fix that.

Going back through our history the GOP did far more to help fix that and the Democratic Party did by far the most to foment and institutionalize racism and that continues to this day.

Or that more work needs to be done.

No one denies that. By the same token, those pushing this stuff the hardest come across as believing institutional racism is far worse now than it was in the '50's in the South. It's ridiculous. Further, K-12 is about education, not political activism and indoctrination.

#54 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 02:08 PM | Reply

>"Placing the ideas in context requires presenting contrasting viewpoints
> -- for instance, perspectives that do not automatically assert that
> racialized explanations and solutions should be the primary lens for
> viewing the world."
"LOL
that's like saying we must teach Creationism in the Biology classroom, because that's another viewpoint that exists."

^ and there it is. CRT as a dogma that EVERY issue in society must be looked at and addressed as a racial issue, and the implication if you don't subscribe to this dogma then you're no different than those who reject "hard science".

#55 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-01 02:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

/italics off

#56 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-01 02:11 PM | Reply

America's heritage is a hateful one.

#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-10-01 02:08 PM

American's heritage is a wonderful one with warts. You accuse detractors of CRT for failing to see the bad (it's a straw man, but we're all used to that) yet you see ONLY the bad and none of the good.

#57 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 02:12 PM | Reply

#55 Yeah, the comparison to Biology/creationism is quite the logical fallacy.

#58 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 02:13 PM | Reply

One of the tenets of general Critical Theory is that the scientific method doesn't apply to social issues, so it's funny that Snoofrunt was trying to pass it off as a hard science.

#59 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-01 02:26 PM | Reply

^ and there it is. CRT as a dogma that EVERY issue in society must be looked at and addressed as a racial issue, and the implication if you don't subscribe to this dogma then you're no different than those who reject "hard science".

#55 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

And there it is, again. the lie.

Once again:

Again
Critical race theory (CRT) is a body of legal scholarship and an academic movement of US civil-rights scholars and activists who seek to critically examine the intersection of race and US law and to challenge mainstream American liberal approaches to racial justice.[1][2][3][4] CRT examines social, cultural, and legal issues primarily as they relate to race and racism in the US.[5][6] A tenet of CRT is that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing, and often subtle social and institutional dynamics, rather than explicit and intentional prejudices of individuals. en.wikipedia.org

Key phrases in the above:
critically examine
intersection of race and US law
examines social, cultural, and legal issues
disparate racial outcomes

Where in the definition does it say: "EVERY issue in society must be looked at and addressed as a racial issue"?

#60 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-01 02:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just to put this in perspective. CRT is an academic study, a way of considering and analyzing society.

Cons, are once again, demonstrating that they hate academics.

The result is that they disgust me.

#61 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-01 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

IOW willful ignorance

#62 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-01 02:35 PM | Reply

yet you see ONLY the bad and none of the good.

#57 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

And ding dongs like you like to pretend that is the ONLY thing being taught.

#63 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-01 02:43 PM | Reply

'Where in the definition does it say: "EVERY issue in society must be looked at and addressed as a racial issue"?'

If you look at the Talk: page for that article, it appears there's a tug of war going on between those who wanted to ignore or obscure the academic origins of CRT and those who want to obscure the extremes that a number of the "scholars and activists" alluded to in generic definition have taken it to. Both are disingenuous.

If you have a problem with CRT being portrayed as making everything about race, then you should take that up with the scholars and academics and CRT proponents who promote that claim.

#64 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-01 03:15 PM | Reply

America's heritage is a hateful one.

#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-10-01 02:08 PM
American's heritage is a wonderful one with warts.

^
Is Emmett Till the wart, or is the society who didn't punish his killers the wart?

Is Jim Crow the wart, or are the institutions and instruments which perpetrated Jim Crow the wart?

Is the Civil War the wart, or is the cause of the Civil War the wart?

Deplorables condemn the symptom but deny the existence of the cause.

They even have a phrase to dismiss it out of hand:
Thoughts and Prayers
Nothing Can Be Done

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-01 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Prior to this very recent insertion of certain tenets of CRT into K-12, social studies classes and history classes all taught about slavery and Jim Crow.'

Far from all about it. They teach the tip of the iceberg.

They don't get into the specifics of the abuses. They don't get into the rape culture.
They don't explain what it means that Sally Hemings was taken as a concubine, because is modern terms that puts Jefferson on par with Epstein.

They don't teach the history of the police in the South starts with slave patrols.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-01 05:46 PM | Reply

And ding dongs like you like to pretend that is the ONLY thing being taught.
#63 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

It's the entire underlying premise of the 1619 project.

#67 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 06:15 PM | Reply

#65 Like I said - you see ONLY the bad.

#68 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 06:16 PM | Reply

Far from all about it. They teach the tip of the iceberg.
They don't get into the specifics of the abuses. They don't get into the rape culture.
They don't explain what it means that Sally Hemings was taken as a concubine, because is modern terms that puts Jefferson on par with Epstein.
They don't teach the history of the police in the South starts with slave patrols.

#66 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

A typical High School history class covers pre-Revolutionary war all of the way up to the modern era. Slavery is a common theme throughout and some of the atrocities of that institution are in fact covered.

