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Tuesday, November 16, 2021

Kyle Rittenhouse now only faces five criminal charges in relation to the Aug. 2020 shooting that killed two people and injured a third.

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Bulls**t,the verdict is not in yet. If you jumped the gun, the headline is sure gonna look stupid lol.

#1 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-11-15 09:42 PM | Reply

1.) Kyle DID NOT illegally possess the gun 2.) Kyle DID NOT illegally cross state lines with the gun

Of course he did. You are an idiot.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-11-15 09:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

What's Vegas got on this? It's gotta be like 6:1 in favor of acquittal.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-15 09:45 PM | Reply

"1.) Kyle DID NOT illegally possess the gun 2.) Kyle DID NOT illegally cross state lines with the gun
Of course he did. You are an idiot.
#2 | POSTED BY REDIAL"

You are a perfect exhibit of the low IQ, low information base of the Democrat party. The judge has ruled on the statute - Kyle was over the age of 16 and had a 'long barrel gun' so he is in compliance with the law on point 1. On point 2, the gun NEVER CROSSED STATE LINES - seems you are still a victim of the MSM lying to you on that point. Just another example of the MSM lying straight to your dumb Democrat face because they know you won't do anything about it.

#4 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-11-15 09:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

... In the first case, it the MSM's inability read a statute that resulted in the error. Was it purposeful? ...

Given that the Judge on the case initially did not toss the charge based upon that law, I'd say it may not be as clear cut as your comment suggests.

Indeed, even when the Judge did finally toss the charge, the Judge mentioned some ambiguity involved, but finally seemed to settle on the argument that the law preventing sawed-off shotguns by minors implicitly allows long guns to be carried by minors.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-11-15 10:22 PM | Reply

I'm skeptical that the op can tie his own shoes. Although he does seem to be able to type while wearing that tight white jacket, so that's impassive, I guess.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-15 10:30 PM | Reply

"I'm skeptical that the op can tie his own shoes.
#6 | POSTED BY CORKY"

As I know that you have been forced to substitute velcro for laces, I can understand why you would be skeptical of the ability of others to perform normal tasks. But, this is not your fault - I blame your mother's excessive drinking during pregnancy for your current condition. Perhaps with some dedicated training, you too will be able to tie your own shoes.

#7 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-11-15 10:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Totally dumbass headline posted by a needy attention-craver. Quelle sooprise!

#8 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-11-16 06:46 AM | Reply

Should have been a slam dunk.

Another reason why the parties are NOT the same.

The law was weak and poorly written. Obviously.

So Republicans will probably immediately set about weakening the law further while democrats will dither about do nothing and be convinced "it's too soon" or something or anything about the weakness of the law.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-11-16 09:46 AM | Reply

@#9 ... The law was weak and poorly written. Obviously. ...

I might proffer the opinion that what you note was intentional by the writers of the law. They got to tout that they enacted a law that keeps guns out of the hands of minors, but left so many loopholes in the law that it effectively did nothing.

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-11-16 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Should have been a slam dunk.

#9 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2021-11-16 09:46 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

It is a slam dunk, for the defense. This case was so weak the DA is alleged to have pawned it off on this assistant so the loss wouldn't damage his career.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-11-16 10:33 AM | Reply

That was only law I thought he had actually broken. Now all that's left are the trumped charges.

#12 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-11-16 10:40 AM | Reply

I wasn't even aware that Rittenhouse was charged with first degree murder less than 4 hours after the shooting.
The investigation had barely started; some evidence had been gathered but certainly not examined. No witnesses had been interviewed other than Kyle's voluntary statements given after turning himself in...this kid was being railroaded from the start.

#13 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-11-16 11:00 AM | Reply

I'm headed to Kenosha to help keep the piece should Rittenhouse be acquitted.

#14 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-11-16 11:57 AM | Reply

This case was so weak the DA is alleged to have pawned it off on this assistant so the loss wouldn't damage his career.
#11 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

A far more reasonable take would be that any outcome here will result in considerable unrest, anger, and abuse inflicted upon his office. Any elected DA would be committing career suicide to try this case themselves.

#15 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-16 12:08 PM | Reply

Maybe, but it's also reasonable that if it's an easy win you can ride it to a permanent political career. This one was never going to be easy and the only expectation they really had going in was to get him on the firearm charge. Even that has fallen apart.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-11-16 12:25 PM | Reply

it's also reasonable that if it's an easy win you can ride it to a permanent political career

No. If the DA "wins," Trumpers nationwide will be calling for his scalp. No sensible DA would want anything to do with this case, win or lose, especially in a polarized place like Kenosha County.

