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Monday, October 25, 2021

Two sources are communicating with House investigators and detailed a stunning series of allegations to Rolling Stone, including a promise of a "blanket pardon" from the Oval Office

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"(M)ultiple members of Congress were intimately involved in planning both Trump's efforts to overturn his election loss and the Jan. 6 events that turned violent"

#1 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-24 11:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lock him up!!

Oh, wait, that's only for women who dare to run for President.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2021-10-24 11:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Along with Greene, the conspiratorial pro-Trump Republican from Georgia who took office earlier this year, the pair both say the members who participated in these conversations or had top staffers join in included Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.), Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas).

It's a who's who of insurrectionist filth.

#3 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-10-24 11:36 PM | Reply

This article is LONG on innuendo, non-existent on facts. They are careful not to accuse these members of congress of participating in an insurrection - just that these members of congress were involved in planning protests - yes, the 1st Amendment does in fact protect "Dotards" from being able to peaceably assemble.

#4 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-25 12:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Lock em' all up. There, fixed it for you.

#5 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-10-25 12:35 AM | Reply

But... but... but....

An alias here was so assertive that Jan6 was spontaneous.

OMG, could an alias here be posting disinformation?

I am shocked! Shocked!! I say.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-25 12:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#4 they are locked up. Many are still awaiting trial. I hate to break it to you but even your political enemies are afforded due process in this country.

#7 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-25 12:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

The two sources also claim they interacted with members of Trump's team, including former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, who they describe as having had an opportunity to prevent the violence.

The two sources, both of whom have been granted anonymity due to the ongoing investigation, describe participating in "dozens" of planning briefings ahead of that day when Trump supporters broke into the Capitol as his election loss to President Joe Biden was being certified.

"I remember Marjorie Taylor Greene specifically," the organizer says. "I remember talking to probably close to a dozen other members at one point or another or their staffs."

#8 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-10-25 12:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#5 Protests are rarely spontaneous. Riots are often, but not always, spontaneous.

#9 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-25 12:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

Along with Greene, the conspiratorial pro-Trump Republican from Georgia who took office earlier this year, the pair both say the members who participated in these conversations or had top staffers join in included Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.), Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas).

"We would talk to Boebert's team, Cawthorn's team, Gosar's team like back to back to back to back," says the organizer

And Gosar, who has been one of the most prominent defenders of the Jan. 6 rioters, allegedly took things a step further. Both sources say he dangled the possibility of a "blanket pardon" in an unrelated ongoing investigation to encourage them to plan the protests.

"Our impression was that it was a done deal," the organizer says, "that he'd spoken to the president about it in the Oval ... in a meeting about pardons and that our names came up. They were working on submitting the paperwork and getting members of the House Freedom Caucus to sign on as a show of support."

#10 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-10-25 12:39 AM | Reply

@#3 ... This article is LONG on innuendo, non-existent on facts. ...

You have yet to equate your view at least to the level of the "the election was stolen" type of comments.

Your comment seems to openly admit that planning by members of Congress is OK because of some peaceful assembly?. Wow, just friggin' wow.

Did you even see the video from January 6, 2021? Peaceful?

Please explain to me how that was peaceful.


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-25 12:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Now the previous reports of GOP members of Congress leading tours - while they were banned beccause of COVID - to show where various member's offices are come into focus.

The proverbial s*** is about to hit the fan. And according to the organizers who've been cooperating - both to save their butts and because they were PO'd it turned violent - Trump was aware of all these efforts.

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-10-25 12:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#8 I didn't say it was peaceful. What I was saying was that members of congress being involved in the planning of a protest is nothing new - I can post pictures of Democrats in congress participating in protests very recently. Show me evidence that they were involved in planning a violent riot and I say throw the book at them. This Rolling Stone article doesn't even come close.

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-25 12:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Just "WOW!!!"

The proverbial s*** is about to hit the fan! The Rolling Stone article is a "must read."

If this all pans out to be as the cooperating organizers and planners of Jan. 6 protests and insurrection at the Capitol are reported to have told the committee, Trump, Meadows, other WH staff, quite a few Trumper members of Congress are going to need commissary money to buy snacks and toothpaste in a federal pen.

And it provides focus to the 'tours' Trumper GOP members of Congress are reported to have given to insurrectionists before Jan. 6, showing them where key Dem. member's offices are despite the ban on public tours due to COVID.

#14 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-10-25 01:01 AM | Reply

Trump offering pardons, Meadows, other WH staffers and a mob of Trumper members of Congress ...

Just "WOW!"

#15 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-10-25 01:03 AM | Reply

Oh Goodie. More subpoenas coming up. I'm loving this.

#16 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-10-25 01:16 AM | Reply

"WHAT DID HE KNOW, AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT?"

Thread on Willard (hotel) from "Peril"

After Pence leaves Oval on Jan. 5, Trump is furious. Pence isn't breaking. He opens the door near the Resolute Desk. "A rush of cold air blasted the room." He (Trump) can hear the mob in the streets outside the Willard. He's elated to hear them. (p. 230)

- Robert Costa (@costareports) October 23, 2021

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-10-25 01:23 AM | Reply

@#9 ... What I was saying was that members of congress being involved in the planning of a protest is nothing new ..

I do like how your current alias continues to attempt to characterize the attempted overthrow of our government as a protest.

You will have to go a long way to convince me of that.

Do keep on trying. It is entertaining. :)

But be aware that you have a long row to hoe in that endeavor.

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-25 01:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

But... but... but...

January 6 was spontaneous.

There was no planning involved, right?

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-25 01:53 AM | Reply

There was no planning involved, right?

#4 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

As it pertains to the violent aspects of it, if reporting from Buzzfeed is to be believed, yeah, not much planning at all.

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-25 01:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

This certainly explains why the Republicans are so vehemently opposed to hearings.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-25 02:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"As it pertains to the violent aspects of it"

You mean the part where Ashli went to heaven?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-25 02:52 AM | Reply

@#5 ... As it pertains to the violent aspects of it, if reporting from Buzzfeed is to be believed, yeah, not much planning at all. ...

You will need to provide a whole lot more evidence to support your assertion than that one ambiguous reference.

I do like how you took the time to italicize "Buzzfeed" but that effort does not negate that you did not provide any manner of a link to what Buzzfeed actually reported.

So, based upon the apparent lack of any evidence, actually, anything at all, I gotta say...

A Nice Try.

But, sadly, I cannot reward your comment with any participation points. :(


#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-25 03:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Boy & Bear - Southern Sun
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#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-10-25 03:04 AM | Reply

I took AMERICAN UNITY's advice and read the whole Rolling Stone article. The scope of information is so mind blowing honest that it boggles the imagination. Names, dates, motives, testimony and everything in-between.

If you want to follow the full scope of the House investigation and its conclusion to the DOJ consider this article your GPS. You're going to need it.

#25 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-10-25 04:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Now you see why Moscow Mitch and Qevin wanted to "move on" from the attack on the Capitol despite condemning Donnie Fail in the days following the attack.

