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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Sunday, October 10, 2021

Many in rural America aren't vaccinated because two pernicious forces -- the implosion of the rural health care system and the decay of local news -- have left them with limited sources of information.

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Fire Fauci and come clean about vaccine and mask effectiveness would go a long way. People know when they're being lied to.

#1 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-10 09:52 AM | Reply

People know when they're being lied to.

#1 | POSTED BY VISITOR

You're the liar. A vicious one. Few people can claim their lies actually kill people. Congratulations. Did you help knock off a few family members?

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-10 09:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

How effective are the vaccines? Initially they were reported to be be in 90s. If that's the case, why mandate masks? Why discount natural immunity when using authotarian power to mandate vaccination and mask wearing? Fauci may be a Democrat hero, but he's toxic and needs to go.

#3 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-10 10:19 AM | Reply

#3 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

This is an argument you've lost. You lost it a long time ago. It makes you look like who you are, someone who wants your neighbors killed.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-10 10:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It's the paste-eating MAGAts who are going in droves. Good riddance.

#5 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-10-10 10:24 AM | Reply

"If that's the case, why mandate masks?"

Because this is mainly passed via water droplets in the air.

It's basic science.

A year and a half, and you still don't get this???

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-10 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

People know when they're being lied to.

You don't. That's clear. You can't even tell when you're being lied to and when you're being told the truth. You and a whole lot of people across the U.S. and it is one hell of a threat to our Constitutional Republic. Fox News is lying to you. Facebook is lying to you. Your sources for "information" are lying to you.

And you choose to believe them and their lies. This is on you.

#7 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-10 10:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Why discount natural immunity"

Didn't work for 700,000 dead Americans, did it?

#8 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-10-10 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"If that's the case, why mandate masks?"

Because dopes like you didn't get vaccinated, idiot.

#9 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-10-10 10:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keep spouting dogma, don't question the inconsistencies, don't remember the reversals and backtracking. A lie told for our own good is still a lie. Fauci has done nothing to build trust and in practice has done just the opposite. A political hack, he politicized the pandemic, his time should be over.

#10 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-10 10:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

don't question the inconsistencies

#10 | POSTED BY VISITOR

Deal with your own inconsistencies, you trolling idiot.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-10 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

he politicized the pandemic

#10 | POSTED BY VISITOR

That was Trump, the GOP, and pro-COVID personages such as yourself.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-10 10:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I personally know two people currently on the verge of death due to COVID. Thank God they are no one close to me. They are intubated and taking up space needed for patients with preventable issues. What they have in common was resistance to masks and a refusal to get vaccinated.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-10 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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#14 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-10-10 11:41 AM | Reply

Removing Fauci would go some way to restore trust. Do you support that, or would you rather continue to damn the vaccine reluctant?

#15 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-10 12:04 PM | Reply

I do not support that.
It won't restore trust at all.
You will find something else to lie about. Another scapegoat. Another demand. Another fraud you'l perpetrate. Another person you'll seek to destroy for going against what you want to believe, no matter the truth.
You are being used, nonstop, fed lie after lie.
And you love it. You demand it.

#16 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-10 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Visitor_ - are you vaccinated? Yes or no.

#17 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-10 12:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As a member of the at risk population over 60, I recieved two injections of the Pfizer vaccine as soon as it became available. If that is what is meant by vaccinated, then I am. Rules keep changing.

#18 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-10 12:28 PM | Reply

Here is a video that explains why rural folks question medical professionals.
www.youtube.com

#19 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-10 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Removing Fauci would go some way to restore trust."

For you retarded trumpers maybe.

Arresting Trumpy and jailing the insurrectionists who ransacked our capital would go a hell of a lot farther at restoring my trust.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-10 12:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Then why complain about the unvaccinated? You don't care about them and they pose little risk to you.

#21 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-10 12:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Then why complain about the unvaccinated? You don't care about them and they pose little risk to you.

#21 | POSTED BY VISITOR

They pose a risk to those who require medical resources denied to them because the anti-vaxxers volunteered to catch COVID. They pose a continuing risk to the economy and the livelihood of millions.

Do I care about them? Sure. But they make me angry and any person sufficiently determined to kill themselves will do so despite anyone's caring.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-10 12:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Fire Fauci and come clean about vaccine and mask effectiveness would go a long way. People know when they're being lied to.

#1 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Except there is no lie, just ignorant idiots who try to get around the fact that reality doesn't square with their garbage opinions.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-10 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Said this before, will say it again.
If it's Trump Loving and Ignorance Loving
Conspiracy Nuts dying, let them.

They are a waste of good oxygen meant for
better people.

#24 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-10-10 01:26 PM | Reply

Nothing can be done.

Thoughts and prayers.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-10-10 01:42 PM | Reply

How effective are the vaccines?
#3 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Good enough for you to make them the enemy of the perfect, Visitor_

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"restore trust."

Such BS.
You can't restore trust in something you never trusted in the first place.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 01:52 PM | Reply

Then why complain about the unvaccinated? You don't care about them and they pose little risk to you.
#21 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Why complain about illegal immigrants? They pose little risk to you.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 01:54 PM | Reply

How effective are the vaccines?
#3 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

You don't already know?

If you are just coming here to find that out no wonder you are such an ignoramASS.

This is not the place to get information on the effectiveness of a vaccine.

Then why complain about the unvaccinated? You don't care about them and they pose little risk to you.
#21 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Why does anyone care about anyone on this planet? It's called COMPASSION. And also the fact that folks like you are not helping us recover from a pandemic concerns us deeply.

The fact that you have to ask WHY people should care shows you how deep your lack of understanding and empathy for others goes.

Sorry we can't help you there. You obviously need professional mental health treatment. This is just a political blog.

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-10 02:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Does Fauci still recomend double masks? Does he still deny the existence of natural immunity from recovery? How much risk to others does someone without symptoms that's vaccinated or has natural immunity pose? Does he still mandate masks in that case too?

#30 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-10 02:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Do we still need to send the water police to arrest lone surfers?

#31 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-10 02:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The best thing about covid is, at this point, it's mainly killing off Republicans.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-10-10 02:37 PM | Reply

Maybe we really do need to bring back the fairness doctrine.

#33 | Posted by Tor at 2021-10-10 02:54 PM | Reply

You claim to care but don't want to recognize that Fauci has damaged the credibility of the medical community and has become a focal point of mistrust.

#34 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-10 02:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

You claim to care but don't want to recognize that Fauci has damaged the credibility of the medical community and has become a focal point of mistrust.

#35 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-10 02:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Fauci has damaged the credibility of the medical community"
According to whom?
As best I can tell, this only affects Deplorables.

"has become a focal point of mistrust."
Much in the way the Jews became a focal point of mistrust in Germany, 1933.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Fauci has damaged the credibility of the medical community and has become a focal point of mistrust."

Is there a trusted voice of reason you'd like to hold up as a counterexample to Fauci?
???
No.

Fauci is just your scapegoat for what the entire medical community is telling you.

But since you realize you can't win that battle, you decide it's just Fauci who has gone mustang.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I gather from all non-sequitur comments I'm the only one that read the attached article.

#38 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-10 03:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You're one of the millions of Deplorables fueling the mistrust, Visitor_

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 03:05 PM | Reply

You supported the policies and politicians that led hospitals to divest from rural America, Visitor_. Here's how:

You don't think health care should be a human right. You think health care should be for profit. And there's more profit in the cities.

So, are you vaccinated or not? Or are you too ----------- to answer?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Fauciphiles are all vaccinated. At this point he is doing more harm than good. Thank him and send him on his way. You want people to get vaccinated don't you?

#41 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-10 03:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

See above. I got 2 Pfizer shots, but you would have to ask Fauci if that still counts as vaccinated.

#42 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-10 03:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Why'd you get vaccinated if Fauci has not credibility?
???

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 03:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sure seems like you're the one without credibility, Visitor_.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 03:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Does he still deny the existence of natural immunity from recovery?

Never happened.

Just because you don't understand the nuances of the conversation doesn't mean they don't exist.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-10 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey Visitor_,

Thanks for answering.