#17 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-16 01:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Kyle DID NOT illegally cross state lines with the gun

The same people who believe this are the same people demanding machine gun turrets be placed along our southern border to shoot anyone who comes near.

The hypocrisy of Trumpers is unfathomable.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-16 01:35 PM | Reply

@#13 ... .this kid was being railroaded from the start. ...

Railroaded? Or an intentionally sloppy "investigation" and arraignment to assure a certain outcome?


#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-11-16 02:24 PM | Reply

I wasn't even aware that Rittenhouse was charged with first degree murder less than 4 hours after the shooting.

He killed two people and shot a third.

What did you think they should do?

Buy him some Burger King and pose in pictures with him?

Couple high fives?

When you are at someone you need to charge them with something.

It's become obvious you're an idiot.

The only people defending Kyle Rittenhouse are doing so due to political tribalism.

It's so clear cut it's beyond absurd.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-16 02:36 PM | Reply

Imagine this.

Imagine that KR was a left-leaning activist being chased by violent Proud Boys, one of whom would later turn out to be a child molestor and another was illegal carrying a weapon which he pointed at the defendant.

Would that change anyone's opinion on KR?

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-16 02:37 PM | Reply

When you are at someone..

When you arrest someone ...

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-16 02:38 PM | Reply

"No. If the DA "wins," Trumpers nationwide will be calling for his scalp."

And if the DA loses, the left will be calling for his scalp.

The difference is that if the DA wins, I don't think any cities will burn. No ATMs smashed. No police attacked.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-16 02:39 PM | Reply

"The only people defending Kyle Rittenhouse are doing so due to political tribalism."

Would you be defending him if he were a left-wing activist who shot right-wing attackers?

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-16 02:40 PM | Reply

Tribalism, especially on a political site such as this one, is to be expected. It does lead to certain people making really bizarre arguments though.

#25 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-11-16 02:42 PM | Reply

And if the DA loses, the left will be calling for his scalp.

Which is precisely why it's nonsensical for someone to claim the DA only didnt want the case because it's a loser. It's more reasonable to presume he didn't try it himself because half the population will be upset with him regardless of the outcome.

Try reading what i responded to before reflexively barfing out your typical off topic nonsense.

#26 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-16 02:44 PM | Reply

#20 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-11-16 02:36 PM | REPLY

Charged with first degree murder less than 4 hours after the shootings in such a chaotic situation where you have very little information....yeah that's being railroaded.

It's been over 10 days since 10 people were killed at the Astro world festival....who's been charged??

#27 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-11-16 06:55 PM | Reply

Did any anyone show up at astroworld after being recorded saying they can't wait to table someone to death like that piece of crap white supremacist Rittenhouse saying he wanted to shoot protestors with his AR? Any of them on camera with known racists flashing racist hand signs after being arrested?

No to both?

Okay.

Then perhaps You should take your equivalency and shove it somewhere.

Rittenhouse deserves a great deal of time in jail. I personally don't think murder 1 is appropriate for a 17 year old. But he certainly deserves manslaughter all day every day.

#28 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-16 07:11 PM | Reply

Can't wait to shoot a protestor to death ... .

Stupid auto correct

#29 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-16 07:12 PM | Reply

Dammit I'm really struggling. Did anyone show up at astroworld after stating they can't wait to trample someone to death.

#30 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-16 07:13 PM | Reply

"Kyle DID NOT illegally cross state lines with the gun
The same people who believe this are the same people demanding machine gun turrets be placed along our southern border to shoot anyone who comes near.
#18 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

Sorry, I need to single out this statement for its sheer stupidity.

It is an undeniable FACT that the gun never crossed state lines - EVER. Legally or Illegally does not come into play here because THE GUN NEVER CROSSED STATE LINES.

Now, I am not surprised that you have no clue about this fact as the MSM falsely reported this over and over again - and they do it because they know their viewers are stupid and will never look for the actual truth - and in the off chance their low IQ viewers are exposed to the truth, they know you will DO NOTHING about it. The have lied straight to your dumb Democrat faces for years - almost daring you to call BS. But you don't and you won't now.

So, Clown - it is 100% proven that the gun never crossed state lines - are you going to retract your statement and admit you were lied to by the MSM now? We all know the answer already, sadly.

#31 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-11-16 07:44 PM | Reply

Charged with first degree murder less than 4 hours after the shootings

What came out afterwards was that he traveled with a rifle to the riot to hunt rioters.

Which you still defend.

You're literally defending people being able to show up to protests and riots and open fire on "scary people".

No wonder in Islamic counties you see idiots rolling around in pickup trucks armed to the teeth.

