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Tuesday, October 26, 2021

Crew members on the movie "Rust" reportedly used the firearm involved in the death of Halyna Hutchins the morning of the fatal accident. [A]ccording to a report from TheWrap, unnamed crew members have stated that the firearm handled by Gutierrez Reed, Halls and Baldwin was used earlier that same day to go "plinking," a hobby in which people shoot at beer cans with live ammunition for fun.

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According to a search warrant executed by the Santa Fe County Sheriff's office, obtained by Fox News, Armorer Hanna Gutierrez Reed handled the prop gun, leaving it among others on a cart outside the set location they were filming. Assistant director Dave Halls then retrieved the gun and handed it to actor Alec Baldwin announcing that it was a "cold gun," a term used to indicate that a prop gun is safe to handle and not loaded with live ammunition.

However, somewhere along the line, there was a miscommunication and a live round was put in the weapon that discharged when Baldwin pulled the trigger, killing Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza. TMZ previously speculated, after sources close to the set reported that the guns were sometimes used for off-time target practice, that the hobby contributed to the live-round mixup.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-10-26 01:17 PM | Reply

" sources close to the set reported that the guns were sometimes used for off-time target practice, that the hobby contributed to the live-round mixup."

We may have found the problem.

Expect new rules to prohibit ANY live rounds on sets.

#2 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-26 01:24 PM | Reply

I suspected that might have been happening.

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-26 01:28 PM | Reply

I wonder who's thumbprint is on the cartridge casing?

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-26 01:40 PM | Reply

"Expect new rules to prohibit ANY live rounds on sets."

It makes absolutely no sense that that was not already a rule.

#5 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-10-26 02:54 PM | Reply

If there were fully functional rounds of ammunition on the set it's bizarre at best.

We have squibs for a reason.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2021-10-26 05:18 PM | Reply

If there were fully functional rounds of ammunition on the set it's bizarre at best.

We have squibs for a reason.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2021-10-26 05:18 PM | Reply

Liberals sure love to make fun of responsible gun owners who are trying to hold on to their Second Amendment rights.

Alec Baldwin has made himself the poster child of liberal hypocrisy.

Total disregard for gun safety on his set.

His SNL portrayals have set him up for ridicule and attacks.

I feel sorry for the girl and her family who will suffer the consequences.

#8 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-26 08:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

'Liberals sure love to make fun of responsible gun owners who are trying to hold on to their Second Amendment rights."

Responsible gun owners don't need the Second Amendment.

There's no Second Amendment in Canada and Germany.

But there are responsibile gun owners in Canada and Germany.

Do you understand that?

You're not a gun owner, and if you were, you'd probably be a responsible gun owner.

All the Second Amendment does is put you at risk from irresponsible gun owners.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-26 08:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

'Liberals sure love to make fun of responsible gun owners who are trying to hold on to their Second Amendment rights."

Liberals own guns, too, Captain Talking Points. Every liberal that I know who owns a gun, knows how to use it. Having live rounds on set is irresponsible, and has nothing to do with the militia or the right to bear arms.

His SNL portrayals have set him up for ridicule and attacks.

Only for people who are @ h0les and disgusting human beings...what kind of damaged person do you have to be to ridicule Alec Baldwin when a woman is dead and another person is in the hospital? That comment right there reflects the character of Repubicans in America. Not a good look.

#10 | Posted by chuffy at 2021-10-26 11:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" Liberals own guns, too, Captain Talking Points."

Very true. However a big chunk of those liberals are blue collar workers whom Dems crap upon.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-26 11:50 PM | Reply

"His SNL portrayals have set him up for ridicule and attacks."

Only for people who are @ h0les and disgusting human beings..

I disagree. Baldwin has a solid history of violence and abuse, including mental abuse aimed at his own daughter. Any ridicule he is receiving is justified. He is the poster child of "The bigger the are, the harder they fall". You can't call someone an ------- for ridiculing him. He deserves it. SNL has nothing to do with his toxic personality.

Here's a small sample of some of his irrational and abusive behavior. There is even more than what is on this link.

www.opindia.com

#12 | Posted by jakester at 2021-10-26 11:56 PM | Reply

I can't believe people defend this POS given his history of abuse towards everyone from his own family (daughter and Kim Basinger) to strangers to airline flight crew. (he got thrwon off a flight for being abusive to the crew) He should have been doing time for some of this stuff long ago. But being a celebrity, laws that apply to us do not apply to him.

Again, he deserves every ounce of criticism people are lobbing at him.

#13 | Posted by jakester at 2021-10-27 12:00 AM | Reply

#10 - Chuffy: Just curious: Were you critical of Cheney when he shot his friend? Most progressives were and still talk about how wrong that was. As an adherent to gun safety rules with a zero tolerance to breaking them, (A SAG book is no excuse for ignoring basic gun safety) I agree with them.

So if you were not critical of those who attacked Cheney, why are you critical of those who ridicule Baldwin, whose personal life is much more tocic Cheney's and who actually killed someone.

#14 | Posted by jakester at 2021-10-27 12:12 AM | Reply

"whose personal life is much more tocic Cheney's and who actually killed someone."

His personal life is his personal life.
At least he can talk about his personal life. You can't do that about your personal life. Which is sad.

Cheney killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-27 12:23 AM | Reply

"blue collar workers whom Dems crap upon."

It's not Dems passing Right To Work laws and busting unions.
It is Dems requiring employers to provide health insurance to blue collar workers.

Oh, I get it. You like being crapped on.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-27 12:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Hutchens knew what she signed up for.

#17 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-27 01:12 AM | Reply

"I feel sorry for the girl and her family who will suffer the consequences." You mean the WOMAN that died? She was a professional cinematographer one of the top jobs on the production. Calling her a girl is like saying the girl that is Vice President is doing a better job then the BOY that is president.

#18 | Posted by THomewood at 2021-10-27 03:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Hutchens knew what she signed up for."

#17 | POSTED BY BORED

She must have missed the part in her contract that said "There is a 100% chance you will die."

#19 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-10-27 06:14 AM | Reply

Thome,

You referred to her as "she".

How do you know that was her pronoun of choice?

#20 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-27 06:56 AM | Reply

"Expect new rules to prohibit ANY live rounds on sets."

It makes absolutely no sense that that was not already a rule.

