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Sunday, October 17, 2021

Hedge-fund mogul John Paulson, who was behind the "the greatest trade ever" -- in 2007, he personally made $4 billion on his short of subprime mortgages -- thinks cryptocurrencies are a bubble that will prove to be "worthless." Michael Burry, the quirky hedge-fund manager made famous in The Big Short movie (played by Christian Bale), complains that no one is paying attention to crypto's leverage. For months, he has been suggesting that bitcoin is on the precipice of collapse.

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NFTs are definitely a bubble - tulip mania but for bad JPEG art.

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-10-17 08:05 PM | Reply

Bitcoin is somewhat anonymous and in high demand by people that don't want their financial transactions tracked by law enforcement.

Bitcoin is also:
vulnerable to a 51% attach, and China wants to stop mining in China.
expensive to transact.
prone to key loss, 20% of all coins are 'lost'.
prone to fraud, there is no regulator that could reverse fraud, so it is rampant.
enables all sorts of criminal activities.

I think it is a bubble and I hope it dies soon.

#2 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-17 08:35 PM | Reply

"Bitcoin is somewhat anonymous and in high demand by people that don't want their financial transactions tracked by law enforcement."

You're saying you do want your financial transactions tracked by law enforacement?

What about Mah Freedumbs!

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-17 08:59 PM | Reply

All crypto is going to crash in the near future. As someone point out 20% of it is stolen or "vanishes", otherwise known as dark market manipulation.

Got a kid at work that just "invested" in some crypto currency.
Luckily he's only in for $100. I basically told him it's sort of a ponzi scheme, that I wouldn't go all in on. I told him the minute there is a significant jump to get out and get your money back.

#4 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-10-18 01:51 AM | Reply

"I basically told him it's sort of a ponzi scheme"

Well...what does the company make? Really.

Dell makes computers.
Microsoft makes software.
Abbott makes pharmaceuticals.

What does Bitcoin make? At this point, my best guess is "chumps".

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 02:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#5 Heat, lots of heat.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-18 02:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3 The reason I want banks and the government to have some regulated control over my money, is because I want them to protect me from fraud. Bitcoin prevents reversing fraud.

#7 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-18 03:01 AM | Reply

#5 Bitcoin isn't a company. It's a currency being minted by collective proof of work.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-18 07:14 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Charles Mackay's Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds (1841) doesn't tell the whole story, but it's a good place to start.

#9 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-10-18 07:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bitcoin is being mined, sold and traded based upon its market value. Bitcoin has no intrinsic value.

It is possible to make money on Bitcoin, many people have. It is also possible to lose money on Bitcoin, many people have.

It is legalized gambling.

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-18 11:50 AM | Reply

Related...

Bitcoin Comes to the Big Board
www.nytimes.com

..Here come the Bitcoin E.T.F.s

Bitcoin has been on a tear in recent weeks, approaching record high prices above $60,000, as crypto enthusiasts anticipate history in the making. Tomorrow morning, ProShares will launch a long-awaiting exchange-traded fund on the New York Stock Exchange linked to Bitcoin futures, the firm and the exchange told DealBook. The E.T.F. will give investors exposure to Bitcoin without having to hold the cryptocurrency directly, via any ordinary brokerage account....


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-18 11:58 AM | Reply

... Hedge-fund mogul John Paulson, who was behind the "the greatest trade ever" ...

Anyone remember the very few people who forecast the stock market crash of 1987, and how well their subsequent forecasts have done?

I thought so...

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-18 12:01 PM | Reply

"Bitcoin is being mined, sold and traded based upon its market value. Bitcoin has no intrinsic value."

A currency mechanism that can be used beyond the realm of government oversight has real value in the world of global finance.

It's likely a negative value for society, but that's not how accounting works.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 12:19 PM | Reply

"A currency mechanism that can be used beyond the realm of government oversight has real value in the world of global finance."

Just not the honest kind.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 12:22 PM | Reply

"Just not the honest kind."

Money is just a tool, it doesn't care if you're using it for good or evil.

See Also: Guns.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 12:25 PM | Reply

#5 Bitcoin isn't a company. It's a currency being minted by collective proof of work.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg

And by warming the planet for no reason.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-18 12:51 PM | Reply

It certainly seems that bitcoin should collapse. But hell, who really knows? I could imagine that there may always be a place in this world for speculators of this ilk.