What changed? Well it is clear now that the members of Congress who met with the planners of the attack came forward and revealed their roles in the attack and it was bad enough, at least optically, that Mitch, Qevin and Lindsay decided to throw away the spines that were starting to grow back and sweep the roles their accomplice members had in the attack under the rug.

These criminal accomplices need to be held accountable for their actions as I am sure Moscow Mitch and Qevin would demand democrats be held accountable.

The meetings with the planners is bad enough, but the cover up is the act of disgusting traitors more intent on keeping power than doing what is right.

#26 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-10-25 06:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Watching videos of the attack....it is clear that some of the more violent terrorists in the attack passed by the armored windows on the ground floor and headed straight for the windows that had not been replaced yet? Those unarmored windows were some of the first entry points into the Capitol.

Who tipped them off?

Was it Margie Three Toes or Honey Bo Bo? Qevin and Mitch know and they are covering it up.

#27 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-10-25 06:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.), Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas).

It's a who's who of the bottom of the barrell of GOP scum.

#28 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-10-25 06:54 AM | Reply

G. Gordon Liddy said he was no snitch and that he would go to prison for his President, Nixon, and did.
Trump needs an army of such people, because if even two break ranks and speak to that committee, well, Merrick Garland would have to prosecute.

#29 | Posted by Hughmass at 2021-10-25 07:10 AM | Reply

What a Generation of Vipers. How did such nasty people attain positions of power? The sorry answer is that equally nasty people elected them.

#30 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-25 07:51 AM | Reply

There is no defense of these people,
these politicians, or their actions on
Jan 6th. Only sycophants and sellouts
and party loyalists would even try.

Lock them up. Lock them all up.
Boot the members guilty of collaboration
from the halls of Congress.

#31 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-10-25 08:13 AM | Reply

In this investigation of planners of a protest, was there any mention of an actual plan for violence?
Easy yes or no.

#32 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-10-25 08:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Nearly 11 months and no leadership held accountable

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-25 08:16 AM | Reply

In this investigation of planners of a protest, was there any mention of an actual plan for violence?
Easy yes or no.

#32 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

Donald Trump
It was a coup attempt. It was sedition. Donald Trump and these people are traitors. Simple, cold-blooded traitors. Time to get on the side of the Republic and the Constitution, PHESTER. Not too late to do the right thing.

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-25 08:49 AM | Reply

In this investigation of planners of a protest, was there any mention of an actual plan for violence?

I think it's cute you are advocating that the coup be bloodless. If you count hanging as bloodless.

#35 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-25 08:52 AM | Reply

In this oink oink snort oink snorestigation of planners of a protest,
oink oink snort oink snort snort oink snort any mention of an actual plan oink oink snort oink ? Easy yes or no.snort

#32 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE AT 2021-10-25 08:15 AM | FLAG PPPPPFFFFTTTT

The entire world knows republicl0wn's don't plan anything. They go the "Shock and Awe" route then wonder why things are such a mess.

#36 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-10-25 08:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you count hanging as bloodless.

#35 | POSTED BY YAV

Well, if there's an expert job of hanging no blood appears. But inexpert jobs were often known to take the head clean off the person being hanged. And the dirty, right-wing hippies who hanged Pence would have decapitated him. And then, one imagines, played football with his severed head.

#37 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-25 08:56 AM | Reply

In this investigation of planners of a protest, was there any mention of an actual plan for violence?
Easy yes or no.

#32 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

You already know the answer. Just how was a mob going to "Stop the Steal"? Were they going to shout until Congress stopped counting electoral votes? What particular orders were given to the mob by the organizers?

Let's look at what the day's speakers said themselves before unleashing the mob to storm the Capitol.

"It is up to you and I to save this Republic," Kremer told thousands of self-styled patriots in Ellipse park, south of the White House, in one of many warm-up speeches for Trump. "We are not going to back down, are we? Keep up the fight!"

About two hours after Kremer's speech, Trump took the same rally stage and exhorted this volatile mix of supporters repeatedly to "fight" - using the word more than 20 times - and "not take it any longer." He ridiculed "weak" and "pathetic" Republicans and told the crowd they must "be strong" before dispatching the "patriots" on a march to the Capitol.

Many in the crowd of thousands took that fight to the Capitol Police with far more than fiery rhetoric, battling officers with a makeshift arsenal that included metal pipes, wooden poles with embedded nails, aluminum baseball bats, a hockey stick, a wooden door ripped off its hinges, and a coffee table, according to Reuters photographers at the scene and other videos posted online. One American flag waver bludgeoned an officer repeatedly with the flagpole as fellow rioters dragged the cop from the building and down a set of outside steps.

"We the people are not going to take it anymore!" one woman shouted through a bullhorn as rioters climbed through a broken window on the west side of the Capitol building, a video posted online showed. "You are not going to take away our Trumpy bear. You are not going to take away our votes and our freedom."

www.reuters.com

Do the weapons listed point towards non-violence? Do the words of the organizers and those they allowed to speak point towards any non-violent response in Stopping the Steal?

#38 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-10-25 09:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So the answer is no plan for violence. Thanks.
Prosecute all violent rioters/protesters.

#39 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-10-25 09:06 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

No, that's not the answer. The answer is it doesn't look good for the WH or some Congressional members. We don't absolutely know if violence was planned, but we know a lot about what Trump wanted, what he was up to, how he was doing everything he could to overthrow the results of the election.

You are hoping against hope that traitors and tyrants didn't "plan" on violence. Good luck with that.

#40 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-25 09:22 AM | Reply

Phester is suddenly psychic or something in an alternate reality.

They were camming themselves. They thought they were doing something heroic and wanted the world to see. They brought weapons and things that could be used as weapons with them ... bear spray and tactical gear for scaling walls. They were live feeding themselves doing things they practiced like busting open windows.
Someone had an obvious plan. They were celebrating until they got beat down and chased off by people who didn't give a crap about their plan.

Then rather than face the music they went home and hid like the feces throwing monkeys they are until they were hunted down.

That's who you're defending.

Typical white boy response from you though, acting like they were just a bunch of "good ol' boys who don't mean no harm".

#41 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-10-25 09:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Phester's argument reminds me of the Bill Cosby date rape defense. It wasn't violent, nor was it intended to be violent-- so it wasn't rape.

It also reminds me of the of the proverbial jailer, just prior to the proverbial riot that took 500 proverbial lives, unlocking all of the proverbial jailcells and then walking away (proverbially). Unlocking the doors themselves was not an act of violence, and the inmates, although most were known felons, were not armed- therefore, the jailer was not guilty of anything but colossal stupidity- and stupidity is not a violent crime, now, is it???

#42 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-10-25 09:26 AM | Reply

Lock the all up.
We are going to have to build more prisons.

#43 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-10-25 09:46 AM | Reply

#4 | POSTED BY BALLWASHER

#44 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-10-25 09:51 AM | Reply

Wrong.
My point is.. Some of the participants went looking for trouble if as youns claim, they were armed.
The original plan was for a protest march. Those are very much in vogue and some do turn deadly..
As I said From Day One... Prosecute the smashing pillaging SOBs.

