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Wednesday, October 13, 2021

Dean Obeidallah: It can happen here. The "it" ought to be obvious by now: an authoritarian or even fascist regime in the United States.

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So when was the United States a democracy???

#1 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-10-13 01:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#1 | Posted by MSgt

"Republicans are traitors to the republic."

Moron.

#2 | Posted by billy_boy at 2021-10-13 01:14 PM | Reply

Crooks gonna be crooks. They think laws are for the "little people". Folks like MSG-TS are straight-up fools.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-10-13 04:24 PM | Reply

This country is a representative democracy... look it up. Well, unless you've had too much MSG(t-otally).

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2021-10-13 05:20 PM | Reply

representative democracy... which is, of course, the problem rwingers have with this country; all that voting nonsense.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2021-10-13 05:21 PM | Reply

So when was the United States a democracy???
#1 | POSTED BY MSGT

What's that form of government called where people vote for stuff???

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-13 05:28 PM | Reply

Republicans Would Rather End Democracy Than Forsake Trump.

And democrats would rather avoid accusations of partisanship than save the country from fascist republicans.

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-13 05:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

So when was the United States a democracy???

#1 | POSTED BY MSGT

And yet you wonder why and are offended by being called stupid with high frequency.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-13 06:20 PM | Reply

So when was the United States a democracy???

Not even an attempt to say that Republicans don't want to get Trump elected without actually winning an election, nor that he wouldn't become a Fascist dictator. Because MSGT knows it's true just like the rest of us so he tries to use semantics instead of an argument. Pitiful!

#9 | Posted by danni at 2021-10-13 06:26 PM | Reply

Love him or hate him (and I have some major issues with him), Bill Maher is especially prescient in this video:

www.youtube.com

The only reason ------- failed is that the republicans were not prepared and he was thwarted by a number of republicans in various states (i.e. Raffensberger in GA).

Republicans are laying the groundwork for them not to fail next time.

They are laying the groundwork for states to set aside the will of the voters and have the state legislatures choose their electors.

Wake the ---- up! Policies won't win the election. Believe it or not voting most likely won't matter, because the republican legislatures will set aside unfavorable results! And they are actively taking steps to do that!

You have been warned.

What can be done? Probably not much at this point, dems fumbled the 2nd impeachment, so there is not much that can be done to make ------- ineligible to run. Dems seem incapable of passing meaningful election protection legislation.

Arrest and convict -------? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

#10 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-13 06:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#10-that's the other half or the problem. Dems think they can reason and talk "common sense" with Republicans and all will be fine. They have the power to make changes at the moment but they are disorganized and frittering away what time remains fighting over policy and not uniting against the greatest threat to our nation in my 70 year lifetime. If AOC alone turned her perpetually open mouth to calling out the more vile Republican Reps and Senators for what they are and the damage they've done, she just might spark a tidal wave of truth to power from more Dems.

But I doubt it.

#11 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2021-10-13 06:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Make that "the other half OF the problem"...

#12 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2021-10-13 07:01 PM | Reply

#10
Something can be done.
2A

#13 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-13 08:04 PM | Reply

#10
Something can be done.
2A

#13 | Posted by bored

Never going to happen.

MQ-9 Reaper says that's a short ride to a quick death.

#14 | Posted by billy_boy at 2021-10-13 08:41 PM | Reply

You morons are too much. I find it hilarious how much of your brain is dedicated to worrying about Trump.

But, there is a cure for the Democrats that ensure Trump is never elected again:

"Enact Policies that makes the lives of the American People better"

Yes, it really is that easy. People voted for Trump because they believed his America First policies were the best way to bring back jobs, grow the economy, and make the US a safer and better place to live. So, all you need to beat Trump forever is to deliver on that promise with your own policies.

And that is the rub....Biden and the Democrats have complete control of the country and they are making it worse. People are seeing run away inflation, the open borders, the out of control crime - that, on top of Leftists focusing on dividing the population along racial lines and forcing medical procedures onto people that do not want them.

That is the problem for Dems - their policies are rejected by the US population. So, rather than have policies that win over voters, they need to focus on smearing Trump. They need to focus on censoring him to erase the memory of the economy he created and make people feel so hopeless, that they will believe a government handout is their only chance to survive.

