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Wednesday, October 13, 2021

A man armed with a bow and arrows killed five people Wednesday near the Norwegian capital of Oslo before he was arrested, authorities said.

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ALTAMONTE SPRINGS, Fla. -- Police in central Florida have arrested the father of a toddler who found a loaded handgun in his "Paw Patrol" backpack and fatally shot his mother while she was on a Zoom call for work. Veondre Avery, 22, was arrested Tuesday and charged with negligent manslaughter and unsafe storage of a firearm, Altamonte Springs police said.

Bow & arrow dude could have greased a lot more with the kid's handgun.

#1 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-13 07:40 PM | Reply

Cupid took the wrong arrows.
Doh!

#2 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-13 08:07 PM | Reply

Hmmm...giving me ideas about my Ballistic Mirage and any given tRump rally.

Naw, waste of arrows.

They'll off themselves through poor life choices much faster than I can.

#3 | Posted by billy_boy at 2021-10-13 09:41 PM | Reply

#1,

That's some good deflection right there..

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2021-10-13 11:17 PM | Reply

That's some good deflection right there..

You think he would have killed fewer people with a handgun?

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-13 11:45 PM | Reply

The US murder rate is 10 times that of the US. 10 times.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-13 11:48 PM | Reply

that of Norway.

#7 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-13 11:49 PM | Reply

That's because Norway outlawed guns after Anders Breivik's
mass shooting that left 69 people dead. Tougher to kill
large amounts of people w a bow and arrow. Only through stealth, and
shooting people widely spaced apart (or packed together),
could he likely have managed this many kills with a bow.

#8 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-10-14 08:28 AM | Reply

"You think he would have killed fewer people with a handgun?"

5 people shot dead with arrows is 99.999991% more than anyone with a handgun.
Try focusing on article's lesson for once.

When there is a will, there is a way.

#9 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-10-14 08:34 AM | Reply

So if it's just number of dead vs number of dead... You're not really interested in the fixing the root cause, just minimizing the damage.

#10 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-10-14 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe it's not the weapon..

It's the person...

#11 | Posted by boaz at 2021-10-14 12:10 PM | Reply

Maybe we can't ban people, but we can ban weapons.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 12:15 PM | Reply

So why don't we just renounce our military superiority and stop making advanced weapons systems? It's the person right? We don't need no stinkin' nuclear arms,or fighter jets. Efficiency in killing isn't important?

As a military man you know better. Guns kill more, faster and with less effort.

Why the lying --------? You have no good faith argument on that score.

Gun control would save lives. There is no good faith argument to the contrary. A bow and arrow is lethal when used correctly. A semi automatic assault rifle is far more efffective. Would you fight Iraqis with a Bow and arrows? When they are armed with AK-47s?

I think we all know the answer to that.

Just cut the crap, you love guns and don't want them restricted for any reason. Just admit it.

The constant harping on other weapons as being equivalent is lying -------- and you know it.

#13 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-10-14 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You have a childish way of looking at that.

Would you fight Iraqis with a Bow and arrows? When they are armed with AK-47s?

You actually make my point for me. The only ones gun control works on is those who follow it.

#14 | Posted by boaz at 2021-10-14 02:26 PM | Reply

Gun Deaths/Violence in the US are a symptom of the rot at the heart of this country. Until the "cause" is dealt with, the symptoms will persist. Notice how well prohibition/the drug war were successful? A gun in itself can't do harm. It takes a person to do so. an Autocratic response isn't the path. The healing of the soul of this country is. As long as there is a disparity of wealth, resources, racial injustice, lack of opportunity, decent education, this story will continue as before.

#15 | Posted by DMTDust at 2021-10-14 02:29 PM | Reply

The US murder rate is 10 times that of the US. 10 times.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-13 11:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

that of Norway.

#7 | Posted by bored

Australia is another good example. Practically zero gun violence after they enacted laws following a mass shooting.