#45 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-10-25 09:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"You are hoping against hope that traitors and tyrants didn't "plan" on violence. Good luck with that.
#40 | POSTED BY YAV"

Wrong again. If it's proven the leaders planned violence at the US Capitol, they need to be prosecuted along with the "actors".
Why are you meatheads are so afraid of truth and facts?

#46 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-10-25 09:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

If it's proven the leaders planned violence at the US Capitol

#46 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

What if they just hoped for violence, and that any violence that happened cut their way?

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-25 10:04 AM | Reply

What if they supported the violence indirectly, like by delaying the military response to it?

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-25 10:05 AM | Reply

Interesting how many of the same accounts that were posting on this site claiming so called election irregularities, despite no evidence of such, are now parsing words and splitting hairs to defend an actual attempt to steal the presidency by overthrowing the US Constitution.

#49 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-10-25 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What if they just hoped for violence,"

What if one of them "hoped" to hit the lottery?
Pretty damn sad to be slandered for what you think someone *might hope for.

#50 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-10-25 10:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Easy yes or no.

#32 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

I have a few easy yes or nos for you...

Why were the Capitol Police so flat footed - was it because their leadership had been instructed to be by the administration?
Why was there no assistance provided for the Capitol Police for hours when Trump could have done so - was it because he wanted the riot to succeed?
Why were certain named GOP Representatives giving unusual guided tours (to people later arrested) when tours were not allowed - was it reconnaissance work?

I think everyone knows what happens when you whip up a bunch of radicals and tell them to "stop the steel". Some of this group were clearly organized and prepared. Video evidence at the event and evidence of their planning and practice shows us that. Coincidentally some of these same people were some of the people getting tours when tours were not allowed.

#51 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-10-25 10:35 AM | Reply

Now a search for truth and facts is supporting the overthrow of the US Constitution?
I fear for the future.

#52 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-10-25 10:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

You don't answer why questions with yes or no.

#53 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-10-25 10:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Prosecute the smashing pillaging SOBs.
#45 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

How about the legislators and policy makers who were trying to overturn the election?
Did they do anything wrong, when they violated their Oath of Office, and pressured others to violate their Oath of Office to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-25 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

This article is LONG on innuendo, non-existent on facts. They are careful not to accuse these members of congress of participating in an insurrection - just that these members of congress were involved in planning protests - yes, the 1st Amendment does in fact protect "Dotards" from being able to peaceably assemble.

#4 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Why is it that righties here claim to be against 1/6 but always seem to be ready to downplay, deny and deflect for the perpetrators?

Just admit you're only disappointment with 1/6 was that it failed. We already know that to be the case anyway.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-25 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is Merrick Garland the right attorney general?
I'm starting to think he's too passive.

#56 | Posted by Docman at 2021-10-25 11:55 AM | Reply

DOCMAN-I'm with you. I can't help but think this committee will uncover the worst of the worst, pass it on to DOJ, nothing happens and trump gets back in in 2024.

#57 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2021-10-25 12:05 PM | Reply

Nixon did the same thing. Republicans are greasy, spineless little hustlers out for only power. ------- Roger Stone is behind 1/6. He's still mad about selling out to Nixon and then Nixon proving to be unworthy by resigning. Sycophants like BallDinger are no different than Stone. Republican squirrels in congress, the 147 that signed the pledge, only did it because of the enormous commercial possibilities should Trump succeed.

#58 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-10-25 12:14 PM | Reply

#57

If that's true, then they're all in on it. If Democrats don't pursue prosecution, then D.C. is just another good ol' boys club where they cover up for themselves because to other party might do the same in the future, or has in the past. They don't want to set precedent. They are a bunch of lawyers after all.

#59 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-10-25 12:18 PM | Reply

And this for "peaceful protests"-my ass

From the Rolling Stone story

And Gosar, who has been one of the most prominent defenders of the Jan. 6 rioters, allegedly took things a step further. Both sources say he dangled the possibility of a "blanket pardon" in an unrelated ongoing investigation to encourage them to plan the protests.

"Our impression was that it was a done deal," the organizer says, "that he'd spoken to the president about it in the Oval ... in a meeting about pardons and that our names came up. They were working on submitting the paperwork and getting members of the House Freedom Caucus to sign on as a show of support."

The organizer claims the pair received "several assurances" about the "blanket pardon" from Gosar.

"I was just going over the list of pardons and we just wanted to tell you guys how much we appreciate all the hard work you've been doing," Gosar said, according to the organizer.

#60 | Posted by northlimadawg at 2021-10-25 12:38 PM | Reply

You don't need a "blanket pardon" if you're planning a peaceful protest.

#61 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-25 01:05 PM | Reply

Short of an email from DJT reading "raid the Congress and know I'll have your back" - people who look the other way to Jan 6 will keep with the notion that protest is legal - and Trump and his cronies aren't responsible for other people's actions.

But I do think the committee's work is needed and they do need to dig and see what happened.

I'm just amazed that a true American is still fine with Trump sitting there, letting it happen, and continuing to perpetrate the lie that his office was stolen from him AFTER all that happened.

You want to still champion for Conservatives and their ideas, so be it. But to want Trump to be the face of the party after that? The guy is a traitor in my book.

He symbolizes exactly what you DO NOT want in a leader.

#62 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-25 01:33 PM | Reply

Is Merrick Garland the right attorney general?
I'm starting to think he's too passive.

I think he's going to be fine on this issue. Other people - who were under Trump - are cooperating.

You think he's going to let Bannon who was not at the time simply walk away?

He would not allow you or me to walk away, so why Bannon? He's got no cover in this fight.

#63 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-25 01:36 PM | Reply

Why is it that righties here claim to be against 1/6 but always seem to be ready to downplay, deny and deflect for the perpetrators?
Just admit you're only disappointment with 1/6 was that it failed. We already know that to be the case anyway.

#55 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-10-25 11:11 AM | REPLY

Righties just are pointing to the facts that you don't care about. You shouted with glee for instance when it was falsly reported that a security officer was beat to death with a fire extinguisher. It was false and prooved false but you refuse to accept it. you also leave out that Trump said march peacefully. You also told us multiple security were killed, again not true. Righties say this was a bunch of knuckle heads who were pissed because no one covered Hunter, no one interviewed or asked Biden tough questions, the Georgia tape scene where Democrat pollsters told everyone to get out of the counting room and then let dem counters back in in the middle of the night, etc., etc. They broke in, walked around, took videos and pictures and left. it took three hours. Congress came back in, the election was certified, end of story. But if morons like you who are little thoughtless sheep want to say this was worse than 9/11 or Pearl Harbor go ahead. You obviously don't care if you come across as some kind of a ------- anyway.

#64 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-10-25 02:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How about the legislators and policy makers who were trying to overturn the election?
Did they do anything wrong, when they violated their Oath of Office, and pressured others to violate their Oath of Office to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States?

#54 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-10-25 11:00 AM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)
| NEWSWORTHY 1

It happened in 2016 by Democrats. They didn't want to certify the election after Trump won. Bush vs Gore as well.