#15 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-13 08:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#15 | Posted by Skeptical

LOL.

What are the Republican policies? Oh, that's right. Own the libs.

Also, oppose everything that is proposed by any Dem.

Can you come up with something that proves me wrong?

What's the Republican platform?

I'm serious moron, because they came out and said their policy is whatever tRump says.

That's not a platform, that's the end of the United States.

#16 | Posted by billy_boy at 2021-10-13 09:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"What's the Republican platform?"
#16 | POSTED BY BILLY_BOY "

1.) End foreign wars (Trump accomplished that)
2.) Control the border (Trump 50% successful)
3.) Tariffs on China to move jobs back to the US (50% successful)
4.) Energy independence (100% successful)
5.) Bring back manufacturing to the US (50% successful)
6.) Fund law enforcement to make cities safer (50% successful until BLM riots)

Biden has reversed course on #2-#5 and the result has been run away inflation, soaring gas prices making our enemies rich, out of control crime in blue cities, and probably close to 2M illegals entering the country in 2021.

These are just the facts - you may want to whine that it is not Biden's fault, the but the results are what they are.

#17 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-13 09:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

7.) Fascist Coup (0% successful)

#18 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-10-13 09:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"#18 | POSTED BY NERFHERDER"

Great job of proving my point in #15. You can't talk policy because your policies don't work. So, back to trying to smear Trump. I don't think that will end well for you.

#19 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-13 09:34 PM | Reply

Facts aren't smears.

#20 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-10-13 09:44 PM | Reply

"These are just the facts"

Speaking of "facts", it's a fact your "Pew Research" link was crap, and once again, didn't back your wildly false claim.

Just like your false claim about Uttar Pradesh.
Just like your false claim about VAERS.
Just like your false claim about ivermectin.

Looks like you're 0-for-everything. You seem to get caught in lie, after lie, after lie, after lie. And when confronted with the truth...you gaslight, and attack the truth-teller.

Positively Trumpian.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-13 10:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Tariffs on China to move jobs back to the US (50% successful)"

Skeptical Math alert:

The poster has made up a number, and it's more than 90% bulllllllschhhittt.

Not even FIVE PERCENT of jobs "moved back" to the US from China.

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-13 10:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Speaking of "facts", it's a fact your "Pew Research" link was crap, and once again, didn't back your wildly false claim.
#21 | POSTED BY "SQUIRTS" DANFROTH"

Squirts - you will have to be more specific. The link clearly showed what I claimed - young, far left people have almost a 50% rate of having a professionally diagnosed mental illness.

The data was taken straight from Pew Research American Family survey. I realize the results embarrass you but that does not make them untrue.

#23 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-10-13 10:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Squirts - you will have to be more specific."

First, thanks for reminding folks you got caught in a lie about ivermectin, and now have to pretend "squirts" are the worst outcome, and not what doctors have warned about: severe allergic reaction, seizures, and loss of consciousness.

Next, your specific claims of a certain percentage of folks with medical diagnoses was a bald-faced lie, and the "research" link you provided was bogus.

"The data was taken straight from Pew Research American Family survey"

And they didn't claim what you did. You're a liar, again.

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-13 10:16 PM | Reply

Yeah. Why use "squirts" when everyone reading this knows Skeptical is the one that face planted right in that s**t? It's like he's rubbing his own nose in it.

Which, as a PSA I feel I should state, is no way to train a dog. It's just wrong.

#25 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-13 10:53 PM | Reply

Actually if you go directly to the PEW website for the "American Trends Panel Wave 64'" in question you can see that Skeptical and his graph is completely full of ----- they don't even ask the question. All of them are instead about COVID19.

www.pewresearch.org

Simple detective work shows Skeptimoron's misinformation was first posted in EVIE online women''s magazine' formed a scant two years ago and which is already known to disseminate right-wing snd QANON wacko propaganda.

They try so hard to make it legit, lol! Skeptimoron actually fell for it!!

"A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest, lie-la-lie" -Paul Simon

#26 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-10-13 10:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#26 - On the bright side, his perfect record of "0-for-everything" remains unbroken.

#27 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-13 11:02 PM | Reply

They are afraid of the voters that have magical thinking and anger addiction.