Who did you have faith in, when you decided to get vaccinated?

That might be good to know. Maybe that would convince others who don't trust Fauci.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 03:34 PM | Reply

"Does he still deny the existence of natural immunity from recovery?"

Do you still believe in Kellyanne's "Alternate Facts" and Trumpy's Alternate Universe. You know the one ... where the covid virus just disappeared (like magic)?

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-10 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As a member of the at risk population over 60, I recieved two injections of the Pfizer vaccine as soon as it became available. If that is what is meant by vaccinated, then I am.
Then you are.
Thanks for answering.

Rules keep changing.
The rules haven't changed. You obsess on stupid ---- because you've been told it means something and it gives you a reason to hate.
That's all the right is these days.
Hate looking for something else to hate.

The lies are about Fauci, COVID, Ivermectin, and they have gotten out of control. Thanks to those lies and misinformation we're not at a point where we can open up. Thanks to the Delta variant, we had to retrench a bit, but would asshats that won't get vaccinated and won't wear a mask help us all? Oh hell no. They are idiots screaming "Freedumb!" and clogging up on hospitals killing people that are having heart attacks, strokes, or have had accidents.

You brought up double-masking. What in the world do you think the "win" was in getting people to double-mask, other than saving lives? Why in the world do you think that that was a lie? Honestly I can't begin to understand how your brain works. I really can't.

We do the best we can with the information we have. The chronology and the basis for each action recommended is logical and consistent. If you think lying was going on, then explain just what the hell the benefit of those lies was for. Why?

As far as the lies you're being told we know damn well what the political benefit is for spreading them. We also know the terrible price for spreading and believing those lies. That's crystal clear.

So show me. Show me what the political gain is for all this "lying" you said Fauci did. Post it. I want to read it. Thanks.

#48 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-10 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I gather from all non-sequitur comments I'm the only one that read the attached article.

#38 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

I read the article and understood it.

Did you? Because I don't think you understood it. Show us in the article you supposedly read where Fauci supposedly is the problem.

Fauci is not the problem. The problem you and your lack of comprehension. And lack of access to health care thanks to Republicans. And because of quacks like Trumpy and his deplorables (like you) spreading misinformation.

FTA
"Many in rural America aren't vaccinated because two pernicious forces " the implosion of the rural health care system and the decay of local news " have left them with limited sources of information. That has allowed them to become prey to misinformation and overconfident quacks."

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-10 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Rules keep changing."

I know. And not just for COVID-19. They even made a rule just for Tom Brady.

Perhaps you should learn how to adapt to change, and stop acting like a child despite the fact that your body has changed into the body of a man.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 04:21 PM | Reply

I gather from all non-sequitur comments I'm the only one that read the attached article.

Says the guy who started with a non sequitur comment....

In any case, I don't buy it. We are not all equally to blame.

Some of us voted for medicaid/medicare expansion in our states. Some of our states refused to do so anyway.

WE are not responsible for our profit driven healthcare system that is entrenched and largely floated by "c-c-conservative" lawmakers fighting every possible change.

WE have not turned "media" into cesspits of lies, filth and dishonesty.

WE are not a cult of personality pushing for the return of a man who continually undercut COVID responses and public health officials because he preferred rosy outlooks that he could sell for reelection.

WE have not fought tooth and nail against every single mitigation measure because we think that our high school level biology knowledge is sufficient to be properly informed.

So stuff it. Rural, red America has bought their own rural, red America problems.

#51 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-10 04:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

the subject of COVID:
New York Times Forced to Admit It Inflated Number of Children Hospitalized by COVID to 14 Times Higher Than Reality
thefederalistpapers.org

The Dem 'major' media [NYT, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc.] News you can trust = only if you are a libbie dem who is incapable of fact checking for the actual reality.

#52 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-10-10 05:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Think you got the wrong link there, sport.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 05:27 PM | Reply

The right needs a scapegoat for their horrible response to covid19..and Fauci was thrown under the bus, along with throwing blame at China.

If they want to eat horse paste I'm ok with it... elections have been too close lately and I appreciate the country folk thinning their own numbers.

#54 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2021-10-10 05:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#52 - that's not what that link says. Not that I'd believe anything that piece of ---- source says.

thefederalistpapers.org - NewsGuardwww.newsguardtech.com 2021 The...PDF
Jan 13, 2021 " A conservative political website that has published inaccurate and unsubstantiated claims, including about COVID-19 and the 2020 U.S. election.

During the COVID-19 pandemic, The Federalist published many pieces that contained false information or pseudoscience that was contrary to the recommendations of public health experts and authorities.[5] While ballots were being counted in the 2020 United States presidential election, The Federalist made false claims that there had been large-scale election fraud.[6][7]

www.newyorker.com
en.wikipedia.org(website)

#55 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-10 05:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I saw Fauci wear two masks. Was that a deep fake? Did he do that because of science or theater?

I see confliction here do you want the deplorables to vaccinate or not?

#56 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-10 06:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The best way to improve vaccination rates is to put Trump in jail until we hit 90%.

He also deserves jail for his atrociously bad leadership.

Win win.

#57 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-10 06:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I see confliction here do you want the deplorables to vaccinate or not?"

I'll ask again, because I think this really gets to the heart of the matter:
What convinced your mean-spirited glass-half-empty Deplorable ass to get vaccinated?

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 06:27 PM | Reply

This is what you get when you get your "news" from Faux Spews, Facebook and YouTube.

#59 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-10-10 06:50 PM | Reply

I thought I answered that. I'm in a high risk age group.

#60 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-10 06:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I saw Fauci wear two masks. Was that a deep fake? Did he do that because of science or theater?

He did it because it makes sense for those that are concerned, and it's better than taking an N95 mask from a health care worker or first responder. He himself double-masked before, during, and immediately after his second vaccination. I think that's relevant. Also he wore a cloth mask that was cook looking, but not as good as a medical procedure mask, which is what he wore under the cloth mask.

"If you have a physical covering with one layer, you put another layer on, it just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective and that's the reason why you see people either double masking or doing a version of an N95,"

He also cited the CDC recommendations that do not include double-masking. This is a critical review of the entire thing, though this whole "deep fake, science, theater" is incredibly childish and nonsensical. That you and other people think this is something significant is just stunning to me.

www.newsweek.com

#61 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-10 07:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

that was cool looking

#62 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-10 07:04 PM | Reply

"I'm in a high risk age group."

How did Big Pharma get you to believe that high risk age groups exist?

Would you have gotten the vaccine if you were half your age?

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 07:04 PM | Reply

dear trumpers, please notice when someone is trying to make you angry. It is your drug. You are an addict. I am not joking.

#64 | Posted by Brennnn at 2021-10-10 08:02 PM | Reply

Hmmm ... I wonder why people don't just shut up and trust our political class now?

Maybe it is because of:
1.) Kamala saying she would not trust the vaccine in her debate
2.) The experts' claiming that lab leak theories were conspiracies
3.) Peter Daszak getting a group of experts' to write to the Lancet to debunk the lab leak theory without disclosing what they knew of the research going on or their financial interest
4.) The CDC saying masks were not helpful " only to flip later and say that 1 mask is great, 2 masks are even better.
5.) Politicians crushing local businesses while they allow those same businesses to open for them " hair appointments for Pelosi and Lightfoot
6.) Somehow Costco is deemed safer than any mom and pop shops that are forced to shut down
7.) Ridiculous out-door dining' restrictions in NYC where they have constructed fully enclosed dining spaces (some 2 story) on the street while dining inside is unsafe'
8.) Dining in CA is deemed unsafe, except for Newsome at the French Laundry
9.) Dining in LA is shut down while catering on Hollywood sets continues on the same street
10.) Large gatherings result in death so don't see your friends and family for holidays or 4th of July ... ..but BLM riots, BLM marches, and Joe Biden inauguration are perfectly fine
11.) Fauci caught straight up lying up Gain of Function research he funded in WIV
12.) Mass shortage of ventilators and medical centers needed urgently in LA and NYC " except, they weren't.
13.) Unvaccinated kill people " except for unvaccinated and covid positive illegals pouring across the border " they pose no risk
14.) MSM demonizing of any alternative treatment for covid that is non-patent protected
15.) The average age of covid deaths is 6-7 years higher than the US life expectancy
16.) Sweden defeated covid without a single lock down
17.) US health experts' told is "2 weeks to flatten the curve" which they extended for 18 months

And probably most importantly for me, I don't know anyone under 50 that I would consider to have been in good health that died from covid. I know a lot of people that had it, none that died from it. So, it is largely a threat for a small segment of the population that could have been protected much more easily.

