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Saturday, October 09, 2021

Some North Carolina state senators are calling for the resignation of North Carolina Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson, after video surfaced on social media this week in which the Republican says that "there's no reason anybody anywhere in America should be telling any child about transgenderism, homosexuality -- any of that filth."

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He was speaking at a church to a church group.

#1 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-09 01:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So what?

#2 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-10-09 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bigotry is ok in church? Wow.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-10-09 01:18 PM | Reply

Tor, take a bow.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-09 01:21 PM | Reply

Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion must be defended...regardless who doesn't like it.

Would love to be around in 50 years to see how the courts play this out.

Either Americans will be a bunch of muzzled people forbidden to speak out like the Chinese or people will just accept we all have a basic right to speak and believe what we want within legal guidelines.

Now...this guy being a Senator makes it little more complicated.

Is he trying to make laws or is he stating his opinions and beliefs in a religious setting?

#5 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-09 01:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

He was Lt Governor...not a senator...

#6 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-09 01:32 PM | Reply

If you talk crap be prepared to be called out on it. This has nothing to do with "freedom of speech" or "freedom of religion", you ------- moron.

#7 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-10-09 01:38 PM | Reply

"Is he trying to make laws or is he stating his opinions and beliefs in a religious setting?"

Both.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-09 01:39 PM | Reply

"Either Americans will be a bunch of muzzled people forbidden to speak out like the Chinese or people will just accept we all have a basic right to speak and believe what we want within legal guidelines."

"within legal guidelines."

Explain why China's legal guidelines muzzle China... but America's legal guidelines don't muzzle America.

Thanks.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-09 01:41 PM | Reply

#5

Wait did I miss where he was sentenced to a reeducation camp? Is he in jail for his comments? OMG was he executed for his comments? No? None of the above? So where was his freedom of speech or religion threatened?

#10 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2021-10-09 01:55 PM | Reply

Tao,

"where was his freedom of speech or religion threatened?"

People are calling for him to resign.

Keep in mind Robinson's comment was not exactly attacking transgendered people or homosexuals.

He was upset that children are being exposed to these subjects before they are even ready to discuss matters of sex, gender, etc.

Were it not for that, like has gone on for decades he might not have even brought it up.

Conservative Bible believing churches have considered these subjects "filth" for decades so why is anyone surprised.

Again, it's seeing children exposed to these topics that is causing him to speak out now.

#11 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-09 02:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#11

Calling for him to resign is not threatening freedom of speech. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences just freedom from government sanction.

Tell you what if you think freedom of speech means freedom from consequence why don't you go to a construction site and shout "Why are a bunch of illiterate -------- working in America, go back home you -------."

When you get out of the comma come back and explain the difference between freedom of speech and freedom from consequence.

#12 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2021-10-09 02:25 PM | Reply

#12

Coma of course not comma. I doubt there will be much of a pause before you are beaten unconscious.

#13 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2021-10-09 02:28 PM | Reply

Freedom of Speech allows you to say what you want without being arrested for it by the government. (except certain situations)

Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from the repercussions of your hateful, intolerant words.

Freedom of Religion protects your decision to practice the religion of your choice.

Freedom of religion shouldn't allow people to preach hate and intolerance from the pulpit.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-10-09 03:00 PM | Reply

"People are calling for him to resign."
BillJohnson

"Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion must be defended...regardless who doesn't like it."
Also BillJohnson

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-09 03:02 PM | Reply

Tao,

"Tell you what if you think freedom of speech means freedom from consequence"

I agree with you.

All actions have consequences or rewards.

People cry to the government to protect them from the consequences of a lifetime of bad decisions all the time.

#16 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-09 03:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"People cry to the government to protect them from the consequences of a lifetime of bad decisions all the time."

The way you phrased that is how conservatives ignore the fact that people don't always have good choices in front of them.

If you're rich, you get better choices than if you are poor.

And if you're white, you get better choices than if you are black.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-09 04:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And then, whey people make bad choices like saying "there's no reason anybody anywhere in America should be telling any child about transgenderism, homosexuality -- any of that filth" what happens?

You defend him because First Amendment.

You ever defend ACAB or BLM or CRT because First Amendment?

How do you not see how obvious it is what you're doing here?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-09 04:03 PM | Reply

Yes, I see all those billionaires crying to the government for tax breaks because of all the bad decisions they made. Shut up, tool.