Civilians are not allowed to possess automatic and semi-automatic firearms, self-loading and pump action shotguns, handguns with a calibre in excess of .38in with only narrow exemptions, semi-automatic handguns with a barrel length less than 120mm, and revolvers with a barrel length less than 100mm

#16 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-10-14 03:56 PM | Reply

"The US murder rate is 10 times that of the US. 10 times."

That's not a good enough reason for Republicans and Independents and Libertarians to support gun control.

They'll only care when it affects them, abd by the time it affects them they will be dead from a gun murder, so it won't matter.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 04:33 PM | Reply

en.wikipedia.org

#18 | Posted by DMTDust at 2021-10-14 04:54 PM | Reply

Why are you so afraid? I go everywhere unarmed and unafraid. Why the need to have the greater firepower? Combat fatigue? Why always expect the worst everywhere?

Gun control is just good citizenship. The bad seeds are around but with good enforcement they will get weeded out.

I just see a combat damaged fearmonger.

The evil bad guys lurking everywhere,it must be exhausting to live like that.

#19 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-10-14 05:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That's not a good enough reason for Republicans and Independents and Libertarians to support gun control."

What do you mean?

We already have gun control.

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 10:30 PM | Reply

"We already have gun control."

The Second Amendment makes effective gun control illegal, nitwit.

You can't whitelist everyone for gun ownership and also have effective gun control.

Effective gun control is incompatible with a right to gun ownership, just like effective road safety would be impossible if we didn't license drivers, just like safe health care wouldn't be possible if we didn't license doctors.

Stop pretending to being a moron. Stop pretending you don't understand simple concepts.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 10:37 PM | Reply

#21 I would argue that banning fully automatic weapons is pretty effective gun control. Throw in mandatory background checks as well as serious restrictions for former felons....it ain't perfect but effective restrictions do exist. 2A prevents restrictions from going too far but even the NRA supports some of the restrictions that currently exist.

#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-14 10:45 PM | Reply

"#21 I would argue that banning fully automatic weapons is pretty effective gun control."

Setting aside that fully automatic weapnos are not banned,
They certainly aren't used to kill a lot of people!

So then, why not extend the ban to other types of weapons, since as you've pointed out, that ban has been very effective?
???

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 10:47 PM | Reply

"The Second Amendment makes effective gun control illegal, nitwit."

If by control you mean prohibition, then yes. 2A does prevent gun prohibition.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 10:49 PM | Reply

"I would argue that banning fully automatic weapons is pretty effective gun control."

fully automatic weapons aren't banned.

Honestly, the best answer for all side, IMO, would be to follow the Swiss model. It might conflict with 2A, but certainly less so than most other efforts to limit access to firearms.

Even Germany has a huge gun culture. There is a firing range just a few kilometers from my house. And you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a deer stand.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 10:52 PM | Reply

Setting aside that fully automatic weapnos are not banned

They are effectively banned. An extremely specific background is required to even have the possibility of legally obtaining one. During the '80's the Uzi was a big thing in movies because it was accessible. Those days are long gone.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-14 10:55 PM | Reply

"Honestly, the best answer for all side, IMO, would be to follow the Swiss model."

That model is illegal here in the United States, because even that modest level of gun control cannot survive the Second Amendment.

If by control you mean prohibition, then yes. 2A does prevent gun prohibition.
#24 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

That's not what I mean.
Gun control is not possible when there is a right to bear arms.
There is plenty of room between prohibition and a right, but you don't seem to be able to learn that.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 10:56 PM | Reply

They are effectively banned. An extremely specific background is required to even have the possibility of legally obtaining one. During the '80's the Uzi was a big thing in movies because it was accessible. Those days are long gone.
#26 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Right, so if Uzis can be banned, and that's effective, why not ban other kinds of guns?
???

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 10:57 PM | Reply

Even Germany has a huge gun culture. There is a firing range just a few kilometers from my house.
#25 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Yep. They do. They also have gun control.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 10:58 PM | Reply

"That model is illegal here in the United States, because even that modest level of gun control cannot survive the Second Amendment."

Really?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

Switzerland issues weapons to citizens who join or are conscripted, who then have the choice of purchasing the weapon once their service is complete. The intent is to create an armed population that could serve as a militia in the time of a national emergency.