And the people have rebelled. Full stadiums again this weekend. Fauci has lost all credibility as has the MSM with their continuous talk of covid Armageddon. Time for the libs to emerge from their basement bunkers and resume life.

#65 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-10 08:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Maybe it is because of:

Spreaders of misinformation and lies, like YOU.

#66 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-10 09:02 PM | Reply

"Spreaders of misinformation and lies, like YOU.
#66 | POSTED BY YAV "

I posted 17 points above - which one is misinformation? Pelosi and Lightfoot didn't get caught getting their hair done? MSM didn't say it was okay to go out and riot or attend the Biden inauguration? Illegals are being forced to vaccinate and quarantine before being let into the US? Daszak didn't conspire to write a knowingly false letter published in the Lancet? Fauci didn't get caught lying about Gain of Function in Wuhan? The CDC didn't tell people not to mask? Kamala didn't say she wouldn't take the vaccine?

Be specific here....

#67 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-10 09:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Remember when Trump was at his own Trump rally and he suggested to his audience of Trumpers that get the vaccine. And then the Trumpers booed Trump for suggesting that the Trumpers should do what Trump did.

According to Trumpers, that is Kamala Harris's fault.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 09:09 PM | Reply

#67 - I'm not bothering with your nonsense, nor am I going to jump through hoops for you. Anyone of any actual intelligence and isn't ignorant knows the truth. You are, as always, full of ---- and a liar.

You come here every day and lie, lie, lie, and lie. You misrepresent things. You twist things. You are responsible for spreading misinformation. the same misinformation that has led to people dying from COVID. Like your ridiculous Ivermectin claims - all based on a fraud. There's an entire thread on that, by the way. DIdn't see you on it.

So no, I'm not bothering with you and refuting each point. Anyone with any sense can see right through that --------.

#69 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-10 09:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

What does "experts' claiming that lab leak theories were conspiracies"

What does that have to do with the efficacy of a vaccine developed by Pfizer or Moderna?

Hardly worth debating with you insurrectionists.

It's all just bits and pieces cherry picked taken out of context and designed for misinformation and disinformation and deflections. Your intention does not appear designed to help and inform but to divide and confuse and sow chaos.

#70 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-10 09:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I posted 17 points above - which one is misinformation?"

LOL.

I see that there are seventeen trees. But where is this forest everyone keeps talking about?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 09:53 PM | Reply

President Donald Trump has repeatedly lied about the coronavirus pandemic and the country's preparation for this once-in-a-generation crisis.
Here, a collection of the biggest lies he's told as the nation endures a public-health and economic calamity. This post will be updated as needed.
www.theatlantic.com

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 09:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't know anyone under 50 that I would consider to have been in good health that died from covid.

#65 | POSTED BY SKEPTICAL

Learned of a young man less than twenty-five who died of COVID today.

He was never sick a day in his life before he died.

#73 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-10 10:11 PM | Reply

continuous talk of covid Armageddon.

#65 | POSTED BY SKEPTICAL

It's 700,000 American dead and counting, you morbid America-hating troll.

#74 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-10 10:13 PM | Reply

"#67 - I'm not bothering with your nonsense, nor am I going to jump through hoops for you. Anyone of any actual intelligence and isn't ignorant knows the truth.
#69 | POSTED BY YAV "

LOL. You are unable to state a single thing I posted above is untrue. Yet, you are angry at me for posting the truth. That is why people find liberals to be disgusting individuals.

You see - we don't have a political divide in this country between 'liberals' and 'conservatives'. We have a divide between the 'authoritarians' and 'freedom'.

You liberals used to understand freedom - now, you demand conformity and do not accept any questioning of your dogma and hate - and I mean absolutely HATE - having your contradictions thrown back in your stupid faces.

Which makes it all the more funny. I post 17 points above - all 100% true. But, it lays bare your authoritarian arguments and you don't know how to deal with it. Me stating that the MSM excused people to gather for BLM marches, Biden inauguration, or Obama B-Day parties while demonizing Trump rallies, Sturgis, or 4th of July BBQs makes your authoritarian religion seem ridiculous - every bit as ridiculous as someone pointing out to a Mormon that their magic underwear is just underwear.

Some day, sanity will be restored.

#75 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-10 10:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Learned of a young man less than twenty-five who died of COVID today.
He was never sick a day in his life before he died.
#73 | POSTED BY ZED"

'Learned of' - not personally knew as I stated above. Of course, for a basement bunker loser like yourself hiding from your neighbors, it is not common for you to know ANYONE so this is hardly surprising. Do 25 year old perfectly healthy people die from covid? Yes. It is a such a low rate people should just get on with their lives? Yes. Unless you want to control everyone's freedom to stop something with a 0.0001% chance death.

#76 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-10 10:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Unless you want to control everyone's freedom to stop something with a 0.0001% chance death.

Please list a single number that is the total number of COVID deaths that have happened for 25 year olds that are healthy. I'd like to do the calculation once you do. Also provide the citation for that information.

#77 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-10 11:03 PM | Reply

"Unless you want to control everyone's freedom to stop something with a 0.0001% chance death."

Your math works out to... 300 Americans have died of COVID-19.

Did you have to go to college to learn how to be this dumb?

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-10 11:25 PM | Reply

"Please list a single number that is the total number of COVID deaths that have happened for 25 year olds that are healthy. I'd like to do the calculation once you do. Also provide the citation for that information.

#77 | POSTED BY YAV "

Total covid deaths for people aged 18-29 is 3,700 - that is ~300 people aged 25 in total.

How many of the 300 people were perfectly healthy vs. co-morbidities? We don't know as the CDC will not provide this information except to say that more than 90% of all covid deaths have 2 or more co-morbidities. If we combine those - that would be ~30 perfectly healthy 25 year olds in a country of 330M people that have died from covid despite being perfectly healthy. What are your odds of knowing that person?

#79 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-10 11:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Lady Rona just offed another unvaxxed right wing ---------.

www.idahopress.com

"Pete was a very healthy 67. He would tell people he was vaccinated in Christ. He didn't fear death," Colley wrote. LOL

#80 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-10-11 12:20 AM | Reply

Only a sociopath could look at the third leading cause of death, that's killed more Americans than all our soldiers who have died in all our wars, and say it goes against my freedoms to have to take the vaccine against it.

You'd truly have to think your freedom to spread disease is worth more than 733,575 American lives.

These are the people who don't mind gun violence either.

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-11 12:29 AM | Reply

""Pete was a very healthy 67.
#80 | POSTED BY REINHEITSGEBOT "

Ah - he is 67 years old. There is no such thing as a very healthy 67 year old. Compared to other 67 year old people, Pete may have been healthy - but he is not when compared to someone under 45. The covid morbidity clearly bares that out.

#82 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-11 12:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"There is no such thing as a very healthy 67 year old."

It's even less of a thing when his community isn't vaccinated.

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-11 12:32 AM | Reply

"Only a sociopath could look at the third leading cause of death, that's killed more Americans than all our soldiers who have died in all our wars, and say it goes against my freedoms to have to take the vaccine against it
#81 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

To take a vaccine? My body my choice. However, it is unconscionable for the US government to allow a flood of illegals with a 30% covid positive rate with variants from outside the US to invade our local communities at taxpayer expense.

#84 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-11 12:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

@ Visitor in his home language.

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, !

#85 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-10-11 01:21 AM | Reply

Really, Russian is now banned here?