#65 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-10-25 02:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Bannon might show up after he loses all his appeals re the subpoena but that's no guarantee he's going to squeal on Trump. This is not his first rodeo. He knows how to use the courts to run out the clock.

Remember, the object isn't to win any of his appeals. It's to run out the clock until (he hopes) the House loses its majority in 2022.

#66 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-10-25 02:08 PM | Reply

They broke in, walked around, took videos and pictures and left. it took three hours.

Bwahahahahaha....that's your take? And you're ok with it?

#67 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-25 02:11 PM | Reply

It happened in 2016 by Democrats. They didn't want to certify the election after Trump won. Bush vs Gore as well.

Link to the first part?

I seem to remember Hillary conceding and actually saying "give DJT a chance". I also seem to remember the certification happening with zero instance.

With the second part, you were talking about less than 500 votes in one state that decided the entire election.

#68 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-25 02:14 PM | Reply

Georgia tape scene where Democrat pollsters told everyone to get out of the counting room and then let dem counters back in in the middle of the night, etc., etc.

Not true and what's the etc. etc. part? LOL

#69 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-25 02:15 PM | Reply

#66 This is Russia all over again. You look at the end game, trying to say Trump orchestrated all this, and then try to create a roadmap to get there. Claim that witnesses won't show up and say Trump is guilty because of their loyalty. "There were accomplices in congress but they are so loyal to Trump that they won't admit that he ordered someone to burn down the Capital building."

#70 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-10-25 02:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#69 It's actually on tape.

#71 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-10-25 02:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#68 www.newsweek.com
Getting old correcting you when you claim something is false.

#72 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-10-25 02:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm not saying Trump orchestrated this lol......that's an impossible prove.

What he didn't do for the first hour and half of the attack (which it was) was sit there and do nothing.

What he did before Jan 6 was pursue a fairytale rather than concentrate on the epidemic, which was of the utmost importance.

What he continues to do, in spite of ZERO voter fraud and validation of the states he questions, is continue to point to a steal.

Simple question: do you still support him?

#73 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-25 02:24 PM | Reply

Again, I also seem to remember the certification happening with zero instance.

Do you see the difference between 2016 and 2020?

#74 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-25 02:29 PM | Reply

"Simple question: do you still support him?

I like simple yes or no answers instead some word mishmash from Croky or some other troll

My answer is NO.

#75 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-10-25 02:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#69 It's actually on tape.

Like the suitcase video?

Are you sure you're seeing what you think you're seeing LOL

#76 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-25 02:32 PM | Reply

Righties just are pointing to the facts that you don't care about.

Hardly. You're pointing to alternative interpretations of known facts to do exactly what I said.

You shouted with glee for instance when it was falsly reported that a security officer was beat to death with a fire extinguisher. It was false and prooved false but you refuse to accept it.

Link or stink because I know for a fact that that isn't correct.

you also leave out that Trump said march peacefully.

You can't give a speech more than an hour long and say the word peacefully once while saying fight twenty something times, painting his sycophants in Congress as warriors and fighters all in the context of "taking back the country."

So please. Spare me the nonsense that he told them to be "peaceful."

Righties say this was a bunch of knuckle heads who were pissed because no one covered Hunter, no one interviewed or asked Biden tough questions, the Georgia tape scene where Democrat pollsters told everyone to get out of the counting room and then let dem counters back in in the middle of the night, etc., etc.

Because that's all largely --------. Chalking it up to "knuckleheads" is a good example of what I said righties do.

They broke in, walked around, took videos and pictures and left.

Because they were too stupid to know they weren't going to succeed. Still doesn't take away from the gravity of what they did.

This is also another example of exactly what I said righties do.

it took three hours. Congress came back in, the election was certified, end of story.

Except it hasn't been the end of the story no matter how hard you try to make it so.

The election lies are still being spewed. The undercutting of our democratic institutions is still occurring. The installation of partisan actors in our elections over non-partisan officials is occurring.

This is, yet again, an example of what I said righties are doing.

But if morons like you who are little thoughtless sheep want to say this was worse than 9/11 or Pearl Harbor go ahead. You obviously don't care if you come across as some kind of a ------- anyway.

#64 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

A perfect ending to a moronic post doing exactly what I said righties do.

You spent an entire post downplaying, deflecting and distorting 1/6 trying to explain how you idiots don't downplay, deflect or distort 1/6. All while ending with calling someone else a -------.

Damn you're stupid, son. Like stupid beyond comprehension stupid.

#77 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-25 02:34 PM | Reply

It happened in 2016 by Democrats. They didn't want to certify the election after Trump won. Bush vs Gore as well.

#65 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

More misrepresentation.

The Dems never objected to electors with the intention of overturning electoral results.

Are you really this abysmally uninformed and are merely repeating things you never bothered to look into yourself? Or are you really just a dishonest sack of ---- who reads what they want to hear and doesn't bother questioning even when it's pointed out to be incorrect?

#78 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-25 02:36 PM | Reply

Or are you really just a dishonest sack of ---- who reads what they want to hear and doesn't bother questioning even when it's pointed out to be incorrect?

Is that directed directly to him, or an open question?

#79 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-25 02:40 PM | Reply

#78 www.newsweek.com Are you simply uninformed or an intentional liar. If you say both you would be correct.

#80 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-10-25 02:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's actually on tape.

#71 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

God you're such an idiotic boomer. "Duuuuhhh it's on the tape! It must be truez!."

apnews.com

TRUMP, citing 18,000 "suspicious" votes: "The tape that's been shown all over the world ... they said very clearly there was a major water main break. Everybody fled the area and then they came back ... there were no Republican poll watchers ... and there was no law enforcement ... It was stuffed with votes. They weren't in an official voter box, they were in what looked to be in suitcases or trunks. ... The minimum number it could be ... was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden."

THE FACTS: That's a gross distortion of what actually happened.

State and Fulton County election officials say surveillance video that Trump refers shows no improper behavior, but normal ballot processing using not suitcases, but ballot containers on wheels. Officials said that the entire video showed the same workers had earlier packed the ballot containers with valid, uncounted ballots.

Republicans have contended that their observers were told to leave Fulton County's vote counting center, but elections officials said they actually left after confusion that arose because election workers thought they were done for the night.

An independent monitor and an investigator in fact oversaw the vote count, according to state and county officials. Trump also refers to a fake confession attributed by a woman allegedly involved in the incident that was posted on social media.

The Georgia SoS office did a press conference during which they debunked that nonsense.

If you're going to comment, at least know what you're talking about.

#81 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-25 02:44 PM | Reply

The point about your Newsweek article is that NOTHING transpired from it. No Senators signed on. The certification went down without a hitch. It was never going to be an issue.

Now, 2020......LOL.

See the difference?

#82 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-25 02:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#77 As per usual, each one you say I was wrong but with no backing.
it took three hours. Congress came back in, the election was certified, end of story.
Except it hasn't been the end of the story no matter how hard you try to make it so.
Perfect example. Was I correct? This is a big one since people like you said they were there to overturn the election and I say they couldn't overturn the election. Was the election certified that night?