That sort of sounds like the intent of 2A to me.

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 11:02 PM | Reply

"Yep. They do. They also have gun control."

I could literally go out and purchase the same guns in Germany that I could in the US.

I could even go hunting with a semi-automatic AR-10 if I wanted to.

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 11:03 PM | Reply

I guess maybe I don't know what you mean when you refer to gun control.

A training and certification process such as what's in place in Germany or Switzerland?

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 11:05 PM | Reply

Yes.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 11:05 PM | Reply

#28 Interesting question. In some ways it boils down to what the public will accept as it pertains to banning certain types of guns. A court challenge to the fully automatic weapon ban could potentially be interesting (yes, it's not a complete ban but the law is so restrictive that it might as well be) but an overwhelming majority of gun owners are primarily concerned about self-defense, hunting and recreational activities like shooting skeet or target shooting. Self defense is by far the top of the list and semi-automatic weapons are completely up to the task of personal defense. An overwhelming majority of people in favor of gun ownership for themselves or allowing for others to own guns simply don't care that an Uzi or a Thompson are, for the most part, banned.

#34 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-14 11:08 PM | Reply

I don't disagree.

The simple fact of being able to buy a firearm doesn't do anything to contribute to a well regulated militia. Not if you don't know how to use it.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 11:08 PM | Reply

"an overwhelming majority of gun owners are primarily concerned about self-defense, hunting and recreational activities like shooting skeet or target shooting. "

An overwhelming majority of gun owners, if they ever shoot anyone, shoot themselves. Followed by their wife/girlfriend.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 11:11 PM | Reply

"Self defense is by far the top of the list and semi-automatic weapons are completely up to the task of personal defense."

Semi-auto low-velocity weapons-yes.

High power rifles? No way. Way too ungainly in close quarters, and the round is going to travel right through the target and anything behind it for a significant distance.

Even when out shooting my AR-10, I'm very careful about where I'm at and what might be half a mile downrange.

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-10-14 11:13 PM | Reply

"The simple fact of being able to buy a firearm doesn't do anything to contribute to a well regulated militia."

Of course it doesn't, but the "well regulated militia" part has no bearing on the underlying right.
That's best interpreted as pro-gun propaganda, as it has literally no legal meaning whatsoever.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 11:13 PM | Reply

#36 An overwhelming majority of gun owners, if they ever shoot anyone, shoot themselves.

Which is why I support the 2A.

#39 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-14 11:17 PM | Reply

#39 Fair point.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-14 11:18 PM | Reply

The only ones gun control works on is those who follow it.
Yeah, that's how laws work. Speed limits only work on those willing to follow them.

The photos at the scene show practice tips on the arrows. Broadheads are illegal in Norway. The guy was committed to murdering people but didn't spend 20 euro to make his attack significantly more deadly.

In a hypothetical world where it could be proven beyond any doubt that gun laws would be followed to the letter, you would still be against them. Your excuse is just more bad faith nonsense in lieu of an argument.

You like guns and dont care how many people die. That's your argument. Be a man and own it.

#41 | Posted by BluSky at 2021-10-15 09:42 AM | Reply

The last full auto shooting was done using the "bump stock".
Which President Trump banned immediately.

#42 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-10-15 10:01 AM | Reply

the "bump stock".
Which President Trump banned immediately.

#42 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

Trump banned ... Immediately?

It took 5 months and it was the ATF that finally took action.

Congress failed to take any action and instead passed the buck to the ATF, complicating the situation and opening the door to prolonged judicial disputes, according to Senator Gillibrand.

But to his credit Trumpy did direct and even allow the ATF to do their jobs and the mass school shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on Feb. 14, 2018 (which left 17 more dead by AR15) is what brought gun control back into the forefront of the national debate and pressured the ATF to act.

So five months (or IMMEDIATELY according to Uncle Fester) after the Las Vegas shooting, bump stocks were eventually banned " much to the NRA's chagrin.

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-15 10:29 AM | Reply

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