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Monday, November 01, 2021

Michelle Goldberg: This is a story about how the right twisted the sexual assault of a teenager into a culture war fantasy. It's about how a distorted tale on a conservative website became grist for a nationwide moral panic.

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All the usual players - Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, the right-wing going into full on culture war mode, and deliberately getting it wrong. This is how a lie and a right-wing fantasy can be so destructive and actually make things far, far worse for everyone involved. Everyone but the Republican candidate for Governor of Virginia, that is.

This is classic demagoguery. Playing on the base fears of a group and exploiting those fears for power. How unfounded or misplaced those fears may be is irrelevant.

#1 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-01 08:45 AM | Reply

Key Facts Conservatives Ignore:

No Trans Bathroom Policy in effect at the time.
The victim was allegedly dating the boy at the time and INVITED him into the bathroom to discuss breaking up.
The boy isn't trans.

#2 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-11-01 11:43 AM | Reply

Wow, Republicants LIE? Shocked.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-11-01 12:48 PM | Reply

There's screaming and fist-fights at School Board meetings as a result of these lies. There's total insanity and ramped up crazy in the Trump base over these lies. The death threats being made. This lying for political gain without regard to consequences needs to stop.

#4 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-01 12:53 PM | Reply

Republicans are good at fixing problems that don't exist.

#5 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-11-01 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

She was asking for it? That's what you're going with?

#6 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-11-01 02:45 PM | Reply

#6 - Wow. You are a dirtbag for even thinking that. That's the way Republican minds work, though.
No, she wasn't asking for it. He is a sexual molester. Hee's an ------- that assaulted another girl at the school he was sent to, while wearing an ankle bracelet.
"But pending a hearing, he was allowed to enroll at another high school while wearing an ankle monitor. In early October he was arrested again, this time for allegedly forcing a girl into an empty classroom and touching her inappropriately."

#7 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-01 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#7 - this is why that ridiculous narrative the right-wing is pushing is so harmful. It makes people miss the real problem and go running after a nonexistent "threat" that's in their head. Spun up from demagoguery.

#8 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-01 03:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump voters are all pedos, so they need to be kept out of schools.

#9 | Posted by bored at 2021-11-01 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Smith's daughter testified that she'd previously had two consensual sexual encounters with her attacker in the school bathroom."

A little surprising the New York Times would actually allow that to get printed.

I guess since they're trying to implicate the father, they're willing to throw the girl under the bus.

#10 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-01 06:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"they're willing to throw the girl under the bus."

Sounds like she's been under a lot of things!

Relax, it's a joke. The kind Republicans normally make, even.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-01 06:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

A little surprising the New York Times would actually allow that to get printed.

Why? It's factual, acknowledged by the girl, and in the public record.

#12 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-01 09:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let's gloss over the fact that the school board covered this up and flat out lied about this assault when holding a session trying to promote a policy allowing biological boys who claim to identify as female to use whichever facilities, including locker rooms, that they choose. I

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-01 09:16 PM | Reply

Blah blah blah blah. You're a dope.

#14 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-11-01 09:59 PM | Reply

Yet another in a long line of "quality" posts from the village idiot.

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-01 10:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"a policy allowing biological boys who claim to identify as female"

^
Right there is The Right's Big Lie About a Sexual Assault in Virginia
Transgender has nothing to do with the sexual assault.
Thanks for reading and understanding.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-01 10:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Transgender has nothing to do with the sexual assault

I didn't say it did. Well, unless you are suggesting that a transgender person is incapable of sexual assault - but that really isn't the point. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that a transgender person is MORE likely to commit sexual assault than a cisgender person.

But of course, my comment wasn't about transgender. It was about a safe space policy being promoted that enables biological males to enter female safe spaces simply by claiming they identify as female, regardless of whether or not they are actually suffering from gender dysphoria.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-01 10:56 PM | Reply

There is no 'safe space policy' in place.
This didn't happen because of one.
This didn't happen because any policy allows 'biological' males to enter 'female safe spaces.'
This certainly didn't happen because he identified as female.
In other words, everything you said is a lie. A lie you're repeating, either knowing it's a lie, or unknowingly and out of emotion, ignoring all the facts.
This means you are contributing to creating more incidents like this by focusing on the non-issue instead of the actual issue or sexual predation and 'date rape.'

#18 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-01 11:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I didn't say it did."

You said the two are related.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-01 11:02 PM | Reply

" It was about a safe space policy being promoted that enables biological males to enter female safe spaces simply by claiming they identify as female, regardless of whether or not they are actually suffering from gender dysphoria."

Again, that's not what happened here.