What you seem to want is an exclusive focus on ALL of the negative stuff - kinda Howard Zinn, Nichole Hannah and Robin D'Angelo all rolled into one.

#69 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 06:19 PM | Reply

And ding dongs like you like to pretend that is the ONLY thing being taught.
#63 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

#70 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 06:21 PM | Reply

And ding dongs like you like to pretend that is the ONLY thing being taught.
#63 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Have you ever read "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn?

Yeah, it focuses exclusively on the bad. For the record I have read it - cover to cover - and my copy is sitting on my book case.

#71 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 06:21 PM | Reply

What is being introduced into K-12 isn't even about history (the amount of deflections and gaslighting going on by lefties is astounding).

It's about incorporating the toxic crap from the likes of Robin D'Angelo and Ibram X Kendi into K-12.

'ALL white people are racist and need to denounce their "whiteness". All minorities (except for Asians, of course) are oppressed and can't make it anywhere in life without discrimination against white people.'

That is the kind of thing that has parents (of all colors) so upset.

The buzzword for that toxicity is CRT. Perhaps that's an inaccurate buzzword - Racist anti-racism might be more accurate. They call what they teach "anti-racism" and it's about as accurate as N Korea calling itself a Republic.

#72 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-01 06:26 PM | Reply

#72 As said above CRT isn't defined by Robin or Ibram. Who is actually teaching that ALL white people are racist in K-12?
More manufactured outrage at invented bogeymen.

There is nothing wrong with CRT.

There is institutionalized racism in US law and institutions. There is nothing wrong with discussing those facts and contemplating how to make improvements.

The only people complaining are gullible rubes and racists that don't want to acknowledge the truth.

#73 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-01 07:08 PM | Reply

It is funny to see people who claim Biden stole the 2020 election but also want to ban discussion of things like CRT they disagree with.

Biden won, CRT is true. You don't get to ban the truth while spreading dangerous lies.

#74 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-01 07:13 PM | Reply

What is being introduced into K-12 isn't even about history

Agreed.

It's definitely the white washed, Anglo-Saxon eye, European favoring, minority criticizing, bloodless version of history that conservatives want to be remembered as.

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-10-01 08:55 PM | Reply

"CRT is true."

^ and there it is. CRT as a dogmatic belief system that is "true", as opposed to a tool that is supposedly used to examine something objectively. You people are like $cientologists.

#76 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-01 09:30 PM | Reply

We are talking the wrong course. Government attention should be on mental health care for people who self-diagnose with racial psychosis.

#77 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-10-01 09:59 PM | Reply

^ and there it is. CRT as a dogmatic belief system that is "true", as opposed to a tool that is supposedly used to examine something objectively. You people are like $cientologists.

Leave it to you to take the discussion out of context and treat CRT as a noun - which is isn't.

#78 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-01 11:06 PM | Reply

#78 That right, it's a vibrant, free and colorful verb.

#79 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-10-01 11:29 PM | Reply

LOL. They say out of one side of their mouths that it has a clear definition, and then out of the other side claim a theory is a verb that's constantly evolving. Yup, we're definitely in gaslighting territory here. Clearly they can't defend it on the merits.

#80 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-01 11:42 PM | Reply

#80 Go ahead and deny that US laws and institutions don't have racist elements, but you just reveal that you are racist or ignorant, likely both.

#81 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-02 12:26 AM | Reply

Also interesting that you seem to support banning the teaching of CRT, but not claims that Biden stole the election.
Orwell would be proud, you want to ban truth and amplify lies.

#82 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-02 12:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Closing polling places, shhortening early voting opportunities, limiting the drop off places for mail in votes, so many other things. You are still pretending there is no intentional plan among Republicans to suppress black votes."

I don't see how any of those things would selectively suppress black votes. How is it that these things don't suppress the votes of other races as well?

You're kinda being racist.

#83 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 03:00 AM | Reply

"Closing polling places, shhortening early voting opportunities, limiting the drop off places for mail in votes, so many other things. You are still pretending there is no intentional plan among Republicans to suppress black votes."

I don't see how any of those things would selectively suppress black votes. How is it that these things don't suppress the votes of other races as well?

You're kinda being racist.

#84 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 03:02 AM | Reply

"Closing polling places, shhortening early voting opportunities, limiting the drop off places for mail in votes, so many other things. You are still pretending there is no intentional plan among Republicans to suppress black votes."

I don't see how any of those things would selectively suppress black votes. How is it that these things don't suppress the votes of other races as well?

You're kinda being racist.

#85 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 03:02 AM | Reply

"Absolutely. How is this even a question?"

Can you provide me with an example of a racist law?

Like I said, I think there still may be some anti-Chinese laws on the books in CA or OR, but they're certainly not enforced.

Maybe some southern towns still have sundown laws on the books...but again...not legally enforceable.

#86 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 03:05 AM | Reply

"Critical Theory was practiced by Frankfurt School theoreticians. (WHO WERE JEWISH AND ANTI-NAZI!)"

Do you get that you're literally defending communists?

Not just the people, but their underlying philosophies as well.

Maybe you think Eugenics should be taught alongside CRT.

#87 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 03:08 AM | Reply

"Yeah, it focuses exclusively on the bad. For the record I have read it - cover to cover - and my copy is sitting on my book case."

Nothing wrong with allowing students to read "A People's History."

