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Wednesday, October 06, 2021

When they don't have a howling mob to help them ambush underequipped and outnumbered cops trump's traitors are often cowardly and weep at the thought of being held accountable for their sedition no matter how light the sentence.

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What a snowflake!

#1 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-10-06 02:18 AM | Reply

This person, like most of them, previously bragged about what he did.

Lock him up.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-06 07:59 AM | Reply

From the cited article...

...Palmer told U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan he was the one identified in Department of Justice images who threw a wooden plank at police, sprayed a fire extinguisher at officers until it was empty and then threw the empty fire extinguisher canister at the line of police....


Another tourist.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-06 11:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is the typical trumptard...tough guy when surrounded by other like minded mental lightweights hitting police officers with a fire extinguisher, then sobbing when he is held personally responsible for his actions.

I think the DOJ is making a huge mistake in going light on these seditious scum. Make an example of them.

#4 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-10-06 11:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I think the DOJ is making a huge mistake in going light on these seditious scum. Make an example of them.

I agree, and I don't quite understand why the Department isn't throwing every available resource into ensuring every POS involved in 1/6 receives the highest sentence possible. I'm not impressed with Merrick Garland in the slightest but wouldn't expect anything more from a Biden appointee.

#5 | Posted by JOE at 2021-10-06 11:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#4 ... I think the DOJ is making a huge mistake in going light ...

Some of the Judges in these cases are saying a similar thing.

One Judge even assigned a sentence that was higher than the one recommended by the prosecutors in the case.

Found an article on it...

There Have to Be Consequences:' Judge Boosts Jan. 6 Rioter's Sentence from Home Confinement to Prison
www.rollingstone.com

...Although federal prosecutors recommended home confinement for Capitol rioter Matthew Mazzocco, a judge went with a harsher sentence and is sending him to prison instead.

"There have to be consequences for participating in an attempted violent overthrow of the government, beyond sitting at home," U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan said in court Monday.

This is the first time a judge has overruled the government's sentencing recommendation and given a more severe sentence in a case involving the insurrection, BuzzFeed's Zoe Tillman reported....


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-06 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Chuktan will sentence Palmer on December 17, but she sent a message to another Capitol Riot defendant during his sentencing earlier Monday.
Chuktan went above the DOJ's recommended sentence for Matthew Mazzocco, who pled guilty to a petty misdemeanor charge of "parading, demonstrating or picketing inside the capitol building" for being on Capitol Grounds January 6 but not going inside the Capitol itself.
The DOJ asked Chuktan for a sentence of 3 months of home confinement and probation for Mazzocco but Chcktan rejected the DOJ's recommendation.
"There have to be consequences for January 6th," Chuktan told Mazzocco.
Chucktan ordered the Texas man to serve 45 days in jail instead."

Who the hell is this Chuktan judge lady and why the hell didn't biden pick HER to run the DOJ instead of this pathetic impotent wet noodle garland, who is treating these fascist terrorists like he wants them to come to his next birthday party?

Garland is pathetic and should be replaced immediately.

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 12:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

45 days in the clink for a misdemeanor of unlawful parading?

What penalty does setting buildings on fire in Portland get?

#8 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 12:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

What penalty does setting buildings on fire in Portland get?

#8 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT

I don't know. Do you have a defendant in mind?

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-06 12:57 PM | Reply

45 days in the clink for a misdemeanor of unlawful parading?

#8 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2021-10-0

For being a ------ American.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-06 12:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#8 ... 45 days in the clink for a misdemeanor of unlawful parading? ...

The problem I see is not the "45 days" part but the "unlawful parading" part.

The charges are too light.

"Unlawful parading" when the person apparently tried to overthrow the government?



#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-06 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

" The charges are too light."

It's a misdemeanor.

#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 01:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I hate to break it to y'all but even Trump supporting morons are afforded the same legal protections everyone else receives in our criminal justice system.

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 01:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

@#12 ... It's a misdemeanor. ...

Yup, "unlawful parading" is a misdemeanor.

So what's your point?

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-06 01:06 PM | Reply

@#13 ... I hate to break it to y'all but even Trump supporting morons are afforded the same legal protections everyone else receives in our criminal justice system. ...

I am not asking otherwise.

I am, however, noting that it may not be the case here, with the insurrectionists being treated rather lightly compared to what they did.

I cited a Judge who had a similar opinion.


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-06 01:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14. My point is 45 days is on the harsh side for a misdemeanor and you are suggesting that it should be harsher. For a misdemeanor.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 01:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

They all belong in Guantanamo.

Like all terrorists who attack the nation.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-10-06 01:09 PM | Reply

" here, with the insurrectionists being treated rather lightly compared to what they did."