#28 | Posted by Brennnn at 2021-10-14 04:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If given the choice between an authoritarian "democracy" with a ------ economy and policies that are disliked by the majority of society and some other form of government that offers more prosperity and individual freedom, which do you think people will choose?

Saddam Hussein was an incredibly brutal dictator, but we now know why. Because it was necessary to oppress those internal forces that eventually morphed into the Islamic State. Do you think that there might not be a bunch of Iraqis who wish the country had not been "liberated."

Additionally, businesses around the country didn't board up their windows in November of 2020 because they feared Trump supporters might riot if he lost, they did so in fear of those who would riot if he won.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 07:31 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Bottom line, the Trumpfers tried to violently overthrow the Constitution.
Wear it, with shame.

#30 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-10-14 07:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Unless Biden is able to radically change the vector of his administration quickly, Trump will win in 2024. And it won't be through any sort of trickery.

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 07:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"And it won't be through any sort of trickery."

You really should check up on recent legislative actions, e.g., Tejas.

#32 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-10-14 07:39 AM | Reply

Trump will win in 2024. And it won't be through any sort of trickery.

#31 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2021-10-14 07:37 AM | REPLY

You really think that 80+ million people will be less appalled by Trump in 2024?

DOC is right. Trump will cheat even more ferociously than he did last time. The election will be stolen by him, obviously stolen, and there will be a bloody crisis. Bloody.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-14 08:04 AM | Reply

If given the choice between an authoritarian "democracy" with a ------ economy and policies that are disliked by the majority of society and some other form of government that offers more prosperity and individual freedom, which do you think people will choose?

#29 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER
you
The more interesting question is what will choose, you theoretical warrior you? We hire you to protect democracy. Which you're signaling you won't. So what's up with you? Didn't make your stripe?

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-14 08:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The more interesting question is what will you choose, you theoretical warrior you? We hire you to protect democracy. Which you're signaling you won't. So what's up with you? Didn't make your stripe?

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-14 08:09 AM | Reply

perhaps more accurate to say that Republicans would
rather end democracy, than give up on their beloved
racism...

#36 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-10-14 08:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bears repeating:

Republicans are laying the groundwork for them not to fail next time.
They are laying the groundwork for states to set aside the will of the voters and have the state legislatures choose their electors.
Wake the ---- up! Policies won't win the election. Believe it or not voting most likely won't matter, because the republican legislatures will set aside unfavorable results! And they are actively taking steps to do that!
You have been warned.
What can be done? Probably not much at this point, dems fumbled the 2nd impeachment, so there is not much that can be done to make ------- ineligible to run. Dems seem incapable of passing meaningful election protection legislation.

I thought Biden and Democrats needed to focus on controlling the pandemic and getting Biden's appointments in place when he first took office, but I strongly believed that securing future elections and, therefore, democracy was of the highest priority after that. TH is right--policy won't win future elections, and the Democrats in Congress are fools for thinking it will when Republicans are relentlessly and methodically putting in place all the "infrastructure" they will need to steal future elections. I don't understand why the Biden/Harris adminstration and Democrats in Congress refuse to see that, but it will be their final downfall and, more importantly, the downfall of democracy in the US.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-10-14 08:43 AM | Reply

"perhaps more accurate to say that Republicans would
rather end democracy, than give up on their beloved
racism..."

It's not about racism for those in power. It's about power itself, which they don't wish to relinquish even if it means the end of democracy. Racism, however, is one of the tactics they are using to rile up a certain segment of their base.

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-10-14 08:46 AM | Reply

Also bears repeating:

#10-that's the other half or the problem. Dems think they can reason and talk "common sense" with Republicans and all will be fine. They have the power to make changes at the moment but they are disorganized and frittering away what time remains fighting over policy and not uniting against the greatest threat to our nation in my 70 year lifetime.

Here's how Josh Marshall put it:

But they're arguing over how to do the house renovation while the house is ...

4/ starting to burn down. There's a lot of negotiating and legislating logic to all this. But the future is going to be decided in by-elections and the midterm. On that front it's urgent. I see little sign they get the urgency.

twitter.com

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-10-14 08:51 AM | Reply

"The more interesting question is what will choose, you theoretical warrior you?"

I don't understand the question. Are you asking who I would vote for, or who I am obligated to support.

