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Thursday, November 11, 2021

"Pence, his aides, and staff were locked out of their offices in the capitol complex during the insurrection because their access badges had been DEACTIVATED the morning of the attack, according to sources familiar with the incident.

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So riddle me this, Batman: Who has access to turn off VP and Staff security fobs, which could have been used by Pence and Staff to seek refuge, in all the Secure locations within which, VP Pence and his loyal staff could have escaped?

Do you suppose Secret Service were informed?

Was it intended that Pence have no where to run, nowhere to hide?

Whose intentions would that have greased the skids for?

My guess would be, the plan after the Rabble killed Pence, was for "VP to be" John McEntee to Step in.

#1 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2021-11-11 09:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Rarely do we find true smoking guns. This is one, and Trump is holding it,

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2021-11-11 09:23 AM | Reply

"Pence's team huddled in a loading dock, unable to access their offices, and started planning contingencies for a constitutional crisis and how to remove the president"

POSTED BY OLDWHISKEYSOUR

Mike Pence is the sort of person who will do a brave thing only if it's his ass now.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2021-11-11 09:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

WTF?????

Okay this really does sound like Trump set the stage for the death of Mike Pence.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-11 12:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Pence would be sacrificed so Donnie Fail could impose martial law.

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-11-11 12:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If it's true that Pence and his security detail found that their access badges had been deactivated at approximately the same time that the insurrection started it is more than reasonable to assume that it was done intentionally by somebody who was either aware of violence was taking place or knew it was going to either way their goal was to have Pence killed and there is nobody outside of the white house that has the clearance or authority to deactivate such devices.

And there's only one person who would benefit from Pence dying that day.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-11 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Who has access to turn off VP and Staff security fobs, which could have been used by Pence and Staff to seek refuge, in all the Secure locations within which, VP Pence and his loyal staff could have escaped?

Whether this was a sinister move, or SOP, will depend on the emergency action plan. There are cases of secure facilities where it would make sense to deactivate badges if the VIP is known/supposed to be in one location at a certain time when the EAP is activated. This prevents the outside threat from being able to access the secured room/area if they happened to mug a staff member for their credentials.

#7 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-11-11 03:20 PM | Reply

"Whether this was a sinister move, or SOP, will depend on the emergency action plan"

There's a much simpler explanation.
One someone as versed in security as yourself sure seems to be deliberately omitting...

An insider was part of the insurrection.
The insider deliberately deactivated Pence's access.
So that Pence could be delivered to the gallows waiting for him outside.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-11 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Who has access to turn off VP and Staff security fobs...?

Likely the same people who removed the panic buttons and communications devices from select Congresspeoples' offices.

#9 | Posted by chuffy at 2021-11-11 03:38 PM | Reply

They didn't have Doors set so that Pence's Security teams badges work at prearranged times and no others.

He was a vice president that means that Pence and his security team are supposed to be able to have a readily available Escape Plan anytime he sets foot in a building which in turn necessitates those badges working at all times.

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-11 03:42 PM | Reply

I don't see the point of this. Have you seen Pence? They could have just announced he was dead and carried him away. The only way to know for sure is check if there's more than just one fly on him.

#11 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2021-11-11 03:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Pence is the only one who would know the truth.

#12 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-11-11 03:52 PM | Reply

#12 You sure about that? He always looked like a cardboard cut-out in the background.

#13 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2021-11-11 05:17 PM | Reply

Pence is lucky to be alive, yet continues his unfounded loyalty to a guy so contrary to Whitey's moral guidance, sense of civility and political values. His fate was uncertain on 1/6. The gibbet awaited him and it's appearance on the Capitol Mall may have been more than a prop or sight gag. Clearly he was at risk, and a lot of people knew that someone was coming for me. Shutting off access like this is not a one man thing, especially when the person being locked out is, on paper, the second most important person in the US Government.

Were his Secret Service detail loyal to him and this country, they were probably close to shooting a lot of folk that afternoon. It's surprising how heavily armed the SS guys and gals are, and if threatened they would have showed the world...

#14 | Posted by catdog at 2021-11-11 06:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pence said recently that it would not be smart to oppose Trump candidates in Iowa.

But he apparently missed the smart bus a long time ago.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-11 06:11 PM | Reply

Pence made a deal with the snake, and the snake ate him.