#19 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-10-09 05:03 PM | Reply

@#11 ... Again, it's seeing children exposed to these topics that is causing him to speak out now. ...

"these topics" ?

What, exactly are "these topics" ? And as a bonus question, why should children not be exposed to "these topics" ?

thx.

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-09 07:48 PM | Reply

Flat out child abuse
Don't have a choice

Sounds like he was preaching about religion

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-09 08:11 PM | Reply

@#21 ... Flat out child abuse ...

I do not see that. I can see that is what he stated. But I do not see the rationale for the Lt Gov for stating that.

Can you elaborate?

thx.

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-09 08:18 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

I don't read anything you write.

See your name...skip over.

#23 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-09 08:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#21 ... Flat out child abuse ...
I do not see that. I can see that is what he stated. But I do not see the rationale for the Lt Gov for stating that.
Can you elaborate?
thx.
#22 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

If you listen to the video the guy says it is Flat Out Child Abuse to force your kids to attend and they don't have a choice..... schools.

Cause presumably he doesnt like that they teach tolerance and science behind trans and homosexual issues (what he calls filth).

I would argue that what he states applies better to religion, where children are forced to attend (per their parents) ie dont have a choice and are taught hatred, bigotry and ignorance. I would call that child abuse over attending schools.

#24 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-09 08:51 PM | Reply

@#24 ... the guy says it is Flat Out Child Abuse to force your kids to attend and they don't have a choice....

Thanks for the follow-up.

I disagree in "the guy's" appellation of child abuse to a political opinion.

That tends to trivialize the real child abuse that may occur.

"The guy" seems to be grasping at straws to justify his comments.

That aside...

This all boils down to how well he represents the people who put him into office.

Is this just yet another representation of the callous turn that politics in the Country has taken?


#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-09 09:47 PM | Reply

I think all sides have their views. His views are not liked by the libs. They want him out. Partisan?

If one of their own was filmed making
similar comments? Would they cry out for his removal?

Church is private life. I'm not religious AT ALL, but his words in context at church are not grounds for removal from public office.

No threats, no real hate speech, just disgust at children being exposed to gender awareness before he felt they were ready.

Do I agree with him? NO.

Do I think he should be sanctioned for ThoughtCrime for speaking his convictions in church,a private,non-state venue

No.

#26 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-10-09 09:54 PM | Reply

"No threats, no real hate speech"

Come on.
You don't have to say "I hate gay" for it to be hate speech.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-09 10:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#26 ... I think all sides have their views. His views are not liked by the libs. They want him out. ...

In my view, the question is, most important, where he is leading those he represents.

Secondarily, how do his views represent where the Country is going, and do we really want to go there.

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#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-09 10:08 PM | Reply

"Church is private life."

Umm no. Churches are open to the public. They also receive tax benefits and as such should remain neutral to politics. This is not a theocracy and web need to be continually on guard against that.

When the churches don't respect the tradition of the separation of church and state and lawmakers also step over that line the public has a right to object.

actions have consequences.

He should resign. Doesn't mean he will. Republicans rarely do what they should. Until forced.

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-09 10:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#29 ... actions have consequences. ...

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#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-09 10:30 PM | Reply

"Church is private life"

That's a flat-out lie. You're a liar.

#31 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-10-09 10:40 PM | Reply

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, ------------!

Have I got your attention? Do you believe in it?

If you do, church is private life. It only becomes state business in the machinations of governmental policy.

Get It?

#32 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-10-09 10:45 PM | Reply

---- off ------. You're a god-damn idiot.

#33 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-10-09 10:48 PM | Reply

Separation of Church and State means THE STATE doesn't establish A CHURCH. You run your mouth wherever you are you get to be tied to it. Moron.

#34 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-10-09 10:49 PM | Reply

It means the state is secular in organization and execution of policy. It doesn't mean particular members of the executive or legislative branches,or judges,have to be any religion,or none at all.

It means the state doesn't make openly religious decisions on policy. It doesn't mean that representives of the public have no opinions or only "correct" opinions on religious matters.

Their opinions are PRIVATE.

Their leadership is in line with their constituents beliefs, or not.