As a military officer, my oath is to the constitution. That doesn't change regardless of who is elected.

As to whom I will vote for...it's too early to tell. I'm pretty much a never Trump guy, but the Biden administration has been a disaster. And I don't see it getting any better.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 09:42 AM | Reply

"I thought Biden and Democrats needed to focus on controlling the pandemic and getting Biden's appointments in place when he first took office, but I strongly believed that securing future elections and, therefore, democracy was of the highest priority after that."

Are you willing to concede that it is very likely that, if Trump runs in 2024, he will win a free and fair election?

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 09:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

MB pretending Trumpers are rational voters weighing policy is a joke.

If Biden started a trade war with China and it resulted in American farmers stuck sitting on vast quantities of soybeans and other crops, then they had to be bailed out by the federal government, republicans would be shrieking how Biden is a disaster to America and a communist.
But because it was their cult leader, they said 'Thank you sir may I have another! USA!!'

They don't even have a platform.

#42 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-10-14 10:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Are you willing to concede that it is very likely that, if Trump runs in 2024, he will win a free and fair election?

#41 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I am not who you were asking, but I will answer in my own case - No. Trump has never won the popular vote and I doubt he would win a free and fair election at this point with the electoral numbers. I dont actually believe he will run. He enjoys the campaign and not the work. He will do all the rallies he can up to when he must actually declare on paper and then he will find a reason why he is no longer able to do so. Then he will back his horse and continue to campaign for that person. I've been wrong before, but I dont think Trump could bare losing twice.

#43 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2021-10-14 10:20 AM | Reply

"They don't even have a platform."

They don't need one. Running on a platform of correcting all of Biden's messy policies might be enough.

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 10:23 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

" because it was their cult leader, they said 'Thank you sir may I have another!"

The most egregious, of course was when Obama called for the confiscation of guns before any due process was given. Remember how the Republicans completely freaked out about that?

Just kidding ... That was Trump, and the Republicans were dead silent.

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-14 10:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They don't need one. Running on a platform of correcting all of Biden's messy policies might be enough.

#44 | Posted by madbomber

Your cult is fine with messy policies. Your cult is fine with whatever your cult leader does.

Stop pretending to care about policy. You have one policy - worship trump and destroy those who dont.

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-14 12:17 PM | Reply

Are you willing to concede that it is very likely that, if Trump runs in 2024, he will win a free and fair election?

#41 | Posted by madbomber

Is a fair election one where the person with less votes wins?

Is a free election one where local cult members can overturn results if they don't like them?

#47 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-14 12:18 PM | Reply

Are you willing to concede that... 2024... will [be] a free and fair election?

Please define free and fair election.

Thanks!

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 12:23 PM | Reply

And Democrats would rather make up exaggerations and be hypocrites instead of being objective.

This, just like the stupid article released before that it references, is almost EXACTLY the same rhetoric used by Reps about Dems. And both sides continue to keep their heads up their butts and realize that both sides are right. Both sides are making policies that contradict the democracy of America. And they are doing it 100% to further their own partisan wants. Dems want to force people to pay for a service. Dems want to force people to take a vaccine. Reps want to force people to take tax cuts that indirectly benefit the rich the most. Reps want to force women to not be able to make decisions about their own body.

Those are just 2 of the many examples from each party. But because both of the examples of each further what they believe is right, very few of them have any ability to see objectively that it may actually NOT be right. Or it may not be right in the context of our democracy. Hell, most Libs just on this site alone can't even realize that they are whining about Reps worshipping Trump when Dems did the same thing to Obama and are doing the same thing to Biden. It's not worship, it's the fact that most can't be objective and see their own hypocrisy. So their POTUS can do no wrong, which is evident in the way DR Libs have ignored everything Biden has done wrong because they either don't think he can be wrong or are too scared to say he is wrong for fear of their image being considered "lesser than" by their DR Lib peers. THAT is the kind of mentality that ruins democracies, not opinions. Opinions are great and, in fact, our entire system of government was predicated on everyone being able to have their own opinion. The problem isn't our democracy going away, the problem is America is too full of people who are willing to do harm in any way to others who don't agree with their opinion.