#17 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-10-18 01:00 PM | Reply

@#16 ... And by warming the planet for no reason. ...

Look at the gambling meccas of Nevada, also warming the planet for no reason, in addition to using a lot of very scarce water.

;)

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-18 01:05 PM | Reply

Look at the gambling meccas of Nevada, also warming the planet for no reason, in addition to using a lot of very scarce water.

;)

#18 | Posted by LampLighter

Having a history of doing stupid self destructive things is no justification for finding new stupid self destructive things to do.

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-18 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"And by warming the planet for no reason."

Not for no reason.
It's making people rich.
Which is also the reason for global warming.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Having a history of doing stupid self destructive things is no justification for finding new stupid self destructive things to do."

Most any of us would gladly accept $1M in our bank accounts if the only downside were raising the global temperature 0.0001C.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 01:09 PM | Reply

Bitcoin is a bubble. You think? Gonna be entertaining watching the scramble when the music stops.

#22 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2021-10-18 01:10 PM | Reply

It is legalized gambling.
#10 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2021-10-18 11:50 AM | FLAG:

Welcome to the stock market. You can get eth options through Goldman Sachs now. Just wait until the derivative market picks up steam.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-18 01:12 PM | Reply

"Bitcoin isn't a company. It's a currency being minted by collective proof of work."

But the advantage of that work isn't owned by the investor.

The only thing the investor owns is the hope someone will come along and pay more for his Bitcoin.

At some point, that train ride has to end.

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 01:15 PM | Reply

There's growing institutional investor holdings in Bitcoin as well. Does that mean the end is near? I doubt it.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 01:15 PM | Reply

"The only thing the investor owns is the hope someone will come along and pay more for his Bitcoin."

I bought some bitcoin when Britney said she was buying some. Since then it's up. Maybe it goes down. It's not a life changing amount of money either way.

I mined some Ethereum on my video cards a few winters back, if I'm going to run a space heater it might as well make me money. I left it parked in Coinbase and it's certainly worth more than what it cost on my electric bill.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 01:17 PM | Reply

@#24 ... At some point, that train ride has to end. ...

I agree. But how far does the ride go before it ends?

That is the open question that the Bitcoin gamblers are playing with.

#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-18 01:23 PM | Reply

it's certainly worth more than what it cost on my electric bill.

#26 | Posted by snoofy

You mean it's worth more than the damage you did to the planet to earn it?

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-18 01:23 PM | Reply

"Welcome to the stock market."

Exactly! And the 1040 underwrites your first $3,000 of losses every year!

But if Dell is dropping, at some point the business and physical assets of the corporation will meet the aggregate share price, which serves as a kind of financial dewpoint. Bitcoin has no such structure.

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 01:23 PM | Reply

"I agree. But how far does the ride go before it ends?"

The folks who got out a year before Madoff got caught did fabulously!

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 01:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" how far does the ride go before it ends?"

All the way to the crash.

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#30, #31

Therein lies the gamble ...

#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-18 01:34 PM | Reply

"There's growing institutional investor holdings in Bitcoin as well. Does that mean the end is near? I doubt it."

Enron institutional investors on line #1.

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 01:39 PM | Reply

#30 Madoff ran a Ponzi scheme, not really a fair comparison.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 01:41 PM | Reply

" Therein lies the gamble ..."

Yep. My older brother once told me, "I've made a lot of money over the years by getting in a little too late, and getting out a little too early."

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 01:42 PM | Reply

" Madoff ran a Ponzi scheme, not really a fair comparison."

Really? What other investment that you have is subject to 20% "disappearing" irretrievably?

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 01:45 PM | Reply

"You mean it's worth more than the damage you did to the planet to earn it?"

Apply this rationale to any investment and let me know which ones are naughty.

Based on your reasoning, I shouldn't have any money in my bank account, since those petrodollars are warming the globe.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 01:46 PM | Reply

"Really? What other investment that you have is subject to 20% "disappearing" irretrievably?"