Pence knew he was a snake when he picked him up. Now, Pence is anathema to the Trumpublican base: he'll always be seen as one of the villains of 1/6.

So the Loser's loser is a loser. Bigly.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-11 06:17 PM | Reply

Anyone here stupid enough to think the Secret Services fob keys sometimes don't work right?

#17 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-11 08:27 PM | Reply

The Sergeant at Arms controls the access badges throughout Capitol Hill. The Speaker of the House controls the Sergeant at Arms so Nancy Pelosi may have so,e splainin to do.

#18 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-11-12 01:41 AM | Reply

#18 - Thanks for he laugh this morning, I had no idea you were a comedian. You should know that when you investigate a crime one of the most important things is to establish motive. The only person with a motive for Pence to die on 1/6 was Dotard. The finger is pointing at him and whoever carried out that order. Just like who in the military denied multiple times the deployment of the DC National Guard, and who gave that order.

#19 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-11-12 11:33 AM | Reply

Oh, and based on the reporting, Pence and his people also suspected that it was Combover Quisling who had the fobs deactivated to create a constitutional crisis, as they discussed how to remove him from office.

#20 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-11-12 11:37 AM | Reply

That's --------- Miranda. The sergeant-at-arms is a hall monitor with a whistle compared to the Secret Service who has the legal authority to kill everyone they lay eyes on if they feel it's necessary to protect the president or vice president.

#21 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-12 02:02 PM | Reply

Im the only person on this board who actually worked in the US Capitol, I know exactly how the access badge system works. If Capitol access cards were deactivated, that was done within the office of the Sergeant at Arms. That's not within the purview of the Secret Service. At all. There are three branches of government. The President cannot give orders to The Sergeant at Arms. Now go back to your Tom Clancy novels.

#22 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-11-12 03:04 PM | Reply

You're a libertarian you don't have a job you have an appointment with your parole officer and a credible fear that theyre going to find out you're cheating on your taxes.

#23 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-12 04:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#22 - Nice try, but we find feril Trumpers seeded all over DC. The question is, who would have access to remove communications devices and panic buttons from Dem Representative's offices? The Sgt. at Arms and some of his staff. The Sgt. at Arms got himself fired over 1/6, so maybe the fix was in all the way from the top? Just because he answers to Nancy Pelosi doesn't mean he's not a MAGAt away from work. But it will be pretty easy to see whose account was used to deactivate the fobs

#24 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-11-12 06:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If Capitol access cards were deactivated, that was done within the office of the Sergeant at Arms. That's not within the purview of the Secret Service. At all."

Is it within the purview of a coup attempt?

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-12 06:23 PM | Reply

Im the only person on this board who actually worked in the US Capitol, I know exactly how the access badge system works. If Capitol access cards were deactivated, that was done within the office of the Sergeant at Arms. That's not within the purview of the Secret Service. At all. There are three branches of government. The President cannot give orders to The Sergeant at Arms. Now go back to your Tom Clancy novels.

#22 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-11-12 03:04 PM | Reply

Does the Sergeant at Arms also control access to the VP Office Complex and the White House? From the article: "Access had been shut off to the VP Office Complex and the White House as well during the same time frame."

Maybe it works differently in DC, but wouldn't the Executive Branch have control over what Executive Branch badges were valid? Would they not be able to shut off all access for Executive Branch employees if they, say, fired them? Just how manual is this process?

Wouldn't they be able to say: "Shut off access for the following badge numbers: xx-yy, as they are no longer active" or something similar, even if they didn't have the ability to shut them all off themselves? Maybe the Sergeant at Arms would have been involved in that, or maybe it was a routine request that wouldn't have been questioned. What level of person within the office would have been required to physically go into the system and deactivate badges? How much pushback would someone in the Executive Branch receive telling the office of the Sergeant of Arms that certain badges should not have access to VP-related areas within the Capitol during a certain time frame?

#26 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2021-11-13 08:05 AM | Reply

that was done within the office of the Sergeant at Arms. That's not within the purview of the Secret Service. At all.

The SaA was Michael Stenger, a Republican. He resigned Jan.7th. Before he was given the keys to the kingdom he worked 35 years with...........wait for it........the Secret Service.