#49 | Posted by humtake at 2021-10-14 01:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Only one party is trying to overturn an election while preparing to cheat in the next election

#50 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-14 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Both sides are making policies that contradict the democracy of America.
#49 | Posted by humtake

Republicans are rewriting election laws across the country to let them cheat and make it harder for dems to vote.

What are dems doing in your -------- "both sides" false equivalency?

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-14 01:12 PM | Reply

The problem isn't our democracy going away, the problem is America is too full of people who are willing to do harm in any way to others who don't agree with their opinion.

#49 | Posted by humtake

No the problem is your cult realizing they can't win under democracy so instead of adjusting their policies to appeal to more people or ditching their con man cult leader, they decide to replace democracy with fascism.

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-14 01:43 PM | Reply

Hell, most Libs just on this site alone can't even realize that they are whining about Reps worshipping Trump when Dems did the same thing to Obama and are doing the same thing to Biden. It's not worship, it's the fact that most can't be objective and see their own hypocrisy.
#49 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE AT 2021-10-14 01:03 PM | REPLY | FLAG:EYE ROLL

NO, we did not.

9/11 and Bush family alliances, WMDs, Katrina, Economic collapse... all disasters that your party defended marching like a bunch of lemmings. Lofty goals based on right-wing cliche's where they're making God happy trying to crush "the gays" agenda in Teletubbies land. He left office in disgrace.

Obama did nothing like that... except mop up the clown's economic messes, pass the ACA, and get bin Laden. He approached each project with tangible objectives... and wear a beige suit. His two terms had no scandals and economic recovery in full motion when he left office with honor.

Trumptidump had this huge objective of killing the ACA and replacing it with something better... but who knew it could be so complicated? HA! He won't even let God see his tax returns. The loudest base of republicl0wnery is the same people that give their television pastor their last penny so he can buy a fleet of private jets to avoid demons. Then there all them white boys in full frontal hoodies who just love him. He left office in disgrace.

Seriously dooooood. Your peeps are whack.

#53 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-10-14 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They don't need one. Running on a platform of correcting all of Biden's messy policies might be enough.

#44 | Posted by madbomber

You have examples to back that up, right? You must or you wouldn't post something like that.

Right mythdumber?

#54 | Posted by billy_boy at 2021-10-14 08:10 PM | Reply

#17 | Posted by Skeptical

Wow, you probably typed that nonsense with a straight face and believed it.

Bravo, your self delusion has reached a new level.

#55 | Posted by billy_boy at 2021-10-14 08:15 PM | Reply

"Is a fair election one where the person with less votes wins?"

In a constitutional republic?

Absolutely.

#56 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 08:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Is a free election one where local cult members can overturn results if they don't like them?"

Nope.

I don't think so, but I'm not a constitutional scholar.

Nor am I a member of the Supreme Court, who would ultimately determine the constitutionality of something like that.

#57 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 08:56 PM | Reply

"You have examples to back that up, right? You must or you wouldn't post something like that."

I spent most of Monday pointing out Biden's messy policies.

drudge.com

#58 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 08:58 PM | Reply

"Please define free and fair election."

One where one candidate wins enough electoral votes to cross the finish line.

Like the one we just had.

#59 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 08:59 PM | Reply

#56 - You'd be right if you said "In THIS constitutional republic, yes."

When you take the power from the people and you install, by whatever means, someone they did not vote for, you are playing with fire.

#60 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-14 08:59 PM | Reply

Hey MadBomber,

Nice moving the goalposts, from "free and fair" to "Constitutional."

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 09:00 PM | Reply

"Only one party is trying to overturn an election while preparing to cheat in the next election"

You sound exactly like the Repubs did prior to the 2020 elections.

#62 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 09:00 PM | Reply

I spent most of Monday pointing out Biden's messy policies.

You spend most of Monday dodging the name of the essential liberty you scarified.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 09:01 PM | Reply

"Republicans are rewriting election laws across the country to let them cheat and make it harder for dems to vote."

Why would a law apply differently to one party than the next?

#64 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 09:01 PM | Reply

"Nice moving the goalposts, from "free and fair" to "Constitutional."

I suppose that's a fair statement.

Concepts of "free" and "fair" are subjective.

Constitutionality is not.

My oath of office was not to protect "free" or "fair," it was to protect the constitution.