I don't know if it would be appropriate for a history class though.

#88 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 03:13 AM | Reply

Education should not be about creating a specific type of person with a specific type of beliefs. The purpose of education is to let people become themselves.

All of that silliness that Snoofy unpacked in #41 and #42...I couldn't care less. Maybe my kids care, and if they do that can study CRT in their free time.

But mostly it sounds like racist nonsense to me. Like something the National Socialists would have come up with.

#89 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 03:17 AM | Reply

Is WI attempting to ban anyone from trying to offer courses containing concepts such as "Social Emotional Learning," "Diversity, Equity and Inclusion," culturally responsive teaching, anti-racism, conscious and unconscious bias, culturally responsive practices, diversity training, equity, microaggressions, multiculturalism, patriarchy, restorative justice, social justice, systemic racism, white privilege, white supremacy and "woke," among others.

Yes:

Banned terms
In testimony before a joint meeting of the Assembly and Senate education committees in August, Rep. Chuck Wichgers, R-Muskego, one of the co-authors of the bill to ban the teaching of critical race theory, outlined a list of additional terms and concepts that he said violate the Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Constitution and would be prohibited subjects in the classroom under the bill:

Critical Race Theory (CRT)

Action Civics

Social Emotional Learning (SEL)

Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI)

Culturally responsive teaching

Abolitionist teaching

Affinity groups

Anti-racism

Anti-bias training

Anti-blackness

Anti-meritocracy

Obtuse meritocracy

Centering or de-centering

Collective guilt

Colorism

Conscious and unconscious bias

Critical ethnic studies

Critical pedagogy

Critical self-awareness

Critical self-reflection

Cultural appropriation/misappropriation

Cultural awareness

Cultural competence

Cultural proficiency

Cultural relevance

Cultural responsiveness

Culturally responsive practices

De-centering whiteness

Deconstruct knowledges

Diversity focused

Diversity training

Dominant discourses

Educational justice

Equitable

Equity

Examine "systems"

Free radical therapy

Free radical self/collective care

Hegemony

Identity deconstruction

Implicit/Explicit bias

Inclusivity education

Institutional bias

Institutional oppression

Internalized racial superiority

Internalized racism

Internalized white supremacy

Interrupting racism

Intersection

Intersectionality

Intersectional identities

Intersectional studies

Land acknowledgment

Marginalized identities

Marginalized/Minoritized/Under-represented communities

Microaggressions

Multiculturalism

Neo-segregation

Normativity

Oppressor vs. oppressed

Patriarchy

Protect vulnerable identities

Race essentialism

Racial healing

Racialized identity

Racial justice

Racial prejudice

Racial sensitivity training

Racial supremacy

Reflective exercises

Representation and inclusion

Restorative justice

Restorative practices

Social justice

Spirit murdering

Structural bias

Structural inequity

Structural racism

Systemic bias

Systemic oppression

Systemic racism

Systems of power and oppression

Unconscious bias

White fragility

White privilege

White social capital

White supremacy

Whiteness

Woke


madison.com

#90 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-10-02 08:44 AM | Reply

This is K-12 public education. States have the right to assert some control over the curricula. The tenets of CRT are toxic. They divide by race. They teach white kids to hate themselves and to view themselves as oppressors. At the same time it teaches minority children that they are oppressed and will always be held back in life unless white people are knocked down a peg.

The ban in WI goes beyond K-12 public education:

Other action

Another bill that passed the Assembly 60-38 would ban similar concepts from being taught in trainings to employees of local and state government. It still needs Senate approval.

madison.com

This basically means local and state governments will not be able to do any training that uses the terms designated as banned and listed in my post #90.

#91 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-10-02 08:49 AM | Reply

"Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thought-crime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed will be expressed by eactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten. . . . The process will still be continuing long after you and I are dead. Every year fewer and fewer words, and the range of consciousness always a little smaller. Even now, of course, there's no reason or excuse for commiting thought-crime. It's merely a question of self-discipline, reality-control. But in the end there won't be any need even for that. . . . Has it ever occcured to you, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?"

George Orwell, 1984

#92 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-10-02 08:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Education should not be about creating a specific type of person with a specific type of beliefs. The purpose of education is to let people become themselves.
All of that silliness that Snoofy unpacked in #41 and #42...I couldn't care less. Maybe my kids care, and if they do that can study CRT in their free time.
But mostly it sounds like racist nonsense to me. Like something the National Socialists would have come up with.

By preventing certain truths from being taught, you are also "creating a specific type of person with a specific type of beliefs." A good example of that is someone who homeschools their kid and only teaches them creationism. None of that science nonsense. And to extend your argument, that homeschooling parent could say, If my kids care, they can study science in their free time.

#93 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-10-02 09:00 AM | Reply

Oh, sorry, in my post #91, this should be a quote:

This is K-12 public education. States have the right to assert some control over the curricula. The tenets of CRT are toxic. They divide by race. They teach white kids to hate themselves and to view themselves as oppressors. At the same time it teaches minority children that they are oppressed and will always be held back in life unless white people are knocked down a peg.
#16 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Followed by my response:

The ban in WI goes beyond K-12 public education:

Another bill that passed the Assembly 60-38 would ban similar concepts from being taught in trainings to employees of local and state government. It still needs Senate approval.