Because conservative morons like you think it's a good way to maintain the peace.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-16 07:55 PM | Reply

THE GUN NEVER CROSSED STATE LINES.

And that's why the shooter had to cross state lines to obtain the gun.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-16 08:07 PM | Reply

ABH it's not every day we see eye to eye so I'm glad we have the same view on this very important situation.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-16 08:45 PM | Reply

#30 | POSTED BY ABH AT 2021-11-16 07:13 PM | REPLY

So you're just making up the whole narrative in your head. Had you watched the trial you would understand how dumb you sound

And here is the charge Rittenhouse ended up facing because the DA knew murder one was just some made up Bull.

940.02 First-degree reckless homicide.
940.02(1)

(1) Whoever recklessly causes the death of another human being under circumstances which show utter disregard for human life is guilty of a Class B felony.

The situation at Astroworld was developing over a matter of hours and those in charge of crowd control did nothing. There's plenty of video showing how desperate the situation was becoming and even when people were being crushed to death they continued the show!!!

Go back and read that definition of reckless homicide again.

#35 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-11-16 08:59 PM | Reply

"What came out afterwards was that he traveled with a rifle to the riot to hunt rioters.
#32 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

Across state lines breaking the law as you contended above or this is just your pathetic attempt to move the goalposts?

You know, you should not be angry with me. It was the MSM that lied right to your dumb Democrat face - they are still daring you to do something about it...but you won't.

#36 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-11-16 09:42 PM | Reply

Wisconsin self defense law fairly explicitly states you can't provoke an attack and then use the statute to shield yourself. This little Hitler idolater grabbed a gun, went to a place where violence was already happening going to get good gun off. That is text book provocation. In the world of choices, he should have chosen to stay home and let people that believe differently protest how they like, and let professionals worry about when they cross the line. His excuse of being there to provide medical aid is laughable on its face. He has as much medical training as my 6th grader does after attending career day abs listening to a nurse.

This piece of trash is no Hero. He went looking for trouble, found it, and then the crushing weight reality set in after he murdered 2.

Eff that kid

#37 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-16 10:45 PM | Reply

Oh and let's not forget, a couple of weeks before he murdered a few people, he is on tape saying he wishes he could murder a few people.

#38 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-16 10:53 PM | Reply

#34 is true we don't. I'ma moderate. That doesn't mean I am in the center of every issue. Far from it. It means I evaluate every thing on its own Marie's abs form my opinion on facts. Not narratives spun by either side. Sometimes I'm a liberal. Sometimes a conservative.

On this particular case? I'm glad we do. This kid is the WORST example of humanity.

#39 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-16 10:56 PM | Reply

...he is on tape saying he wishes he could murder a few people.

The judge missed that part while he was donating to #savekyle GoFundMe.

#40 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-11-16 10:59 PM | Reply

39 | POSTED BY ABH AT 2021-11-16 10:56 PM | REPLY | FLAG

You are so full of _ _it! There's nothing moderate about you, and you're just making up nonsense.

#41 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-11-16 11:07 PM | Reply

"The judge missed that part while he was donating to #savekyle GoFundMe.
#40 | POSTED BY REDIAL"

He is a Democrat appointee - not some Trump stooge as you are trying to paint him now. If anything, he has been too lenient with the State. He should have gone straight to directed verdict and kicked Kyle free by now so he can start the MSM and Joe Biden defamation cases.

#42 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-11-16 11:09 PM | Reply

"You are so full of _ _it! There's nothing moderate about you, and you're just making up nonsense.
#41 | POSTED BY SCOTTE"

It is not his fault - he is just so used to seeing the far, far, far lefties on this board that he thinks he is moderate. It is the lefty bubble phenomenon. That is why they are all shocked and amazed that we are not all broken up over a Democrat, mental patient, pedophile being culled - they think the Democrat, mental patient, pedophile is a 'normal' person within their circle of friends rather than an outlier.

#43 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-11-16 11:42 PM | Reply

There's nothing moderate about you,
#41 | POSTED BY SCOTTE

You consider yourself the arbiter of this?

I'd like to see your credentials.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-17 12:05 AM | Reply

"This piece of trash is no Hero. He went looking for trouble, found it, and then the crushing weight reality set in after he murdered 2. Eff that kid"

And what about the three who attacked him? They didn't go looking for trouble as well.

You may be right, but there are no innocent parties here.

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-17 12:43 AM | Reply

Most of the posters here seem to be trying to paint the three anarchists as martyrs.