#27 | Posted by BluSky at 2021-11-13 08:52 AM | Reply

Miranda7, do you think there was a coup attempt yet?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-13 10:27 AM | Reply

There are three branches of government. The President cannot give orders to The Sergeant at Arms.

If they are ideologically aligned, there doesn't need to be an "order."

#29 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-13 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The President cannot give orders to The Sergeant at Arms.

If they are ideologically aligned, there doesn't need to be an "order."

#29 | POSTED BY JOE

True.

And WOW ... if this story is true (I will need verification) this is a BFD. And there is still a lot more to learn ... it should be relatively easy to find out if he was ordered to deactivate them and follow that order up the chain of command. At a minimum then the Sergeant at Arms has some splaining to do.

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-11-13 11:21 AM | Reply

I think the most likely scenario is that the VP access badge deactivations were part of a larger scale general lockdown due to the violence at the Capitol. I have NOT heard anybody say, "But my badge was working just fine" . For the most part staff was evacuating, escorted by Capitol Police. I don't imagine very many staffers were trying to get INTO the building. I may be reading the article wrong, but Pence was one of the first to be evacuated, then he and his staff tried to get back INTO the Capitol complex. (The VP has an office in the Capitol). This is where they had problems with badges.

If there was a deliberate attempt to keep Pence out of the Capitol, I would look to Pelosi, because her motive would be to keep him out of chambers to prevent him from taking action to decertify the count. The idea that the President had him locked out to trap him in a loading dock to have him killed is just absurd.

#31 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-11-13 03:15 PM | Reply

I would look to Pelosi, because her motive would be to keep him out of chambers to prevent him from taking action to decertify the count.

#31 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Did Pence have the power to do so? Your opinion?

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2021-11-13 03:50 PM | Reply

The idea that the President had him locked out to trap him in a loading dock to have him killed is just absurd.

#31 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Trump is a stone-cold sociopath. There's nothing at all absurd about it. Pence's life mattered as much to Trump as a gnat's at best of times.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2021-11-13 03:51 PM | Reply

#26 I've seen conflicting info in some of these articles. The whole "stuck in the loading dock" part sounds nonsensical, I can't imagine where there would be a loading dock with unmanned keycard access to the building. This isn't like a corporate office building where you pass throughout the unattended doors of the building with your keycard. Virtually every door is manned by a Capitol Police Officer. There are elevator operators pushing the buttons for Members of Congress.

I'm not sure what they were referring to as the VP Office Complex, but The VP does have office space in both the Capitol and also in other buildings within the Capitol Complex. Yes, the Sgt at Arms would control access badges for those areas.

Certainly things may have changed since I was there, but change is slow and it literally takes an act of Congress to change administrative rules. Remember, there is complete separation of powers, and nobody gives up power. The branches of government are not like branches of a corporation under a common umbrella. The Executive branch does not supersede the Legislative Branch. There are actually TWO Sgt at Arms, one for the house and one for the Senate, it my recollection is that the ID's were managed by the Sgt at Arms of the House.

So no, the Executive branch would not be able to deactivate badges in the Capitol. If the White House fired someone with. Capitol access they would notify the sergeant at Arms and his staff would do it. It's a relatively small staff and they report directly to the Sgt. at Arms. Members of Congress also try to boss them around directly.

The Sgt at Arms would have no control over anything at the White House. Considering the circumstances, it is likely had their own lockdown. DC has layers and layers of emergency operations and contingency planning. By the time the Capitol was breached probably most of the city was on lock down of some sort.

#34 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-11-13 04:09 PM | Reply

Zed, no, I don't think he had the power to do so. I'm no legal scholar, but The "Eastman memo" seemed more like a movie script than a realistic plan. Did Trump think he could pull it off? Probably. Is he a sociopath? Absolutely. But he was counting on Pence to get this done, killing him would have made no sense.

#35 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-11-13 04:15 PM | Reply

And to be honest, my suggestion that Nancy Pelosi would deactivate Pence's card to keep him out of the Capitol is a little silly as well. Pence doesn't need a keycard to get around the Capitol. Pretty much everybody knows who he is. Might she block staffers just to create a little chaos and make it harder for them to get around , use the copy machines, restrooms, etc? Sure.