Etc.

#94 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-10-02 09:04 AM | Reply

I misunderstood the article.

I thought the intent was to prevent wokeness from being a mandatory field of study in public schools.

I'm good with that.

But banning "terms" or "words" is stupid.

#95 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 09:26 AM | Reply

"This basically means local and state governments will not be able to do any training that uses the terms designated as banned and listed in my post #90."

Why would they be teaching any of this nonsense.

#96 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 09:27 AM | Reply

"By preventing certain truths from being taught, you are also "creating a specific type of person with a specific type of beliefs."

Fair, but nothing in #90 has anything to do with truths or teaching truth.

CRT, as I understand it, is a subjective interpretation of society and history.

It's not truth.

"A good example of that is someone who homeschools their kid and only teaches them creationism. None of that science nonsense. And to extend your argument, that homeschooling parent could say, If my kids care, they can study science in their free time."

Agreed.

And if a private school or homeschool parent wanted to educate their children on critical race theory, they should be free to do so.

#97 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 09:31 AM | Reply

"Fair, but nothing in #90 has anything to do with truths or teaching truth."

#90 is a list of words that can't be used. How do you teach the truth about slavery or discrimination, for example, if you can't use words like Oppressor vs. oppressed, Systemic racism, or White Supremacy?

#98 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-10-02 09:39 AM | Reply

"I thought the intent was to prevent wokeness from being a mandatory field of study in public schools.
I'm good with that."

That's what people are claiming the intent is, but if these bans are instituted, it seems to me the effect will be far more reaching and harmful.

#99 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-10-02 09:43 AM | Reply

"Also interesting that you seem to support banning the teaching of CRT, but not claims that Biden stole the election."

I am 100% for excluding claims that Biden stole the election from school curricula. If you want to call that "banning", whatever. If right-wingers started promoting that claim in public schools, I'm sure you'd be the first to jump on the banwagon.

"Orwell would be proud, you want to ban truth and amplify lies."

Orwell was a great author who employed a keen sense of irony. Thank you for the compliment! Goebbels would be proud of you.

#100 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-02 09:52 AM | Reply

"#90 is a list of words that can't be used. How do you teach the truth about slavery or discrimination, for example, if you can't use words like Oppressor vs. oppressed, Systemic racism, or White Supremacy?"

First, I'm with you on the banning of terms in school. It's dumb.

However, none of the words you used are unique. And furthermore, the words like oppressor, or oppressed, don't really capture the character of slavery.

And if you want to teach slavery, you start from the beginning. Or as close to the beginning as possible. Slavery very likely pre-dates written history. If the focus is on the Americas, you teach about the native American and First Nation's slave culture, and the adoption of slavery by European settlers to the continent. You would follow that up with modern slavery such as human trafficking and slavery within the Islamic State.

That's how I would teach it.

#101 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 11:04 AM | Reply

"That's what people are claiming the intent is, but if these bans are instituted, it seems to me the effect will be far more reaching and harmful."

Yeah, I'm not entirely trusting in this effort either.

Like I said, CRT as I understand it, as Snoofy explained it, is mostly --------. But when educating children, it's just as important to not whitewash anything as is it to not hide the warts.

Slavery happened. For likely as long as humans have happened. It was the cultural norm for thousands of years. To try and paint it in a different picture because norms have changed would be completely dishonest and a disservice to those being educated.

#102 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 11:07 AM | Reply

"Goebbels would be proud of you."

I think Goebbels might be proud of CRT.

#103 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 11:11 AM | Reply

In fact he may have been the first one to author critical race theory.

#104 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 11:11 AM | Reply

"This basically means local and state governments will not be able to do any training that uses the terms designated as banned and listed in my post #90."
Why would they be teaching any of this nonsense.

#96 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Do you deny that there are disparities of outcomes for different races on any number of issues?

#105 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-02 11:31 AM | Reply

In fact he may have been the first one to author critical race theory.

#104 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

That would be a fact only if you purposely misconstrue the definition of CRT.

#106 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-02 11:34 AM | Reply

Goebbels would be proud of the KKK, Oath Keepers, Boggalo Boys, Proud Boys, 3%ers and the republican party, CRT not so much, he was all about big lies for violent white people.

#107 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-02 11:42 AM | Reply

"And if you want to teach slavery, you start from the beginning."

The beginning of slavery in America is what Project 1619 is all about.

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-02 12:02 PM | Reply

"Slavery happened."

Profound.

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-02 12:03 PM | Reply

'ALL white people are racist and need to denounce their "whiteness"

Racism is bigger than you and me.

It's part of society.

I don't know why that's so hard for you to accept.

Why is that so hard for you to accept?

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-02 12:09 PM | Reply

Like I said, CRT as I understand it, as Snoofy explained it, is mostly --------.
#102 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

LOL
"Mostly."
What parts are true?

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-02 12:23 PM | Reply

"Why would they be teaching any of this nonsense."

Your intellectual challenges do not make all of those terms nonsense, it just means you don't intellectually understant what they actually mean. I don't think you are stuipid but I do think your opinions are based on vague theories which are based on racism. Anything that contradicts your beliefs you see as "nonsense" but, in reality, it is anything but nonsense.