#46 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-17 12:45 AM | Reply

"Most of the posters here seem to be trying to paint the three anarchists as martyrs.
#46 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER"

I think the equivalent would be the standard Squirts Danfroth, GED response of "you had no right to discover my wrongs' but with the update to 'you had no right to stop my rioting, looting, and destruction of your community'.

I would say that the US was founded on EXACTLY that concept - you have the absolutely right to defend yourself from a riotous mob. Instead, they think the Kyles of the world should have packed up and let their communities burn to the ground and focused on the rebuilding. It is exactly this mindset that has destroyed life in San Francisco and other blue cities that are infested with crime, drugs, homelessness, and misery. Kyle had the guts to say "Not my town" and the Democrat, mental patient, pedophiles would not accept that as an answer.

The leftists shouting for civil war should take this as a lesson. You are not going to win using violence so cut it out. If people reject your ideas and lifestyle, try to change their minds through dialogue, not through violence.

#47 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-11-17 01:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kyle had the guts to say "Not my town"

It certainly was not.

#48 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-11-17 01:45 AM | Reply

"I would say that the US was founded on EXACTLY that concept - you have the absolutely right to defend yourself from a riotous mob."

And, just like Kyle, be the instigator, but blame the victims.

"response of "you had no right to discover my wrongs'"

Always the whine of the caught.

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-17 01:50 AM | Reply

"It certainly was not.
#48 | POSTED BY REDIAL"

His father lives there. His grandparents live there. His job was there.

Yes, it was his community.

He should be given a key to the city and a medal.

#50 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-11-17 01:51 AM | Reply

"If people reject your ideas and lifestyle, try to change their minds through dialogue, not through violence."

Everything 1/6 to the contrary.

#51 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-17 01:51 AM | Reply

"And, just like Kyle, be the instigator, but blame the victims.
#49 | POSTED BY SQUIRTS DANFROTH, GED"

Squirts - Kyle instigated? He went out with a gun and a riot developed around him? Seems to me a riot was going on night after night burning down his community and that was the instigating event. I think you need to understand cause and effect. Sorry your Democrat, mental patient, pedophiles got culled but they aren't victims - they were aggressors cleansed from the gene pool and the world is a better place for it.

#52 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-11-17 01:54 AM | Reply

"Everything 1/6 to the contrary.
#51 | POSTED BY SQUIRTS DANFROTH, GED"

Gee Squirts, seems you have a double standard when it comes to Babbit - unarmed, 120lbs females gunned down while posing no threat to anyone. Are you calling for her murderer's head? Seems not. Why? If the Kenosha rioters have ever right to burn and destroy, why didn't the 1/6 rioters? Why the double standard?

#53 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-11-17 01:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Kyle instigated?"

Yes, Ima Schitturd. Kyle instigated. No one asked him to protect their business. No one asked him to cross state lines to get access to a gun. And his claim of being a "medic" falls apart after the fourth shot, when he wasn't concerned with getting help, or assisting the person "he had to shoot in self-defense".

"Sorry your Democrat..."

Not mine.

You can't seem to post without lying, can you?

#54 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-17 01:59 AM | Reply

"If the Kenosha rioters have ever right to burn and destroy"

They don't.

Neither did the 1/6 folks. I was merely pointing out your ridiculous "don't use violence" screed.

"Babbit - unarmed"

The officer had no way of knowing that. Regardless, Babbit repeatedly refused to follow the lawful order of Capitol authority. It's a STUPID comparison.

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-17 02:02 AM | Reply

"Babbit - unarmed, 120lbs females gunned down while posing no threat to anyone"

Another bald-faced lie.

#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-17 02:02 AM | Reply

"The officer had no way of knowing that. Regardless, Babbit repeatedly refused to follow the lawful order of Capitol authority. It's a STUPID comparison.
#55 | POSTED BY SQUIRTS DANFROTH, GED"

"Babbit repeatedly refused to follow the lawful order of Capitol authority" - so, the officer was justified in shooting her? Strange Squirts, given if the same standard was applied to the rapist dirtbag Blake, this entire situation could have been averted.

#57 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-11-17 04:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is this spastic the latest reincarnation of Sheepleschism, Ira, etc?

#58 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-17 06:38 AM | Reply

As usual, skeptical, your understanding of use of force is twisted abs well ... . Wrong. Because yes, he Was totally justified. The presence of a weapon is NOT required for an officer to use deadly force. The requirement is: a reasonable fear that his own life or those of others are in danger of death OR great bodily injury. Note, a weapon is NOT required. In this case Babbit WAS armed ... . She was carrying a chair leg she had taken from a Capitol chair the angry mob she was at the head of had destroyed. It's what she used to smash the window. The presence of an overwhelming number of individuals compared to the police, a history of them committing violence that day, the presence of his protectees directly behind him, and her complete disregard for lawful orders to stop, absolutely justifies his deadly force. The officers superiors, the AUSA, abs pretty much every sane person agrees with me. Which leaves you on the insane side.