#83 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-10-25 02:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If you're going to comment, at least know what you're talking about.
We'll never hear from Fishpaw again if he takes that advice.

#84 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-25 02:50 PM | Reply

Fishpaw, yeah, it was certified. But you lack clarity, clearly. There was intent like we've never seen before. What happens next time?

And just as an FYI - the Newsweek article you refer to appears to be quite commonplace. AGAIN, the issue is it did not escalate to the point it did on January 06.

thehill.com

#85 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-25 02:56 PM | Reply

"It happened in 2016 by Democrats."

Not really. Democrats didn't have a plan to overturn the election results.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-25 03:04 PM | Reply

Are you simply uninformed or an intentional liar. If you say both you would be correct.

#80 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

www.npr.org

www.cnn.com

#87 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-25 03:07 PM | Reply

As per usual, each one you say I was wrong but with no backing.

Maybe if you're blind, dumb and stupid.

it took three hours. Congress came back in, the election was certified, end of story.

Except for the part about the misguided cultists who thought they could and tried to stop the transfer of power to maintain a POTUS who had no legal or Constitutional means to remain in office.

Yeah, if we just simply ignore that inconvenient part it was just a three hour delay.

------- idiot.

Except it hasn't been the end of the story no matter how hard you try to make it so.
Perfect example. Was I correct? This is a big one since people like you said they were there to overturn the election and I say they couldn't overturn the election. Was the election certified that night?

#83 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

You're basically saying a failed attempt means it wasn't an attempt.

Piss poor logic being applied because as I've said multiple times, you wanted it to succeed but can't say it out loud. You have to act like a "patriot" by not supporting the torching of our Constitutional Republic but we both know that if the next attempt succeeds you will back it wholeheartedly.

Which is why you deflect, downplay and distort for the failed attempt. You WANT there to be a successful second run.

#88 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-25 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#63 Not sure Brass.
I'm still held to my beliefs of law and order. Contempt of congress is no small charge.
If Garland does not move on Bannon, then I'll have to reconsider.

#89 | Posted by Docman at 2021-10-25 05:29 PM | Reply

DOCMAN

Keep in mind that Bannon isn't the one they're after. Trump is the big fish. Bannon's just one of many pieces of bait. The House can get along without him if they have to ~ especially if it's going to cost a ton of money to prosecute their case through years of Bannon's appeals if he's indicted by a Grand Jury. The value of Bannon blustering and obfuscating his way through questioning probably isn't going to be much value anyway. We've seen him in action before. He's good at mouthing a lot of words and saying nothing.

Jus' saying. Don't come down too hard on Garland.

#90 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-10-25 06:09 PM | Reply

Twin, you and Brass are probably right in your assessments.
I'm impatient.
Let's see what unfold.

#91 | Posted by Docman at 2021-10-25 06:17 PM | Reply

I agree that Merrick Garland is rolling it up like a typical mob case, but I'm not sure we have that much time.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-25 06:19 PM | Reply

What a joke, the dems aren't going to "GIT' ------- on this like they aint gonna get him with the NYAG or SDNY or GA or....

The self delusion is ridiculous.

NOTHING AT ALL WILL PUT ------- IN PRISON. NOTHING. NADA. ZILCH. NYET.

IT
AINT
GONNA
HAPPEN

The midterms are 12 short months away and we all know you can't do anything in an election year so guess what? YOUR MOMENT HAS PASSED!

You had your chance, YOU BLEW IT. You traded it for a news cycle on covid relief. YAY, take that to the ballot box you weak willed whiny wussy wimps.

#93 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-25 07:27 PM | Reply

"You're basically saying a failed attempt means it wasn't an attempt."

That's not what he's saying at all.

#94 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-25 07:30 PM | Reply

"With the second part, you were talking about less than 500 votes in one state that decided the entire election."

It was more than 500 votes, and that was after Gore requested recounts in only four counties which were heavily in his favor. He repeatedly turned down a statewide manual recount because he knew it would likely cause the margin to widen. The FL supreme court denied Gore's request to only recount a few counties and ordered a statewide manual recount anyway, but by that time it was clear each county was making up their own methods about how recount the ballots after the fact and it was a complete -----------.

Was it the same as what Trump did? No, of course not. But it obviously inspired him to be an even Bigger and Badder Sore Loser by setting the precedent it did, attempting to overturn the election in the cynical way Gore did at the state level. A lot of the idiotic "audits" we've seen recently are basically an extension of --- for tat over that.

#95 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-25 07:56 PM | Reply

"Do you see the difference between 2016 and 2020?"

Trump is infamous for pouncing on things others did and taking it to the next level. There was no attempt to interfere with the Congressional certification, but there was a lot of chatter about trying to flip electors in 2016, so much so that SNL did a parody skit of Clinton going to their homes trying to bribe them.

#96 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-25 08:45 PM | Reply

Was the election certified that night?

#83 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

I hope that is not their only defense.

Just because a bank robber was unable to open the vault and steal all the money doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed. Even if the bank robber is completely unsuccessful it was still attempted bank robbery.

If you deplorables weren't so incompetent it may even have succeeded. But it definitely could have been way worse.

If not for our capital police who were the true American Heroes of that day.

#97 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-25 09:45 PM | Reply

#4 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER
-------
Why is it that righties here claim to be against 1/6 but always seem to be ready to downplay, deny and deflect for the perpetrators?

Just admit you're only disappointment with 1/6 was that it failed. We already know that to be the case anyway.

#55 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-10-25 11:11 AM |

It's not downplaying anything. Why the need to constantly OVER-play it? I have yet to see any tangible evidence that the riot itself was anything other than minimally planned by a very small number of people that day. Further, evidence has surfaced to suggest that at least 1 Fed may have been a ring-leader - very much like what "Buzzfeed" (which has yet to be refuted in any way) reported about members of the FBI being the ring-leaders and primary planners of that kidnapping attempt on that Governor in Michigan.

Follow the evidence and make an effort to avoid confirmation bias narratives. It's not a difficult concept.

#98 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-25 10:19 PM | Reply

"I have yet to see any tangible evidence that the riot itself was anything other than minimally planned by a very small number of people that day."

Actually. Who cares what you think. That's why there is a Congressional commission. To find out what really happened. Not what YOU think happened.

So far the evidence is that you are a clueless moron.

#99 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-26 12:00 AM | Reply

#99 I didn't put forth what I think happened. I simply put forth what we know thus far based upon the information that is publicly available.

You know, follow the evidence. If trying hard to stay fact-based and makes me a clueless moron then you only have 2 functioning brain cells remaining in that misshapen skull of yours.

#100 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 12:25 AM | Reply

SNOOFY

"I agree that Merrick Garland is rolling it up like a typical mob case, but I'm not sure we have that much time."

It IS a mob case . . . with all the same kind of actors that a "Godfather" uses to keep his own fingerprints clean and his power intact. Absolute power is the absolute aphrodisiac which is a quest Trump has been on all his life.