Ask yourself this: if you had a spare bedroom in your house and an overweight black woman showed up to rent it and a slightly built white woman showed up to rent it. Who would you choose. Be honest with yourself.
I honestly have always had black friends, especially girls, because they seem so happy to have fun with me through music. Honestly, I have girlfriends who come over and we just sing together. I'm certainly not talented but we do have a good time and I have been enjoying their company for decades.
I just recently made a new friend like that, it seems that these ladies are everywhere, just desirous of honest friendship and fun. And we do have fun! We sing, we enjoy each other but don't get me wrong. It is never in any way except honest friendship. Sure I may be a lesbian but that has never come up in any relationship I have ever had with these girls/women.
Most white folks, like me, are afraid of pursuing freindships with black people. I discovered that there is nothing to fear but fear itself. Many of my best freinds in the last 30 years happened to be black. I will admit, we had fun in ways most white women should have enjoyed but weren't capable of enjoying. My black girl friends have the ability to open up and sing their asses off! Probably one of the greatest pleasures I have had in my life. And my snow white kids loved them too.

#112 | Posted by danni at 2021-10-02 12:33 PM | Reply

"I don't see how any of those things would selectively suppress black votes."

Meanwhile, people who can see:
North Carolina court strikes down a voter ID law, citing racial discrimination.
www.nytimes.com

#113 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-02 01:32 PM | Reply

CRT as I understand it,

You clearly don't understand it.

But when educating children,

CRT isn't taught to children.

Thank you for your participation.

#114 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-10-02 01:47 PM | Reply

The myths about slavery that still hold America captive
www.cnn.com

in 1860, four million Black people were enslaved. Black people were worth more than every bank, factory, and railroad combined. The four million Black people were worth more than all the manufacturing in this country before the Civil War began.

Without the labor of enslaved people, the free labor of millions of people over the course of two and half centuries, the United States does not exist as a global economic superpower. It's that simple. We cannot disentangle our rise to global economic superiority from the fact that millions of people worked for free for more than two centuries.

^
"Beautiful."
--BellRinger

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-02 05:20 PM | Reply

"Do you deny that there are disparities of outcomes for different races on any number of issues?"

No.

It's true.

Do we want to drill down into why Asians tend to outperform non-Asians?

#116 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 06:11 PM | Reply

"That would be a fact only if you purposely misconstrue the definition of CRT."

Really?

So Goebbels didn't have any race-based theories?

#117 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 06:12 PM | Reply

"The beginning of slavery in America is what Project 1619 is all about."

That's like teaching the end of slavery.

It actually started 3-4 thousand years prior to 1619.

#118 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-02 06:14 PM | Reply

"That would be a fact only if you purposely misconstrue the definition of CRT."
Really?
So Goebbels didn't have any race-based theories?

#117 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER A

You should start asking yourself why you need to be a lying pos to make a point.

Once again:

Critical race theory (CRT) is a body of legal scholarship and an academic movement of US civil-rights scholars and activists who seek to critically examine the intersection of race and US law and to challenge mainstream American liberal approaches to racial justice.[1][2][3][4] CRT examines social, cultural, and legal issues primarily as they relate to race and racism in the US.[5][6] A tenet of CRT is that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing, and often subtle social and institutional dynamics, rather than explicit and intentional prejudices of individuals. en.wikipedia.org

Key phrases in the above:
critically examine
intersection of race and US law
examines social, cultural, and legal issues
disparate racial outcomes

Can you answer the simple, straight forward question:
Are there disparate racial outcomes on any number of issues in America?

#119 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-02 07:56 PM | Reply

So now, according to conservatives, CRT = Nazism

Got it.

#120 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-10-02 08:25 PM | Reply

"It actually started 3-4 thousand years prior to 1619."

When did racial slavery start in America?

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-02 08:26 PM | Reply

"Do we want to drill down into why Asians tend to outperform non-Asians?"

More or less for the same reasons immigrants tend to outperform natural born citizens?

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-02 08:27 PM | Reply

#122 Bingo.

#123 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-02 08:47 PM | Reply

"The Right continues its fascist slide"...

these words soon to be banned at a website near you...

#124 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-10-02 11:09 PM | Reply

Huh. Tenet 1 is a total load of --------. It's like trying to read "the Turner Diaries": it's so damn stupid you can't get past chapter 1. You know it's important because it's impacting history but it's no great work of thought, that's for damn sure.

#125 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-10-03 06:06 AM | Reply

"Do you deny that there are disparities of outcomes for different races on any number of issues?"

Of course.

I just don't think that the reason that Asians outperform non-Asians on many fronts is a result of systemic oppression of non-Asians.

#126 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 07:02 AM | Reply

"You should start asking yourself why you need to be a lying pos to make a point."

Lying?

What is it you perceive me lying about. I should be able to clear up any misunderstandings.

#127 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 07:03 AM | Reply

"When did racial slavery start in America?"

I don't think we know.

What we do is that many cultures native to the Americas practiced slavery, but without a written record it would be very difficult to say when it started. Just like it would be difficult to determine when slavery started anywhere.

#128 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 07:12 AM | Reply

"More or less for the same reasons immigrants tend to outperform natural born citizens?"

Then why do natural born Asians out-perform natural-born non-Asians?

