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Monday, October 04, 2021

Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp are offline. The websites and apps for all of the services were responding with server errors. Reports on DownDetector.com showed the outages appear to be widespread, but it's unclear if it impacts all users or just some locations. It's not currently known what's causing the outage.

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Oh no!
Anyway...

#1 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-04 01:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Does this have something to do with "Let's Encrypt" certificate expiring the other day?

#2 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-10-04 02:46 PM | Reply

Can it please stay this way forever?

Social media when driven by Financial incentives has proven to be a nightmarish failure.

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2021-10-04 02:59 PM | Reply

@#2

It doesn't look like a Let's Encrypt issue.

Reports are starting to appear about BGP issues.

For example...

Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, and Oculus are down. Here's what we know
arstechnica.com

...The root cause of the worldwide outage appears to be a flubbed BGP route update....

A bit later, Cloudflare VP Dane Knecht reported that all BGP routes for Facebook had been pulled. (BGP"short for Border Gateway Protocol"is the system by which one network figures out the best route to a different network.)

With no BGP routes into Facebook's network, Facebook's own DNS servers would be unreachable"as would the missing application servers for Facebook-owned Instagram, WhatsApp, and Oculus VR....


Still early info, so YMMV....

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-04 03:01 PM | Reply

'60 Minutes' runs an expose on Facebook and Instagram and the very next day, both of those platforms goes down for several hours. Strange coincidence...

OCU

#5 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-10-04 04:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Anyone who was using an Oculus headset at the time is currently trapped in VR, and if they die there then they die in real life.

#6 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-10-04 04:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

From the arstechnica article cited in #4

...Update 4:22 pm EDT: New York Times technology reporter Sheera Frenkel reports that some Facebook employees are unable to enter buildings due to badge access also being down from the outage....


#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-04 04:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

A better link for the article in #4 (this one points to the article, not the comment section...)

arstechnica.com


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-04 04:52 PM | Reply

Oh no. How will putin put thoughts into rotting republican brains?

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-04 05:02 PM | Reply

Things I recommend people do while Facebook is down:

Talk to your neighbor talk to the people you live with talk to a pet.

Take the pet for a walk, go for a walk with your neighbor, take a walk with the people you live with.

Enjoy the good weather while it lasts if it's already gone have sex with your spouse, it's great fun and it's a lot better if you don't get caught.

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2021-10-04 05:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Still down for me. But for the first time I can... well, it's hard to describe. Like being shot through the forehead with a diamond.

#11 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-10-04 05:06 PM | Reply

I got home from work and didn't know what to do with myself and then realized I might have a problem. Might be a good time to start drinking.

#12 | Posted by dylanfan at 2021-10-04 05:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#7,

It's amazing that all three networks are linked like that. If it's true, that was stupid. Everyone has been flocking to twitter, which is on it's own network. Putting building access on this network was stupid as well.

All of these should be in their own private networks, so if something happens, it doesnt affect everyone.

Maybe it's like that, maybe not..

But you can bet, someone is going to get fired over this..

#13 | Posted by boaz at 2021-10-04 05:11 PM | Reply

Internet security researcher Brian Krebs tweeted:

Confirmed: The DNS records that tell systems how to find Facebook.com or Instagram.com got withdrawn this morning from the global routing tables. Can you imagine working at FB right now, when your email no longer works & all your internal FB-based tools fail?

To be more precise (and Geek Factor 5) the BGP routes serving Facebook's authoritative DNS were withdrawn, rendering all Facebook domains inaccessible. That's per @DougMadory , who knows a few things about BGP/DNS.

Searching for Facebook's DNS records comes up empty-handed.

#14 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-10-04 05:12 PM | Reply

#5 Revenge is a dish best served cold.
- Hillary

#15 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-04 05:12 PM | Reply

In other news, productivity is up 10%, and hateful speech and disinformation is down 25%.

#16 | Posted by bus_driver at 2021-10-04 05:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#6 Except for the ONE

I just realized that the anagram for one is neo.

#17 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-04 05:15 PM | Reply

Darth Darth: "Minions! Geek Factor 8.7"
Minion: "But... but... Darth Darth, the internet can't take the porn!"
Darth Darth: (force chokes minion, grizzly death, etc...)

#18 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-10-04 05:15 PM | Reply

#17 | Posted by bored

Office of National Emergency. That's what we call it in my superhero group.

#19 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-10-04 05:18 PM | Reply

I only use WhatsApp because of relatives in Europe.

Hatebook and Instaglam can die in a fire.

#20 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-04 05:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Move fast and break things.
- Zucker

#21 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-04 05:23 PM | Reply

How am I supposed to Do My Own Research now!!??

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-04 05:27 PM | Reply

'60 Minutes' runs an expose on Facebook and Instagram and the very next day, both of those platforms goes down for several hours. Strange coincidence...

OCU

#5 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-10-04 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does seem just a bit too convenient, doesn't it? Would the "Anonymous" group have interest in such things?

#23 | Posted by cbob at 2021-10-04 05:29 PM | Reply

@#13 ... It's amazing that all three networks are linked like that. If it's true, that was stupid. ...

Yup.

Having buildings' badge security network not separate is a poor design decision.

Aside from the security issues it raises, how can the people who need to fix the problem get into, and around within, buildings if the badge system doesn't work.

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-04 05:40 PM | Reply

"hateful speech and disinformation is down 25%."

Good thing this place didn't go down.

#25 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-04 05:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Okay, it's back up now. I fixed it.

#26 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-04 05:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

We can thank Obama for handing over the DNS servers.

#27 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-04 06:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Here's a really interesting part of the story.

