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Thursday, October 07, 2021

Details: According to the study, crime rates and renewable-energy production in both states are similar, although California spends more per capita on both police and green energy subsidies. The Lone Star State has lower income taxes, but higher property taxes and a lower percentage of insured residents. The Golden State has much higher income taxes and spends 60% more than Texas on a per-resident basis. California also spends more per K-12 student, but "student outcomes are if anything better in Texas," the study concludes. By the numbers: The biggest economic difference between the states is the overall cost of living. In California, 57.8% of houses cost more than $500,000. In Texas, that number is only 7.8%. Most homes here are under $200,000. What they're saying: "Both [states] have much to celebrate," the study's authors write. "Population and employment surged in Texas while California's

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Cutting to the chase: Money. The cost of living is much lower in Texas than in California. If you own a house in California it probably is worth more than $500,000. If you own a house in Texas it probably is worth less than $200,000. (So, basically, even if more people from Texas did want to move to California they could not afford it.)

#1 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-10-07 11:53 AM | Reply

I've got good friends in LA whose retirement plan is basically selling their house, and moving back to the midwest.

#2 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-07 11:56 AM | Reply

The Republicans in Texas are in a panic as they see that an increasing number of Texan voters no longer like Republican philosophies.

So what do the Texas Republicans try to do? Prevent those from voting who have a likelihood of not voting for Republicans.


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-07 12:26 PM | Reply

I find it interesting that California has much higher income taxes and much lower property taxes. Prop 13 really was a financial paradigm changer here. To make up for all the lost property tax revenue, income taxes leapt up sky high. This is precisely the type of tax policy that is designed to benefit the elderly on fixed incomes who bought their houses many decades earlier, and now would not be able to afford the astronomical tax amounts that would now be required if property taxes in the State were allowed to rise without limit sans Prop 13. Bottom line is, in the end the money has to come from somewhere.

#4 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-10-07 12:38 PM | Reply

Common knowledge for well over a decade. Sell your LA home, move to Houston. You get a new, bigger home, in an area where everything is new, and pocket several hundred thousand dollars in the process.

Housing supply growth here is relentless, #1 in the US. 2019 LA issued 13,000 new home build permits, Houston had 48,000 in 2019 and 57,000 in 2020. Same amenities for the most part, far less "public camping", great colleges, museums, medical centers, etc.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-07 12:47 PM | Reply

This is precisely the type of tax policy that is designed to benefit the elderly on fixed incomes who bought their houses many decades earlier, and now would not be able to afford the astronomical tax amounts that would now be required if property taxes in the State were allowed to rise without limit sans Prop 13. Bottom line is, in the end the money has to come from somewhere.

#4 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2021-10-07 12:38 PM | FLAG:

In Texas they simply cap your property tax value at 65. If the sale value appreciates that's fine, but you are taxed at the valuation that was there when you hit senior citizen age.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-07 12:49 PM | Reply

"The bottom line: The study is diplomatic about it, but people come to Texas because it's inexpensive relative to the rest of the country."

That's a reason I left California, but it's not the only reason, and it might not be the main reason:

California is full of flakes.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-07 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I find it interesting that California has much higher income taxes and much lower property taxes.

I don't.

A core tenant of "c-c-conservatism" is being duplicitous because your world view doesn't actually function as you claim.

They know they have to tax about the same amount overall to make sure things function, they just hide it and claim their way is superior because they manipulate the most in your face tax to be low while nickel and diming you on the back side.

Conservatism is a scam. Or at least the current brand is.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-07 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

People have been moving to Texas because that's where companies moved to.
Companies moved there because Texas did their best to make it "business friendly" - which means tax breaks, relaxed rules, and looking the other way.
Now companies are thinking this isn't such a good deal with more and more people saying they want out of Texas.
This latest insanity from Texas' GOP was just what was needed to make some rethink what the hell is going on.

People (like me) realized that property taxes and energy costs were outrageous and you got nothing for it, so I moved out a while ago.
I was so damn happy seeing Texas in my review mirror on my way out.

I bet I'm not alone, either.

#9 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-07 01:01 PM | Reply

If I were to leave California it would be to head for Oregon or Washington. The Pacific NorthWest is as beautiful as it gets, and even though prices are rising it is still less taxed then California. I have been to Texas and throughout the American South and all I can say is "no thank you". Though I will concede people tend to be very courteous in that part of the country, at least in a superficial way.

#10 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-10-07 01:15 PM | Reply

It's obviously plot by liberals to turn TX blue. /s

#11 | Posted by qcp at 2021-10-07 01:39 PM | Reply

#11 So is their anti-abortion law, considering blacks are far more likely to get an abortion.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-07 01:42 PM | Reply

@#12

If the Texas Republicans spent more time actually trying to represent their constituents, instead of focusing upon maintaining power, there would be a very different Texas today.