#129 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 07:13 AM | Reply

#128 - America's slavery differed from that practiced by some Native Americans in that ours specifically imported a classification of human that wasn't regarded as human - one that was clearly differentiable by color and appearance - and could be treated as subhuman and nothing more than an animal. They weren't those that lost in a dispute, and were the same as those enslaving.

American slavery is rooted in, founded on, and built with white superiority and racism at its core.

As to your comment regarding Asians, Asian ethnic groups put greater importance on effort than on natural ability. It is neither a mystery nor is it genetic.

#130 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-03 07:53 AM | Reply

"America's slavery differed from that practiced by some Native Americans in that ours specifically imported a classification of human that wasn't regarded as human - one that was clearly differentiable by color and appearance - and could be treated as subhuman and nothing more than an animal."

Up until the 1970s. some native American groups still segregated the descendants of slaves.

But if you want to introduce race as a significant characteristic...white Europeans or whites of European ancestry were the first to abolish slavery. An institution that had likely existed as long as society had existed.

#131 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 08:08 AM | Reply

Move those goalposts.

#132 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-03 08:32 AM | Reply

This effort by the right-wing (the article) and apparently others to Whitewash American history, purge the evil that was done, can't be allowed. Knowing our history, warts and all, is critical in understanding who we are, why some problems persist, and is essential in moving us towards perfecting this union. Recasting Euro-American slavery in a different light, or attempting to "Johnny did it too, mom!" is childish. Especially when Euro-American slavery was entirely different system, treating people as chattel.

#133 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-03 08:42 AM | Reply

#133 | Posted by YAV

Stop being racist, sexist, and bigoted. Western culture is arguably mankind's proudest social achievement, and is worthy of praise. Now go back to your mental gulag, comrade.

#134 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-10-03 08:59 AM | Reply

Legal immigrants have half the crime rate of native born Americans. Illegals about eight times that, but they come from countries with 10 to 20 times our murder rate and stuff like that. It's called 'cultural enrichment', except it's 'cultural appropriation' if you take anything but the rape and murder. Like eating a taco or wearing a sombrero on Cinco-de-Mayo.

#135 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-10-03 09:03 AM | Reply

#134 - haha! Well done.
I liked your substitution of "Western" for "White." :)

#136 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-03 09:04 AM | Reply

"But if you want to introduce race as a significant characteristic...white Europeans or whites of European ancestry were the first to abolish slavery."

LOL.

1. How does this help us understand racism in America today?

2. Plenty of societies never instituted slavery to begin with.

3. Whites were far from unified when it comes to ending slavery, in fact they were so divided it caused a civil war.

#137 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 09:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"This effort by the right-wing (the article) and apparently others to Whitewash American history, purge the evil that was done, can't be allowed."

I was never taught about slaves in Native American society.

What should we do to un-whitewash this evil period of American hisotry?

#138 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 09:14 AM | Reply

#136 | Posted by YAV

It wasn't white. e^(i*pi)=1 you racist b itch. Western culture emerged globally.

#139 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-10-03 09:15 AM | Reply

"Knowing our history, warts and all, is critical in understanding who we are, why some problems persist, and is essential in moving us towards perfecting this union."

That's fair, but those linkages between slavery and current problems...they go back a long way.

Most of us here, our ancestors were enslaved by the Romans.

Can we trace any modern-day social issues to that enslavement?

And really, slavery in the US was just another chapter in that same history of slavery.

#140 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 09:16 AM | Reply

#138 | Posted by madbomber

Yo, I'm part Comache. Back off.
Wait, I'm part Irish.
OK, now I'm confused.

#141 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-10-03 09:17 AM | Reply

"Recasting Euro-American slavery in a different light, or attempting to "Johnny did it too, mom!" is childish. Especially when Euro-American slavery was entirely different system, treating people as chattel."

It wasn't different. That's the whole point. It was just slavery. An institution that existed as long as society, and affected each and every one of our ancestors.

To pretend that slavery in the US represents some unique form of injustice is dishonest.

#142 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 09:18 AM | Reply

I honestly think it's funny to listen to people that actually promote mass murder and slavery telling the freest people on Earth that they are Evil because of their skin color. That is so Rich.

#143 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-10-03 09:20 AM | Reply

"1. How does this help us understand racism in America today?"

It doesn't. But slavery and racism have very little to do with each other.

And if you want a prime example of racism, how about asking Danni about voter suppression laws in Georgia, and how they only effect non-whites. Apparently, non-whites are not able to navigate new laws as well as whites.

That seems like a racist notion to me.

#144 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 09:21 AM | Reply

"3. Whites were far from unified when it comes to ending slavery, in fact they were so divided it caused a civil war."

It caused a civil war in the UK?

It caused a civil war in France?

The UK and France abolished slavery years before the US.

Wait...the UK and France are still white, right?

#145 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 09:22 AM | Reply

"I honestly think it's funny to listen to people that actually promote mass murder and slavery telling the freest people on Earth that they are Evil because of their skin color. That is so Rich."

From my vantage point, it is no different than what Goebbles was promoting.

Maybe the authors of CRT have more noble intentions than Goebbels...I can't say what's in their hearts. But I suspect that it's really just another tool in the Marxian toolbox to control society.

...and I thought that religion was dead.