#5 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-10-26 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Prop guns do not accept live ammunition. This was a real gun used in the movie. That alone is ridiculous. Baldwin was handed the gun, told it was not loaded and he acted as if it wasn't.

Hindsight being 20/20 there are numerous chances for them to not allow this tragedy to happen...

Baldwin could have inspected the gun first.
The gun could have never been pointed at the person...they could have used mirrors to achieve the look they wanted.
The assistant director could have inspected it before handing it to Baldwin.
The armorer should never have left the weapons on a cart outside.
The weapons should never have been allowed to fire live rounds.
The movie should never have used a weapon that allowed live rounds in the first place.

Any number of things and a person would still be alive today.

#21 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-10-27 08:13 AM | Reply

#21 - your six points are spot on. In fact, change 'could' to 'should' in the first two and you have two of the most basic gun handling rules.

Assurance that a gun is unloaded is the ultimate responsibility of the person handling it.

I know there are people who disagree with this because "SAG protocol". I have a question for these people: If you were an actor playing the part of a guy playing Russian Roulette (think Deer Hunter), would you take the armorer's word that the gun is cold, or would you check it yourself before putting it to your own head and pulling the trigger?

'Nuff said.

#22 | Posted by jakester at 2021-10-27 08:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pretty shoddy prop control on that set for certain. And not just the one incident by the sound of it.

#23 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-27 08:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now I'm remembering all those Roy Rogers movies I went to.

#24 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-10-27 08:33 AM | Reply

Prop guns do not accept live ammunition.

#21 | POSTED BY NIXON AT 2021-10-27 08:13 AM | FLAG:

You are confusing the concept of "prop gun" with a modified firearm. A "prop gun" is anything used as a prop to be a gun. Source: Yale Theater Undergrad Program

If a real firearm is used as a prop, it's a prop gun, and it does accept live ammo. Sometimes a firearm used as a prop gun only has its spring modified so it can cycle easier using blanks. Blank ammo has a low powder charge and no bullet to build back pressure and would struggle to cycle normally in stock semi automatic firearms. Fine for revolvers, but blanks are terrible to use in firearms to begin with. You have to disassemble and clean them thoroughly afterwards or you will corrode the barrel and internals and there will be an explosion at some point in the future of that firearm.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-27 08:45 AM | Reply

The DA's statement said that it was a real gun or "legit firearm" as opposed to a prop gun. Also said the reports of plinking on the set were unconfirmed. Definitely chain of custody issues with the props on set.

#26 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-27 08:52 AM | Reply

So the gun control advocate with gunplay on his resume, playing with guns in a for-profit violent entertainment spectacle, using what was known to be a real firearm that spits bullets, didn't check it himself and relied on third party info before pulling the trigger.

#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-27 08:53 AM | Reply

"Hindsight being 20/20 there are numerous chances for them to not allow this tragedy to happen."

But why bother? This is a drop in the bucket of accidental gun deaths, and we don't really seem to care about those ones.

When was the last time an accidental gun death was front page news?

"In 2016 alone, there were 495 incidents of accidental firearm deaths." www.aftermath.com

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-27 08:57 AM | Reply

"So the gun control advocate with gunplay on his resume, playing with guns in a for-profit violent entertainment spectacle, using what was known to be a real firearm that spits bullets, didn't check it himself and relied on third party info before pulling the trigger."

^
That's the protocol.
Hate the game, not the player.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-27 08:58 AM | Reply

#27 - Not to mention it would almost be certain he heard gunfire from the plinking. Guns are loud and movie sets aren't that big. That alone should have raised a red flag about whether the gun was loaded or not.

#30 | Posted by jakester at 2021-10-27 09:16 AM | Reply

#26 The lede has "earlier that same day to go "plinking,"

With the "go" in there, it sounds like there were plinking somewhere else. Like down by the quarry or whatever. In other words, not on the set. I don't think too many people would put up with plinking in the workplace, unless the workplace is a shooting range.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-27 09:27 AM | Reply

That's the protocol.
Hate the game, not the player.

#29 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-10-27 08:58 AM | FLAG:

Not my union, but theirs should hire an NRA certified instructor for a safety overhaul.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-27 09:55 AM | Reply

"Not my union, but theirs should hire an NRA certified instructor for a safety overhaul."

I see your point in theory. In practice, it already sounds like safety protocols were being ignored left and right at this workplace.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-27 09:58 AM | Reply

"That's the protocol". "Safety protocols were being ignored". When the protocol is to not check a gun you have been handed, clearly the person that created the protocols was wildly incompetent. While I jest about the instructor being NRA certified, in this case it would probably be a good idea, they couldn't do worse.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-27 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Also, might behoove OSHA to prioritize inspecting sets were firearms change hands, the firearms are taken on hobbyist field trips, etc.

They're about to be too busy for that though.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-27 10:04 AM | Reply

I'd be surprised if one workplace fatality is enough to get OSHA interested.

"When the protocol is to not check a gun you have been handed, clearly the person that created the protocols was wildly incompetent."

I don't agree with this at all. In the OR, the nurse hands the surgeon the scalpel. Is he supposed to sanitize it again, just in case? Come on.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-27 10:09 AM | Reply

#6 squibs are undercharged rounds. You NEVER want that as it can leave the bullet lodged in the barrel, which will cause a catastrophic failure of the gun if fired again.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-27 10:32 AM | Reply

So when is "jakester" going to change his name back to goatshart?

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-27 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I feel sorry for the girl and her family who will suffer the consequences.

#8 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I feel sorry for the miserable SOBs who turn this into a political issue.

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2021-10-27 10:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't agree with this at all. In the OR, the nurse hands the surgeon the scalpel. Is he supposed to sanitize it again, just in case? Come on.

#36 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-10-27 10:09 AM | FLAG:

You'd be on to something if scalpels had bullets and they were taking them out carving on things for fun when not in surgery. Little different when a sterilized scalpel is taken out of it's package in front of you and handed to you.

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-27 11:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#34 - you could not have said it better.

Safety always trumps protocol, especially common sense safety.

It's protocol that cars stop at red lights to give pedestrians a chance to cross the street. That protocol doesn't help the pedestrian who gets hit by a drunk running the red light. He should have taken measures to ensure his own safety -- like looking before he crossed the street rather than depend on protocol being followed.