It's really the only thing that matters.

#65 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 09:03 PM | Reply

"Concepts of "free" and "fair" are subjective.
Constitutionality is not."

It's subjective as anything else.
It's up to nine Supreme Court justice.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 09:04 PM | Reply

"It's really the only thing that matters."

Hey, you're the one who brought up "free and fair."
But at least you can acknowledge you don't actually care if elections are free and fair.
You're one of those "America is not a democracy" guys, right?

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 09:11 PM | Reply

"Why would a law apply differently to one party than the next?"

Ask gay people.
A law from 1868 made it legal for them to get married, but nobody noticed until 2015.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 09:13 PM | Reply

"When you take the power from the people and you install, by whatever means, someone they did not vote for, you are playing with fire."

What people?

What power?

#69 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 09:14 PM | Reply

"What people?"

Voters.

"What power?"

Self-determination.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 09:15 PM | Reply

"But at least you can acknowledge you don't actually care if elections are free and fair."

Not a bit. Because those are subjective concepts. Constitutionality is not.

"You're one of those "America is not a democracy" guys, right?"

It's not a Democracy.

We have constitution that is largely intended to protect citizens from the mob rule that would likely result from democracy.

I doubt you're much of fan of democracy as well.

#71 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 09:16 PM | Reply

"Ask gay people."

Gay is a party?

How did laws regarding gay people affect their ability to vote?

#72 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 09:17 PM | Reply

"It's not a Democracy."

LOL.
What do we vote for, then?
???

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 09:19 PM | Reply

"We have constitution that is largely intended to protect citizens from the mob rule that would likely result from democracy."

You mean, protect citizens from government?
Democracy isn't incompatible with having a Constitution.

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 09:20 PM | Reply

"Gay is a party?"

Two parties, when getting married. Marriage being a three party contract between two individuals and the State.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 09:21 PM | Reply

"What do we vote for, then?"

^
Why is this question so impossible for people who say we aren't a democracy to answer?

I've asked it at least a dozen times, not once has it been answered.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 09:25 PM | Reply

"Is a fair election one where the person with less votes wins?"
In a constitutional republic?
Absolutely.
#56 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

LOL!!!!

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 09:28 PM | Reply

"What do we vote for, then?"

You can vote for people. That's generally constitutional. You are sometimes able to vote for stuff, provided that stuff is permitted by the constitution.

#78 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 09:34 PM | Reply

"Democracy isn't incompatible with having a Constitution."

Is that a question or a statement?

#79 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 09:34 PM | Reply

"LOL!!!!"

That's funny?

#80 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 09:35 PM | Reply

Does our Constitution specify who wins an election, MadBomber?

Is it the person with less votes?

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 09:39 PM | Reply

So we vote for things... but that's not Democracy.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 09:39 PM | Reply

"Does our Constitution specify who wins an election, MadBomber?"

It does for president.

It's whomever gathers the most electoral votes.

#83 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 09:48 PM | Reply

"So we vote for things... but that's not Democracy."

It's not.

A majority cannot vote in favor of something that would violate the constitutional rights of others.

#84 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 09:49 PM | Reply

^

That's why I said "Democracy isn't incompatible with having a Constitution."

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 09:55 PM | Reply

Pretty much.

#86 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 10:23 PM | Reply

So, you gonna stop saying we're not a democracy?

No, of course not! You're incapable of leaning.

You can be trained, but not taught.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 10:26 PM | Reply

#87 Democracy has both a specific and generic definition.

Specifically, it is pure mob rule 50% + 1 of a vote is all that's needed for the majority to trample the minority.

Generically, it simply means that government officials are elected to office via voting by citizens.

#88 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-14 10:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"So, you gonna stop saying we're not a democracy?"

The US is not a democracy.

It's a constitutional republic.

Do you understand that or not?

#89 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 11:30 PM | Reply

"Generically, it simply means that government officials are elected to office via voting by citizens."

I don't know if this happened or not, but 51% of ISIS members could have voted to enslave the Yazidi women and children and kill the Yazidi men and that would have been a democratic outcome.

#90 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 11:32 PM | Reply

#90 I get that.

Let me try to articulate this in a different way.

"I support democracy."

"This country is not a Democracy."