#146 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 09:24 AM | Reply

Wow.

Ok then.

#147 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-03 09:35 AM | Reply

#147

What part wows you?

Were you not aware of any of this?

www.frontpagemag.com

#148 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 09:54 AM | Reply

"But slavery and racism have very little to do with each other."

Hahah!

Slaves were black, and racism affects blacks, but aside from that... they're totally unrelated!
Oh and many black Americans are descended from black American slaves, but that's neither here nor there.

#149 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:10 AM | Reply

Apparently, non-whites are not able to navigate new laws as well as whites.
That seems like a racist notion to me.
#144 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It is a racist notion.
That's the reason for the law.
To make it harder for blacks to vote.

Blacks are not able to overcome certain voting restrictions as easily as whites.
Do you deny that is in fact the case?

I posted a link earlier showing where North Carolina's Voter ID law was struck down on racial grounds.

#150 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:15 AM | Reply

"From my vantage point, it is no different than what Goebbles was promoting."

Got any examples?
Let's hear something Goebbels said, which has an eerie parallel to what CRT says.

#151 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:17 AM | Reply

"Slaves were black, and racism affects blacks, but aside from that... they're totally unrelated!"

Some slaves were black. Some weren't.

In fact the term "slave" is derived from the term "Slav". Because the Islamic empires conquered much of eastern Europe and enslaved it's (white) inhabitants.

#152 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 10:25 AM | Reply

"Oh and many black Americans are descended from black American slaves, but that's neither here nor there."

And many white Americans are descended from slaves as well.

Given the historical proliferation of slavery, it's unlikely that any of us don't have a slave ancestor or two.

I don't lose much sleep over it though.

#153 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 10:27 AM | Reply

Let's hear something Goebbels said, which has an eerie parallel to what CRT says.

research.calvin.edu

#154 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 10:27 AM | Reply

"And many white Americans are descended from slaves as well."

Not too many white Americans are descended from White American slaves.

#155 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:28 AM | Reply

"Blacks are not able to overcome certain voting restrictions as easily as whites."

And you're telling me this statement isn't racist?

#156 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 10:28 AM | Reply

#154

"This essay is dated 16 November 1941. All Jews in Germany had recently been required to wear the yellow star in public, and the Holocaust was beginning. In this article, Goebbels made it clear that the future of the Jews in Germany was over. Anyone sympathetic to the Jews would be punished."

Where's the parallel to CRT?

#157 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:29 AM | Reply

"And you're telling me this statement isn't racist?"

Of course it isn't racist.
Are you actually suggesting that observing differences between races is racist?

#158 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:31 AM | Reply

"Not too many white Americans are descended from White American slaves."

OK.

And?

#159 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 10:32 AM | Reply

"In fact the term "slave" is derived from the term "Slav". Because the Islamic empires conquered much of eastern Europe and enslaved it's (white) inhabitants."

And do those institutions which perpetuated slavery still exist, like they do in America?

#160 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:34 AM | Reply

"Where's the parallel to CRT?"

That the Jews, by the virtue of their race alone, were guilty of oppressing the German people.

But you're right, in part, at least relative to this speech by Goebbels.

CRT teaches that white people (read-white Americans) are inherently guilty of crimes against non-whites (read-black Americans). CTR does not state what punishment should be meted out for these crimes.

It also doesn't really address race.

I think someone from Serbia or Albania might take umbrage at the notion that, because of their race, they're inherently guilty of crimes against another race or perpetuating slavery. Especially when the term "slave" is derived from their cultural identity.

#161 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 10:42 AM | Reply

"And do those institutions which perpetuated slavery still exist, like they do in America?"

Yes.

In fact the only state that I know of where slavery is still legal is the Islamic State.

And I'm not really sure what you're talking about.

Last I was aware the Confederate States of America had been soundly defeated.

#162 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 10:43 AM | Reply

"To pretend that slavery in the US represents some unique form of injustice is dishonest."

Oh, so now it has to be a "unique" form of injustice, or rather than acknowledge the injustice, you'll change the topic via wahtaboutism.

It doesn't even seem like you realize you're doing it. Do you?

#163 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:44 AM | Reply

"Last I was aware the Confederate States of America had been soundly defeated."

The Confederate States of America started in 1861.
Slavery in America did not start in 1861.

#164 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:45 AM | Reply

"In fact the only state that I know of where slavery is still legal is the Islamic State."

Is racism legal in the United States?

#165 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:47 AM | Reply

"CRT teaches that white people (read-white Americans) are inherently guilty of crimes against non-whites (read-black Americans)."

Where does CRT teach this?
Does CRT advocate extermination of whites too?

#166 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:49 AM | Reply

"Oh, so now it has to be a "unique" form of injustice, or rather than acknowledge the injustice, you'll change the topic via wahtaboutism."

I dunno.

If it were you teaching the history of the Roman Empire, would your focus be on slavery?

Rome is basically a monument to slavery. A city built by slaves using resources stolen from conquered nations.

But I don't think anyone is going to demand the removal of the Coliseum.

#167 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 10:49 AM | Reply

"That the Jews, by the virtue of their race alone, were guilty of oppressing the German people."

Was anyone oppressing the German people?
Were any Jews oppressing the German people?