#41 | Posted by jakester at 2021-10-27 11:30 AM | Reply

I hope and pray the reckless people who don't respect basic gun safety rules (yet strangely enough cry for more. Still scratching my head over that) and depend on "protocol" rather than proven gun safety techniques never handle guns.

#42 | Posted by jakester at 2021-10-27 11:34 AM | Reply

Snoofy... no ink? The tattoo artist shows you the factory sealed needles and pigments that are going to be used on you.

Imagine walking in and the artist just says "I use this needle to practice on that piece of pork over there yesterday, but don't worry bro I sterilized it." If you don't run away at that point, that's on you.

#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-27 11:50 AM | Reply

But why bother? This is a drop in the bucket of accidental gun deaths, and we don't really seem to care about those ones.

In all the media attention surrounding this, there have been at least ten mass shootings that got almost no coverage. America is numb to the death toll easy access to weapons has created and will continue to create. The NRA doesn't care how many more have to die to sustain Wayne LaPierre's lifestyle of mansions, imported suits, luxury jets and yachts.

Right wing media is pushing the narrative to punish Baldwin for being mean to Agolf Twittler for four years. The eff your feewings crowd suddenly demands their feewings be honored. What utter snowflakes.

#44 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-10-27 01:55 PM | Reply

In the OR, the nurse hands the surgeon the scalpel. Is he supposed to sanitize it again, just in case?

Nice strawman.

Keep it away from flames.

#45 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-10-27 01:59 PM | Reply

Dan,

"Expect new rules to prohibit ANY live rounds on sets."

Don't you figure there's already rules on this that were probably broken?

Don't use lack of rules as an accuse.

It was negligence and ignoring existing rules on gun handling.

#46 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-27 02:38 PM | Reply

"Don't you figure there's already rules on this that were probably broken?"

Absolutely.

And every person blaming Baldwin has never been on a set, and everyone who has worked on a set are blaming the A.D. and the armorer. If "target practice" was being allowed with "antique, era-period guns", A LOT of things were out of whack. First on my list is the armorer not having providence over the guns at all times.

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-27 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It was negligence and ignoring existing rules on gun handling."

Yes, but not just by Baldwin. When he's given the "cold gun", he's NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE IT APART at that point.

"Don't use lack of rules as an accuse."

I wasn't. I was just lamenting at the SOP, where it takes a tragedy to get a better protocol in place.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-27 03:02 PM | Reply

"I was just lamenting at the SOP, where it takes a tragedy to get a better protocol in place."

That's lamentably normal, across all industries and throughout human endeavor.

Thoughts and prayers.
Nothing can be done.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-27 03:16 PM | Reply

Theres a time and a place for guns.

en.wikipedia.org

#50 | Posted by Tor at 2021-10-27 03:24 PM | Reply

Total disregard for gun safety on his set.

His SNL portrayals have set him up for ridicule and attacks.

I feel sorry for the girl and her family who will suffer the consequences.

#8 | Posted by BillJohnson

That's not how movie sets work. Actors and producers aren't in charge of guns.
You're just desperate to blame baldwin because he hates your cult leader.

This was the fault of stupid ----------- who were shooting for fun, and someone ended up getting killed.
Just like so many other gun deaths.

PS - your cult doesn't care about the loss of life so spare us your fake tears about the girl and her family. You morons wont even get a shot or wear a mask to save lives, so don't act like this girls life is any more tragic than the hundreds of thousands you morons got killed during covid.

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-27 03:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Everyone who says Baldwin should have been required to check the gun
Also says
Nobody should be required to wear a mask or get vaccinated.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-27 04:32 PM | Reply

Latest report says they took a lead bullet out of the wounded guy's shoulder.

#53 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-27 05:26 PM | Reply

#51 and the number one reason idiotic R's will win in the next election cycle.

You all just can't help but make up silly groups and assign people to them, and then insult that group. It was said upthread there are liberals who own and shoot guns too, but when it comes down to making a point speak has to label anyone who shoots a gun a dumb, anti vax, trump loving, mouth breather... and you wonder why you can't win people over to your way of seeing things. Just amazing.

#54 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-10-27 05:51 PM | Reply

#51 and the number one reason idiotic R's will win in the next election cycle.

You all just can't help but make up silly groups and assign people to them, and then insult that group. It was said upthread there are liberals who own and shoot guns too, but when it comes down to making a point speak has to label anyone who shoots a gun a dumb, anti vax, trump loving, mouth breather... and you wonder why you can't win people over to your way of seeing things. Just amazing.

#54 | Posted by kwrx25

Rs will win because they're rigging elections and biden is a weak coward who's doing nothing about the fascist uprising.

There are liberals who own guns, but they dont parade around with them in public to intimidate people like the ----------- do. They don't make guns their identity and substitute for their manhood.

Guns are popular with people who feel powerless. When you're a moron who sucked in school and lacks the skills to provide for your family, you don't feel like a real man. But having a stash of guns helps you feel better. As it's become harder for men to be actual good providers, guns have been flying off the shelves.

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-27 06:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Nothing changes the fact that he negligently discharged a firearm. You point it at the ground, not people when clearing it. Never aim it up.

Baldwin is in very serious trouble.

#56 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-10-27 06:48 PM | Reply

Baldwin is in very serious trouble.

#56 | Posted by HeliumRat

No he's not. Just like the actor who shot brandon lee didn't get in trouble.

You just WISH he was in trouble because he made your con man leader melt down by doing a comedic impression of him.

#57 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-27 06:51 PM | Reply

"You all just can't help but make up silly groups and assign people to them, and then insult that group"

For some reason, only you guys get to do that.

Mexicans, Welfare Queens, even Soy Boys.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-27 06:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#57 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Uh, I like Baldwin.

But yeah, snoofy is a soy boy. The far left is too stupid to meme. How smart can you be to get out-memed?

#59 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-10-27 07:24 PM | Reply

The far left is too stupid to meme.

#59 | Posted by HeliumRat

Let us know when the far left abandons all their principles to join the cult of a fascist con man who failed at everything he ever touched.

#60 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-27 07:30 PM | Reply

Hel,

Baldwin's defense.

"I was in character so it's not my fault"

#61 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-27 09:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

That's pretty good BillJohnson.

He would get laughs with that on SNL.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-27 09:42 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Don't hold your breath until Baldwin is on SNL again.

#63 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-27 10:16 PM | Reply

AD who made the "cold gun" call admits he never checked all the rounds in it first.