#36 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-11-13 04:19 PM | Reply

"I'm no legal scholar, but The "Eastman memo" seemed more like a movie script than a realistic plan."

What's unrealistic about it?

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-13 06:31 PM | Reply

"But he was counting on Pence to get this done, killing him would have made no sense."

Try again: Treatening Pence's life would encourage Pence to get this done.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-13 06:35 PM | Reply

Killing Pence would have allowed Trump to declare himself acting VP and given him "justification" to declare martial law after he declared the election invalid.

Trump had lots of motives.

#39 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-13 06:40 PM | Reply

"I can't imagine where there would be a loading dock with unmanned keycard access to the building."

Why can't you imagine that?

What you just described is a normal loading dock.

And even if it were usually staffed, that officer was likely out front feeding off an insurrection.

You're firmly in the "Denial" stage, in my opinion.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-13 06:40 PM | Reply

"Threatening Pence's life would encourage Pence to get this done."

Trump was convinced either Pence would try to throw the election to the HoR...or he'd be slaughtered by the mob, allowing Trump to invoke martial law.

Win-Win, from Trump's POV.

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-13 06:42 PM | Reply

Miranda7, do you think there was a coup attempt?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-13 06:54 PM | Reply

#39 where the hell did you come up ewiththis? there's no such thing as "acting VP" and regardless, the VP doesn't certify the election, the President of the Senate certifies the election. Usually they are the same person, but not always. The death of the VP would be one of those times. They are two separate positions in two different branches of government with two different succession plans.

#43 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-11-14 08:50 AM | Reply

Snoofy, I unplonked you for your entertainment value. I stopped wasting my time answering your pointless questions a long time ago. I do find it amusing that you expect that the Capitol would have a "normal loading dock" with unmanned keycard access. Obviously you have never been there. There is nothing normal about the Capitol.

#44 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-11-14 09:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#39, #43 continuing,
If VP dies, the position of VP (which is part of the Executive Branch)remains vacant until the president appoints a new VP and Congress (both houses) confirms him/her. We all know that wasn't going to happen in January. The count would have gone on, however, because that is the job of the President of the Senate (which is part of the Legislative Branch) and that position is never vacant.

Any time the VP is unavailable to perform duties of the President of the Senate,the President Pro Tempore fills in. The President Pro Tempore is chosen by vote of the Senate, and remains in office through the Congressional term or until replaced by Senate vote. Chuck Grassley was the PPT in 2020, Patrick Leahy became the PPT in 2021. Normally the new PPT would be installed on January 3 when the new Congress takes office, but in this case Grassley remained PPT until Georgia runoffs were completed and those new Senators were sworn in. providing a Dem majority.

Personally, my viewpoint (and that of nearly every competent expert)is that the President of the Senate does NOT have the power to decertify the elections results. His role is ceremonial, to simply preside over the hearings. Any disputes are argued/debated in Congress. HOWEVER, if you do believe he held that power, upon Pence's death, that power passed to Grassley, then to Leahy as soon as the Georgia senators were sworn in giving the Dem majority. Not Trump as "acting VP", because there is no such thing.

#45 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-11-14 11:24 AM | Reply

"Personally, my viewpoint (and that of nearly every competent expert)is that the President of the Senate does NOT have the power to decertify the elections results."

That's literally the point of certifying the election. The power to certify includes the power to not certify. See Also: Not giving Merrick Garland a hearing -- or are you now going to tell us that was illegal too?

You don't understand why that doesn't matter, do you?

The use of that power would be up to the Supreme Court to decide. By then the damage would be done -- and that's assuming a Republican majority Supreme Court would see it your way.

Now to the loading dock:

Since you insist on making an argument from authority, and you know so much about The Capitol, how many Capitol Police do they have at the loading dock at any time? And if insurgents are storming The Capitol from multiple unsecured entry points, are those officers required to stay at their post like TK-421, or could they be called on to reinforce the troops pushing back the insurrectionists?

You're the expert, you tell us. And especially tell us if you don't know, and then withdraw your claim that it's impossible there were no officers at the loading dock.

Thanks.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-14 11:35 AM | Reply

That's what I mean by pointless questions. There is no loading dock at the Capitol building.

#47 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-11-14 02:54 PM | Reply

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