They are being treated far more sternly than people who set buildings on fire and took control over several city blocks for several days.

#18 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 01:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

#17 I suspect you cheered when Obama pledged to close GITMO.

#19 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 01:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

I hate to break it to y'all but even Trump supporting morons are afforded the same legal protections everyone else receives in our criminal justice system.

#13 | Posted by BellRinger

Actually they're being provided MORE legal protection because prosecutors are choosing to charge them with smaller crimes than they actually committed.

If they were muslim they'd be in gitmo for the rest of their lives.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They are being treated far more sternly than people who set buildings on fire and took control over several city blocks for several days.

#18 | Posted by BellRinger

Attempting to overthrow the government and replace democracy with fascism is a bigger deal than setting a building on fire.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Belldinger's heart breaks for his Insurrectionist, Trumper brethren.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-10-06 01:17 PM | Reply

They are being treated far more sternly than people who set buildings on fire and took control over several city blocks for several days.

#18 | Posted by BellRinger

Extremist lefties tried to take over a city block. Right wing fascists tried to take over the entire country.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#23. They are being subjected to more prosecution than those who set buildings on fire and usurped several city blocks.

#24 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 01:20 PM | Reply

#23 tried to take over an entire country unarmed?

They deserve what they get from our legal system but that's a really stupid take.

#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 01:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#22. They aren't my brethren. I want to see them prosecuted in accordance with their crimes.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 01:23 PM | Reply

@#16 ... My point is 45 days is on the harsh side for a misdemeanor and you are suggesting that it should be harsher. For a misdemeanor. ...

No, I am suggesting that an "unlawful parading" misdemeanor charge may be not have been harsh enough for assaulting a police officer multiple times.


#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-06 01:32 PM | Reply

#23 tried to take over an entire country unarmed?

They deserve what they get from our legal system but that's a really stupid take.

#25 | Posted by BellRinger

Yes, replacing a system of democracy with a system of fascism where only their cult is allowed to win elections is TAKING OVER THE COUNTRY.

Duh.

They deserve far worse than they're getting but garlands think your cult will become reasonable if he's nice to them.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 01:33 PM | Reply

" I want to see them prosecuted in accordance with their crimes."

So if the same activity was called "Breaching the Capitol", you'd be okay with 45 days?

Because personally, I believe there should be a crime for breaching the Capitol, and I think the punishment for that should be more than 45 days.

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-06 01:34 PM | Reply

#22. They aren't my brethren. I want to see them prosecuted in accordance with their crimes.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger

Sure. They just have the same agenda as you, fight for the same causes, attack the same enemies, parrot the same propaganda, spout the same lies, get news from the same fake sources, vote for the same candidates...but you're not one of them.

No you're a super independent minded individual who just happens to fight all day for trump's cult's agenda by total coincidence.

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 01:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

[img]news.calderdale.gov.uk[/img]

#31 | Posted by DMTDust at 2021-10-06 01:40 PM | Reply

#23 tried to take over an entire country unarmed?
#25 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Hey BellRinger, if you have any credibility whatsoever, you already know the answer this question:
Did the Nazis use arms to take over Germany?

What's the answer.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-06 01:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Did the Nazis use arms to take over Germany?"

Don't forget about Austria.

#33 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-10-06 02:49 PM | Reply

Nothing falls harder than a patriots tears.

Seriously this guy needs the maximum and that's really not long enough.

#34 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-10-06 02:51 PM | Reply

BellRinger, what's your answer?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-06 03:22 PM | Reply

#24
#23. They are being subjected to more prosecution than those who set buildings on fire and usurped several city blocks.
Liar. Idiot. Fool. Moron. Stupid. Ignorant.
All of the Above?
ktvz.com

#36 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-06 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

5 years for assaulting a police officer might seem a bit harsh, but doing it while black will get you killed.

#37 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-06 03:47 PM | Reply

#27 and #29

A couple of months ago I read about a woman who plead to misdemeanor unlawful parading. The evidence produced by the prosecution showed video footage of her entering the capitol building through an open door, meandering around for 13 minutes and then leaving.

Should she be treated the exact same as those who were engaging in violent activity?

#38 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 04:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#38 I'm specifically referring to those on 1/6 who were engaged in violent activity.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 04:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

& ... Should she be treated the exact same as those who were engaging in violent activity? ...

As I said in #27 which your comment is replying to, I do not think she should be treated the same.

My words in #27 ... an "unlawful parading" misdemeanor charge may be not have been harsh enough for assaulting a police officer multiple times. ...

I also have said that the "unlawful parading" charge may not be appropriate for some of those charged with it, that a more serious charge may be appropriate.


#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-06 04:20 PM | Reply

#36 - Bored

Please check out this link:

www.realclearinvestigations.com

I also have said that the "unlawful parading" charge may not be appropriate for some of those charged with it, that a more serious charge may be appropriate.