Well, let's say I had five $100 bills, and then one of them got stolen.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 01:47 PM | Reply

Please correct me, but doesn't each successive BTC cost more to produce than the prior one? And hasn't BTC announced a predetermined limit?

TIA

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 01:49 PM | Reply

#39 Correct, there's something like 21 million Bitcoin that can ever exist, and solving the equation gets harder every time.

See Also: Gold.

This is obviously a differentiation vs a fiat currency that can be printed endlessly, like most every fiat currency.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 01:50 PM | Reply

"Really? What other investment that you have is subject to 20% "disappearing" irretrievably?"

What is "Any bank account with $300,000 in it and the bank fails and the FDIC only insures it up to $250,000," Alex.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 01:56 PM | Reply

Energy is the lifeblood of the industrial economy, so I find a certain macabre elegance in monetizing the expenditure of energy itself as a currency.

Also, it reveals how currency itself, and the ability to make it, is a tool more readily accessible to those already rich. As in the old saying, "it takes money to make money."

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 02:06 PM | Reply

Based on your reasoning, I shouldn't have any money in my bank account, since those petrodollars are warming the globe.

#37 | Posted by snoofy

Because petrol warms people's homes. Bitcoin doesn't. It's just burning carbon for no reason other than nerds want to make money without doing any work.

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-18 02:18 PM | Reply

" What is "Any bank account with $300,000 in it and the bank fails and the FDIC only insures it up to $250,000," Alex."

So your answers are theft (someone stole my cash!), and rank stupidity (Huh? A limit?!?).

I don't see those as equals to "disappearance" at all.

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 02:26 PM | Reply

" there's something like 21 million Bitcoin that can ever exist"

Then you've just limited the train ride.

Why wouldn't expanding markets simply move on?

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 02:31 PM | Reply

" there's something like 21 million Bitcoin that can ever exist"

So for everyone to make money, there has to be an endless supply of new buyers, at progressively greater prices. But by the end, each BTC will cost much more to produce, and new buyers will be in very short supply.

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 02:41 PM | Reply

"So for everyone to make money, there has to be an endless supply of new buyers, at progressively greater prices."

Right, kinda like Picassos.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 02:43 PM | Reply

"Why wouldn't expanding markets simply move on?"

Move on to what?
By your reasoning, why do people still hold gold, there's a finite amount of gold on the earth.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 02:45 PM | Reply

"I don't see those as equals to "disappearance" at all."

Do you know why people's bitcoin disappeared?
They either encrypted it in a wallet that they forgot the password to, or they had it on a hard drive that crashed and wasn't backed up.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 02:46 PM | Reply

Well, unless you're planning on framing and hanging the Bitcoin, you're out of luck.

#50 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 02:46 PM | Reply

" Do you know why people's bitcoin disappeared?"

So will BTC replace them, or will it all eventually be disappeared, as every accident is irretrievable?

#51 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 02:48 PM | Reply

"Because petrol warms people's homes. Bitcoin doesn't."

Petrol warms the globe too.

Like I said, I literally used my computer as a space heater to mine Ethereum, rather than simply running the space heater. How are those two things different, in terms of carbon footprint?

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 02:49 PM | Reply

"So will BTC replace them, or will it all eventually be disappeared, as every accident is irretrievable?"

I don't believe there are plans to replace them. I suspect it would be difficult to demonstrate ownership of the underlying asset to begin with.

If I put money in a safe and forgot the combination, will Uncle Sam replace it? Doubt it.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 02:50 PM | Reply

"Well, unless you're planning on framing and hanging the Bitcoin, you're out of luck."

One might argue unless you're planning on hammering the gold into jewelry or using it industry, you're out of luck,

But that's not the case.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 02:52 PM | Reply

"Why wouldn't expanding markets simply move on?"

Why didn't BRK.A ever split their stock?

Because there's no need.

Now, bitcoin is only divisible down to one-hundredth-millionth of a bitcoin, called Sat, after the algorithm's creator Satoshi Nakamoto. If Bitcoin becomes worth a million dollars, transactions will be granularized down to a hundredth of a penny (if I did the math right). So there could be a hard wall there.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 02:56 PM | Reply

" If I put money in a safe and forgot the combination, will Uncle Sam replace it? Doubt it."

But you own the safe, and the ultimate ability to access your assets.