#64 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-28 02:06 AM | Reply

Dick Cheney shot his friend in the face. His friend apologized to Cheney. Cheney was shooting at birds on the ground, and was likely intoxicated at the time. Alec Baldwin was using a prop gun on the set of a movie and a talented cinematographer died because the prop gun was loaded with live ammo.

Only a delusional, dare I say deplorable, person would equate the two incidents. They have nothing to do with each other.

Alec Baldwin's personal life has nothing to do with it. Ridiculing him is cruel to the family of Hutchens.

F Dick Cheney, he' a monster. His failure to follow gun safety in an environment where he KNEW his gun was loaded is a completely separate situation...your tortured logic to draw some false equivalency is depraved.

#65 | Posted by chuffy at 2021-10-28 03:00 AM | Reply

Real gun. He didn't check a real gun being used as a toy.

#66 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-28 07:31 AM | Reply

and Cheney should have definitely said sorry not the other way around lol.

#67 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-28 07:33 AM | Reply

#58, When discussing a topic I don't randomly assign all liberals are mexicans, and then insult all mexicans.

Your point is apples to automobiles type of comparisons. As usual, you suck at analogies.

#68 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-10-28 10:56 AM | Reply

"When discussing a topic I don't randomly assign all liberals are mexicans, and then insult all mexicans."

No, of course not

Some, you assume, are good people.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-28 11:05 AM | Reply

This thread is showing how liberals get it wrong about gun control.

Guns don't kill people.

People kill people.

The person using the weapon has the ultimate responsibility for gun safety.

Unless the gun malfunctioned and went off someone pulled the trigger.

The solution is responsible gun ownership and usage.

#70 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-28 11:15 AM | Reply

The person using the weapon has the ultimate responsibility for gun safety.

Try to make that an actual law and someone will burn your house down.

#71 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-28 11:18 AM | Reply

It is the law. If the justice system decides Baldwin doesn't merit a Manslaughter charge, it is what it is. How big of a book do you think the system should throw in this instance?

#72 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-28 11:24 AM | Reply

I don't know. I read a lot of stories about accidental shootings and it seems so long as it was an accident (I didn't know it was loaded) not much happens.

In this case, it looks like the armorer should have checked it, the AD should have checked it, Baldwin should have checked it, and the two people who got shot should have checked it. None of them did. Gun handling and control on this set sucked.

#73 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-28 11:30 AM | Reply

#73 There is certainly a lot of negligence on the part of the entire crew that tragically ended in death. I don't know if rises to the level of criminal negligence, but there will be a lot of blame to go around.

From what I've heard a lot of people turned down work with this production based on the shortcuts and loose procedures that existed. That doen't bode well for anyone involved.

#74 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-10-28 01:06 PM | Reply

...based on the shortcuts and loose procedures that existed.

I think it was more based on not getting paid and accommodations.

#75 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-28 01:13 PM | Reply

AD who made the "cold gun" call admits he never checked all the rounds in it first.

#64 | Posted by REDIAL

Yeah but that AD wasn't on SNL making fun of trump, so lets not blame him. Lets blame the guy who hates trump.

#76 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-28 01:25 PM | Reply

The solution is responsible gun ownership and usage.

#70 | Posted by BillJohnson

Is that something that we should regulate? Or is the honor system enough?

#77 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-28 01:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Real gun. He didn't check a real gun being used as a toy.

Real gun being used as a prop. A prop gun. Real or not, I agree that good safety rules were not followed, and/or their protocols were faulty and not executed properly. The expectation that Alec Baldwin had of being handed a gun that *should* have been loaded with blanks vs. the reality of not checking the gun for live rounds is arguable. But someone died. How that's funny still escapes me. Totally different scenario with Dick Cheney. All the not-liberals here continue to choose the hill of, "Alec Baldwin made fun of Trump and is a bad person, so we can make fun of him..." to die on, and I don't get it. Nobody seems to want to address that point. We just continue to get more pretzel-twisted excuses and rationales for being disgusting human beings in the face of a tragic death to "own the libs" or whatever the point of ridiculing Alec Baldwin is. Like I said, it's a bad take. There's no weaseling out of it, you're either a decent person or you're not. All humor offends, but Repubicans continue to find humor in things that aren't inherently funny. I feel sorry for the cinematographer's family, they have to deal with these wingnutters while they're grieving the loss of their loved one.

#78 | Posted by chuffy at 2021-10-28 01:30 PM | Reply

The expectation that Alec Baldwin had of being handed a gun that *should* have been loaded with blanks vs. the reality of not checking the gun for live rounds is arguable.

It wasn't supposed to be loaded with blanks either.

#79 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-28 01:35 PM | Reply

#65 - "F Dick Cheney, he' a monster. His failure to follow gun safety in an environment where he KNEW his gun was loaded is a completely separate situation."

You art absolutely right. Cheney was not following basic gun safety. Neither was Alec Baldwin, but you defend his failure to adhere to basic gun safety. , chuffy. Weird.

#80 | Posted by jakester at 2021-10-28 02:03 PM | Reply

You art absolutely right. Cheney was not following basic gun safety. Neither was Alec Baldwin, but you defend his failure to adhere to basic gun safety. , chuffy. Weird.

#80 | Posted by jakester

Basic gun safety on a film set is not the actors' responsibility. It's the AD and propmaster.

But we get it. Baldwin hurt trump's feelings so his trained dogs must attack.

#81 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-28 02:11 PM | Reply

#80 Jakester,

You have to let it go that Baldwin didn't follow basic gun safety.

A movie set has it's own protocol of what is proper gun safety. You can't apply a different set of expected actions to him.

It might be fair ground to ask if those protocols were actually properly followed, and this being "his" movie, how much that was due/allowed to/by him.

#82 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-10-28 02:30 PM | Reply

Real gun being used as a prop. A prop gun.

#78 | POSTED BY CHUFFY AT 2021-10-28 01:30 PM | FLAG:

Right. Calling it a "prop gun" without noting that it is a very real firearm, and everybody involved knew it was used for real targeting shooting, is just a weak attempt to blame the gun and not the people involved.

#83 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-10-28 04:08 PM | Reply

"AD who made the "cold gun" call admits he never checked all the rounds in it first."

MAJOR F-up.

And the armorer didn't secure all guns before/during lunch break.

MAJOR MAJOR F-up.