#59 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-17 07:09 AM | Reply

#45 no one is saying the people he murdered are good. Of course they aren't. Was it a riot? Absolutely. We're they engaged in illegal activity? Sure.

But, Wisconsin law is very clear. You can't provoke an attack and claim self defense. This CHILD traveled there with the intent of murdering people and did. he paraded around in front of angry people with a gun expecting ... hoping for a response so he could use it. That's a provocation and mitigates his claim to self defense.

He had no business being there. The police are trained to handle the situation. A snot nosed Hitler loving white supremacist piece of garbage child isn't going to make the situation better. He's only going to make it worse ... .. which is what he wanted.

#60 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-17 07:15 AM | Reply

#60. Uh huh. My first impulse when I see someone carrying a rifle is that is someone I'm staying away from.

#61 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-17 08:21 AM | Reply

"He's only going to make it worse ...
#60 | POSTED BY ABH "

Made it much better in my opinion. Took out a Democrat, mental patient, pedophile, a violent felon, and took the arm off another criminal. He should have stacked them up like cord wood in the middle of the street and maybe the riots would have ended instantly.

#62 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-11-17 08:27 AM | Reply

Took out a Democrat

#62 | POSTED BY SKEPTICAL

As has been noted countless times, Trumpite fantasies always end in blood.

Don't you boys fantasize about sex every once in a while?

Wait a minute. You did mention "pedophile".

#63 | Posted by Zed at 2021-11-17 08:37 AM | Reply

My first impulse when I see someone carrying a rifle is that is someone I'm staying away from.

I agree. Which calls into question why it's "legal" for him or anyone to do that in the first place.

But at a tense event like this one, once Rittenhouse shot the first guy, it's quite possible the 2nd and 3rd thought they were trying to disarm a murderer.

#64 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-17 08:41 AM | Reply

#63 | POSTED BY ZED

1.) Democrat, mental patient, pedophile,
2.) Democrat violent felon, and
3.) took the arm off another Democrat criminal

Some people may ask why there were so many pedophiles and violent felons at the Kenosha Biden rally...but, that is the Dem base.

#65 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-11-17 08:43 AM | Reply

The hero worship of a white supremacist jerk is just weird.

#66 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-17 08:52 AM | Reply

"Babbit repeatedly refused to follow the lawful order of Capitol authority" - so, the officer was justified in shooting her?

Yes. A large mob had unlawfully entered a federal building with intent - it can be assumed by their language and actions - to do something very violent. When she disobeyed an order to stand back - an officer had little choice (or be consumed by the mob). After all it was his only job to protect the property and people inside it. That's why he was there. She sealed her own fate.

given if the same standard was applied to the rapist dirtbag Blake, this entire situation could have been averted.

This is true, however nuance and context is needed. Rittenhouse himself put himself into a dangerous situation by going there, and also unlawfully was possessing a gun. In that single instance of confrontation/self defense, your statement is true. But Rittenhouse was not there to protect the property and people of that town. That wasn't his job.

Nuance and context. It's important.

#67 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-11-17 09:25 AM | Reply

#66 There are more than a few Republicans who fantasize about shooting liberals. They admire Kyle because he was actually psychotic enough to get off his couch and do it.

#68 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-17 09:27 AM | Reply

#60. Uh huh. My first impulse when I see someone carrying a rifle is that is someone I'm staying away from.
#61 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

So the terrorism works on you.
Good to know.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-17 09:31 AM | Reply

I don't have a problem with people that just support the idea that Rittenhouse was "defending himself." I get that. I thinks it's misguided and wrong given Wisconsin law regarding provoking ... . But that'sa quibble order legal issues and a difference of opinion.

Where I am just flabbergasted is where people are making this idiot out to be some kind of Saint out doing the lords work cleaning up the streets. He is a piece of filth and totally unworthy of hero worship. It makes no sense.

#70 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-17 10:47 AM | Reply

#70 A crucial part of the narrative is that the police can no longer protect us from the vermin that the liberals allow to run free.

So we need Brownshirts.

I'm pretty sure you can see how that makes sense to them.

If not, just ask Sentinel and BellRinger about it.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-17 10:53 AM | Reply

I don't have a problem with people that just support the idea that Rittenhouse was "defending himself." I get that.

I don't.

If i go out of my way to knowingly and visibly enter a violent situation full of people who don't share my views, it'd take an awful lot of mental gymnastics for me to convince myself that i was merely acting in "self-defense" when some of that violence eventually made its way to me.