#35 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-10-09 10:56 PM | Reply

Where'd you get your law degree, fool? Cracker Jack box?

#36 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-10-09 10:59 PM | Reply

Representitive government is messy. People's fee fees get hurt. The guy doesn't have to share my views, or yours, theoretically his views should match those of his constituents and they are the ones to remove him if his doesn't match their views,or values.

I don't like bigotry. But freedom allows for it at times. I would rather deal with open dissent and expression of belief than push it underground to become far more corrosive and destructive.

Differing opinions on matters of real import are the test of a free society.

#37 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-10-09 11:11 PM | Reply

"Tor, take a bow"

?? What did I do?

Does this have anything to do with my demonstrating poop noodles to you?

#38 | Posted by Tor at 2021-10-09 11:59 PM | Reply

"poop noodles"

Ivermectin user?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 02:26 AM | Reply

No the phrase is pronounced poop noodles.

#40 | Posted by Tor at 2021-10-10 10:05 AM | Reply

"Their opinions are PRIVATE."

IF they keep them to themselves. But churches are open to the public.

IF they open their mouths and make it PUBLIC then it's not PRIVATE anymore.

If it was PRIVATE then I wouldn't know about it.

He was privately an idiot until he opened his mouth and proved he was an idiot.

You know. Like you just did.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-10 11:24 AM | Reply

If his actions go no further, is he suffiently beyond the pale to be removed? Honest question.

Is the mere statement of offensive opinions enough to warrant his removal from office?

How do you explain Trump? Total ------------- racist. Not at all circumspect about offensive and destructive beliefs.

Yet he won high office and is still not being charged for obvious and numerous crimes against the nation.

What we have here is a conundrum.

The Dems aren't going after Trump much at all at this point.

He's likely to try to be re-elected.

Why aren't they moving against him if he's such a danger to our system?

Do they really believe that? If so what's keeping them from going after him?

They control two branches of government.

#42 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-10-10 11:43 AM | Reply

I'll give you a hint. His constituents scare the pants off of them and they are afraid to move against him. That and they don't want payback from the repubs when they lose majorities in Congress, and the presidency.

If the electorate is racist and homophobic they elect similar representitives.

That's how our system was designed. It's a feature, not a bug.

Take your arguments to the founders.

They created the system, not me.

I personally hate homophobic and racist repression. If I lived in NC I would not vote for this -------.

But I don't, and apparently the people who do are Ok with it. At least enough to get him elected.

Elections have consequences. If enough of his constituents are offended, they will show him the door.

#43 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-10-10 12:02 PM | Reply

"If his actions go no further, is he suffiently beyond the pale to be removed? Honest question."

Blah blah blah ...

I am beginning to think your questions aren't so "honest".

And Tor I believe he wants you to take a bow for the wonderful things your fellow religulous say and do.

#44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-10 12:28 PM | Reply

No answer then. I guess it's too tough. I personally do not agree with this fellow. Our system is representitive, he's representing some or most of his constituents, the system is working as intended.

What would you change?

I don't approve, I'm one person and not being represented by him so I have no standing to force his removal.

Do you think people with no standing should be allowed to remove other people's representives on whims, or even substantive grounds?

Free societies are messy and often not as tolerant of minorities as they could be.

Our world is not perfect. What would you honestly change here?

#45 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-10-10 12:39 PM | Reply

"What would you honestly change here?"

Christians needs to stay in their lane, and not decide for America what's best for America.

Republicans should not have used them as political pawns. Hmmm perhaps sheep is a better analogy.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I agree completely. However Christian's are a major part of our population, and they are represented proportionately. If we want to prevail we must turn out in greater numbers than they do. Mostly in local and off year elections the libs are too busy getting high to take care of business. Our commitment to local governance and follow through is weak.

The religulous turn out more consistently, they vote more reliably in more elections.

We need to get some of their discipline.

Then we can shut them up. As I also would prefer.

#47 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-10-10 02:13 PM | Reply

Bill Johnson is so predictable in his comments that he could just post his name without any comments and we'd still know exactly what he is trying to say.

#48 | Posted by danni at 2021-10-11 08:57 AM | Reply

#45

I am represented by him despite not having voted for him. Fortunately in NC the Lt. Gov. is basically a dress position so he can't really do much harm.

#49 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2021-10-11 09:33 AM | Reply

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