But enough moralizing. Garland way not be moving as fast as you think he should but considering this is a one shot deal, and one shot only, it has to be perfectly timed and lethal.

#101 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-10-26 02:00 AM | Reply

Also, SNOOFY

We'll never know what's really going on behind the scenes at the DOJ. To tell us would be the same thing as telling their targets.

A lot of faith was lost in the DOJ under Bill Barr but that was part of "The Plan" to demoralize America. Apparently it's still working because, unfortunately and to our own detriment, some are still harboring that mistrust.

Maybe it's time to exorcise the ghost of Bill Barr, doncha think?


#102 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-10-26 03:13 AM | Reply

Bill Barr was the epitome of honesty and professionalism compared against Holder and Lynch.

The Obama DOJ was the absolute worst - politicized to the nth degree.

#103 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 03:18 AM | Reply

" Bill Barr was the epitome of honesty and professionalism "

I don't care who you compare him to, Barr was a corrupt hatchet man for Trump, from how he got the job to how he performed it.

Barr wouldn't know honesty if it bit him in his ample backside.

#104 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-26 03:35 AM | Reply

" Bill Barr was the epitome of honesty and professionalism "

LOL, Right! That's why he tucked tail and skipped town while the gittin' was good.

That seat was just gettin' too hot for him.

#105 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-10-26 04:08 AM | Reply

"Duuuuhhh it's on the tape! It must be truez!."

Duuuuuhh its in a music magazine! It gotta be truez!

#106 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-10-26 07:13 AM | Reply

An alias here was so assertive that Jan6 was spontaneous.

There were insufficient numbers of Proud Boys, Oath Keeps and other militia groups to take the capitol. However, they were the "tip of the spear" so to speak. The thousands of people attending the rally had to be worked up to the point that they were ready to march to the capitol with Trump leading the way so as to provide cover for the militia groups. It was the militia groups that would have done the dirty work once inside the capitol building.

Trump's role in inciting the masses to go to the capitol was pivotal to the success of the plot and is just one of the reasons why Trump will eventually be charged with insurrection.

#107 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2021-10-26 07:28 AM | Reply

"I have yet to see any tangible evidence that the riot itself was anything other than minimally planned by a very small number of people that day."

That's because you refuse to look at any evidence to the contrary.
You don't have buses bringing people in from out of town for a "minimally planned" event.
Finally, 9/11 was planned by a very small number of people. So I guess it was no big deal?

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-26 09:10 AM | Reply

You conflate the protest, which was absolutely planned, with the riot

#109 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 09:13 AM | Reply

The right: don't conflate the January 6 protest with the January 6 riot.
The left: don't conflate the BLM protests with the BLM riots.

#110 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-26 09:29 AM | Reply

"You conflate the protest, which was absolutely planned, with the riot"

That's like saying you conflate the forest for a bunch of trees.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-26 09:35 AM | Reply

"You conflate the protest, which was absolutely planned, with the riot."

What was the goal of the protest?
It was to Stop The Steal.

How did Trump tell the protesters told to Stop The Steal?
They were directed to "fight like hell."

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-26 09:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Finally, 9/11 was planned by a very small number of people. So I guess it was no big deal?"

Hey Rudy! Thanks for bringing up 9/11. Great comparison. We all remember seeing thousands and thousands of people cheering the violence on both of those days...

#113 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-26 09:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh, but there was plenty of cheering in the Bush White House.

It gave America the Pearl Harbor Level Event that was needed to galvanize public opinion for invading Iraq.

It also gave a handful of Americans the swift kick in the butt they needed to go murder anyone in a turban, most of whom were Sikhs.

#114 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-26 09:52 AM | Reply

Duuuuuhh its in a music magazine! It gotta be truez!

#106 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

It's not confirmed as true yet. That's what I'm waiting for.

Whereas you're already writing it off as untrue so you can ignore the confirmation if it happens.

And whenever the topic comes up you whine that it was "unsourced" because hey! in your world if you don't see the confirmation it doesn't exist!

#115 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-26 11:13 AM | Reply

How did Trump tell the protesters told to Stop The Steal?
They were directed to "fight like hell."
#112 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

They were directed to patriotically and peacefully protest.

"Fight" was the key word in John McCain's stump speech. It's a word that politicians use all of the time.

#116 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 11:46 AM | Reply

Giuliani said "trial by combat"

Spin that you pathetic hack.

#117 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-10-26 11:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" They were directed to patriotically and peacefully protest."

You're cherry-picking one phrase and purposely ignoring a dozen others.

Now do the folks who gathered at the Willard. Better yet, explain what Bannon was referencing to his listeners the day before.

#118 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-26 12:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#117 Here is Guiliani's full quote:

"If they ran such a clean election, they'd have you come in and look at the paper ballots. Who hides evidence? Criminals hide evidence. Not honest people. Over the next 10 days, we get to see the machines that are crooked, the ballots that are fraudulent, and if we're wrong, we will be made fools of. But if we're right, a lot of them will go to jail. Let's have trial by combat."

Have you watched Game of Thrones?

#119 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 12:22 PM | Reply

#118 I make a point of avoiding listening to anything that creep Bannon has to say. He's a colossal POS and he's a hardcore grifter.

#120 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 12:24 PM | Reply

Did you have a point?

#121 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-10-26 12:24 PM | Reply

" I make a point of avoiding listening to anything that creep Bannon has to say."

I'll bet that makes it a lot easier to pretend a riot wasn't planned for January 6.

Are you ready to dissect the Willard yet?

#122 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-26 12:26 PM | Reply

The right: don't conflate the January 6 protest with the January 6 riot.
The left: don't conflate the BLM protests with the BLM riots.
#110 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

BLM protestors: "Black Lives Matter! Stop excusing death by police!"

1/6 rioters: "Kill Mike Pence! Stop the steal! Stop the election!" Republicans cheer it on, Hawley fist pumps at them, Trump is giddy to see the insurrection months of goading have created.

SSentinel: "It's the same thing! Both sides are the same!"

#123 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-10-26 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#121 Did you have a point with #117?

#124 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 12:50 PM | Reply

#122 Willard was killed by his pet rats. No need to pile on by dissecting him.

#125 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 12:50 PM | Reply

(Also there was the storming of the Michigan Capitol Building and plans of kidnapping the Governor.)

#126 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-10-26 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump is infamous for pouncing on things others did and taking it to the next level. There was no attempt to interfere with the Congressional certification, but there was a lot of chatter about trying to flip electors in 2016

Right, there's idiots at every turn that try to buck the system.

Issue is in 2020, it's the guy with the biggest voice on the globe. The President. There needs to be responsibility there.

Infamous is not the word I'd use in this case. It's more traitor.

#127 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-26 12:59 PM | Reply

The right: don't conflate the January 6 protest with the January 6 riot.
The left: don't conflate the BLM protests with the BLM riots.

The only issue with this is the left's protest is due to what we can argue is unnecessary violence and killing against minorities.

For the right, the protest (and subsequent riot) is due to a fairytale proposed by the President of the United States.