#86 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-10-11 01:23 AM | Reply

"To take a vaccine? My body my choice."

Again, only a sociopath would make the choices that have led to 733,575 dead Americans.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-11 01:28 AM | Reply

"Immigrants carry disease"

It sound better in the original German.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-11 01:31 AM | Reply

""To take a vaccine? My body my choice."
Again, only a sociopath would make the choices that have led to 733,575 dead Americans.
#87 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

You are referring to the yearly abortion total in the US? Yes, only sociopaths would accept 'my body, my choice' when it comes to ending another person's life.

#89 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-11 01:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

""Immigrants carry disease"
It sound better in the original German.
#88 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Better tell those Nazis over at NBC. They noticed the trend as well. So, the question is - why is the US knowingly releasing covid positive people into the interior of the US without any quarantine and without any forced vaccination - yet, they want to force the vaccination on our own citizens?

Maybe Snoofy or 'Squirts' Danfroth can come explain why the US would be adopting this policy under Biden when covid is such a critical worry....

www.nbcnews.com
WASHINGTON " More than 18 percent of migrant families and 20 percent of unaccompanied minors who recently crossed the U.S. border tested positive for Covid on leaving Border Patrol custody over the past two to three weeks, according to a document prepared this week for a Thursday briefing with President Joe Biden.

#90 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-11 01:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Border Patrol custody"

Strange way to "invade our local communities."

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-11 02:12 AM | Reply

"You are referring to the yearly abortion total in the US?"

You are trolling?

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-11 02:14 AM | Reply

Seeing as you brought up abortion, you said it should be legal.

Why do you think that? The way you talk about it, it's hard to understand why you'd want that to be legal.

Go ahead and explain yourself.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-11 02:17 AM | Reply

""Border Patrol custody"
Strange way to "invade our local communities."
#91 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

They illegally enter - a portion are actually apprehended by Border Patrol. Then, they are released with a request to show up for a future court date - this, despite the high covid positive rate. We currently have about 10M covid + people, that is ~3% positivity rate. The illegals are 6x+ more than that and are bringing foreign Biden-covid variants like Lambda and Mu.

Yet, you want to cry about your neighbor not wanting to get the vaccine. We may take your tears more seriously if you had any consistency in your whining.

#94 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-11 02:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The way you talk about it, it's hard to understand why you'd want that to be legal.
Go ahead and explain yourself.
#93 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

I give you mother's life in danger, rape, ------, genetic deformity - and by that I don't mean black skin like the liberals define it - but other than that, it should be murder. In the cases above, after you have a heartbeat, you should be forced to carry it to term. I am consistent.

#95 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-11 02:28 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I personally know two people currently on the verge of death due to COVID. Thank God they are no one close to me. They are intubated and taking up space needed for patients with preventable issues. What they have in common was resistance to masks and a refusal to get vaccinated.

#13 | Posted by Zed

My youngest sister - an evangelical, Pro-Trump gun nut - refused to wear a mask or get vaccinated. I urged her to do both since the pandemic began and after vaccines became available. She didn't take it seriously because Trump and the right wing bulls*** she listened to said she didn't need to.

- She died of COVID the end of August.

Like I've said of others, the cause of death on her death certificate should include "Stupidity."

#96 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-10-11 03:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Like I've said of others, the cause of death on her death certificate should include "Stupidity."
#96 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"

Another Liberal completely disconnected from his family. Do you ever wonder why no one wants to invite you over for dinner or get together for parties? You are such hate filled people.

I am curious, how old was your sister - did she have pre-existing conditions? Lastly, did she take ivermectin once she became infected?

My bet is that she is probably 50+, probably in poor health, and was given standard hospital care (water + rest) once she became infected. If that is the case, death is probably a 2% possibility. Everyone chooses their own path.

#97 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-11 05:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#97
Misses those dinner invites.

#98 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-10-11 06:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

"I am consistent."

Ralph Waldo Emerson was keenly aware of the problem.

#99 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-10-11 06:30 AM | Reply

"Learned of' - not personally knew as I stated above. Of course, for a basement bunker loser like yourself hiding from your neighbors, it is not common for you to know ANYONE so this is hardly surprising.

#76 | POSTED BY SKEPTICAL

I personally knew his dad, who was breaking down into sobs as he told me the news. I meet and come to know many, many people. Hundreds each year. I wouldn't tell you what I do for a living for a cool million.

You're a nasty piece of work.

#100 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-11 07:57 AM | Reply

"Many in rural America aren't vaccinated because two pernicious forces " the implosion of the rural health care system and the decay of local news " have left them with limited sources of information."

Thanks capitalism!

#101 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-10-11 08:00 AM | Reply

Except for the genuinely mentally ill and paranoid, and there seem to be more than we could have ever imagined, COVID-denier and vax/mask resisters are cynical and frankly evil personages on a mission to somehow make Trump look good after he hurt this country worse than Hitler did.

You are a disgusting human being, SKEPTICAL. A Trump fascist.

#102 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-11 08:02 AM | Reply

Hobgoblins. They're everywhere.

#103 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-11 08:09 AM | Reply

#103 - a response to #99, not to #100, #101, #102. Just to be clear.

#104 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-11 08:48 AM | Reply

I thought posting dishonest propaganda here violates the moderation policies but idiot visitor posts lies about vaccines with impunity?
I think he deserves at least a vacation.
His posts, if read by simpletons, are dangerous and should not be allowed.

#105 | Posted by danni at 2021-10-11 09:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

DANNI @visitor_: His posts, if read by simpletons, are dangerous and should not be allowed.
ME: Don't read my posts and you should be OK.

Please let me know what you find incorrect about my posts and I will retract any falsehoods. You are not the oracle of truth.

#106 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-11 09:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Please let me know what you find incorrect about my posts

#106 | POSTED BY VISITOR

You are corrected all the time, you insane SOB.

It is impossible to be a Trumpite and not be a liar.

#107 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-11 10:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#106 | POSTED BY VISITOR

You people get crushed on the facts CONSTANTLY, especially on COVID. But also on almost anything else, like election fraud.

You merely keep raising the same zombie arguments again and again and again.

Perhaps you are zombies, a form of living dead. Your souls and intellects sure seem dead. Given the chance, you'll burn out your neighbors.

#108 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-11 10:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Danni made a specific accusation that I posted something false on this thread and asked that I be banned.

You may disagree with what I've written, but since my posts are moderated under a different set of moderation rules, I have to be more careful you. Even when I've posted something demonstrably true I've been given a vacation, so tell me where I've posted something false on this thread.

#109 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-11 10:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

"but other than that, it should be murder."

Why the exception for rape?

Some woman got raped because of bad decisions she mads, so she get to murder her innocent child?

And likewise for deformity. Hey, innocent person, it's okay to murder you just because you're degormwd

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-11 10:39 AM | Reply

"In the cases above, after you have a heartbeat, you should be forced to carry it to term."

1. What's special about having a heartbeat? Why is it okay to murder a person before then.

2. "Forced." I thought you believed in freedom, but here you've decided the state should force women to stay pregnant at gunpoint no matter what.

How can you reconcile these egregious inconsistencies in your consistent position?

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-11 10:42 AM | Reply

There's nothing significant about a heartbeat - not that what's being detected is even a heartbeat at 6 weeks. They use it because of the emotionally laden connotation. The feelings associated with the heart. It's manipulation. Besides, kidneys kind of sit there quietly working, and the brain isn't particularly important to them; jasn.asnjournals.org

#112 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-11 10:52 AM | Reply

1.) Kamala saying she would not trust the vaccine in her debate
Misleading quote taken out of context.

2.) The experts' claiming that lab leak theories were conspiracies
Many "experts" say many things. The majority all agreed and I listened to them and you listened to them ... apparently

3.) Peter Daszak getting a group of experts' to write to the Lancet to debunk the lab leak theory without disclosing what they knew of the research going on or their financial interest

Misleading ... out of context has nothing to do with trust in science and the effectiveness of the virus

4.) The CDC saying masks were not helpful " only to flip later and say that 1 mask is great, 2 masks are even better.