Copied from another site,

"The outage came the same day Facebook asked a federal judge that a revised antitrust complaint against it by the Federal Trade Commission be dismissed because it faces vigorous competition from other services."

Facebook's defense was we're not that powerful. We have lots of competition. How can you prove we're a threat and too big?

This outage wasn't done with a virus or software bug.

DNS was hacked and records were deleted.

Will be interesting to learn more about this.

#28 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-04 06:37 PM | Reply

Facebook goes down for a day.

In other news, for the first time in years, everyone actually got along with each other.

#29 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-10-04 06:47 PM | Reply

It's not down, it's going through a spiritual cleansing.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-04 07:27 PM | Reply

#28 Are you sure it was a hack?
Seems like some engineers pushed some network as code update that they flubbed and it hid all the facebook networks from the internet.

#31 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-04 07:28 PM | Reply

Bored,

I'm not sure of anything.

Just speculating.

It could have been an inside job.

It's the fact it occurred on the same day Facebook used the defense "oh we're not that big and powerful...there's lots of other companies out there...what if suddenly we were gone...you'd hardly notice....we're just a little company among so many other competitors"

Prove otherwise.

Well....

#32 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-04 07:39 PM | Reply

Bored,

I will say I doubt it was human error.

I'd bet on sabotage.

I mean...singling our Facebooks dns records?

#33 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-04 07:42 PM | Reply

As an IT guy who has spent about 3 weeks in DNS hell from issue after issue - I HATE DNS. Poor Bastards dealing with this.

That said I only miss WhatsApp since that's how I communicate with some internationally located folks.

#34 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-10-04 08:03 PM | Reply

What took so long Sentinel?

Couldn't remember how to turn it off and then back on again?

All kidding aside it will be interesting to find out how and why they went dark if we ever do. Definitely interesting timing.

Because now it will be even more interesting to hear the testimony of the behind the scenes danger of Fakebook "ripping America apart" if/when the whistleblower makes it to the senate hearings tomorrow.

Did you know that Fakebook has more followers than Christianity? Don't you find THAT interesting?

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-04 08:05 PM | Reply

#33 | Posted by BillJohnson

I honestly doubt it. I think it is an F up. A big one.

I am working with my team on our DNS trying to deploy Cloudflare. It was easy to run a dual head setup in the past but now... We can't. So now it is change our entire organization's configuration.

#36 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-10-04 08:06 PM | Reply

#33 Facebook DNS records were fine, the BPG routing records were updated which hid the Facebook networks from the internet and intranet, which also killed access for the person doing the update. OOPS!

Apparently they have to use an angle grinder to cut into a server cage and fix the problem.

arstechnica.com

#37 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-04 08:13 PM | Reply

Every web service provider just got more process rules added to network updates.

#38 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-04 08:15 PM | Reply

As an IT guy who has spent about 3 weeks in DNS hell from issue after issue - I HATE DNS. Poor Bastards dealing with this.

I remember back when I first had to wrap my mind around how DNS works, iterative vs recursive queries, routing, etc.

#39 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-10-04 08:17 PM | Reply

..and the world is FAR BETTER for it.

#40 | Posted by e1g1 at 2021-10-04 08:32 PM | Reply

It's strange. Almost everyone hates Facebook. Almost half because they are a platform that allows misinformation, and the other almost half because Facebook is "censoring their free speech" (which happens to contain a lot of misinformation/"opinions.")

Facebook becomes inaccessible to all, almost all kinda freaks out.

If I was Mark, I'd say f**k this, announce I'm shutting it down, delete all files and data, buy an island, and watch the world lose their collective mind. I've got all my photos backed up.

#41 | Posted by memyselfini at 2021-10-04 08:59 PM | Reply

Facebook was so much better when only younger people used it and luddites mocked "Mybook" and" Facespace."

Then they got on the platforms and started pushing all their bs "news." They ruined it.

I still used it the way I did in the beginning. Keep up with distant friends and family.

#42 | Posted by memyselfini at 2021-10-04 09:06 PM | Reply

hitlerific

#43 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-10-04 10:46 PM | Reply

WhatsApp's outage majorly affected overseas communities who use it as a utility for calling and texting. It would not surprise me if there is pressure to break up Facebook and whatsapp someday.

#44 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-10-05 07:23 AM | Reply

It's amazing how big of a deal this is for so much of the world and how little it means to me. I dropped Facebook and all other social media during the election, and I haven't missed it once. My life is far better, and I haven't lost touch with anyone that matters. It has limited my contact with toxic people. That's probably why I started posting comments here. Everyone needs a little drama, but on Drudge, it's not personal.

#45 | Posted by Unisphere at 2021-10-05 09:16 AM | Reply

It would not surprise me if there is pressure to break up Facebook and whatsapp someday.

#44 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

I'm genuinely curious how social media site are to be broken up. It's not exactly like an energy company that can monopolize a region, with no other options for customers of that region. They are websites that people choose to use because there are many other people that also choose to be on that website. Can someone explain to me what "break up Facebook and What's app", ect looks like?

#46 | Posted by memyselfini at 2021-10-05 09:26 AM | Reply

Can someone explain to me what "break up Facebook and What's app", ect looks like?

#46 | POSTED BY MEMYSELFINI

BLUF: it's complicated.

www.businessinsider.com

FB+IG make sense as a company to stay together, at the end of the day it is all text and pictures. Whatsapp is the least integrated section of Facebook and could be spun off into its own public company, or bought by private equity, and run as a standalone service.

#47 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-10-05 09:49 AM | Reply

So on the day a massive news scandal about themselves come out, they shut down the news.

Not suspicious at all.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-05 12:19 PM | Reply

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