Are you basing that on any specific case where you've had the opportunity to view the evidence the prosecution presented?

#41 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 04:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Are you basing that on any specific case where you've had the opportunity to view the evidence the prosecution presented?

#41 | Posted by BellRinger

When you were a child, did you ever think you'd grow up to be someone who spends their days defending members of a con man's cult who invaded the capitol to try to end democracy and replace it with fascism?

Or did the child version of yourself have patriotism and love his country?

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 04:53 PM | Reply

@#41 ... the evidence the prosecution presented? ...

There were cases where I have seen the video evidence and the charges filed.

 

... Please check out this link: ...

For starters, it seems to equate the attempted takeover of government, the nullification of an election via force and the attempted assassination of elected officials (including the Vice President) with riots protesting the execution of a Black person at the hands of the police.



#43 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-06 04:56 PM | Reply

Bellringer with another lie: "Records rebut claims of unequal treatment of Jan. 6 rioters."

apnews.com

The story compares the 300 federal cases stemming from the George Floyd protests to the POS who attempted to end our democracy.

All you MAGAts can do is lie, lie, lie, just like Orange Julius Seizure

#44 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-10-06 05:30 PM | Reply

They are being subjected to more prosecution than those who set buildings on fire and usurped several city blocks.

#24 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

BS as usual.

Portland man sentenced to 5 years for setting fire during protests

*A Portland man has been sentenced to five years in prison after pleading guilty to first-degree arson for starting a dumpster fire near the city's North Precinct during a protest nearly a year ago.

DA Mike Schmidt announces a 60-month prison sentence in civil unrest, arson case

*Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt announced that Gavaughn Streeter-Hillerich received a 60-month prison sentence after pleading guilty to one count of Arson in the First Degree.

The guilty plea means Streeter-Hillerich intentionally damaged property owned by the City of Portland by starting a fire and thereby recklessly placing another person in danger of physical injury.

ktvz.com

*Man sentenced to 4 years in prison for role in 2020 Portland riot

www.kptv.com

*Portland protester guilty of arson sentenced to 48 months in prison

A protester who pleaded guilty to arson and throwing a Molotov cocktail at police during a Sept. 23, 2020, demonstration in downtown Portland was sentenced Monday to 48 months in prison.

Cyan Bass set fire to the Multnomah County Justice Center and used a slingshot to damage some of the building's windows, according to court documents.

www.opb.org

I have not seen one single sentence related to the 1/6 insurrectionists as harsh as ANY of the above, and there's plenty more if you Google.

Such a bald-faced lie by a bald-faced liar. Or you're simply a malinformed ignoramus - your choice.

#45 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-10-06 05:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"They are being subjected to more prosecution than those who set buildings on fire and usurped several city blocks."

What media outlets are telling you this? For bonus points, explain why.

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-06 05:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's amazing how much comment space gets used up when "Bellringer" appears. We should all make an agreement to simply ignore him/her and to not respond.

#47 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2021-10-06 05:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#47 ... We should all make an agreement to simply ignore him/her and to not respond. ...

While that suggestion does have a certain ring to it in some respects, I also think it is valid to respond and show the lies and misrepresentations that may be contained in such comments.

Another reason why I think it is valid to reply is that such comments do seem to represent the opinion of some in the Country, as such it is good to discuss the opinions.


#48 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-06 07:02 PM | Reply

It's amazing how much comment space gets used up when "Bellringer" appears. We should all make an agreement to simply ignore him/her and to not respond.

#47 | Posted by Yodagirl

Without the few trumpers dumb enough to show up here and spout right wing propaganda, it would just be a bunch of informed liberals agreeing with each other.

Personally I love destroying their propaganda and sending them running away.

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 07:11 PM | Reply

I really triggered some of you.

#50 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 07:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

As for compare/contrast let's keep a few things in mind. On 1/6 the rioters didn't kill anyone, set any buildings on fire or loot any local businesses. I would seriously hope that arson would carry a stiffer sentence than unlawful parading.

Also, most of the 1/ 6 rioters haven't even had trials yet. So, to claim that those who set buildings on fire received harsher sentences than the 1/6 rioters, is premature and not really apples/apples anyway. Some of the 1/6 criminals did engage in violent behavior and I expect the eventual punishment to be reflective.

#51 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 07:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#49 you are a propaganda machine. It's all you know. Caricatures, stereotypes, broad brushes and binary thinking make up the totality of every one of your posts.

#52 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 07:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" On 1/6 the rioters didn't ... loot any local businesses."

So the folks who stole items from the Capitol get a pass because those items weren't for sale?!?