Misleading.. out of context and normal conditions considering it was a NOVEL VIRUS.

5.) Politicians crushing local businesses while they allow those same businesses to open for them " hair appointments for Pelosi and Lightfoot
Misleading OOC has nothing to do with the efficacy of the virus mistakes are elevated by Trumpers as if they were proof.

6.) Somehow Costco is deemed safer than any mom and pop shops that are forced to shut down
Costco fooled health and safety rules strictly so they ARE safer. Which again has nothing to do with the efficacy of the virus

7.) Ridiculous out-door dining' restrictions in NYC where they have constructed fully enclosed dining spaces (some 2 story) on the street while dining inside is unsafe'

Mistakes elevated for partisan gain have nothing to do with the efficacy of the virus.

Beginning to see a pattern here.

And I am gonna stop here. Not going to refute everything Fox News spews out as proof of some nonsense a trumper dreams up.

Fact is in a pandemic human nature affects how successful we fight a virus. And some of humans are not responding very well. And so the virus took full advantage of the chaos and divisions being sown by you Trumpers. And you Trumpers are actually helping it for some weird reason.

Nearly a million dead Americans now because of Trumpy and his incompetence and criminal negligence.

You Trumpers must be so proud of your accomplishment. No wonder you defend it so vociferously.

#113 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-11 11:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

And you Trumpers are actually helping it (COVID) for some weird reason.

#113 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

In part, their attitude is simply a mark of group membership. Acceptance by the group is very, very important to them. Especially when Trump orthodoxy is so viciously enforced. Hell, even Trump can't tell them to get a vax now.

#114 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-11 11:37 AM | Reply

All fetuses are undocumented immigrants. Deport them.

#115 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-11 12:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#65 Quite the collection of MAGANazi propaganda you have there. All of it is misleading or a lie.

Maybe it is because of:
1.) Kamala saying she would not trust the vaccine in her debate
(if it was only recommended by Trump, she rightfully didn't trust Trump)
2.) The experts' claiming that lab leak theories were conspiracies
(lab leak speculations without any supporting facts, is a conspiracy theory)
3.) Peter Daszak getting a group of experts' to write to the Lancet to debunk the lab leak theory without disclosing what they knew of the research going on or their financial interest
(the people that knew the lab leak lie was a lie because of their inside knowledge)
4.) The CDC saying masks were not helpful " only to flip later and say that 1 mask is great, 2 masks are even better.
(Before Covid was widespread in the community, masks were not helpful, after learning how Covid was spread, masks were known to be effective)
5.) Politicians crushing local businesses while they allow those same businesses to open for them " hair appointments for Pelosi and Lightfoot
(Politicians protecting the public, but getting an exemption, half point here)
6.) Somehow Costco is deemed safer than any mom and pop shops that are forced to shut down
(Costco sells food)
7.) Ridiculous out-door dining' restrictions in NYC where they have constructed fully enclosed dining spaces (some 2 story) on the street while dining inside is unsafe'
(Some businesses abused regulations)
8.) Dining in CA is deemed unsafe, except for Newsome at the French Laundry
(Bad move by Newsome, but he was TOTALLY EXONARATED in the recall)
9.) Dining in LA is shut down while catering on Hollywood sets continues on the same street
(Outdoor catering is safer than indoor dining)
10.) Large gatherings result in death so don't see your friends and family for holidays or 4th of July ... ..but BLM riots, BLM marches, and Joe Biden inauguration are perfectly fine
(Indoor vs outdoor)
11.) Fauci caught straight up lying up Gain of Function research he funded in WIV
(You are lying, Fauci did not lie)
12.) Mass shortage of ventilators and medical centers needed urgently in LA and NYC " except, they weren't.
13.) Unvaccinated kill people " except for unvaccinated and covid positive illegals pouring across the border " they pose no risk
(Lie)
14.) MSM demonizing of any alternative treatment for covid that is non-patent protected
(MSM never demonized any proven treatment for Covid)
15.) The average age of covid deaths is 6-7 years higher than the US life expectancy
(Lie, that might be true for life expectancy at birth, but not at age of infection)
16.) Sweden defeated covid without a single lock down
(Lie, Sweden admitted its limited restriction approach didn't work)
17.) US health experts' told is "2 weeks to flatten the curve" which they extended for 18 months
(2 weeks did flatten the curve, and then the restrictions were relaxed until the next wave)

16 Lies out of 17. What kind of Fascist echo chamber do you get your news from?

#116 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-11 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Can you at least understand why people that already mistrust authority believe there is some "there there"? If you want to be trusted, transparency and complete honesty are needed.

#117 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-10-11 01:02 PM | Reply

The "there" there is a carnival barking con-man taking advantage of said general mistrust by lying about how extensive it is.

#118 | Posted by Corky at 2021-10-11 01:07 PM | Reply

Fire Fauci and come clean about vaccine and mask effectiveness would go a long way. People know when they're being lied to.
#1 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2021-10-10 09:52 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

WHO or WHAT has lied about mask and vaccine effectiveness? Talk about "coming clean"! ...
Has anyone ever said or written masks or the Covid vaccine are 100% effective? (protip: NO ONE HAS)

You were right about one thing though: I know when I'm being lied to. It's just that the lies are not coming from the sources you think they are.

#119 | Posted by e1g1 at 2021-10-11 01:08 PM | Reply

If you want to be trusted, transparency and complete honesty are needed.

Did you demand this of Trump? He didn't come close to meeting either of those criteria. Nowhere near. He was the opposite of both of those.

Biden's been transparent and up front. He barely exaggerates, though he occasionally does as does any human. How do you reward him for that? By trusting him?

I think you can see the problem with your statement. I hope you can. Can you?

#120 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-11 01:13 PM | Reply

I asked my MD/neonatal pediatrician wife about the Texas Abortion bill when it was passed, helpful to get her opinion because we...live in Texas.
Her response: "what the hell? There is no heartbeat at six weeks! Any sounds obtainable by stethoscope or ultrasound are blood pressure sounds from the mother traveling through the umbilical cord and being pushed through the tiny fetus."

But hey! Who does she think she is? Knowing more than Abbott and Paxton and Loeb/Goeb/Patrick/whatever? The nerve!

#121 | Posted by e1g1 at 2021-10-11 01:13 PM | Reply

"Can you at least understand why people that already mistrust authority believe there is some "there there"?"

Of course.

"If you want to be trusted, transparency and complete honesty are needed."

It takes two to tango.
In this case, the Trumpers refuse to dance.

Trump himself told Trumpers to get vaccinated.
They booed him.

If Trump can't reach Trumpers, then who can?
The answer is nobody can.

Why can't you acknowledge that?
Because you want to blame the libs for what Trump and Trump's useful idiots have given birth to.

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-11 01:17 PM | Reply

What kind of Fascist echo chamber do you get your news from?

#116 | POSTED BY BORED

Fox Spews.

Where everyone is mandated to be vaccinated and where everyone is mandated to spread misinformation about the virus and the public health requirements needed to defeat it.

#123 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-11 01:26 PM | Reply

Q:"If Trump can't reach Trumpers, then who can?

The answer is nobody can."

I am beginning to believe that is true. If you watched the interviews with Trumpers at the most recent Trumpy rally you would see they cannot be reached by normal means.

I suggest maybe a nice crisp sharp slap across the face to wake them up?

Nearly a million Americans have died so far due to chaos and division being created and sowed by Trumpy and his Deplorables.

How many American deaths are enough to wake up these traitors?

#124 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-11 01:31 PM | Reply

And

Apparently the hundreds of thousands of deaths they have caused by their criminal incompetence in dealing with the pandemic are not enough.

Now the fools are threatening even more death, destruction and suffering with a "civil war".

Jan 6th was just a trial run.

#125 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-11 01:36 PM | Reply

It's finally come home. Politics is a lot like driving. The slow ones go right.

#126 | Posted by BBQ at 2021-10-11 03:02 PM | Reply

SKEPTICAL

Guess what? My wife and I believe in science AND WE HAVEN'T CAUGHT COVID!