And there were live rounds on set.

MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR F-up.

My guess is the usual protocol, done with day players or the rare gunshot, gets very, very tedious with folks on the set for weeks, handling guns all the time. However, that is no excuse.

"You have to let it go that Baldwin didn't follow basic gun safety."

The more I hear about it, the less I do. They'd probably gone through the protocol that morning with Baldwin, and every time with minor characters, but this was at the end of a lunch break when the DP, Director, and AB came back early. While the AD should NEVER have called something he didn't personally know for a fact (the lynchpin), Baldwin could've and should've requested the full protocol again. Especially since, as Producer, he was certainly aware of the problems with antique guns "misfiring" on set, and the fact a large portion of the camera crew had walked off the set due to safety and pay concerns and been replaced earlier that day.

#84 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-28 04:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#84 | POSTED BY DANFORTH --- And on top of that tonyroma posted in the other thread "Five days before Hutchins was killed, Baldwin's stunt double accidentally fired two live rounds after being told that the weapon didn't have any ammunition in it, the newspaper reported, citing two crew members."

There was so much negligence in this that heads should roll. Baldwin clearly holds some blame here.

#85 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2021-10-28 04:34 PM | Reply

"There was so much negligence in this that heads should roll. Baldwin clearly holds some blame here."

Agreed. But I'd put his solidly in third place. Two other people had JOBS with those specific safety responsibilities.

#86 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-28 04:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#82 - "A movie set has it's own protocol of what is proper gun safety. You can't apply a different set of expected actions to him."

Safety trumps any protocol.

It's protocol that cars should stop at a red light so pedestrians can cross. As a pedestrian, do you trust no car will run the red light, or do you look both ways first to make sure a car isn't coming?

With a deadly weapon, it's insanity to ignore basic safety procedures as Baldwin proved. Scream "protocol" 'til you go hoarse if you want, but I don't think the protocol says to abandon basic gun handling procedures.

Funny how people like Baldwin scream about the need for stricter gun safety rules, yet fail to follow the most basic ones himself. He's a hypocrite.

#87 | Posted by jakester at 2021-10-28 05:28 PM | Reply

"Safety trumps any protocol."

Mask mandates on Line 1.
Vaccine mandates on Line 2.
Freedom on Line 3.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-28 05:49 PM | Reply

"He's a hypocrite."

Appeal to hypocrisy remains the Riiiight's most cherished logical fallacy.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-28 05:50 PM | Reply

>Funny how people like Baldwin scream about the need for stricter gun safety rules

There aren't any gun safety rules.
Just suggestions. Known to some. Unknown to others.

#90 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-10-28 05:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wonder who's thumbprint is on the cartridge casing?

#4 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2021-10-26 01:40 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

According to our crime lab, the combination of heat, friction, and mechanical action tends to oblitarate latent prints on cartridge casings. Even though this is a revolver vs a semi-auto pistol meaning there's less friction and mechanical action, the heat of the combination of the primer and the gunpowder would have done a number on any possible latent prints.

#91 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-10-28 06:12 PM | Reply

Safety trumps any protocol.

It's protocol that cars should stop at a red light so pedestrians can cross. As a pedestrian, do you trust no car will run the red light, or do you look both ways first to make sure a car isn't coming?

#87 | Posted by jakester

Yeah but ON A MOVIE SET, sometime you need a car to drive through a red light.

So you have safety professionals on set to make sure that dangerous thing is done safely.

It's their fault when something goes wrong.

But when you're in a cult, you need to blame the person who made fun of your cult leader.

#92 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-28 06:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#87 Great analogy...

Actors cannot be trusted with guns, and their safety given how they are expected to break from norms in how they treat the weapon, pointing/firing at others, brandishing wildly, etc... So they are given overseers who are the authority on the weapon, AKA the armorer.

JUST like we don't trust school kids to cross streets even with red lights, we know that they should check themselves if it's ok to cross but we don't trust them to. So we have crossing guards that are supposed to make sure that the traffic is indeed stopped and to tell the children it's ok to cross.

Armor = Crossing guard... Actors = dumb kids.

Can this be any clearer?

#93 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-10-28 06:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Armor = Crossing guard... Actors = dumb kids. Can this be any clearer?"

Well, that depends: If the Crossing Guard tells the dumb kids to cross against the light "NOW!", and they do and get hit...is that the kids' fault?

#94 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-28 06:53 PM | Reply

"Actors cannot be expected to be the experts with antique, era-specific guns..."

FTFY

#95 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-28 06:55 PM | Reply

I'm glad the fingerprints on those live rounds are not mine.

#96 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-28 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

According to our crime lab, the combination of heat, friction, and mechanical action tends to oblitarate latent prints on cartridge casings.

How about the unfired rounds in the cylinder?

#97 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-28 07:03 PM | Reply

#96 Good point, they likely will figure out who loaded the gun. That isn't a crime though.
Giving a loaded gun to someone while telling them it is unloaded, when they know the person will point the gun at the camera crew and pull the trigger is the crime, at least negligence causing death. They know who that person is.

From what I have heard is that revolvers in movies are often loaded with rounds without gunpowder to make them look loaded. Apparently you can shake them to hear the beebees inside.

#98 | Posted by bored at 2021-10-28 07:09 PM | Reply

From what I have heard is that revolvers in movies are often loaded with rounds without gunpowder to make them look loaded.

Also interesting that there were three guns at the scene... one real one, one disabled one, and a plastic one. Odd that the real one was handed out in a rehearsal.

#99 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-28 07:12 PM | Reply

"they likely will figure out who loaded the gun. That isn't a crime though."

It's negligence if it's returned to the prop table without being emptied.*

"Giving a loaded gun to someone while telling them it is unloaded, when they know the person will point the gun at the camera crew and pull the trigger is the crime, at least negligence "

Agreed. The AD should never had made that call without contemporaneous, first-hand knowledge. This F-up, and his prior history will end his film career, as it should.

*And the armorer is negligent for not locking up the guns. And doubly negligent if she realized the guns had been out of her control, and didn't recheck before "clearing" them, if she did.

#100 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-10-28 07:19 PM | Reply

Apparently you can shake them to hear the beebees inside.

I just checked the dummy rounds I have for my .45 and they don't have anything in them.

#101 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-28 07:29 PM | Reply

Speak,

"Is that something that we should regulate?"

Maybe we should do like other cultures.