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-06 07:38 PM | Reply

Bell ringer is paid by daddy Vlad, see Ruskie troll. He is paid in rubles and Vlad spunk.

#54 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-10-06 07:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#53. Of course not. I've been adamant that whatever the Criminal Justice system concludes should be commensurate with the crime, and that includes theft.

#55 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 07:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

As for compare/contrast let's keep a few things in mind. On 1/6 the rioters didn't kill anyone, set any buildings on fire or loot any local businesses. I would seriously hope that arson would carry a stiffer sentence than unlawful parading.

#51 | Posted by BellRinger

You're so desperate to excuse 1/6. You can't find any credible "dems did it too" false equivalencies, so now you're moving on to "well they didn't shoot anyone"

As has been explained to you, nazis took over germany without firing a shot.

Does that mean there was nothing bad about nazis replacing democracy with fascism?

#56 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 07:50 PM | Reply

#53. Of course not. I've been adamant that whatever the Criminal Justice system concludes should be commensurate with the crime, and that includes theft.

#55 | Posted by BellRinger

Well if muslim terrorists trying to end our way of life get sent to gitmo forever without trial, what should happen to white christian terrorists with the same goal?

#57 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 07:51 PM | Reply

#57 That's a fair question. In this case it boils down to citizens in our country get Constitutional protections that foreign national POW's do not.

Several years ago Obama issued a drone strike on a terrorist recruiter residing in the Middle East. That move drew some consternation from both the right and the left because the terrorist who was targeted was a US citizen.

You raise a valid point but the comparison is not apples/apples.

#58 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#56 I've offered no excuse for the actions of those 1/6 idiots.

#59 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#51 ... As for compare/contrast let's keep a few things in mind. ...

Yes, let's.

For starters, it is a false equivalency, one that the Republicans have been trying to use since the January 6 insurrection to try to downplay the January 6 assault upon our Country.

So before a comparison between prosecutorial and judicial proceedings of the George Floyd riots and the January 6 insurrection attempt can be validly made, I'd proffer that you first have to establish that the severity of the George Floyd riots and the January 6 insurrection attempt are somehow equivalent.

"The defendants stand charged with trying to steal one of the crown jewels of our country by interfering with the peaceful transfer of power. It's no exaggeration to say the rule of law, the durability of our constitutional order, and in the end the very existence of our republic is threatened by such conduct."
-- U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly said in his ruling ( Proud Boys Leaders Ordered Held in Capitol Riot Probe (April 19, 2021) -
www.bloomberg.com )

#60 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-06 08:03 PM | Reply

#56 I've offered no excuse for the actions of those 1/6 idiots.

#59 | Posted by BellRinger

Every day you're on here saying that the BLM protests were the same thing. That's an excuse. And a lie.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 08:04 PM | Reply

#57 That's a fair question. In this case it boils down to citizens in our country get Constitutional protections that foreign national POW's do not.

Several years ago Obama issued a drone strike on a terrorist recruiter residing in the Middle East. That move drew some consternation from both the right and the left because the terrorist who was targeted was a US citizen.

You raise a valid point but the comparison is not apples/apples.

#58 | Posted by BellRinger

Forget the ones that weren't citizens then. What happened to US citizen muslims?

Let me refresh your memory:

www.nbcnewyork.com

They were swept up and arrested JUST IN CASE they might be terrorists.

As we should be doing with trumps fascist brownshirts. But they're white and christian so terrorism is allowed.

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 08:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#62 Those weren't US citizens. I'm not saying it was right, BTW. It wasn't.

#63 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Every day you're on here saying that the BLM protests were the same thing. That's an excuse. And a lie.

Actually, that's not what I'm saying. I've been saying the 2020 riots were far worse based upon every metric. I even provided a link that breaks down the numbers.

#64 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

They were swept up and arrested JUST IN CASE they might be terrorists.

As we should be doing with trumps fascist brownshirts.

So, help me out here. Are you opposed to what happened with some Muslim foreign nationals in the wake of 9/11?

Or do you support what happened? With the second sentence I reproduced it looks like you support what happened because you appear to be advocating the exact same thing for people you disagree with politically.

#65 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Actually, that's not what I'm saying. I've been saying the 2020 riots were far worse based upon every metric. I even provided a link that breaks down the numbers.

#64 | Posted by BellRinger

Every metric except for the one you choose to ignore - intention and threat to end democracy and install fascism.

#66 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 08:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, help me out here. Are you opposed to what happened with some Muslim foreign nationals in the wake of 9/11?

Or do you support what happened? With the second sentence I reproduced it looks like you support what happened because you appear to be advocating the exact same thing for people you disagree with politically.

#65 | Posted by BellRinger

I'm opposed to christian terrorists being treated better than muslim terrorists.