#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 03:21 PM | Reply

"But you own the safe, and the ultimate ability to access your assets."

Right, just like if I own a bitcoin wallet, or an old iPhone, but I forgot the password, so I can't get to the bitcoin.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 03:24 PM | Reply

Can you hire someone to crack the Bitcoin? Because you can hire a professional to open the safe.

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 03:28 PM | Reply

Danforth,

Ensuring a currency can't be destroyed by its owner is like asking engineers to design a plane the pilot can't fly into the Twin Towers.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 03:29 PM | Reply

"Can you hire someone to crack the Bitcoin? Because you can hire a professional to open the safe."

iPhones self-destruct their data after 10 invalid password attempts. Not sure if that can be turned off, but if that's your safe, that's on you.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 03:30 PM | Reply

Petrol warms the globe too.

Like I said, I literally used my computer as a space heater to mine Ethereum, rather than simply running the space heater. How are those two things different, in terms of carbon footprint?

#52 | Posted by snoofy

Petrol warms the globe while contributing to vital economic activity and keeping people alive.
Bitcoin warms the globe for no reason other than nerds dont want to work real jobs.

Where the hell do you live that you need year round heat from your climate change machine?

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-18 03:35 PM | Reply

"Petrol warms the globe while contributing to vital economic activity and keeping people alive."

Currency contributes to vital economic activity. That's all it does.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 03:35 PM | Reply

"Where the hell do you live that you need year round heat from your climate change machine?"

Literally every electric device generates heat, so...

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 03:36 PM | Reply

One of the problems I see with Bitcoin is that it tries to be a store of value and a currency. Bitcoin is a very expensive to transact currency.

To be a store of value you need to be able to sell it (transfer it to another owner in exchange for something). Paying a fee to transfer an asset is normal for stocks and bonds, but as bitcoin gets more expensive, so will the transfer cost. It already has limited utility as a currency (other than to avoid prosecution or third world banking extortion). At some point in the future, Bitcoin will have to mint coins above the 21 million or transactions will stop, at which point bitcoin will be utterly worthless.

#64 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-18 03:47 PM | Reply

"Bitcoin will have to mint coins above the 21 million or transactions will stop"

Well that's mathematically impossible.
Fixed number of coins is a feature of most coins. Otherwise, if you could just mint a Bitcoin by fiat, why would it be worth anything?
The entire point is, this bitcoin is this bitcoin, and it can't be counterfeited. It essentially enforces honor among thieves.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 03:52 PM | Reply

www.reddit.com
you want actually unpopular opinions? here we go
crypto is a big bubble that is competing with the fiat bubble in a game of chicken who bursts first.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 04:03 PM | Reply

Currency contributes to vital economic activity. That's all it does.

#62 | Posted by snoofy

And we already had one. You just added a new one we dont need that releases more carbon we can't afford to release.

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-18 04:24 PM | Reply

Literally every electric device generates heat, so...

#63 | Posted by snoofy

So you admit you have to turn up your AC in the summer to undo the heat released by your climate change machine, further increasing the carbon released from your choices.

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-18 04:25 PM | Reply

More likely they'll all burst together.

#69 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-18 04:31 PM | Reply

"And we already had one. You just added a new one we dont need that releases more carbon we can't afford to release."

I ran a space heater. It used that energy to do math, instead of just heat up a resistor. I'm hard pressed to see why what I did was worse than run a space heater that doesn't do math.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 04:31 PM | Reply

"So you admit you have to turn up your AC in the summer to undo the heat released by your climate change machine"

Not the heat, the CO2.
Are you looking down on us from atop your windmill that generates all the electricity you use?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 04:33 PM | Reply

"More likely they'll all burst together."

Tend to agree. Unlike currencies, which are tied to the fate of the underlying nation.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 04:34 PM | Reply

"It essentially enforces honor among thieves."

Tell that to the ransomware purveyors who just learned their software provider installed a back door.

#73 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-18 04:36 PM | Reply

I ran a space heater. It used that energy to do math, instead of just heat up a resistor. I'm hard pressed to see why what I did was worse than run a space heater that doesn't do math.