I realize that's likely not how our criminal laws function, which i find highly unfortunate, but it's borderline ridiculous to take that sort of position in a normal conversation.

#72 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-17 11:04 AM | Reply

I agree Joe. But most people ... . Aren't smart. They can't see post the event, And encapsulate the totality of the circumstance, or research and understand use of force and applicable law. I don't blame them for their stupidity, I pity them.

#73 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-17 11:32 AM | Reply

#71 "the police can no longer protect us from the vermin that the liberals allow to run free"

What? First, schroeder is a conservative. A stars and bars, good ol' boy, not a liberal.

Second, the police never protected us from right wing criminals. Most pigs are right wing criminals.

#74 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2021-11-17 12:19 PM | Reply

#72 | POSTED BY JOE

I don't get how it was self defense for KKKyle but not for the crowd of people he was attacking. Is the best self-defense a lethal offense?

#75 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2021-11-17 12:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#53:

"Babbit - unarmed, 120lbs females gunned down while" crawling through broken glass like a Bath Salt addict to murder congress-people alongside a heavily armed crowd of rabid maga terrorists.

Dusted by a hero.

#76 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2021-11-17 12:23 PM | Reply

"And, just like Kyle, be the instigator, but blame the victims."

I'm sorry...who are these victims?

The ones who were rioting? The ones who started the fire KR tried to put out? The ones who attacked KR?

#77 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-17 03:02 PM | Reply

"If i go out of my way to knowingly and visibly enter a violent situation full of people who don't share my views, it'd take an awful lot of mental gymnastics for me to convince myself that i was merely acting in "self-defense" when some of that violence eventually made its way to me."

You're already doing an awful lot of mental gymnastics. You're equating violence against property with violence against people here when you talk about the "situation" Kyle went into, but in any other context you deny there's any similarity at all.

#78 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-17 03:02 PM | Reply

"I think the equivalent would be the standard Squirts Danfroth, GED response of "you had no right to discover my wrongs' but with the update to 'you had no right to stop my rioting, looting, and destruction of your community'."

I think that's exactly it. The belief that the rioters were engaging in "good trouble," and any attempt to interfere with that good trouble is immediately in the wrong.

Notice how no one has answered the question about where they would stand had KR been an anarchist defending himself against attacking Proud Boys.

#79 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-17 03:04 PM | Reply

"Wisconsin self defense law fairly explicitly states you can't provoke an attack and then use the statute to shield yourself."

Here's the shocking proof that the accused "provoked" the attack on the day of the incident:

d.newsweek.com

#80 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-17 03:05 PM | Reply

"Strange Squirts, given if the same standard was applied to the rapist dirtbag Blake, this entire situation could have been averted."

Yeah. Strange how killing someone who is a repeat violent offender is an affront to the USan way of life, while killing an unarmed intruder is justice served.

And I'm not defending Ashli Babbit. She's no victim. But neither was Blake. Or Floyd. Or Michael Brown.

All were perfect examples of playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes.

#81 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-17 03:10 PM | Reply

#80

Wow! That means Hitler was an innocent because he helped an old lady across the strasse on day.

Brilliant.

#82 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-17 03:10 PM | Reply

"This CHILD traveled there with the intent of murdering people and did."

How do you figure? He was attacked before he fired off the first shot. Which suggests to me that the attack is what triggered the subsequent shootings. Do you have some other strain of logic that leads you to a different conclusion?

#83 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-17 03:13 PM | Reply

(2)Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:

(c) A person who provokes an attack, whether by lawful or unlawful conduct, with intent to use such an attack as an excuse to cause death or great bodily harm to his or her assailant is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense.

docs.legis.wisconsin.gov

In other words, the case could be made that the kid slipped away from his militia babysitter, found the hot-headed, loud-mouth troublemaker he'd spotted earlier, then baited him; provoked him by pointing the gun, into running towards the kid with his only weapon a thrown plastic bag.

It was overkill, as I've said all along, to shoot the guy 4 times. But hey, now the kid is as famous as he wanted to be. And still will be even if he goes to jail. So, Win-Win.

#84 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-17 03:14 PM | Reply

- He was attacked before he fired off the first shot.

He was followed, and then he provoked the attack, an unarmed attack, by pointing his weapon at the little guy, twice, before shooting him down and then finishing him off.

#85 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-17 03:16 PM | Reply

And still will be even if he goes to jail.

He won't. As I said, he'll be peddling Ivermectin and Borax to his 74,222,958 followers by the end of next week.

#86 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-11-17 03:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Do you have some other strain of logic that leads you to a different conclusion?"