GITMO was a shame and scandal and a way the SECOND WORST president we ever had (cant wait to see who your morons elect next) got around the constitution.

But the threat was taken seriously and all of government kicked into gear to aggressively protect us from the threat. With our new white christian fascist terrorist threat, the stupid portion of the country doesn't even see a problem with it and government is pussyfooting around them, and their leader who inspired their attack and is inspiring their next one is still walking around a free man.

If the guy who inspired 9/11 was a US citizen living in the USA, do you think he'd be allowed to remain free, and allowed to continue spreading the fascist lies that inspired his cult's last attack?

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 08:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#66 Successfully seizing control of several city blocks for a week was far worse. According to a media story relying on FBI sources there was very little coordination on 1/6. It appears to have been more of a spontaneous thing - that doesn't diminish what took place, BTW. Just pointing out that calling it an insurrection seems to be grossly overstating what actually took place based upon information currently available to us. The frustrating this is the Capitol building has countless security cameras and cumulatively those cameras have over 1,000 hours of footage from countess angles of what happened that day. But that footage is being withheld from the public.

#68 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"and that includes theft."

Oh, but they didn't loot, right? They just smashed the windows and took what was inside.

#69 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-06 08:27 PM | Reply

66 Successfully seizing control of several city blocks for a week was far worse.
#68 | Posted by BellRinger

Nothing shows right wing desperation and dishonesty more than this statement.

You literally just said control of a few city blocks was a bigger deal than the fate of our democracy.

Moron.

1/6 was not a spontaneous thing. That's like saying a house SPONTANEOUSLY EXPLODED, when a guy was cooking up record breaking quantities of meth inside.

#70 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 08:30 PM | Reply

I'm opposed to christian terrorists being treated better than muslim terrorists.

So you are advocating a consistent standard. That's a good thing. You are conflating foreign nationals with US citizens, which isn't apples/apples but I do respect that you seem to be trying to apply some kind of consistent standard.

GITMO was a shame and scandal and a way the SECOND WORST president we ever had (cant wait to see who your morons elect next) got around the constitution.

I think you are a bit off here. GITMO was/is used to detain POW's. The problem here is "the war on terror" is not clearly defined and it's also a war without an apparent end, so these POW's don't have a hard-line release date. That part I put in bold was solely because it made me laugh.

But the threat was taken seriously and all of government kicked into gear to aggressively protect us from the threat. With our new white christian fascist terrorist threat, the stupid portion of the country doesn't even see a problem with it and government is pussyfooting around them, and their leader who inspired their attack and is inspiring their next one is still walking around a free man.

This circles us back (thanks, Jen) to scope. The 2020 riots were far worse than 1/6 yet they weren't regarded as any kind of terrorist threat. If people even remotely associated with 1/6 are to be regarded as domestic terrorists than those associated with the 2020 riots should absolutely be treated as domestic terrorists - assuming we are applying a consistent standard.

#71 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Just pointing out that calling it an insurrection seems to be grossly overstating what actually took place based upon information currently available to us.

#68 | Posted by BellRinger

The insurrection is still happening stupid. Turn on the real news every day and read about your fascist party replacing election officials with cult loyalists wherever they have the power to do so. Rewriting laws so they can overturn elections that they don't like the results of. That's an insurrection. That's a fascist coup. And you support it.

#72 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 08:33 PM | Reply

"and that includes theft."
----
Oh, but they didn't loot, right? They just smashed the windows and took what was inside.

#69 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

No. That would fall under the definition of looting and should be regarded as such by our legal system.

#73 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Just pointing out that calling it an insurrection seems to be grossly overstating what actually took place based upon information currently available to us. "

I call BS

It was an failed insurrection. An attempted coup.

And is still ongoing. If you can't see then that you are not paying attention.

But that footage is being withheld from the public.

#68 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I call BS again. The Jan 6th Congressional special committee has full access to them. They have plenty to work with. If anything is being withheld from the public then the public doesn't need to see it yet. I know I don't.

I have seen enough.

#74 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-06 08:33 PM | Reply

You literally just said control of a few city blocks was a bigger deal than the fate of our democracy.

The fate of our Democracy was never in danger on 1/6. The CHAZ crew successfully seized control of several city blocks for a week.

#75 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The 2020 riots were far worse than 1/6

#71 | Posted by BellRinger

Every time you say that you look just as stupid as the last time.

Fascists trying to end democracy is a much bigger threat to the nation than citizens screaming for democracy to serve them better.

#76 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 08:34 PM | Reply

The fate of our Democracy was never in danger on 1/6.
#75 | Posted by BellRinger

Youre the biggest trump supporter to ever say they didn't vote for him.

1/6 and the CONTINUING INSURRECTION ATTEMPTS are the biggest threat to the nation since the civil war.