#168 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:50 AM | Reply

"But I don't think anyone is going to demand the removal of the Coliseum."

Do you think anyone is demanding the removal of the White House, likewise built by slaves?

#169 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:51 AM | Reply

"If it were you teaching the history of the Roman Empire, would your focus be on slavery?"

Critical Race Theory doesn't focus on slavery. It examines on race as a construct and how that construct influences society.

#170 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:54 AM | Reply

"Rome is basically a monument to slavery. A city built by slaves using resources stolen from conquered nations."

So is America.

#171 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:54 AM | Reply

"Is racism legal in the United States?"

And everywhere else.

It's would be difficult to outlaw personal beliefs with today's technology.

#172 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 10:55 AM | Reply

Is it racist to say that racism is legal?

#173 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 10:56 AM | Reply

"Was anyone oppressing the German people? Were any Jews oppressing the German people?"

Yes. German was dealt a bad hand at the end of WW I. Germans felt slighted. The Jews were a natural target, as Jews had always been targets in Europe.

Were there actually Jewish efforts to oppress Germans? Probably not. But that didn't stop the National Socialists from trying to convince the Germans that they were being oppressed by Jews.

#174 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 10:59 AM | Reply

Were whites oppressing blacks in America during the time of Slavery and Jim Crow?

#175 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 11:00 AM | Reply

Or would it be more informative to say institutions such as governments and businesses and universities were oppressing blacks during the time of Slavery and Jim Crow?

#176 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 11:02 AM | Reply

"But that didn't stop the National Socialists from trying to convince the Germans that they were being oppressed by Jews."

Do you think the goal of Critical Race Theory is to convince Americans that we are being oppressed by Blacks?

#177 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 11:03 AM | Reply

"Do you think the goal of Critical Race Theory is to convince Americans that we are being oppressed by Blacks?"

I think the goal of critical race theory is to convince that black people that they are being oppressed by white people in much the same way as dialectical materialism was intended to convince the proletariat that they were being oppressed by the bourgeoise.

#178 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-03 11:09 AM | Reply

"I think the goal of critical race theory is to convince that black people that they are being oppressed by white people"

Well you're wrong.
It's not about people.
it's about institutions and societal constructs.

#179 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 11:10 AM | Reply

Also, black people don't need convincing that they are being oppressed.
It's white people who have a hard time seeing it.
Mostly conservatives, though.

An an example, you can't see how North Carolina's Voter ID law oppresses blacks.

#180 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 11:12 AM | Reply

I think the goal of critical race theory is to convince that black people that they are being oppressed by white people in much the same way as dialectical materialism was intended to convince the proletariat that they were being oppressed by the bourgeoise.

#178 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER A

Then you would be lying to yourself.

You admitted that disparities of outcome exist in America for different races. CRT studies those disparities of outcome to determine causes. Why do you have a problem with that?

#181 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-03 12:37 PM | Reply

#181- again, he's talking about a subset of the CRT body which is promoted by racists like DiAngelo, Kendi and others. Are you claiming those people having absolutely nothing to do with Critical Race Theory?

#182 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-03 12:54 PM | Reply

"CRT studies those disparities of outcome to determine causes."

I can point out causes in the equation.

Stepped-up basis of inheritance, tax-favored investing, and avoidance of billions via GRATs, for starters. Add that to the history of redlining, multiply by generations, and the macro forces become apparent.

#183 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-03 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I like parts of the US Consitution. I am a racist. Therefore the US Constitution must be banned from all schools.
- sentard

#184 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-03 01:04 PM | Reply

#181- again, he's talking about a subset of the CRT body which is promoted by racists like DiAngelo, Kendi and others. Are you claiming those people having absolutely nothing to do with Critical Race Theory?

#182 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I would argue that everyone, every single human-black white brown red yellow and orange should continuously examine themselves and that examination is the point of crt-to identify inherent racism in all of us and in our society-often in ways we are completely unaware of.

Now you can be a fragile white person and be afraid of self examination, but I view that as childish

To expand on that concept I think it imperative to be both an adult and ethical one should consistently be examining one's actions and motives and how they impact others.

#185 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-03 01:18 PM | Reply

"promoted by racists like..."

The point of CRT is that racism is bigger than people.

The impact of racism can't be fully realized merely by understanding that individuals exhibit racial prejudice.

The impact of racism extends to our societal institutions, giving rise to a situation where the individual may or may not be bighted, but either way, their actions can still perpetuate racism.

#186 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 01:21 PM | Reply

Were you not aware of any of this?
www.frontpagemag.com

Frontpage? Seriously? What a -------- of right-wing propaganda. No I'm not going to watch that video.

Wow.

I can't believe you even bothered with such garbage.

#187 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-03 01:28 PM | Reply

He still thinks Prager U is a legit source. Very middle of the road in his mind.

#188 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 01:30 PM | Reply

I asked a very straightforward question. None of the race trolls are willing to answer it and chose to deflect instead.

#189 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-03 01:44 PM | Reply

I answered the question. Of course your question was a strawman since they aren't racists.

#190 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-03 01:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"One of the most cowardly things ordinary people do is shut their eyes to facts."
--C.S. Lewis

#191 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-03 02:27 PM | Reply

#192 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-03 07:07 PM | Reply

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