The UK and US have different structures of government. They are both "democracies" in the sense that their leaders are elected by citizen voters. How they are able to wield their powers varies but they were put into their positions of power by voters. That is democracy in the generic sense.

#91 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-14 11:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If the Democrats are apathetic in the next election, the Merican Democracy as you know it will end. The Republicans are declining in power and are fighting for survival. Cheating is a necessity.

#92 | Posted by iloveyou at 2021-10-15 12:18 AM | Reply

Not a single Republican, Independent, or Libertarian has disagreed with the headline.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-15 12:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The US is not a democracy.
It's a constitutional republic.
Do you understand that or not?
#89 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Can we be both Constitutional Republic and a Democracy, or are those things are mutually exclusive?

The Geroge W. Bush Presidental Center
www.bushcenter.org
FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY
Affirming the values of freedom and democracy, strengthening the institutions that secure these values at home, and helping to spread them abroad.

Is George W. Bush wrong? Do we not have democracy at home?

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-15 12:27 AM | Reply

"They are both "democracies" in the sense that their leaders are elected by citizen voters."

As a constitutional republic, the United States was established as a collection of states with their own sovereign powers engaged in a collaborative effort as partners. That's the reason why each state has two senators. To ensure that each state has equal say to all others, regardless of size or population.

Our progressive friends would tell you, and I would agree with them, that this is undemocratic. That the electoral college is undemocratic. Because at the federal level, the intent was not to be democratic. Within each state, different story, but at the federal level the states represented it's citizens in such as way that, nationwide, one person does not equal one vote.

It has to be this way, or there is no United States of American. Just the state of America.

Other nations protect sovereignty and states rights in other ways. In Germany, the federal government had little to no ability to dictate laws to the Bundeslanden. This was intentional, part of the structure of the new government of the BRD after WWII. That all changed in early 2021 when the federal government of Germany used the pandemic as a pretext for establishing unilateral control over the states, who were viewed at the federal level as not doing enough to combat COVID.

#95 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-15 08:41 AM | Reply

"Can we be both Constitutional Republic and a Democracy, or are those things are mutually exclusive?"

No. You can't be a true democracy when the constitution places limits on democratic outcomes.

#96 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-15 08:42 AM | Reply

#94

I think most people refer to democracy with the understanding that it protects individual freedom. It doesn't. The constitution does that.

It's a conflation of terms. Like capitalism.

Most people who claim to be anti-capitalist don't know what they are talking about, especially if they're talking about inequality or distriution of resources. It's not capitalism that produces those outcomes, it's the free market. It's individuals being able to allocate resources in a manner best befitting their individual needs.

But it's difficult for someone to make friends by claiming that the world would be a better, more equitable place if people were prohibited from acting in their best economic interests.

#97 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-15 08:47 AM | Reply

"I think most people refer to democracy with the understanding that it protects individual freedom. It doesn't. The constitution does that."

We vote for our government, that's why our government is a democracy.

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-15 12:41 PM | Reply

"It's not capitalism that produces those outcomes, it's the free market."

Free market is a concept; a set of principles.
It's not an actual market like the flea market they set up every Saturday down at the old roller rink.

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-15 12:43 PM | Reply

"But it's difficult for someone to make friends by claiming that the world would be a better, more equitable place if people were prohibited from acting in their best economic interests."

Like Stalin, your best economic interest would be to rob a bank.

You're prohibited from doing that, though.

Stalin did it anyway. Because he's better at economics than you are.

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-15 12:46 PM | Reply

#97 | Posted by madbomber

Like most, you're conflating capitalism and commerce. Commerce can and does exist in every economic system. Capitalism is commerce as religion.

#101 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-10-15 01:20 PM | Reply

"Like Stalin, your best economic interest would be to rob a bank."

It would?

Why?

How is something that could get me killed or thrown in jail be in my best interest, economic or otherwise.

#102 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-15 02:30 PM | Reply

No risk, no reward.

Don't you understand how Capitalism works?

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-15 02:31 PM | Reply

Shannon theory of information?

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-15 02:32 PM | Reply

#101

That's half close. Or a third rather.

Sentence three contradicts sentence one.

#105 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-15 02:38 PM | Reply

The second sentence is true though.

#106 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-15 02:38 PM | Reply

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