BLM marches just scared you more because of the color of the people.

#77 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 08:37 PM | Reply

1/6 was not a spontaneous thing. That's like saying a house SPONTANEOUSLY EXPLODED, when a guy was cooking up record breaking quantities of meth inside.

#70 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I have yet to see any evidence that it was widely coordinated and that it involved more than a couple of hundred people (last I read about 800 unlawfully entered the Capitol but more than half didn't really do much) Throw the book at the 300 or so who were truly trying to physically stop the vote certification.

#78 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#68 ... Successfully seizing control of several city blocks for a week was far worse. ...

So, seizing control of a small portion of a city is far worse than attempting to seize control of the seat of government of the Country?

Not buying what you're trying to sell.

... It appears to have been more of a spontaneous thing ...

It did not appear to be spontaneous to me. Or have you not seen the reports of preparation and organization weeks before January 6 with the protesters saying the fmr Pres Trump called them to act as they did etc.




#79 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-06 08:39 PM | Reply

The insurrection is still happening stupid. Turn on the real news every day and read about your fascist party replacing election officials with cult loyalists wherever they have the power to do so. Rewriting laws so they can overturn elections that they don't like the results of. That's an insurrection. That's a fascist coup. And you support it.

#72 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-10-06 08:33 PM

You apparently have zero understanding of what Democracy actually is. You seem to regard Democracy as advancing a progressive agenda, regardless of whether the electoral numbers are there to do so.

#80 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Every time you say that you look just as stupid as the last time.

Fascists trying to end democracy is a much bigger threat to the nation than citizens screaming for democracy to serve them better.

#76 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-10-06 08:34 PM

Riiiight. Arson and murder is OK as long as it's in the name of a progressive cause. / s

#81 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#23 tried to take over an entire country unarmed?
#25 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Hey BellRinger, if you have any credibility whatsoever, you already know the answer this question:
Did the Nazis use arms to take over Germany?
What's the answer.
#32 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

^
Still unanswered.

BellRinger still trying to downplay the coup attempt as nothing more grievous than a BLM protest that turned violent.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-06 08:41 PM | Reply

I call BS again. The Jan 6th Congressional special committee has full access to them. They have plenty to work with. If anything is being withheld from the public then the public doesn't need to see it yet. I know I don't.

I have seen enough.

#74 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2021-10-06 08:33 PM

I'd like to see it - it will paint a far more complete picture. I can't come up with a reason why this footage is being withheld from the public. Makes no sense.

#83 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So, seizing control of a small portion of a city is far worse than attempting to seize control of the seat of government of the Country?

One succeeded the other never had a chance and the attempt was a couple of hundred unarmed morons. Prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. (not directed at you personally) Stop with the stupid equivalencies to events like 9/11.

#84 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#68 ... It appears to have been more of a spontaneous thing ...

One of the of the early articles...

How Trump's internet built and broadcast the Capitol insurrection
Online extremists started planning the chaos of January 6 months ago.
www.vox.com

...Ali Alexander, a far-right activist and conspiracy theorist, posted a video to YouTube on Christmas Day, urging people to come to Washington, DC, on the day that Congress would finalize Joe Biden's election to the US presidency.

With a triumphant soundtrack, the video features President Trump at a rally declaring, "We will never give in. We will never give up, and we will never back down. We will never ever surrender." It urges people to register to attend on a website, WildProtest.com, directing them to get to the Capitol building by 1 pm on the day of the event. The website even offered to help people find rides to get there.

This was just one of a slew of efforts from online communities that came together for the insurrection at the United States Capitol on Wednesday that left at least five people dead and many more injured. Many of these groups had been building enthusiasm online for such an event for years. They planned Wednesday's event on social media and, as it was happening, gleefully livestreamed the destruction. ...


#85 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-06 08:49 PM | Reply

/6 and the CONTINUING INSURRECTION ATTEMPTS are the biggest threat to the nation since the civil war.

Jeez. How many people are actively involved in this? This ridiculous hyperbole is just that.

We are in ZERO danger of an insurrection. What is going on now is child's play compared with what the Weather Underground was doing back in the '70's. And that was never a serious insurrection threat either, although it was far more coordinated and involved a lot more violence...

#86 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#85 Trump's response to his loss is the biggest reason I'm glad he's out of office. I didn't vote for him and although I supported some of his policies he constantly debased the office he was elected to with his crudity and grift.

#87 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#84 .... the attempt was a couple of hundred unarmed morons. ...

Yes, Capitol Rioters Were Armed. Here Are The Weapons Prosecutors Say They Used
www.npr.org

You still have not even come close to showing any manner of equivalence in the comparison your comments are attempting to make.

Lots of deflections and even more false equivalencies, but little else.