See the difference?

#128 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-26 01:05 PM | Reply

Bill Barr was the epitome of honesty and professionalism compared against Holder and Lynch.
The Obama DOJ was the absolute worst - politicized to the nth degree.

I guess everything is subjective, but by my account this is a totally inaccurate statement.

Bill Barr can only be commended for not continuing to support Trump's fairytale about losing the election unfairly. At that point, even he was out and knew Trump was psychotic.

#129 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-26 01:11 PM | Reply

" Willard was killed by his pet rats."

As, cute how you deflect when your partisan hackery is exposed.

One thing you got right: a lot of rats connected to the Willard.

#130 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-26 01:11 PM | Reply

BTW, riots during BLM protests weren't BLM protesters. It was right wing agitators.

docs.house.gov

www.washingtonpost.com

apnews.com

amp.kansascity.com

#131 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-10-26 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"whenever the topic comes up you whine that it was "unsourced"

Horse****!
You leftwhang hangdowns are the ones always howling LYYYYNK.

#132 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-10-26 01:57 PM | Reply

You leftwhang hangdowns are the ones always howling LYYYYNK.

#132 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

That's so we can laugh at the places you suckers get your "news."

#133 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-26 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#118 I make a point of avoiding listening to anything that creep Bannon has to say. He's a colossal POS and he's a hardcore grifter.

#120 | Posted by BellRinger

Yet the cult leader you fight for every day pardoned that creep and grifter. What's you opinion on that pardon?

#134 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-26 02:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#130. There was no partisan hackery. I'm not familiar with what you are referring to and I knew I wasn't going to be able to respond for a while. So I made an obscure reference that I thought you'd not only get but enjoy.

#135 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 03:17 PM | Reply

"I'm not familiar with what you are referring to"

That always seems to be a convenient reply. My guess is the outlets you frequent are purposely burying the story....you know, something you are (usually) VERY passionate about.

Check the Rolling Stone article: Congresspeople and their teams met with "rally" organizers dozens of times. After the planning session(s) at The Williard, Bannon said on his podcast "All hell is going to break loose tomorrow."

#136 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-26 03:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#136 I did read the Rolling Stone article. It talked about congresscritters talking to protest organizers which is very common thing - hell Democrats occasionally participate in protests. What the Rolling Stone article failed to do was show any kind of evidence that a riot was being planned. Once again, conflating a protest with a riot.

Bannon making a click-bait comment? Color me shocked. He has no influence within the establishment of the GOP after he departed the Trump administration. He's a POS grifter who appeals to the lowest common denominator on the right.

I'm open to the theory that certain members of congress were part of a grand plan to storm the capitol building. But you've gotta give me something tangible.

#137 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 03:42 PM | Reply

I recommend reading an investigative piece by an outlet called "Revolver". It was linked at Realclearpolitics this morning. Just make sure to make time on your calendar. It's a VERY lengthy piece with all sorts of detailed evidence. It makes a rather convincing case that the ringleaders of the riot may have been either FBI informants or possibly even agents. It shows a ton of smoke but doesn't prove there was a fire. Nevertheless, it makes a far more compelling case than the Rolling Stone article.

#138 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 03:45 PM | Reply

" What the Rolling Stone article failed to do was show any kind of evidence that a riot was being planned. Once again, conflating a protest with a riot. "

Look at the morons involved.

Look at the speeches given (overall, not cherry-picked).

Listen to what every rioter thought he heard.

And remember how repulsed Trump was about it? Eyewitnesses around Trump don't either.

#139 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-26 03:47 PM | Reply

"But you've gotta give me something tangible."

Willard meetings.

#140 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-26 03:48 PM | Reply

#140 Was a riot planned at those meetings or a protest?

#141 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 03:49 PM | Reply

"Democrats Plan Protest as GOP Pushes on Health Carehttps://www.usnews.com News Politics
Jun 19, 2017 " Democrats plan to hold the Senate floor Monday night as their GOP counterparts hope to vote on a health care overhaul before July 4.

Democrats planning protests for Trump's first State of the Unionhttps://thehill.com homenews house 368427-dem...
Jan 11, 2018 " Last month, female lawmakers led by Frankel demanded that Congress launch an investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct against Trump ...

Democrats Get Arrested to Protest Deadlock in Congress on ...https://www.thewellnews.com political-news democr...
Aug 9, 2021 " So far, Democrats have failed to block state-level voting restrictions through legislation. As a result, protesters plan much bigger ...

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Aug 13, 2019 " MANCHESTER, N.H. " President Trump's re-election campaign says he supports the people's right to free speech " as hundreds of Democratic ..."

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#142 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 03:51 PM | Reply

"Look at the speeches given (overall, not cherry-picked)."

Were they told that if they don't protest the capital Democrats are going to y'all back in chains?

Do you need receipts for all of the times Democrats used heated rhetoric to rile people up?

Heated rhetoric and protests are not crimes. They are protected by the 1st Amendment.

#143 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 03:56 PM | Reply

"See the difference?"

In both cases the participants believed they were acting for a just cause. In both cases they latched on to a stupid example to make their point. In both cases there was a mix of those who set out to protest peacefully as well as those who set out to be violent.

In both cases some people tried to paint everyone who had any proximity to the violent ones as being no different from them.

See the similarities?

#144 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-26 04:05 PM | Reply

In both cases the participants believed they were acting for a just cause.

One case was a just cause, you see it happen on police provided video. And it's been happening for decades upon decades. I can only imagine the stuff we never will see.

The other case, lol, is wishful thinking that the President made up. Because he's a sore loser.

Tell me which one, by value, has more weight to it.

And that's really the key here. What was the impetus for each? When one's a fairytale their isn't similarities.

#145 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-26 04:33 PM | Reply

In both cases the participants believed they were acting for a just cause.

And ignorance is never an excuse.

#146 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-26 04:35 PM | Reply

#145 and #146

Please point out where in the 1st Amendment we see a carve-out for protests that you personally disapprove of.

#147 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 04:45 PM | Reply

BTW - looting, arson, vandalism, assault and homicide are not justified so long as the cause these actions are taken under is one you personally approve of.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

#148 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 04:46 PM | Reply

BTW - looting, arson, vandalism, assault and homicide are not justified so long as the cause these actions are taken under is one you personally approve of.

I approve of neither.

People in both cases should be implicated to the fullest extent.

I am telling you why one happened - and the impetus for it is decades of mistreatment. And I understand it (although don't agree with the action).

Jan 6th - was a make believe reason. The election wasn't stolen. Trump lost. Wasn't even close.

Isn't it time to put that lie to rest?

#149 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-26 04:54 PM | Reply

"One case was a just cause, you see it happen on police provided video. And it's been happening for decades upon decades. I can only imagine the stuff we never will see."

What you see on the video is police brutality. But that is not the cause the protesters were railing against. The video does not show any evidence of racial injustice, nor has any evidence to come to light that incident was racially motivated. So the thing those protesters latched on to for their cause was based on a fairytale. Just like the belief that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump, even though fraud does happen in every election and many Trump supporters claim it was about the bigger issue.