And go copulate yourself, moron. You know nothing about me or my family and friends. The vast majority of whom aren't Trump c*** sucking morons.

#127 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-10-11 03:23 PM | Reply

rich dopes use tv channel to tell poor dopes to kill themselves.

#128 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-10-11 05:14 PM | Reply

" If you want to be trusted, transparency and complete honesty are needed."

#117 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT

You dopes worship the biggest liar of all time - Fat Donnie Fail. Y'all have ZERO

#129 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-10-11 07:04 PM | Reply

Visitor_ did you vote for Trump? Did you do it twice?

#130 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-11 07:06 PM | Reply

"6 Lies out of 17. What kind of Fascist echo chamber do you get your news from?
#116 | POSTED BY BORED"

This is exactly why you have no credibility, the MSM is tanking in ratings and trust, and Biden is sinking like a lead balloon. You label things that trigger you as 'lies'. Now, you might want to call a man dressed up like a woman - a woman. But, thinking people (60% of the country) will say - 'that is just a man dressed up like a woman'.

And here we are - you cannot actually identify a single untrue statement - so, you just call them all lies to try to make the harsh truth go away.

Let's look at some highlights of your water carrying:

"2.) The experts' claiming that lab leak theories were conspiracies
(lab leak speculations without any supporting facts, is a conspiracy theory)"

So, you admit now that there is a lot of evidence including from the US intelligence services and that there was a concerted effort by those funding the lab to brand everyone questioning the wet-market theory as a conspiracy theorist?

"3.) Peter Daszak getting a group of experts' to write to the Lancet to debunk the lab leak theory without disclosing what they knew of the research going on or their financial interest
(the people that knew the lab leak lie was a lie because of their inside knowledge)"

I take back my question in #2 as you are clearly stuck on stupid - or talking points from August 2020.

"4.) The CDC saying masks were not helpful " only to flip later and say that 1 mask is great, 2 masks are even better.
(Before Covid was widespread in the community, masks were not helpful, after learning how Covid was spread, masks were known to be effective)"

Does not change the fact that they said it - which means there are either stupid or lying to you. You look like you are on the side of stupid - you better check your story with Squirts Danfroth as he calls it the noble lie.

#131 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-11 08:54 PM | Reply

"5.) Politicians crushing local businesses while they allow those same businesses to open for them " hair appointments for Pelosi and Lightfoot
(Politicians protecting the public, but getting an exemption, half point here)"

Again - this is about mistrust. People have eyes - they see politicians saying they are above the restrictions for the plebs.

"6.) Somehow Costco is deemed safer than any mom and pop shops that are forced to shut down
(Costco sells food)"

Yeah - and a whole host of other things. Why is going to the garden section at CostCo safe because they sell hotdogs while the one at Lowes is too dangerous to open?

"7.) Ridiculous out-door dining' restrictions in NYC where they have constructed fully enclosed dining spaces (some 2 story) on the street while dining inside is unsafe'
(Some businesses abused regulations)"

Again, this is about mistrust and people have eyes. They see that the rules are bent for some and not the other - it makes people question why the rules are there at all if they can be bent without causing a covid catastrophe.

"8.) Dining in CA is deemed unsafe, except for Newsome at the French Laundry
(Bad move by Newsome, but he was TOTALLY EXONARATED in the recall)"

If you say so - but the people with eyes are the ones that voted against him in the recall. Just because we have unthinking bots voting for him does not exonerate him in the eyes of people that did no vote for him.

"10.) Large gatherings result in death so don't see your friends and family for holidays or 4th of July ... ..but BLM riots, BLM marches, and Joe Biden inauguration are perfectly fine
(Indoor vs outdoor)"

This is stupid beyond words.

So, I will just stop here - but, this is another 5 points and not a single LIE in any of them. Yet, you choose to lie and call them all lies. Why? Do you not understand what a lie is or do you just want to try to brush it all under the carpet because it triggers you and you think calling everything is a lie is the new liberal version of the 'race card'?

#132 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-11 09:03 PM | Reply

All I know is that 1 in 5 of all patients here in Louisiana was previously fully vaccinated. That's 20% and climbing drastically. And suddenly, it's no longer being reported by MSM. Add the now admitted lack of distinction between admitted/died of COVID and simply admitted for say a gunshot wound and testing positive in the process, and the roughly $14k stipend PPD we received, and you can start to build a much clearer picture of what has been happening. Why is where the conspiracies come in to play.

#133 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2021-10-11 09:08 PM | Reply

"All I know is that 1 in 5 of all patients here in Louisiana was previously fully vaccinated."

Louisiana was the first place I heard of a Delta breakthrough infection, in someone who had two doses of Pfizer.

That was in May.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-11 09:14 PM | Reply

"Why is where the conspiracies come in to play.
#133 | POSTED BY BOGEY1355 "

You are singing to the wrong choir here - you are writing to authoritarians that cannot admit any mistakes by their Big Government Messiah.

You see this is the flipping of masks don't work to '3 masks are better than 2' - some like Squirts Danfroth attribute it the 'noble lie' why other likes Bored claim the CDC was just stupid at the time.

These are people that strap on 2 condoms when they ---------- after having a vasectomy - they cannot be reasoned with, they just need to be tolerated and ensure we keep them away from the children.

#135 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-11 09:22 PM | Reply

135

Whatever you do, keep referencing your non-study, where a few people only got the squirts after ivermectin, and didn't suffer the symptoms doctors warn of, like seizures or loss of consciousness.

If shows, once again, what a dishonest POS you are, and how you fear anyone who exposes you for the liar you are.

Keep digging, moron.

#136 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-11 09:36 PM | Reply

"Whatever you do, keep referencing your non-study, where a few people only got the squirts after ivermectin, and didn't suffer the symptoms doctors warn of, like seizures or loss of consciousness.
#136 | POSTED BY "SQUIRTS" DANFROTH"

Squirts, please link to an actual case whereby one of the horse paste eating Trump supporters suffered from seizures or loss of consciousness after consuming ivermectin - and no, the already debunked Oklahoma article or the debunked Mississippi poison control story don't count. After you do that, you can explain why it is more dangerous to get a case of the squirts than dying from covid for the average person that does not wear a white pantsuit like you or Hillary.

#137 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-11 09:47 PM | Reply

---- off ------.

#138 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-10-11 09:50 PM | Reply

"#138 | POSTED BY LEGALLYBRAINDEAD"

Looks like we have another white pantsuit fan in the crowd.

#139 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-11 09:51 PM | Reply

All I know is that 1 in 5 of all patients here in Louisiana was previously fully vaccinated.

I'm betting they're mostly 60 or older.

A predictable and easily explained phenomena that requires no conspiracy theory to explain.

Add the now admitted lack of distinction between admitted/died of COVID and simply admitted for say a gunshot wound and testing positive in the process

Yeah, I've heard that one too. Have yet to see real evidence to support it.

#140 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-11 10:08 PM | Reply

"Yeah, I've heard that one too. Have yet to see real evidence to support it.
#140 | POSTED BY JPW"

The UK NHS numbers are in - 50% of the hospitalizations came for something else and the people either caught it in the hospital or it was not something them came for treatment because of it.

#141 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-11 10:44 PM | Reply

"he calls it the noble lie."

I've never made that claim in my life.

Why can't you post without lying? Is it compulsive???

#142 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-11 11:38 PM | Reply

"I've never made that claim in my life.
#142 | POSTED BY "SQUIRTS" DANFROTH"

Wow, maybe it was a different Squirts Danfroth that made the claim that the CDC lied about the effectiveness of masks because there was scarcity and they wanted to reserve them for medical professionals only. Seems like now you are claiming the CDC is just plain old incompetent and truly didn't know any better about the effectiveness of masks when they told people not to wear them. With that lack of trust in the CDC, why do you trust them now? Please explain yourself Squirts.

#143 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-11 11:53 PM | Reply

"that the CDC lied about the effectiveness of masks because there was scarcity and they wanted to reserve them for medical professionals only"

They said at that time the public didn't need masks. The rest of the sentence: as much as the front-line workers. If that's the "noble lie", I'll take it every time.