Kill someone...be stoned to death.

I bet they'd be more careful facing that threat.

#102 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-28 07:50 PM | Reply

Kill someone...be stoned to death.

I bet they'd be more careful facing that threat.

#102 | Posted by BillJohnson

Wrong as usual.

The death penalty has been shown to have no deterrent effect on crime.

#103 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-28 08:00 PM | Reply

Cherry pick my comments all you want, righties, the fact of the matter is that selling a "Guns don't kill people, Alec Baldwin kills people" t-shirt within days of the incident is a Dick move, and not funny. We all can see you dancing around it.

I've clearly stated that the safety protocols on the set were awful. This will be investigated further...unlike Dick Cheney who was allowed to go home after he shot someone in the face while hunting. What I find interesting is that the wingnuts here are arguing with me like I'm blanket giving Baldwin a pass for not overseeing a safe environment. I haven't said any such thing. I'm just pointing out that y'all think it's funny and that's sick af. And conflating the two incidents, which are nowhere near the same, is stupid and I'm not hearing any arguments that convince me otherwise.

#104 | Posted by chuffy at 2021-10-28 08:00 PM | Reply

#94- "what if...."

What if you stop clutching at straws with your pathetic hypothetical scenarios.

Safety trumps protocol. Learn this. If Alec Baldwin behaved on the movie set living that maxim, Hutchens would be alive today.

Prove me wrong.

#105 | Posted by jakester at 2021-10-28 09:23 PM | Reply

Speak,

"The death penalty has been shown to have no deterrent effect on crime."

It does on the person who was punished.

You don't it more than once.

#106 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-28 09:43 PM | Reply

Prove me wrong.

Such an insolent moron.

Dave Halls, the assistant director, said he did not thoroughly check the gun he handed to Alec Baldwin, according to an affidavit.

He said that the film's armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, had opened the gun for him to inspect, according to the affidavit.

"He advised he should have checked all of them, but didn't, and couldn't recall if she spun the drum," according to the affidavit. He said he remembered seeing only three rounds.

(After the shooting, Mr. Halls said he picked up the gun from a pew inside the church and took it to Ms. Reed. When she opened it, he said, according to the affidavit, he could see "at least four dummy casings with the holes on the side, and one without the hole. He advised this did not have the cap on it and was just the casing." Dummy rounds are sometimes identified by a pierced hole on the side.)

In the days since the shooting on the set, which occurred on Thursday - the actor Alec Baldwin shot the cinematographer and the director with a gun he had been told did not contain live ammunition - detectives from the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office have been examining the role that Mr. Halls and others on the set had in the incident.

It was Mr. Halls who handed Mr. Baldwin the firearm during rehearsals inside the set of a church and said that it was a "cold gun," according to court documents, indicating that the firearm contained no live rounds and was safe for Mr. Baldwin to handle. Mr. Baldwin then began rehearsing a scene that involved "cross drawing" the revolver and pointing it toward the camera lens, according to the affidavit, when the gun went off.

In the frantic moments after the shooting, the assistant director was singled out by a script supervisor who called 911 with a desperate plea for help. "We've had two people accidentally shot on a movie set," the script supervisor, Mamie Mitchell, told the 911 operator. Then Ms. Mitchell described how it was the assistant director's responsibility to make sure such mishaps never happen. "He's supposed to check the guns," Ms. Mitchell said in the call.

It's obvious as night and day who bears responsibility for this tragedy and in no way was it the actor who isn't allowed to alter/check any "cleared" weapon after it's handed to him.

#107 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-10-28 09:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#107 - "Such an insolent moron."

Was there anything meaningful after that? I stopped reading there. I assume the rest of the post was qw juvenile as the first line of the post.

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser"

Better luck next time, Tonyroma. Next time post as an adult would, not a schoolyard bully.

#108 | Posted by jakester at 2021-10-28 10:14 PM | Reply

Tony,

I'm curious who had the responsibility of making sure everyone was doing their jobs correctly.

In other words, the person whose responsibility was to make sure the gun was unloaded, who was that person's boss?

Also, what about the people who had just walked off the set claiming they felt unsafe?

What were they referring to?

When people don't do their jobs correctly, their supervisor may be partially at fault.

Due to lax standards and even those not enforced, blaming this on one individual may be impossible.

#109 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-28 10:21 PM | Reply

"the fact of the matter is that selling a "Guns don't kill people, Alec Baldwin kills people" t-shirt within days of the incident is a Dick move, and not funny. We all can see you dancing around it. "

It's because that is the entire Trumpy platform. If you can be a dick about everything as early as possible and as often as possible you are in!

And you never have to say you are sorry.

#110 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-28 10:22 PM | Reply

Was there anything meaningful after that? I stopped reading there.

Of course you did. Truth hurts, duddenit?

insolent - showing a rude and arrogant lack of respect.
Check.
moron - a stupid person.
Check.

Safety trumps protocol. Learn this. If Alec Baldwin behaved on the movie set living that maxim, Hutchens would be alive today.

Prove me wrong.

It was Mr. Halls who handed Mr. Baldwin the firearm during rehearsals inside the set of a church and said that it was a "cold gun," according to court documents, indicating that the firearm contained no live rounds and was safe for Mr. Baldwin to handle. Mr. Baldwin then began rehearsing a scene that involved "cross drawing" the revolver and pointing it toward the camera lens, according to the affidavit, when the gun went off.
Done and done. Read it as many times as it takes to sink into whatever it is you call cognition. I know you won't hence my term for you wasn't an insult, it was simply a definition of who you are.

#111 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-10-28 10:25 PM | Reply

the person whose responsibility was to make sure the gun was unloaded, who was that person's boss?

I don't know much about set hierarchy but I'd guess the assistant director's boss would be the director?

#112 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-28 10:27 PM | Reply

#109

I understand what you're saying Bill and those are good and pertinent questions, and I'll be the first to say that I cannot answer them with authority because I'm not fully cognizant of on-set firearm protocols.

However, as the excerpt describes, both the armorer and the assistant director have mutual responsibility for on set firearm safety and they alone must check to make sure weapons are safe before actors handle them. Other than them, I don't know, but after this tragedy and with its high profile I'm sure there will be others added to the chain of responsibility moving forward as other posters already surmised.