See the similarity?

#150 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-26 05:08 PM | Reply

The right: don't conflate the January 6 protest with the January 6 riot.
The left: don't conflate the BLM protests with the BLM riots.

There is an essential difference. Any crimes committed during the BLM protests are crimes against federal state and local laws making them criminal matters deserving of the justice system being applied.

The 1/6 insurrection was an attack against out national security and as such is a serious threat against our country.

A threat, by the way, that is not being taken seriously.

#151 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-26 05:10 PM | Reply

What you see on the video is police brutality. But that is not the cause the protesters were railing against. The video does not show any evidence of racial injustice, nor has any evidence to come to light that incident was racially motivated. So the thing those protesters latched on to for their cause was based on a fairytale. Just like the belief that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump, even though fraud does happen in every election and many Trump supporters claim it was about the bigger issue.
See the similarity?

#150 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Nope

see, here is where you lost it: "So the thing those protesters latched on to for their cause was based on a fairytale."

The injustices against PoC are well documented.

If you ever cared to learn.

#152 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-10-26 05:12 PM | Reply

What the hell are you talking about? Lol......one of the major points of the protest was police brutality.

Are you living under a rock?

George Floyd was brutally murdered. What happened next?

#153 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-26 05:23 PM | Reply

The people who organized the protests of George Floyd's brutal murder wouldn't have given two ----- about him if he was a different ethnicity. It was not about protesting police brutality.

#154 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-26 05:31 PM | Reply

It was about police brutality on a black person.

Are you for real?

#155 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-26 05:33 PM | Reply

#153. What happened next? The officer who murdered him was arrested and charged. In court he was found guilty and is now serving a decades long prison term. Yeah, let's go set a bunch of buildings on fire.

#156 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 05:37 PM | Reply

#154. To your point. A black man was murdered by BLM rioters and almost nobody on the left said squat about it.

#157 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 05:48 PM | Reply

#156 - Hey, the white nationalist that started the fires thought a race war was a good idea. Sounds like you'd like that, too.

#158 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-26 05:49 PM | Reply

Heated rhetoric and protests are not crimes. They are protected by the 1st Amendment.

#143 | Posted by BellRinger

"instigating an attempt to end democracy is not a crime"

brought to you by the guys who brought you:

"colluding with russia is not a crime"

#159 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-26 06:08 PM | Reply

The people who organized the protests of George Floyd's brutal murder wouldn't have given two ----- about him if he was a different ethnicity. It was not about protesting police brutality.

#154 | Posted by sentinel

Yeah cause if he were a different ethnicity he'd still be alive.

What were the protests about then?

#160 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-26 06:09 PM | Reply

What you see on the video is police brutality. But that is not the cause the protesters were railing against. The video does not show any evidence of racial injustice, nor has any evidence to come to light that incident was racially motivated. So the thing those protesters latched on to for their cause was based on a fairytale. Just like the belief that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump, even though fraud does happen in every election and many Trump supporters claim it was about the bigger issue.

See the similarity?

#150 | Posted by sentinel

BLM marches weren't attempting to replace democracy with fascist tyranny.

See the difference?

#161 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-26 06:10 PM | Reply

Bannon making a click-bait comment? Color me shocked. He has no influence within the establishment of the GOP after he departed the Trump administration. He's a POS grifter who appeals to the lowest common denominator on the right.

#137 | Posted by BellRinger

Your cult leader hired bannon. Why?

Your cult leader pardoned bannon after bannon grifted your fellow cult members. Why?

Why do you spend all day fighting to help a guy who you disagree with?

#162 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-26 06:12 PM | Reply

The Bannon hire was incredibly stupid.

#163 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 06:15 PM | Reply

#158. It was white nationalists setting fires all summer long?

#164 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 06:16 PM | Reply

Stephen Bannon was bad for America.

Stephen Miller was bad for America.

Jared Kushner was bad for Americans.

Fkkk them all.

#165 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-10-26 06:17 PM | Reply

- He has no influence within the establishment of the GOP (from 162)

The GOP Est has very little influence over the Trumpublican Party (formerly known as the Republican Party).

The actual patriot-ish people in the est make great ads against Trump via the Lincoln Project.

#166 | Posted by Corky at 2021-10-26 06:17 PM | Reply

The Bannon hire was incredibly stupid.

#163 | Posted by BellRinger

Yet here you are every day fighting for the guy who hired him, then pardoned him after he grifted your cult.

How many threads are you on today defending bannon's insurrection attempt?

#167 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-26 06:25 PM | Reply

#167 it was a riot, not an insurrection.

I didn't vote for Trump.

You are a seriously immature person.

#168 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 06:31 PM | Reply

I think a couple of you really lack nuance and context.

Being unfairly treated over a long period of time - without any resolve to it - eventually leads to a breaking point. The riots are not acceptable, but you can see the cause. When nothing is being done about it - all seems hopeless.

What was the breaking point for the Jan 6 debacle? Years of voter suppression? Years of fraudulent elections? I'm still trying to figure that one out.

Or is it simply DJT making up a story and people latching onto it as gospel? They didn't burn the Capitol down, but they did go in there with weapons. Thankfully people were evacuated.

The GOP had a chance to squelch Trump after he fairly lost, but they not only let him go on with his talk.......some joined in. It's a pretty sad state of affairs.

It's all about the power.

#169 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-26 06:34 PM | Reply

it was a riot, not an insurrection.

You need to look the word up.

It was an insurrection attempt.

Either way, it was wrong.

#170 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-10-26 06:37 PM | Reply

"They were directed to patriotically and peacefully protest."

They were also directed to, and I do quote, "fight like hell".
They were also told that was what they had to do, if they wanted to save their country.

You just ignore the things you don't want to acknowledge.
I'm guessing you learned it from your parents ignoring you.

#171 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-26 06:54 PM | Reply

"#167 it was a riot, not an insurrection."

Like those two things are mutually exclusive!

#172 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-26 06:55 PM | Reply

"This historic event will likely be one of the largest and most consequential in American history.
The team at @TrumpStudents & Turning Point Action are honored to help make this happen, sending 80+ buses full of patriots to DC to fight for this President."
--Charile Kirk

twitter.com

#173 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-26 09:57 PM | Reply

Oh my god. Looking at the "Advisory" board and other board members of TPA - it's a who's who of the most wretched and extreme loons. Wow.

#174 | Posted by YAV at 2021-10-27 07:55 AM | Reply

You are a seriously immature person.

#168 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

And YOU are an insurrectionist and a Ding Dong

GFY insurrectionist.

I know I feel better now. How about you?

#175 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-27 11:47 AM | Reply

158. It was white nationalists setting fires all summer long?

#164 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

None of your deflecting has anything to do with the jan6th insurrection

GFY insurrectionist.

#176 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-27 11:50 AM | Reply

"Yeah cause if he were a different ethnicity he'd still be alive."

That's nonsense.

#177 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-10-27 12:23 PM | Reply

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