#88 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-06 08:53 PM | Reply

#88 When talking about "armed insurrection" I usually have images of firearms (pistols, rifles, etc). NPR cited pepper spray, bats and flag poles that could be used to bludgeon people.

#89 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

BellRinger,

The Nazis took over Germany via the kind of legal maneuvering Trump was counting on Pence to do.

All Trump needed was a more loyal VP and he'd still be President through purely legal means.

And you'd be fine with that, because it was done through legal channels.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-06 08:59 PM | Reply

In a life or death battle if I'm given the choice between a Glock and a bat I'm choosing the Glock every time, and it's not even close.

#91 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 08:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#90 Nazi comparisons. Impossible to take that seriously. Try harder.

#92 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 09:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Abd let's say you wanted to take over a country, do you military maneuvers or legal maneuvering?

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-06 09:01 PM | Reply

Just answer the questions, BellRinger.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-06 09:01 PM | Reply

The comparison is between one legal takeover that succeeded and one legal takeover that would have succeeded if Pence had done Trump's bidding.

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-06 09:02 PM | Reply

Everything you say is an attempt to downplay what happened on Jan 6.

Not just among the volunteer forces but especially by the people in power loyal to Trump.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-06 09:04 PM | Reply

"#88 When talking about "armed insurrection" I usually have images of firearms"

As though anyone give an F?

Your stupidity doesn't dictate reality.

#97 | Posted by Tor at 2021-10-06 09:09 PM | Reply

I have yet to see any evidence that it was widely coordinated
#78 | Posted by BellRinger

it doesnt get more WIDELY COORDINATED than the president using his propaganda channels to convince millions of morons that the election was a fraud and they had to save their country

#98 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 09:10 PM | Reply

#98 You conflate rhetoric with coordination. As it pertains to the actual events of that day, all available evidence (so far) shows minimal coordination and planning.

Your stupidity doesn't dictate reality.

#97 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2021-10-06 09:09 PM |

Your stupidity, which is omnipresent, is just stupid.

#99 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 09:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#90 Nazi comparisons. Impossible to take that seriously. Try harder.

#92 | Posted by BellRinger

Because a baby could see all the similarities between nazis and trumps cult.

Trump is a fascist. And a sociopath. And has brainwashed millions of violence thirsty morons to see him as their savior. He flouted rules when in power. Corrupted everyone around him. Tried to arrange to end democracy and stay in power.

He's just like hitler if hitler was a spoiled lazy rich moron instead of a broke artist who knew how to get stuff done.

#100 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-06 09:13 PM | Reply

#100 You need to take your meds.

#101 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 09:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

dumbbell if you think you can't be armed with anything other than a gun run at a cop with a knife.

PS your ushanka is gay.

#102 | Posted by Tor at 2021-10-06 09:17 PM | Reply

You will say the exact same thing about any Republican who gains any kind of prominence from now until the day you die (which hopefully is a long way away).

#103 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 09:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

dumbbell if you think you can't be armed with anything other than a gun run at a cop with a knife.

Well, the NPR piece Lamplighter linked didn't mention knives. Having said that, an athletic attacker armed with a melee weapon has an advantage over anyone armed solely with a holstered range weapon if they can get within 21 feet first. Weapon drawn - the melee attacker is at a severe disadvantage.

#104 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 09:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

non-sequiter ahoy....

#105 | Posted by Tor at 2021-10-06 09:22 PM | Reply

...followed by playing dumb....

#106 | Posted by Tor at 2021-10-06 09:22 PM | Reply

Make a point, Tor. When the only arrow in your quiver is insults....do better.

#107 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 09:27 PM | Reply

" No. That would fall under the definition of looting and should be regarded as such by our legal system."

So ... when you said no one looted on 1/6, you meant lots of them looted on 1/6? Got it.

#108 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-06 09:28 PM | Reply

an athletic attacker armed with a melee weapon has an advantage over anyone armed solely with a holstered range weapon

My God. "Bellringer" is Buffalo Bob. Did not see that coming.

#109 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-06 09:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So ... when you said no one looted on 1/6, you meant lots of them looted on 1/6? Got it.

#108 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

To the extent and degree they are not even comparable. Having said that, I see your point and cede it.

#110 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 09:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

My God. "Bellringer" is Buffalo Bob. Did not see that coming.

#109 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2021-10-06 09:31 PM

The distance thing came up on an early episode of the show "Criminal Minds". That was what my comment was based on.

#111 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 09:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

JJeff sure makes a lot of posts spreading the lie that BLM rioters off easy compared to 1/6 rioters.
Some BLM rioters got 5 years in jail for setting fire to a dumpster, which seems fair.
1/6 rioters have got much less for violently assaulting police officers.
Back the Blue indeed.