#70 | Posted by snoofy

Because you had to run an ac to cool your house down after your climate change machine heated it up. Using energy to make money for nothing, and then using MORE energy to cool down the heat created by your money for nothing climate change machine.

#74 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-18 04:40 PM | Reply

"Because you had to run an ac to cool your house down after your climate change machine heated it up."

Not really, I never ran the AC in San Diego.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 04:45 PM | Reply

"Using energy to make money for nothing"

Using energy to run a space heater, which happens to make money too.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 04:50 PM | Reply

"Tell that to the ransomware purveyors who just learned their software provider installed a back door."

Failure to properly model the attack surface is all to common an occurrence in the world of ones and zeros.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 04:51 PM | Reply

#65 That is my point, when all coins are mined then what? No coins to mine, no transactions, frozen blockchain, utterly worthless. I think the spec says that at that point transactions would require a bitcoin fee to pay for PoW. Transactions involving small amounts will cost more than the amount transferred. Small accounts become worthless. The math makes this inevitable, which is similar to the math of a Ponzi scheme, eventually small participants exit, then the big ones wonder who they will sell to.

#78 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-18 05:26 PM | Reply

"#65 That is my point, when all coins are mined then what? No coins to mine, no transactions, frozen blockchain, utterly worthless. "

I don't understand.
Does gold become worthless if there is no more gold to be mined?

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 05:35 PM | Reply

Using energy to run a space heater, which happens to make money too.

#76 | Posted by snoofy

Yeah everyone knows how you need to constantly heat your home in southern california

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-18 05:52 PM | Reply

No coins to mine, no transactions

#78 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2021-10-18 05:26 PM | FLAG:

That's assuming it hits its limit. After that, transaction fees.

#81 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-18 06:57 PM | Reply

Yeah everyone knows how you need to constantly heat your home in southern california
#80 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Constantly?
No, I only mined in the winter when it was cold.
My PC was literally a space heater.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 07:46 PM | Reply

Constantly?
No, I only mined in the winter when it was cold.
My PC was literally a space heater.

#82 | Posted by snoofy

Sure.

And i'm sure all bitcoin miners do too.

#83 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-18 07:55 PM | Reply

I'm not a miner, I'm a guy with a high end video card who saw a way to get paid to run the space heater.

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 08:02 PM | Reply

I'm not a miner, I'm a guy with a high end video card who saw a way to get paid to run the space heater.

#84 | Posted by snoofy

Yeah. And an oil lobbyist is just trying to feed his kids.

#85 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-18 09:38 PM | Reply

We can tell ourselves all kinds of stories to make ourselves not the bad guy. But unless you're running on green energy or heating your arctic house all the time you are just polluting for cash. Might as well start a waste disposal business then just light everything on fire. Easy money right? Except there are laws against that. Just like there should be laws against this.

Even if you ARE doing it 100% clean you're supporting a highly polluting currency where most miners aren't doing it responsibly.

#86 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-18 09:41 PM | Reply

And this isn't like "climate change might be a problem someday" It's here now and you know it. Allowing wastes of energy like crypto right now is like taking up smoking when you already have cancer.

#87 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-18 09:42 PM | Reply

I'm fine with banning crypto.
Good luck enforcing that, though.
I mean, it's already intended to be a black market currency.
Bitcoin is certainly wasteful. I think it's Cardano that advertises itself as being like a million times more efficient to update the blockchain.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-18 11:20 PM | Reply

Use your BTC to buy a Tesla and save the planet one performance car at a time.

#89 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-19 08:19 AM | Reply

The way it's trading right now 1 coin can get you can get 3/4 of a Tesla Solar Roof or 4 standard panel installations.

#90 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-19 08:21 AM | Reply

I'm fine with banning crypto.
Good luck enforcing that, though.
I mean, it's already intended to be a black market currency.
Bitcoin is certainly wasteful. I think it's Cardano that advertises itself as being like a million times more efficient to update the blockchain.

#88 | Posted by snoofy

But as long as it wont be banned, you might as well jump on the train and grab some of that free money for heating the planet for yourself right?

#91 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-19 01:11 PM | Reply

It's a good thing that Burry became an investor - otherwise he would be an active MD shilling internet conspiracy medical solutions.

#92 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-10-20 06:38 AM | Reply

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