You really want this to be a trans thing.
It's not. It's a rape thing.

Why is everyone blaming the school, but nobody is blaming the parents who raised a rapist?

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-01 11:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

100% of rapes are caused by one thing: Rapists.

Not unisex bathrooms, not short skirts or trans kids.

#21 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-11-01 11:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why is everyone blaming the school

Because the school covered it up. Because the school lied about the assault even happening. Because the school transferred the boy to another school only to have him allegedly assault another girl (just like how the Catholic Church used to shuffle around their predator priests instead of taking action and thus creating more victims). Because when the father of this girl went to a school board meeting on the subject of opening up girls' facilities to any boy claiming to identify as a girl and when he heard the board lie got agitated. Then a woman got in his face and accused his daughter of lying about the sexual assault (this after a rape kit confirmed she was orally and anally penetrated and the boy was found guilty). He got understandably agitated and when a police officer grabbed his arm from behind, he yanked it away and the situation quickly escalated (the police handled the situation properly, IMO). Then, he's charged with a number of crimes all related to that single incident (disorderly conduct, trespassing, resisting arrest, etc) by a prosecutor who has a reputation for being incredibly lenient and going for the bare minimum yet she absolutely throws the book at this father. Then, to top it off, The NSBA sends a letter to the DOJ asking them to get the FBI involved and to label these parents as 'domestic terrorists' and use the Patriot Act against them with this father as the poster-child.

And you wonder why the school board and their allies are getting any blame. Unreal.

#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-01 11:16 PM | Reply

"Because the school covered it up."

That's not what I'm asking.
Is the school at fault for the rape?

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-01 11:18 PM | Reply

#23 No.

They are at fault for how they handled everything after the rape occurred.

#24 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-01 11:19 PM | Reply

"Because when the father of this girl went to a school board meeting on the subject of opening up girls' facilities to any boy claiming to identify as a girl and when he heard the board lie got agitated. Then a woman got in his face and accused his daughter of lying about the sexual assault (this after a rape kit confirmed she was orally and anally penetrated and the boy was found guilty). He got understandably agitated and when a police officer grabbed his arm from behind, he yanked it away and the situation quickly escalated (the police handled the situation properly, IMO)"

LOL.

You're upset at the school because the police handled the situation properly.

Go breathe into a paper bag for a while.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-01 11:20 PM | Reply

"They are at fault for how they handled everything after the rape occurred."

Even wholly unrelated things, like transgender stuff!

You're an emotional basket case. Did you get raped in a school bathroom?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-01 11:21 PM | Reply

"They are at fault for how they handled everything after the rape occurred."
-----
Even wholly unrelated things, like transgender stuff!

I laid out all of the reasons why the school board and their allies are being faulted. I'm not going to repeat myself.

I'm guessing you think the school board (and their allies) handled this perfectly?

#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-01 11:23 PM | Reply

You're upset at the school because the police handled the situation properly.

If THAT is your takeaway, you are either dumb, are cherry-picking my post just to be a troll or you are simply dishonest.

Pick one. None are flattering.

#28 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-01 11:24 PM | Reply

"I laid out all of the reasons why the school board and their allies are being faulted."

How does transgender fit into any of those reasons?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-01 11:38 PM | Reply

#29 Only to the extent that the school board was covering this up and lying about it and asking protesting parents to be treated as 'domestic terrorist' over their opposition to the trans policy the school is pushing along with the incorporation of tenets of CRT into K-12 education.

How long are you going to be this obtuse? This is becoming circular.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-01 11:41 PM | Reply

Oh, so now it's both transgender and CRT.

A straight white male raped a straight white female, and that's got you upset about transgender and CRT.
Let me run an idea past you: I'm not the one being obtuse.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-01 11:44 PM | Reply

Bugger off you dishonest troll. If that's all you've got I'm going to ignore you. I laid out all of the reasons why the school board and its allies are at fault and you haven't addressed any of it. You constantly move the goalposts and constantly ask unrelated questions.

#32 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-01 11:49 PM | Reply

"I laid out all of the reasons why the school board and its allies are at fault "

They're at fault for transgender and CRT, because of a rape... that was entirely unrelated to transgender and CRT.

You're just looking for an excuse to lash out. Why don't you realize that about yourself?

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-01 11:54 PM | Reply

"You constantly move the goalposts"

You moved them to transgender, and then -- out of nowhere -- you moved them to CRT.

Why not throw Columbus Day in there too?

Loudoun School Board Nixes Columbus Day
loudounnow.com

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-01 11:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"You constantly move the goalposts"

You moved them to transgender, and then -- out of nowhere -- you moved them to CRT.

Why not throw Columbus Day in there too?