I believe the people walking off the set due to the alleged lax weapons protocols were likely referring to the AD and whomever else in the cast was doing the plinking during downtime. There is never supposed to be live ammunition on set and there obviously was, and now a woman lost her life because this was the case.

#113 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-10-28 10:33 PM | Reply

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser"

Better luck next time, Tonyroma. Next time post as an adult would, not a schoolyard bully.

#108 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

Garbage. There actually is no point in debating you insurrectionists. So consider yourself lucky to get any civilized response these days.

What's amazing to watch is the Trumptilians dance around gun regulations but actually call for more gun regulation. In order entry to try and slam poor Alec.

The poor man just shot a coworker and a friend accidentally. Alec was set up in the worst possible way.

Regardless ...

It's gonna cost him plenty as it is since he was one of the producers of the show. No need to for you hateful Trumpers to rub salt in his wounds. But you will anyway. Won't you? Because that's how Trumpers are.

Hateful. The kind of people that won't help others in society and they love to kick others when they are down.

#114 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-10-28 10:34 PM | Reply

Speak,

"The death penalty has been shown to have no deterrent effect on crime."

It does on the person who was punished.

You don't it more than once.

#106 | Posted by BillJohnson a

So what? Your point in #102 that it would deter crime is wrong.

#115 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-28 11:19 PM | Reply

This thread is just an example of how trained trump's dogs are to attack his enemies even when there's nothing to attack.

Everyone determined to blame baldwin is simply exposing themselves as trump's little slaves.

#116 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-28 11:20 PM | Reply

I believe the people walking off the set due to the alleged lax weapons protocols were likely referring to the AD and whomever else in the cast was doing the plinking during downtime.

They walked off because they were not getting paid and had to drive 50 miles to get to the set every day.

#117 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-28 11:45 PM | Reply

#116 From everything I've read about this, as an actor it appears that Baldwin should receive little blame for this tragedy. From what I've read the in scene that was being shot he was instructed to point the gun right at the camera and fire.

Here's the thing though - he's also the producer and as the producer he's ultimately responsible for what happens on his set.

Oh, and before you go there (because everything with lefties always circles back to Trump) I really liked his impersonations of Trump on SNL. He wasn't as good as Tina Fay doing Palin and certainly not as good as Steve Bridges impersonating W Bush, but he was funny in his role nevertheless.

#118 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-28 11:58 PM | Reply

#116 From everything I've read about this, as an actor it appears that Baldwin should receive little blame for this tragedy.

#118 | Posted by BellRinger

So why is your cult so horny to blame him?

You know why.

He made fun of your clown cult leader.

If this were chuck norris or clint eastwood, they'd find the nearest liberal to blame instead.

#119 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-29 02:47 AM | Reply

#119 What is with your ------- attempts at guilt-by-association?

Further, you WAY over use the word "cult' to the point that it's lost all meaning in your posts.

So why is your cult so horny to blame him?

Do you not see the extreme irony of a huge proponent of "gun control" advocating to the point of making it illegal except for that pesky 2nd, mishandling a gun resulting in the death of a woman?

#120 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-29 03:00 AM | Reply

I want to be clear -

I don't for a second believe that Baldwin knew the gun was hot and he absolutely did not intend to injure or kill anyone. This has to weigh on him in a big way and it's something I feel I can empathize with. I've never shot and/or killed anyone. But I can imagine what it would feel like to do so, especially as a result of a tragic accident.

I feel bad for him. I really do.

#121 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-29 03:09 AM | Reply

Do you not see the extreme irony of a huge proponent of "gun control" advocating to the point of making it illegal except for that pesky 2nd, mishandling a gun resulting in the death of a woman?

Hard to say if it's ironic or proves his point. Did he ever advocate for people who use guns to have some form of training in basic gun handling? It does not sound like New Mexico has any such requirement.

#122 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-10-29 07:16 AM | Reply

"Do you not see the extreme irony of a huge proponent of "gun control" advocating to the point of making it illegal except for that pesky 2nd, mishandling a gun resulting in the death of a woman?"

I'm not so sure.
Let's say he mishandled the gun.
Why should people who are going to mishandle a gun be granted Second Amendment rights?

The woman would be alive if gun handling training was required before using a gun.
Okay. Let's do that.

Let's make sure everyone who handles a gun is required to have gun handling training.
Sound good?

#123 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-29 08:46 AM | Reply

"Actors cannot be trusted with guns, and their safety given how they are expected to break from norms in how they treat the weapon, pointing/firing at others, brandishing wildly, etc... So they are given overseers who are the authority on the weapon, AKA the armorer."

If you think it's only actors that cannot be trusted with guns...
Chicago on Line 2.

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-29 08:50 AM | Reply

Speak,

My post about the death penalty was satire.

Satire can be fun to watch people take it literal and respond.

Btw...I doubt people hate Baldwin like you say.

However given his family history and his level of Trump mockery and ridicule and facial contortions that far exceeded what other SNL impersonators ever did, the lack of sympathy for the guy has been brought on by himself.

#125 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-29 10:31 AM | Reply

his level of Trump mockery

#125 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Was less than what Trump deserved.

#126 | Posted by Zed at 2021-10-29 10:52 AM | Reply

However given his family history and his level of Trump mockery and ridicule and facial contortions
#125

Have you seen the one where Trump mocks a handicapped person?

#127 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-10-29 11:02 AM | Reply

"I feel bad for [Baldwin]. I really do."

I don't. He has bullied and abused people his entire life. Karma is a bitch.

Maybe this horrific incident will instill some humility in him.

#128 | Posted by jakester at 2021-10-29 12:26 PM | Reply

Further, you WAY over use the word "cult' to the point that it's lost all meaning in your posts.

So why is your cult so horny to blame him?

Do you not see the extreme irony of a huge proponent of "gun control" advocating to the point of making it illegal except for that pesky 2nd, mishandling a gun resulting in the death of a woman?

#120 | Posted by BellRinger

There is no irony because movies are not real life. That's like saying an actor who supports abortion should never play a catholic preist. You're just desperately clinging for something to attack baldwin over, since he make your cult leader cry.

I'm going to keep using the word CULT because it's the word that most efficiently and accurately describes your political group. It's not a party. It's a cult built around a con man.

You just hate hearing it because you know it's irrefutable.