Why the compulsion to lie to minimize the crimes of Fascists?

#112 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-06 09:44 PM | Reply

'My God. "Bellringer" is Buffalo Bob. Did not see that coming.'

Was he the guy who had weird opinions about car antanas being used as a weapon?

#113 | Posted by Tor at 2021-10-06 09:51 PM | Reply

" To the extent and degree they are not even comparable."

Huh? One group smashed windows and took what didn't belong to them after trespassing, while the other group smashed windows and took what didn't belong to them after trespassing. They're EXACTLY alike ... except one group was also trying to overturn an election, based on a lie. MUCH worse.

#114 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-06 09:57 PM | Reply

Was he the guy who had weird opinions about car antanas being used as a weapon?

Yep. The car antenna was his "melee weapon" of choice.

#115 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-06 10:14 PM | Reply

#114 The 2020 riots resulted in FAR more theft than 1/6.

#116 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 10:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" The 2020 riots resulted in FAR more theft than 1/6."

In one incident, or are you having to amalgamate to make your point?

And to the point, how much differential do you put in one being inspired be the truth (black folks are treated much worse due to their skin color) versus one inspired by an insidious lie?

#117 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-06 10:28 PM | Reply

#117 People were killed during the 2020 riots. The only person killed as a result of 1/6 was a rioter.

So, we should just ignore the death of David Dorn (black person murdered trying to defend a friend's business) because your definition of truth appears to be the murder of a black man is all good if he's attempting to prevent others from pilfering his friend's livelihood and belongings. It's along the lines of blaming a rape victim for wearing a short skirt.

#118 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 10:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#118 Danforth - I apologize for #118. To be fair, it's the position that WAY too many people take. But I've never seen you advocate anything like that.

#119 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-06 10:53 PM | Reply

100 riots had more rioting that 1 riot.

This is what passes for educated conservative commentary in the year 2021.

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-06 10:53 PM | Reply

Tor, I know we don't always see eye to eye, but I'm sure glad you can see through this BellRinger nonsense.

It seems like literally every regular here -- that hasn't been banned and comes back on a smurf account -- can see right past his shtick.

I think we should be proud of that, as a community.

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-06 10:55 PM | Reply

#119

All good.

I'm much more interested in your answer to #117's last paragraph.

#122 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-07 12:02 AM | Reply

"Yep. The car antenna was his "melee weapon" of choice."

Any more evidence that bobo is pulling a king candy?

#123 | Posted by Tor at 2021-10-07 02:13 AM | Reply

#114 The 2020 riots resulted in FAR more theft than 1/6.

#116 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I call BS again ding dong.

No protests in 2020 were instigated by our President in order to try and steal democracy itself. Democracy is way more valuable than any of your ill gotten 2020 riot loot.

#124 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-07 10:08 AM | Reply

Just answer the questions, BellRinger.
#94 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I would prefer that the lying insurrectionist just go frack off. There is nothing he can say that will normalized downplay or justify Jan 6th.

And until Trumpy and his deplorables are held accountable it will continue and mouth breathers like dingaling will continue to try and justify it.

#125 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-07 10:15 AM | Reply

"I'm much more interested in your answer to #117's last paragraph."

"Just answer the questions, BellRinger."

Well? What say you???

#126 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-07 10:39 AM | Reply

#98 You conflate rhetoric with coordination. As it pertains to the actual events of that day, all available evidence (so far) shows minimal coordination and planning.

Your stupidity doesn't dictate reality.

#97 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2021-10-06 09:09 PM |

Your stupidity, which is omnipresent, is just stupid.

#99 | Posted by BellRinger

The rhetoric was part of the coordination. You can't get a bunch of morons to riot for you without first filling their weak brains with lies. The rhetoric was step 1.

#127 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-07 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#114 The 2020 riots resulted in FAR more theft than 1/6.

#116 | Posted by BellRinger

What other pointless statistics can you dig up to sell your lie that marches for justice in policing were a bigger threat to the nation than riots to replace democracy with fascism?

#128 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-07 01:26 PM | Reply

Supporters of the child-raping orange --------- left 5 dead cops in their wake. End of story.

#129 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-10-07 07:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

These are the very same people who took glee in tormenting "others" when they were children. It must be very hard for them when the universe comes for them. I still remember my tormentors, and sometimes giggle as I check the local obituaries regularly. Most days I don't bother; but sometimes there's gold!

#130 | Posted by john47 at 2021-10-08 11:23 AM | Reply

#114 The 2020 riots resulted in FAR more theft than 1/6.

#116 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

And Jan 6 was an insurrection, not a riot.

It was an attempt to overthrow the government and install Trump as President.

END OF STORY

#131 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-10-08 11:29 AM | Reply

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