Good enough for you, Numberfluffer?

#144 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-12 12:47 AM | Reply

Hey Numberfluffer, are you still pretending fourteen non-fatal phone calls to a poison control center prove the efficacy of ivermectin, despite widespread medical disagreement?

#145 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-12 12:51 AM | Reply

"With that lack of trust in the CDC, why do you trust them now?"

Two reason, really.

One, I know facts on the ground change. And two, you're manufacturing outrage, and it'a all based on pretend ignorance.

Put simply, you're gaslighting. Again.

#146 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-12 12:55 AM | Reply

"If that's the "noble lie", I'll take it every time.
#144 | POSTED BY "SQUIRTS" DANFROTH"

Yeah Squirts, that is exactly what I meant. So, you can take back this:

"I've never made that claim in my life."?

Maybe you are just a bit too triggered to think rationally at this point.

#147 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-12 12:55 AM | Reply

"So, you can take back this:"

You're right: I'll gladly take it back.

You, meanwhile, get to keep your ignorance.

#148 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-12 12:56 AM | Reply

"DANFROTH""

Wrecks? Is that you?

#149 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-12 12:57 AM | Reply

"One, I know facts on the ground change.
#146 | POSTED BY "SQUIRTS" DANFROTH"

Hold up there, Squirts. You need to go talk to the Squirts Danfroth in #144. That version of Squirts admitted it was a total lie - a noble one - but a total lie that the CDC knew at the time was a lie but said it anyway. So, I think you better go get your talking points hammered out. Conditions didn't change, they just lied.

#150 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-12 12:59 AM | Reply

"Conditions didn't change"

Don't be a moron. Conditions always change.

#151 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-12 01:07 AM | Reply

"Conditions always change.
#151 | POSTED BY "SQUIRTS DANFROTH"

Hold up there Squirts. I can't let you off that easy. You need to pick a side:

A.) CDC knew that masks were effective and told people not to buy them to prevent shortages
B.) The CDC is so incredibly incompetent that they did not know masks help prevent covid transmission

So, which is it?

#152 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-12 01:19 AM | Reply

"CDC knew that masks were effective and told people not to buy them to prevent shortages"

CDC didn't need to know how effective the masks were to know a public surge would create a professional shortage.

But I get it: you're living in a world where you have to be too stupid to understand the nuance.

"So, which is it?"

Your point doesn't withstand any scintilla of scrutiny. You have to pretend they 100% knew about how the virus was spread from day one. As I pointed out after your moronic claim, conditions always change.

#153 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-12 01:31 AM | Reply

"CDC didn't need to know how effective the masks were to know a public surge would create a professional shortage.
#153 | POSTED BY "SQUIRTS" DANFROTH"

Squirts, it is immaterial whether they 'needed to know' - the question is - DID THEY KNOW?

You seem to be stuck on stupid arguing both sides and thinking that makes your 'correct' - it just makes you look like a moron trapped in their own lies.

So, I am going to change my prior answer for you from 'noble lie' to you think the CDC was too stupid to know that masks were effective at the time they made the statement.

So, we are back to square 1 - if the CDC was that stupid (the whole of Asia was already masked, they had ample proof of airborne spread, etc) - why do you trust them now?

Maybe you are just like a battered wife that keeps slinking back to your abuser. You sure seem to enjoy getting beaten on here daily so there is probably some truth to that.

#154 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-12 01:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" the question is - DID THEY KNOW?"

No it's not. The question is Was Fauci right in preventing a public surging toward PPE in the early stages of the pandemic, and the answer is a resounding YES. But here, you're numberfluffing again: you're pretending the CDC knew 100% of what we know now. It's stupid on its face.

"they had ample proof of airborne spread"

They didn't know if it was being passed via air or surfaces.

"You sure seem to enjoy getting beaten on here daily "

Hmmm, let's see: You can't tell 7.4 million from 74 million; your ass got kicked on that one. You can't tell 8,164 from 3; your ass got kicked on that one. You can't even tell n=0 from n>0, and regularly claim things that aren't, and got your ass kicked on that as well. And when site after site specifically tells the reader NOT to use or interpret the info a certain way...well, you lie about it regardless. And then...when you get caught...you blame the person who caught you.

You're the guy going into his home-run trot while the catcher is holding strike three.

#155 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-12 01:58 AM | Reply

"SQUIRTS"

FTW, this poster calls me "Squirts" because I caught him lying about ivermectin.

He claimed ivermectin has "no known side effects", so I linked to a webmd article citing mild reactions like rash, nausea, and diarrhea, as well as, in rarer cases, major reactions like severe allergic reactions, seizures, and loss of consciousness.

Ever since, he's pretended the major reactions don't really exist at all, and the worst is just the "squirts".

So every time you see "Squirts", remember two things: it should remind you just how dishonest he is about any potential downsides to ivermectin, and ultimately...it's all based on his embarrassment at being caught telling a bald-faced lie.

#156 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-12 02:16 AM | Reply

"They didn't know if it was being passed via air or surfaces
#155 | POSTED BY "SQUIRTS DANFROTH"

Squirts, you can chill out. I already updated you from 'noble lie' to 'utterly incompetent' for the CDC. No need to beat a dead horse about how stupid they were in the past.

Still, the question is why you trust such an incompetent organization now?

#157 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-12 03:23 AM | Reply

" the question is why you trust such an incompetent organization now?"

They only seem incompetent if you numberfluff about how much they knew up front.

But since you mentioned incompetent, are you ready to retract your claim ivermectin has no known side effects, or are you still going to pretend seizures and loss of consciousness don't actually count?

#158 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-12 03:36 AM | Reply

"Squirts"

That reminds me: you're a lying sack of ------, who got caught fibbing about ivermectin's side effects.

#159 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-12 03:38 AM | Reply

"They only seem incompetent if you numberfluff about how much they knew up front.
#158 | POSTED BY "SQUIRTS" DANFROTH"

Squirts, I don't need to do anything - you said they had no clue in March that covid was airborne. Apparently, the CDC thought they were smarter than the whole of Asia. Per you, this was not a noble lie to stop PPE shortages, they were simply too stupid to know any better.

So again, with such a demonstrated track record of incompetence, you swear by their advice now. You are a battered wife.

#160 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-12 03:43 AM | Reply

" you said they had no clue in March that covid was airborne. "

No I didn't. You said that.

Why won't you retract your lie about ivermectin? What's stopping you?

#161 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-12 03:47 AM | Reply

"you said they had no clue in March that covid was airborne. "
No I didn't. You said that.
#161 | POSTED BY "SQUIRTS" DANFROTH"

Squirts, you are all over the map - you need to pick a story. I will give you the two options again and maybe this time you don't all Biden-brain and actually answer the question:

A.) CDC knew that masks were effective and told people not to buy them to prevent shortages
B.) The CDC is so incredibly incompetent that they did not know masks help prevent covid transmission

Which is it?

As for ivermectin, I stand by my prior statement, I think death from covid is way, way worse than a case of the squirts from taking ivermectin. I realize with your all white pantsuit, you have a different take on that.

#162 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-12 04:08 AM | Reply

Hope all of these Ruskie trolls and Trumper's self medicate when they get the rona. Rona plus the ----- all self inflicted. A win-win. Less Trumper propagandists and less Trump/GQP voters.

#163 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-10-12 05:38 AM | Reply

"Rona plus the ----- all self inflicted. A win-win. Less Trumper propagandists and less Trump/GQP voters.
#163 | POSTED BY A_MONSON"

Weren't you the the douche that posted about Allen West taking 'horse paste' to help fight his covid? You know, the covid his fully vaccinate wife got as well. Turns out, he is out of the hospital and back to normal. Seems like there are effective treatments outside of forcing everyone to get a vaccination with unknown side effects.

Maybe you are like Squirts Danfroth and fear a case of the trots more than death from covid...yet another white pantsuit lover...