And Hunter's laptop.

#35 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-11-02 07:11 AM | Reply

Bellringer, Snoofy's 100% correct on this one. "A straight white male raped a straight white female, and that's got you upset about transgender and CRT."

Transgender and CRT had nothing to do with what happened. At all.

#36 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-02 07:26 AM | Reply

Except for John Wayne, straight men don't wear dresses.

#37 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-11-02 08:47 AM | Reply

Marion Morrison was straight?!?

#38 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-11-02 09:06 AM | Reply

#37 - haha! That's hilarious. In fact men wearing women's clothes is prominent enough that they got upset when gay men claimed transvestism and coined their own term: cross-dressing.

#39 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-02 09:07 AM | Reply

Yav,

"Why? It's factual, acknowledged by the girl, and in the public record."

I read stuff from liberals today that would have been unheard of decades ago.

So what that it's public record?

The only reason to mention this is to discredit her.

I can't believe I'm saying to a liberal, "women can change their mind".

What is wrong with you?

#40 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-02 07:14 PM | Reply

Looks like Va where Biden won by 10 points, running for Gov the Republican is ahead by 10 points with 61% of precincts reporting.

He dragged in Obama and Biden in Va. Didn't help.

The democrat at the gov debate said parents shouldn't be telling schools what to teach.

Parents should stay out of the schools.

Implied...the government should be deciding what to teach children.

That went over like a lead balloon in Va.

#41 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-02 08:59 PM | Reply

What is wrong with you?

What's wrong with you, Bill?

Also all the context is missing in what the discussion was (in #41). McAuliffe let himself get hanged by his own comment, though. He should know context would be stripped. Just like the nonsense belief that CRT is being taught in VA schools. It isn't.

But Republicans do this part really well. They lie and whip up people's emotions, and create an issue where there factually isn''t one.

Just like this story about what happened in the bathroom and why.

And here you are, BJ, doing your best to propagate the lie.

#42 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-03 08:36 AM | Reply

Transgender and CRT had nothing to do with what happened. At all.

#36 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2021-11-02 07:26 AM |

As it pertains to the actual incident - yes. Agreed.

That doesn't change or diminish any of my criticisms of the school board and its allies.

#43 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-03 09:02 AM | Reply

Transgender and CRT had nothing to do with what happened. At all.

#36 | POSTED BY YAV

Doesn't matter. The right's head has been so filled with lies and distortions they're political magpies mouthing words whether they're relevant or not.

Used to be communism and socialism were the primary comfort words. But now they've been instilled with CRT, transgender ect to cling to.

And so that's what you get-mish mashed arguments that read like Trump's stream of consciousness drivel.

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-03 09:25 AM | Reply

Interesting the same group of voters in va who elected a republican governor also elected a black republican woman for lieutenant governor.

So much for va just being racist and backward.

#45 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-03 10:00 AM | Reply

Jpw,

"Used to be communism and socialism were the primary comfort words. But now they've been instilled with CRT, transgender ect to cling to."

Wow...put like that we get a good picture who liberals are.

Oh..you forgot people entering the US illegally Liberals are protecting.

#46 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-03 10:06 AM | Reply

#45 - Who said VA was that? Strawman garbage.
#46 - WTF? That makes no sense as a response to JPW's comment.

#47 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-03 10:48 AM | Reply

"Oh..you forgot people entering the US illegally Liberals are protecting."

What protections are those?
I think you'll find it's The Constitution that protects them.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-03 10:57 AM | Reply

elected a black republican woman for lieutenant governor.
So much for va just being racist and backward.
#45 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Speaking of Virginia,
Thomas Jefferson couldn't have been racist, he took a black girl for his sex slave.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-03 10:59 AM | Reply

Snoofy,

He took her to Paris and she willingly returned with him.

She was more than a slave. She was also half-sister to his late wife.

Kind of stupid to call her a "sex slave".

#50 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-03 03:27 PM | Reply

She was literally a slave he raped on a regular basis.

You're a sick person, bill.

#51 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-11-03 03:28 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

I visited Monticello a couple of years ago and was appalled the way the tour guides spent so much of their time ridiculing Jefferson without talking about his contributions.

People like that are an insult to my intelligence and ability to separate his goods points from how things were at that time.

Yet one more thing liberals are doing making themselves look nutty and irrational to conservatives.

#52 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-03 03:38 PM | Reply

Alex,

I have no illusions things were great.

It was a bad time for blacks.

#53 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-03 03:41 PM | Reply

Alex,

At some point America will have to move forward and see the past for the good and the bad.

I don't know if her life was just like your typical slave.

Doesn't sound like it was.