They are using what's called #RetortLogic. :-)

#87 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-17 03:25 PM | Reply

"Wow! That means Hitler was an innocent because he helped an old lady across the strasse on day."

Godwin says hi.

#88 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-17 03:30 PM | Reply

The DR Incel brigade swooned after Killer Kyle punched a teen girl.

metro.co.uk

#89 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-11-17 03:36 PM | Reply

#88

You have whining down to a science... too bad it's not an argument to what was said.

#90 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-17 03:36 PM | Reply

#89

MB's and Sentinel's boy in action. They must be proud.

#91 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-17 03:39 PM | Reply

"In other words, the case could be made that the kid slipped away from his militia babysitter, found the hot-headed, loud-mouth troublemaker he'd spotted earlier, then baited him"

He did. By putting out the fire that he and his anarchist buddies had just started.

Is that bait?

If so, then it probably needs to made in clear in legal terms that non Law-Enforcement personnel are not permitted to engage in activities that may threaten the efforts of criminal actors, and if they do, and the criminal actors respond, the worldwide laws of self-defense are not applicable within the US.

I would normally not consider putting out a fire set by anarchists as being baiting. But, I guess something like this holding up would be amazazing for arsonists.

#92 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-17 03:42 PM | Reply

"MB's and Sentinel's boy in action. They must be proud."

He's a ------- idiot. But the people he killed...bigger idiots. 100% pure-----------.

Even idiots can serve the occasional purpose. Don't you agree?

Or is this where----------- joins the ranks of "marginalized communities?"

#93 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-17 03:46 PM | Reply

#92

Obfuscation from you? Who woulda thunk it?

"... then baited him; provoked him by pointing the gun, into running towards the kid with his only weapon a thrown plastic bag."

But then, bringing up some irrelevant fire does allow you not to address the point made; under Wisc law, pointing a gun at someone (twice in this case) is provocation, and self-defense cannot be claimed.

#94 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-17 03:48 PM | Reply

- Even idiots can serve the occasional purpose. Don't you agree?

With your love of vigilante street "justice"?

Hardly.

#95 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-17 03:50 PM | Reply

"But then, bringing up some irrelevant fire..."

Irrelevant?

Irrelevant to who?

#96 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-17 03:58 PM | Reply

"With your love of vigilante street "justice"?"

Had Gaige Grosskreutz smoked KR, or even injured him, would you be demanding he (GG) be prosecuted under the same circumstances?

Technically, GG had as much right to shoot KR as KR had to shoot him.

#97 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-17 04:01 PM | Reply

To anyone interested in justice... so, not you.

It had nothing to do with actual murder. One where your boy provoked some idiot into running towards him by pointing his gun at him twice.

Of course, we could go back in time as far as you want to find something that was more relevant in that, but it would just be you still obfuscating.

#98 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-17 04:02 PM | Reply

#97

Blaming the victims and making up fantasies is SO unexpected from a "smart" guy like you.... try addressing the facts and the law.

#99 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-17 04:04 PM | Reply

"Blaming the victims and making up fantasies is SO unexpected from a "smart" guy like you.... try addressing the facts and the law."

OK.

Jason Lackowski was a Marine veteran who also went to Kenosha that night. He was the one who picked up Grosskreutz's gun and realized there was a round in the chamber.

So I guess this is where you would call out this former Marine for being in the wrong in heading out to defend Kenosha.

It's also where you defend Grosskreutz's right to have a gun, even though legally he should have.

I'm starting to regard you as trash. Really old trash.

#100 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-17 04:15 PM | Reply

#100

Still obfuscating by blaming victims and setting up strawman analogies. Try focusing on the facts and the law, if that's possible while still spouting your prejudices.

I have to say, you've never gained any regard from me at all; you have the mind of someone who has been told what to do all of their adult life, and never had to think for themselves.

Which may be why focusing on something is so difficult for you... no one ordered you to do it.

#101 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-17 04:25 PM | Reply

These are the new brand of 'good old boy' GOP judges. Cherry picking the law and tossing out that which offends their rightwing morals/values.

#102 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-11-17 06:24 PM | Reply

Kenosha Biden rally...
#65 | POSTED BY SKEPTICAL

Kenosha Biden rally?

Hilarious how far Republicans need to twist reality.

These lies, do they help you feel better about defending a murderer?

I hope so. For your sake.