#164 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-12 05:51 AM | Reply

"Turns out, he is out of the hospital and back to normal"

Leaving aside what "normal" might mean in this crank's case, how do you know he's "back to normal"?

#165 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-10-12 06:32 AM | Reply

" Maybe you are like Squirts Danfroth and fear a case of the trots"

Or maybe you keep pretending the more serious reactions like seizures don't really exist, because you're embarrassed at being caught in a lie.

#166 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-12 10:30 AM | Reply

" As for ivermectin, I stand by my prior statement"

Of course you do.

Just like you kept claiming VAERS said over 8100 deaths were "as the result of" the vaccine, even after it was pointed out the website itself warned specifically against idiocy like yours.

You'll lie about anything and everything.

#167 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-12 10:34 AM | Reply

" how do you know he's "back to normal"?"

Same way he knew there were "no known side effects" from ivermectin: he pulled the lie from his --------.

#168 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-12 10:36 AM | Reply

Looks like Danforth broke Skeptical.

#169 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-10-12 12:41 PM | Reply

Skeptical was already broken.

#170 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-12 09:13 PM | Reply

You know, the covid his fully vaccinate wife got as well.

They're both older, the primary risk factor for breakthrough infections in the vaccinated.

With a very predictable, easily explained reason. Take a guess what that is and show us how much you actually know about this topic.

Turns out, he is out of the hospital and back to normal. Seems like there are effective treatments outside of forcing everyone to get a vaccination with unknown side effects.

You mean like the Regeneron monoclonals he got? Certainly not ivermectin or HCQ or any other ridiculous ---- you ignorant tools keep pushing.

And what side effects? Don't play the "they're unknown" bulls&*^. What precedence is there for late onset vaccine adverse events? All long term side effects from vaccines manifest acutely and hang around.

So what do you think is going to happen?

#171 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-12 09:22 PM | Reply

"They're both older, the primary risk factor for breakthrough infections in the vaccinated."

So vaccines typically don't work well for old people? That explains all the people in their 80's getting polio and the measles I guess.

"You mean like the Regeneron monoclonals he got? Certainly not ivermectin or HCQ or any other ridiculous"

He took ivermectin along with other treatments and he is fine now. Was it ivermectin? We don't know. But, it is a fact that he took it and is now recovered - like Joe Rogan.

"What precedence is there for late onset vaccine adverse events? All long term side effects from vaccines manifest acutely and hang around.
#171 | POSTED BY JPW "

Like birth defects? The reality is that MRNA vaccines are new. Your statement may make sense if we were talking about Astra Zeneca, etc - but that is not the same as Pfizer or Moderna. Now, while you think you are special because you cosplay as a 'scientist' for $15/hour and you assess there are no risks, frankly, I don't trust you or your ilk. You are the same people that said a lab leak was not possible and that gain of function was not happening. So, I do not trust you and no one else should either. I question your ability to even get my drive thru order correct much less you playing with deadly pathogens.

#172 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-12 11:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Like birth defects? The reality is that MRNA vaccines are new.

What vaccine has caused birth defects?

And I guess you don't know much about the mRNA platform. The RNA itself is gone within a day. The protein expressed from it with a few days.

frankly, I don't trust you or your ilk.

Of course you don't. You're an idiot who hasn't met a topic he's not willing to Dunning-Kruger the sh&^ out of.

You are the same people that said a lab leak was not possible and that gain of function was not happening.

Said it wasn't likely and that there was no concrete evidence of it.

And sorry, but I don't consider putting S protein sequences into animal adapted viruses as GoF.

So, I do not trust you and no one else should either.

Because you're an arrogant, ignorant dumb ----.

I question your ability to even get my drive thru order correct much less you playing with deadly pathogens.

#172 | Posted by Skeptical

Again. Arrogant. Ignorant. Dumb----.

#173 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-13 12:20 AM | Reply

"#173 | POSTED BY JPW"

Just stick with washing lettuce JPW. Fries or the drive thru are beyond your capabilities. Maybe in a few years, you can make it up to shift manager.

#174 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-13 12:28 AM | Reply

Oh wow. The fast food trope.

Good one, loser.

#175 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-13 12:32 AM | Reply

"Oh wow. The fast food trope.
#175 | POSTED BY JPW"

I think you are the only person that has worked for years in the same profession and wasted countless hours and $'s getting 'educated' - yet, could get an instant raise by landing a job at McDonalds washing lettuce. You truly are special JPW, don't ever change.

#176 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-13 12:43 AM | Reply

You truly are special JPW, don't ever change.

Says the idiot who can't dig deeper than a fry cook "dig" even after they've been mocked for being such an unoriginal, lowbrow -------.

So have no fear, loser, we know you can't change.

#177 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-13 01:01 AM | Reply

"#177 | POSTED BY JPW "

Dude, you are too much. I legit want to write your biography and market it as a self-help book for depression.

#178 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-13 01:43 AM | Reply

A good story is probably better for you deprimidos than those awful horse pills.
In any case, good luck.

#179 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-10-13 06:37 AM | Reply

"A good story is probably better for you deprimidos than those awful horse pills.
In any case, good luck.
#179 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS"

I don't think depression is a problem on the right. Per the latest studies, mental illness is rampant on the left and 50% or more of young leftists having a diagnosed mental health condition by licensed professionals.

So, my book detailing JPW's life would be targeted at them. Like the young millennial that drop out of college and now is working at Starbucks. She would be happy to compare that to JPW's 8 years of education and student loans to now make $15/hour in his late 30's.

I could probably make a whole series - Snoofy's would be fascinating. The would be the 60+ hippy that never grew up, lives at home with his mom, and his life savings would only buy a half tank of gas.

#180 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-13 08:16 AM | Reply

Are you paid by the word, hour, site visited, or some combination thereof?

#181 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-10-13 08:26 AM | Reply

"#181 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS"

I consider this my charity work. If I can get one of you lazy progressives to get a job, be productive, and stop trying to hurt the country, that is all the reward I need.

#182 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-13 08:37 AM | Reply

POSTED BY SKEPTICAL AT 2

It's interesting that being accurately identified as a fascist still manages to hurt your fee-fees. Perhaps it will continue to do so until the last WW II vet dies. I hope to Hell that it does.

#183 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-13 08:47 AM | Reply

" Per the latest studies, mental illness is rampant on the left and 50% or more of young leftists having a diagnosed mental health condition by licensed professionals."

I call BS. Looks like this moron is once again employing Skeptical Math, where the poster makes up a number, and it turns out that number is off by at least 90%.

Link to the study, please.

Based on past history, no doubt you cherry-picked an anecdote, based on a sample size of 2.

#184 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-13 09:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Per the latest studies, mental illness is rampant on the left and 50% or more of young leftists having a diagnosed mental health condition by licensed professionals."

Never happened. Doesn't exist, completely unreal, outright lie.

#185 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-13 10:22 AM | Reply

"Link to the study, please.
#184 | POSTED BY "SQUIRTS" DANFROTH"

Have at it Squirts. This one from Pew Research:

i0.wp.com

#186 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-13 10:35 AM | Reply

"Never happened. Doesn't exist, completely unreal, outright lie.
#185 | POSTED BY ZED"

I pasted the link already - source is Pew Research. Based on your 'head in the arse' coping mechanism, I am going to assume you have been diagnosed already.

#187 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-13 10:36 AM | Reply

I pasted the link already - source is Pew Research. Based on your 'head in the arse' coping mechanism, I am going to assume you have been diagnosed already.

#187 | POSTED BY SKEPTICAL

The "study" is invalid on its face. It's propaganda. No "licensed mental health professional" gives a damn if their clients are liberal or conservative and will not even record the information, much less report it to someone.

But, I get it. You've been identified as mentally ill and now everyone has to be.

#188 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-13 11:02 AM | Reply

#187 | POSTED BY SKEPTICAL

Jesus. I read what you posted. How stupid.

I'm in a good mood today. Please defend this pile of sh--. I'll be glad to tell you exactly why and how it stinks.

Lies and the lying liars that tell them.

#189 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-13 11:05 AM | Reply

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