Perhaps instead I should say "your group of morons who insist absolute loyalty to one man, who parrot his lies no matter how ridiculous, who attack and ostracize anyone who won't parrot his lies, and who try to destroy the lives of anyone who makes the leader look bad" But that's too much typing. CULT sums all that up in one word.

#129 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-29 12:34 PM | Reply

Speak,

My post about the death penalty was satire.

Satire can be fun to watch people take it literal and respond.

Btw...I doubt people hate Baldwin like you say.

However given his family history and his level of Trump mockery and ridicule and facial contortions that far exceeded what other SNL impersonators ever did, the lack of sympathy for the guy has been brought on by himself.

#125 | Posted by BillJohnson

Yeah because trump far exceeded the mockery that any other president has ever earned. But your cult hates their when their crybaby cult leader gets made fun of so they've wanted baldwin to suffer for years.

Go read the breitbart comment section to see what your fellow cult members think about baldwin.

#130 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-29 12:36 PM | Reply

Btw...I doubt people hate Baldwin like you say.

#125 | Posted by BillJohnson

Haha a couple posts above yours:

"I feel bad for [Baldwin]. I really do."
I don't. He has bullied and abused [TRUMP]. Karma is a bitch.
Maybe this horrific incident will instill some humility in him.
#128 | Posted by jakester

#131 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-29 12:38 PM | Reply

#125 - "Btw...I doubt people hate Baldwin like you say."

I agree, Bill Johnson. I know I don't. I wouldn't waste the emotional energy it takes to hate someone on a person like him.

#132 | Posted by jakester at 2021-10-29 12:53 PM | Reply

Speak,

You sound thin skinned if you think that's hatred.

#133 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-29 01:08 PM | Reply

You sound thin skinned if you think that's hatred.

#133 | Posted by BillJohnson

You sound like you got disproven so you're saying that doesn't count.

#134 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-29 01:15 PM | Reply

Speak,

I'm ignoring you now.

#135 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-10-29 02:44 PM | Reply

I'm ignoring you now.

#135 | Posted by BillJohnson

Of course. Rightwingers always have to run and hide from those they can't refute.

#136 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-29 04:32 PM | Reply

#136 You're a broken record. You say the exact same things over and over regardless of the context of the thread. It gets old after a while.

#137 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-29 04:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#136 You're a broken record. You say the exact same things over and over regardless of the context of the thread. It gets old after a while.

#137 | Posted by BellRinger

I boil problems down to their essential root causes. I'm not going to stop saying that you're in a fascist cult because you're in a fascist cult.

If that bothers you you can go somewhere like breitbart and be protected from the real world, or you can leave the fascist cult.

It's not my job to make you feel like being in a fascist cult is ok.

#138 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-29 04:43 PM | Reply

I boil problems down to their essential root causes.

You boil everything down to - you are right and anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed.

It's kind of amusing in a pathetic kind of way.

#139 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-29 04:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You boil everything down to - you are right and anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed.

It's kind of amusing in a pathetic kind of way.

#139 | Posted by BellRinger

I only comment on threads that I think I'm right about. Same as everyone else here idiot.

Maybe you're brainwashed. Maybe you're just stupid. But you are undeniably in a fascist cult.

And you are a pathetic loser who has to keep getting new usernames to run from your past statements. I haven't had to do that one time.

#140 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-29 05:03 PM | Reply

Seriously, take your meds. I can see the spittle on your screen.

#141 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-29 05:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Seriously, take your meds. I can see the spittle on your screen.

#141 | Posted by BellRinger

Oh no a guy who lies about everything sees spittle on my screen. That must mean it's actually squeaky clean.

#142 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-29 05:34 PM | Reply

Lies about everything?

Hardly. I don't lie about anything.

I also don't obsessively caricature and live in a constant state of faux moral superiority.

Seriously, how many times in a day do you use the words 'fascist' and 'cult'? Pick up a fricking thesaurus. It's beyond repetitive.

#143 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-29 05:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Hardly. I don't lie about anything."

LOL.
Eastman Memo much?

#144 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-29 05:40 PM | Reply

Hey BellRinger.

You resort to playing dumb, when faced with facts you don't want to acknowledge.

Like with the Eastman Memo.
Everybody here can see it.
Including you.

That's what makes you a liar.

#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-29 05:47 PM | Reply

Have you noticed that the actions laid out in that memo weren't taken?

#146 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-29 05:48 PM | Reply

I also don't obsessively caricature and live in a constant state of faux moral superiority.

Seriously, how many times in a day do you use the words 'fascist' and 'cult'? Pick up a fricking thesaurus. It's beyond repetitive.

#143 | Posted by BellRinger

I used them every time i talk to you because it's the most accurate and efficient description of your political group.

Stop whining that you're accurately described. You chose this path. Own it.

My moral supperiority isn't faux. I'm morally superior to everyone in a fascist cult.

#147 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-29 05:49 PM | Reply

Have you noticed that the actions laid out in that memo weren't taken?

#146 | Posted by BellRinger

Because he only got to step 1 then failed.

There were too many principled republicans left who stopped him. Which is why your fascist cult has been purging them so that next time he'll succeed.

How come democrats dont have to purge election officials who wont say there's fraud when we lose?

#148 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-29 05:51 PM | Reply

#147 Get over yourself.

You've got this me against the world mentality that is unhealthy.

#149 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-10-29 05:53 PM | Reply

"Have you noticed that the actions laid out in that memo weren't taken?"

You read it? That's funny. Yesterday you doubted its authenticity...

Do you see how the Eastman Memorandum is a blueprint for a legal coup?

#150 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-29 05:55 PM | Reply

#147 Get over yourself.

You've got this me against the world mentality that is unhealthy.

#149 | Posted by BellRinger

No it's a democracy against fascism mentality and you're on the side of fascism.

Why is that?

#151 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-10-29 05:56 PM | Reply

"There were too many principled republicans left who stopped him"

The remaining Republicans no longer have a platform, they only have a loyalty oath to Trump.

It's... impressive to see Republicans, Libertarians, Independents, and even one "Liberal" say it's no cause for alarm that the Republican Party has become a Cult of Personality, and doesn't take seriously the oath they swore to uphold and defend the Constitution.

I'd like to say I'm surprised, but this has been brewing for a long time.

#152 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-10-29 06:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Seriously, take your meds."

That one died out with "mother's basement". C'mon. It's the 21st century.

#153 | Posted by jakester at 2021-10-29 08:12 PM | Reply

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