#103 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-17 06:41 PM | Reply

"Kenosha Biden rally?
#103 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

That is EXACTLY what Kenosha and the George Floyd nonsense was. The Dems knew that MN and WI were swing states and they wanted to get out the black vote. So, on the heels of the laughable Dem convention - they used their useful idiots in the WI governor and the MSM to lie about the facts surrounding Blake's shooting to stir up their low information, low IQ base - this served 2 purposes: 1.) got their idiotic base re-engaged, and 2.) tried to terrify the suburbs by showing that if you defy their mob rule, they will burn your town down and the police will do f'all to stop it.

This is why the BLM and Antifa nonsense stopped with the Biden election - because the riots were no longer needed as campaign rallies. The best proxy is how the 'anti-war' movement went completely silent under Obama despite him having the same exact policies as the war criminal W. Bush.

Sorry to hurt your feelings by exposing you to the truth. I have said repeatedly on here that the MSM lies directly to your dumb Democrat face because they know you will do NOTHING about it...so, why would they change their behavior? You were part of their 'dumb muscle' to terrify the suburbs. Good job being a domestic terrorist you -------.

#104 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-11-17 07:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I think that's exactly it. The belief that the rioters were engaging in "good trouble," and any attempt to interfere with that good trouble is immediately in the wrong.
#79 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER"

That is exactly it - because the ones with room temperature IQ (the right tail of the Dem party) realize that the riots were not 'riots' - they were Biden campaign events endorsed by the candidates (Kamala bailing out felons so they could commit more rapes, etc) and the MSM - Fredo Cuomo's quote on "no one ever said protests had to be peaceful". So, Kyle had no more right to shut down the destruction of the Kenosha "riot" than he would have in going to an official Biden speaking event and shutting that down. The Dems try to use mob rule to get their way in politics now because they realize they don't have the support of the actual people. So, roll out the unwashed violent masses to the courthouse to terrorize the judge and jurors - how many more mental patient, pedophiles do you think the Dems rounded up and funneled into Kenosha over the last week to rape, burn, and destroy the town to punish the people there for actually following the law should Kyle be found innocent? There really is no analogy for this behavior by the right - this is Leftist tactic going back to the Nazi and Stalinist roots.

#105 | Posted by Skeptical at 2021-11-17 08:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

That is some of the most ridiculous crap i have ever read on this website. And i remember buffalo bob.

#106 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-17 08:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Still obfuscating by blaming victims and setting up strawman analogies."

Again, who are the victims? I'm not tracking any victims in Kenosha. It seems they all went there to fight. And in every fight, there is a winner and a loser. But that doesn't change the fact that all parties involved in this fight chose to be there, probably for many of the same reasons.

#107 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-18 01:24 AM | Reply

#107

The victims are the dead and wounded. One might think an experienced killer such as yourself would know that.

#108 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-18 12:56 PM | Reply

"The victims are the dead and wounded. One might think an experienced killer such as yourself would know that."

Yeah.

How many tears do you cry for the National Socialist victims of US airpower during WWII.

#109 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-18 01:23 PM | Reply

#109

Do you get a commission of some sort every time you post an incredibly inane analogy?

- National Socialist

Same Big Lie, different day.

The two people your boy murdered were not Nazis, and neither were the Allies enemies in Germany... they were Fascists; Hitler having killed the few actual socialists in his Party years earlier.

Your continued myths on this subject are laughable.

"Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934. But to address this canard fully, one must begin with the birth of the party."

www.britannica.com

#110 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-18 01:53 PM | Reply

"The victims are the dead and wounded."

Had Rittenhouse been killed by Grosskreutz, would you now be calling him a victim?

#111 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-18 01:57 PM | Reply

Wow... you must be getting a really good commission for your fantasy "what ifs".

Perhaps if you stuck to the facts and the law you would not be so confused.

Well, that might be overly optimistic.

#112 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-18 02:03 PM | Reply

Just admit it. you consider them victims because you identify with them.

Had Rittenhouse been a left-winger who fought off riotous right-wingers, you'd be praising him as a hero, and the dead as deserving it.

#113 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 01:17 AM | Reply

Do you get a commission of some sort every time you post an incredibly inane analogy?

-National Socialist

Same Big Lie, different day.

I'm not following what you're saying. Do you or do you not consider the National Socialists to have been victims of the allied assault on them during WWII?

We can expand this question to include the entire German population if it makes it easier for you to answer. The National Socialists were singled out for special treatment by the allies post-war, but for the sake of academic argument let's assume they were not.

#114 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 01:22 AM | Reply

"Perhaps if you stuck to the facts and the law you would not be so confused."

Why is it so hard to answer the question.

I'll go first.

Yes, had Rittenhouse been a leftist who shot three attacking right-wingers, my position would still be that he was justified in defending himself.

But I'm not burdened by ideology in the same way you are.

#115 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 01:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

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