#54 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-03 03:44 PM | Reply

I have spent a fair amount of time in Loudon as a young man. It is an idyllic mostly rural, mostly conservative community with a fair sprinkling of lefties thrown in. In short, it is exactly the type of place where the GOP can play the type of dishonest and divisive games that usually do not pan out for them in urban settings. I say, with a sense of irony, it is a wonderful, beautiful place except for most of the people.

#55 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-11-03 04:08 PM | Reply

Mod,

Loudon is not unique.

Sounds pretty typical of most of VA.

Look at all the blue counties. Forgetting the density of cities, conservative views are far more widespread than liberal across va. Just not as many people crammed into one place.

I do agree. People ruin nature.

#56 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-03 04:20 PM | Reply

I meant red...

#57 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-03 04:22 PM | Reply

" Forgetting the density of cities, conservative views are far more widespread than liberal across va."

Ooh, now do state tax revenue.

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-03 04:24 PM | Reply

"conservative views are far more widespread than liberal across va."

Maybe.

It was Virginia that was the loser in Loving v. Virginia, after all.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-03 04:45 PM | Reply

Alex,

My wife has a masters in history and is well read. Tremendously smart and does a lot of research.

I mentioned this to my wife and asked about Sally Hemings and Jefferson.

She said there are people who think like you but she left no diaries and there is a lack of primary documents other than letters written by one of their sons.

Reading his letters it doesn't sound like a woman who was treated badly even though she was a slave.

My wife also said her burial site is unknown but it is suspected her sons brought her back to Monticello and buried her there somewhere.

Why would they do that if it was someplace she hated?

The truth is no one knows for sure but it appears he was in love with her to the point she was able to negotiate terms before she returned from Paris.

All in all, looking at the big picture considering she was Jefferson's late wife's half-sister, and what little is documented, it doesn't look like she was treated like an ordinary slave.

#60 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-03 05:59 PM | Reply

Yav,

"Just like the nonsense belief that CRT is being taught in VA schools."

I have a grandchild in a VA public middle school.

He recently told me about an essay he had to write.

Yes...CRT is taught in public schools regardless what you want to believe.

btw...three of his classrooms have rainbow flags on the wall.

This is the same state where the democrat running for Gov said parents should stay out of schools and let the government decide what to teach.

He lost.

#61 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-03 06:19 PM | Reply

"Yes...CRT is taught in public schools regardless what you want to believe."

It sounds like you want us to believe he had to write an essay on CRT.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-03 06:30 PM | Reply

"The truth is no one knows for sure but it appears he was in love with her to the point she was able to negotiate terms before she returned from Paris."

Oh come on.
People live their pets too.

Him being in love with her is completely immaterial to the fact that he took a child to be his sex slave.

It's so normal to take a child for a sex slave, that we even have the word concubine for it. She was his. There's nothing else you need to know.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-03 06:36 PM | Reply

Alex,

Sally also had a brother named James owned by Jefferson who went to Paris with them and learned to become a chef.

When they all came back to America they went to Philadelphia where he cooked for presidents and other dignitaries.

The brother could have remained there and been free but chose to come back to Monticello.

Does that sound like tortured slaves?

#64 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-03 06:57 PM | Reply

Dan,

"Ooh, now do state tax revenue."

What a snob.

Tying political importance to money.

#65 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-03 07:27 PM | Reply

You can learn to be a chef, but you're forbidden to learn how to read.

Sally may have had fine threads.

Imagine her life, I'm sure she had lots of friends amongst her fellow slaves. The way we talk about each other here I wonder what she went through.

Right Gracie, fap fap fap.

#66 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-11-03 07:34 PM | Reply

Dan,

Would be interesting to see where the most taxpayer funded money is spent by the government.

#67 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-03 07:35 PM | Reply

Bruce,

"The way we talk about each other here I wonder what she went through."

I would venture to guess she had more class than most people here.

#68 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-03 07:40 PM | Reply

Does that sound like tortured slaves?
#64 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Sounds to me someone has watched Song of the South one too many times.

#69 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-11-03 07:54 PM | Reply

She may have had more class but she was probably lonely and shunned.

Like the Korean comfort girls.

#70 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-11-03 08:00 PM | Reply

"What a snob. Tying political importance to money."

Are you joking? You just tied it to land. What a racist.

#71 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-03 10:26 PM | Reply

He recently told me about an essay he had to write.
What was the assignment, EXACTLY. Not what he told you. What was the assignment? Your anecdote is worthless.

Yes...CRT is taught in public schools regardless what you want to believe.
You can't even articulate what CRT is.

#72 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-04 08:07 AM | Reply

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