Which is probably why Texas Republicans are so desperately trying to cling to power via restrictive voting laws. Texas may have already turned blue, the Republicans are just trying to suppress it.

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-07 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The Lone Star State has lower income taxes, but higher property taxes and a lower percentage of insured residents.

Well Howdy Arabia knows how much money it needs to fund Governor Hot Wheels excellent adventure. Look for property taxes to go up to pay for his "wall" including the sections of Trampy's wall that fell down because of wind and water. Those "walls" aren't cheap especially when a good chunk of the cost per mile includes kickbacks to the governor, a hefty skim off the top for family members to "work" on the wall and then funding the re-election campaign donations.

#14 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-10-07 04:03 PM | Reply

"Student outcomes" in California depend entirely on where you live. Also, Prop. 13 is being taken advantage of primarily by commercial real estate.

#15 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-10-07 04:24 PM | Reply

"The Lone Star State has lower income taxes, but higher property taxes and a lower percentage of insured residents."

Apparent lack of proper research as the state of Texas has NO INCOME TAX.

FYI:
"The Texas Constitution forbids personal income taxes. Instead of collecting income taxes, Texas relies on high sales and use taxes. When paired with local taxes, total sales taxes in some jurisdictions are as high as 8.25%. Property tax rates in Texas are also high.Mar 19, 2021"

9 States With No Income Tax - SmartAssetsmartasset.com taxes states-with-no-income-tax<>

#16 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-10-07 09:52 PM | Reply

BTW:

Tesla is moving its headquarters to Austin, Texas, from Silicon Valley, CEO Elon Musk said Thursday during the company's annual shareholder meeting in the Austin area, where the company is building a factory. He stressed that Tesla will continue to expand in both California and Nevada, saying "we will continue to expand our activities in California. This is not a matter of Tesla leaving California. Our intention is to increase output from Freemont and giga-Nevada by 50%."

#17 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-10-07 09:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If I were to leave California it would be to head for Oregon or Washington."

Oregon is dump around Portland and a mix of bad traffic and ugly people near Hillsboro/Beaverton. The rest of the state is not half bad.

As for Washington, Seattle is basically Beloit, WI with more water and snow replaced with constant drizzle. Seattle looks like a run down factory overrun with homeless encampments and high prices for literally no reason. I can understand why people love the Pacific NW when you think of Vancouver - but Seattle and Portland are dumps.

"I have been to Texas and throughout the American South and all I can say is "no thank you". Though I will concede people tend to be very courteous in that part of the country, at least in a superficial way.
#10 | POSTED BY MODER8"

I don't think many would disagree. However, people leave CA due to the cost of living but also the living conditions. Public schools are horribly broken, every major city is crawling with homeless junkies, and the dimwits keep voting for more of the same. CA is undergoing mass 'de-gentrification' as the middle class flees and neighborhoods turn into crime infested wastelands. The rich people can still use gated communities to keep out the tent cities, needles, and human feces but the average people were left to fend for themselves.

If you don't mind winters, it is 100x better to live in St. Paul, MN than anywhere in CA. Your kids will get educated and the cold winters kill off or otherwise discourage the homeless. I would recommend WI as well, but if you want a corporate job, you are kinda out of luck. Also, I am saying this as a 20+ year CA resident. I will leave in the next 3-5 years unless Trump is elected and can turn the current state of things around.

And for those that say "good leave, you are too poor to live here" - well, I just laugh in your face. I have money - I can live comfortably anywhere and could probably buy and sell any poster on here about 5 times over. When people like me leave CA, the state feels the loss. Combine that with the fact that my loss will be offset by another vagrant moving here from outside the state to mooch off the state handouts and you have a recipe for disaster.

#18 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-08 04:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Such a hate-filled, bigoted, right-wing fantasy.

I will leave in the next 3-5 years unless Trump is elected and can turn the current state of things around.

LMAO! Trump the Savior. All hail Trump!

"Trump is back! The keeper of the light! (chanting) All hail Trump! All hail Trump! (singing to the tune of "The Star-Spangled Banner") Oh Trump, can you see, by the dawn's early light..."

#19 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-08 09:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Such a hate-filled, bigoted, right-wing fantasy.
#19 | POSTED BY YAV "

Where is the bigotry? Against junkies? Or human feces? Or are you offended the people in Oregon are ugly?

#20 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-08 09:53 AM | Reply

"I ... could probably buy and sell any poster on here about 5 times over."

Ah, our resident numberfluffer.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-08 11:00 AM | Reply

"Ah, our resident number-------.
#21 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

Ah, our resident gay porn -------.

#22 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-08 11:13 AM | Reply

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Strange hours you keep in California. You sure you're not posting from your Babushka's basement in Sankt Peterburg?

#23 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-08 11:16 AM | Reply

The above times converted to times in Saint Petersburg, Russia:

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What an interesting 8-5 job you have, "Skeptical."

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-08 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Strange hours you keep in California. You sure you're not posting from your Babushka's basement in Sankt Peterburg?
#23 | POSTED BY YAV"

Your Russia nonsense was debunked already - ask Sussman about that. He is preparing to pick up the soap in the prison shower as we speak.

#25 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-08 11:30 AM | Reply

#22

Once again, you're employing Skeptical Math, which, ftw, is when a poster makes up a number, and that number turns out to be off by 90% or more.

In this case, by 100%.

Where's that link to the Israeli study? Are you afraid the authors are going to specifically warn against your interpretation, like they did last time???

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-08 11:35 AM | Reply

#25 -A non-sequitur and unrelated to the subject and to what we objectively know to be true.
Ineffective deflection attempt.
Poor execution on all points.

#27 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-08 11:40 AM | Reply

"Where's that link to the Israeli study?
#26 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

www.medrxiv.org

#28 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-08 11:43 AM | Reply

"www.medrxiv.org"

Bwahahahahaha! Just as I thought. Once again, the authors themselves warn against idiots like you, speficially saying the following:

This study "should not be used to guide clinical practice".

Keep digging; your posts will start to echo on the way up.

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-08 11:56 AM | Reply

The only thing that study says is that if you test positive and take ivermectin, an anti-parasitic treatment, you have less viral load a day sooner. It doesn't say you get better, it doesn't say you avoid the hospital, it doesn't say it keeps you out of the hospital, it doesn't say it keep you from getting sick, it doesn't say it keeps you from dying.

In fact none of the above happened to the control/placebo group, either, according to the author.

The only difference was a lower viral load appeared to be present in the ivermectin group. There also is no data presented, only a cursory summary that doesn't lead to any way to really evaluate methods or procedures - in the experiment and in the data "analysis."

This is, so far, the worst presented pre-print I've seen on COVID/SARS-CoV-2 on MedRxiv.

This study "should not be used to guide clinical practice".
No wonder, and good on Danforth for posting that as a reminder.

#30 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-08 12:02 PM | Reply

#18 | Posted by Skeptical

Most people living in California do mind winters. One of the great draws there is the climate and sunshine. Minneapolis/St. Paul isn't a bad area but the winters are pretty brutal.

#31 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-10-08 12:03 PM | Reply

I will leave in the next 3-5 years unless Trump is elected and can turn the current state of things around.

You. Are. A. Cultist.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-08 12:04 PM | Reply

As far as Texas vs California on housing prices... Anywhere I have looked at moving to in Texas has been $350-400k home prices for comparables to what I live in here and my house is nothing special. Sub-200? Are you looking Lubbock or where? Any of the major cities are much higher. And Texas traffic around Dallas/Fort Worth, Houston and even Austin now is pretty bad and getting worse.

There is no doubt it is cheaper than California still but comparables to where I live here in California (45 minutes from the water) everything is north of $500k.

Honestly, the only thing I hate about where I live is the winters. Grey and just yuck. As I recall, Michigan is the most overcast state in the US during the winter. In the lower peninsula it usually isn't brutally cold but just bleh.

It's been around 10 years since I looked at either state seriously but I do look now and then.

The high income taxes in California really only hit people making $1 million and up as I recall. Otherwise they are mostly in line with other states. Michigan has pretty high income taxes - unless you are wealthy - but it isn't like Texas' zero. From what I have been told by people that moved there is that the cost of living is higher in Texas than Michigan. Sure somethings are higher and some are lower but taxes end up close to a wash. Everyone focuses on Income and property but Texas has a lot of higher regressive taxes (go figure).

#33 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-10-08 12:15 PM | Reply

Minneapolis/St. Paul isn't a bad area but the winters are pretty brutal.

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Pretty sure I wouldn't survive a winter in Minneapoli, but maybe a trend toward WFH could make it more habitable.

I think I could weather the seasons in Colorado, but places with "Lake Effect," are next level harsh.

#34 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-10-08 12:17 PM | Reply

Let's just be honest. After a couple of days, snow sucks.

#35 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-10-08 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Turn that -------- snowflake state blue.

#36 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-10-08 11:18 PM | Reply

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What an interesting 8-5 job you have, "Skeptical."

#24 | POSTED BY YAV

Yep.
He's one of Daddy Vlad's troll farmers. He gets paid in rubles and Vlad spunk which is usually dripping off his chin.

#37 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-10-09 05:49 PM | Reply

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