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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, November 19, 2021

Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted of all charges on Friday, after his trial for shooting three people, killing two of them in Kenosha last year.

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#1 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-19 01:07 PM | Reply

Judge says "No reaction to the verdict will be permitted. We have a lot of law enforcement here, and you will be whisked out if you react!"

#2 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-19 01:10 PM | Reply

Not guilty
Not guilty
Not guilty
Not guilty
Not guilty

All five counts.

#3 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-19 01:14 PM | Reply

Today will be a great day for white supremacy.

I have zero doubt the loaded jury will acquit on all charges.

What a sham.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I wonder if this son of a bitch will learn anything from this that will make him a better man?

#5 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-19 01:15 PM | Reply

Not guilty
All five counts.
#3 | POSTED BY YAV

Not surprised.

The judge and jury are Rottenhouse's biggest cheerleaders.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I doubt we'll be able to move on from this discussion for quite some time.

I'm not too surprised by the results. It doesn't even add much to my disappointment of the direction America is heading. Just confirms it, yet again.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

I wonder if this son of a bitch will learn anything from this that will make him a better man?
#5 | POSTED BY YAV

He's gonna learn he can get away with murder and he's now a celebrity amongst the GOP.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Next up is the Arbery verdict(s).
That one is a powder keg.

#9 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-19 01:18 PM | Reply

I figured. The law was written that it would lead to this verdict. Basically you can go looking for trouble. When it finds you it is legal to shoot that person.

#10 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-11-19 01:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This is what all the GOP and ALEC and the NRA have been wanting and working towards. Vigilantism.

#11 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-19 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Though many people may be angered by the verdict, hopefully nobody is too shocked by it. I do realize that I am jaded, but having seen that video of Rittenhouse being chased and falling to the ground over and over again, it is easy for me to understand how this verdict was reached.

#12 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-11-19 01:28 PM | Reply

Arbrey will be found guilty.

#13 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-19 01:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Rittenhouse will make a fine congressional aide to Matt Gaetz.

God have mercy on our nation.

#14 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-11-19 01:29 PM | Reply

Rittenhouse will kill again.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2021-11-19 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#15,

If someone is chasing him trying kill him,yes.

#16 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-19 01:32 PM | Reply

Don't bring a skateboard to a gun fight.

#17 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-19 01:33 PM | Reply

#15,
If someone is chasing him trying kill him,yes.

#16 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT

Hopefully the next time he tries to bait the lion, the lion bites his head off first.

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-11-19 01:35 PM | Reply

This verdict should make the National Conventions for both Parties a lot more dynamic. Especially with the protesters out front.

#19 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-11-19 01:37 PM | Reply

Rittenhouse will make a fine congressional aide to Matt Gaetz.
God have mercy on our nation.

#14 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT

Why? we don't deserve it.

#20 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-11-19 01:37 PM | Reply

Today is a bad day for those who support prosecutorial misconduct and overreach.

#21 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 01:39 PM | Reply

Justice was served.

#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-19 01:44 PM | Reply

Arbrey will be found guilty.

Arbrey is dead and isn't on trial.
Though you are right, the racists charged with his murder and the racist defense attorney are doing their best to put Arbery on trial.

#23 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-19 01:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How come white people never riot when their killers are acquitted? Is the same white priveledge that gives them obliviousness to systemic racism what makes them see the victims as individuals rather than the racial group they are part of? Weird.

#24 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-11-19 01:47 PM | Reply

#23 A guilty verdict will be the outcome of the Arbery case. Hurt look at the evidence.

#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-19 01:48 PM | Reply

If someone is chasing him (Rittenhouse) trying kill him,yes.

#16 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Someone will decide that the best way to handle someone walking the streets with an AR-15 is to shoot him anonymously from cover.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2021-11-19 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#24 - If you have a soul the answer is ridiculously obvious.

#27 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-19 01:57 PM | Reply

I don't think this is the last time we'll see Rittenhouse in a courtroom. I think the Proud Boys are going to snatch him up and use him like a rented mule.

He's much too young and way too full of testosterone at his age to use this experience to change his life. He needs intervention but I doubt he'll get it.

#28 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-11-19 02:03 PM | Reply

I hope Rittenhouse isn't assassinated by some angry member of the public. That would be awful.

#29 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-11-19 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#23,

Sorry, I meant the man on trial for that will be made guilty.

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-19 02:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Boaz,

"Arbrey will be found guilty."

I agree...that looked like a lynching.

#31 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-19 02:06 PM | Reply

Boaz,

I knew what you meant.

The "Arbrey case"

#32 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-19 02:07 PM | Reply

When Mr. Milquetoast went home to get his gun he should have stayed there and called the police.

#33 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-11-19 02:09 PM | Reply

What?
No dancing AR-15s?

#34 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2021-11-19 02:10 PM | Reply

It's "Arbery" not "Arbrey."
Arbery was the the one that was murdered.
He's not on trial.
The defendants are:

"Gregory McMichael, 65, worked in law enforcement for decades, including a long stint as an investigator for the district attorney's office in Brunswick. After spotting Arbery, McMichael later told police, he grabbed his .357 Magnum pistol and told his son, "Travis, the guy is running down the street. Let's go."

Travis McMichael, 35, shot and killed Arbery with a 12-gauge shotgun after chasing him in his Ford F-150 pickup. He is a former member of the Coast Guard.

William "Roddie" Bryan, 52, is the neighbor who jumped into his Chevrolet Silverado pickup to help chase Arbery. He used his cellphone to record video of the final moments of the confrontation."

They are charged with nine criminal counts including felony murder, aggravated assault and false imprisonment.
www.npr.org

#35 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-19 02:12 PM | Reply

Arbrey will be found guilty.
#13 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Oh Boaz.
Don't ever change.
Arbery already was found guilty, by the guy who killed him.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 02:16 PM | Reply

Boaz,
I knew what you meant.
The "Arbrey case"

#32 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

It is called a Freudian Slip.

#37 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-11-19 02:19 PM | Reply

Who is Rittenhouse going to be protecting next?

#38 | Posted by Jaspar at 2021-11-19 02:21 PM | Reply

Who is Rittenhouse going to be protecting next?

#38 | POSTED BY JASPAR AT 2021-11-19 02:21 PM | REPLY |

He will be protecting himself. Nothing has changed.

#39 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-19 02:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

He'll be carrying his AR-15 with him everywhere, and if anyone looks at him wrong, he'll kill 'em. Because he can.

#40 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-19 02:29 PM | Reply

Someone will decide that the best way to handle someone walking the streets with an AR-15 is to shoot him anonymously from cover.

#26 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2021-11-19 01:56 PM | REPLY

That's exactly I don't open carry. Some wackjob decides to go on a killing spree and open carriers are the first to go.

#41 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-19 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe someone will kill that piece of ---- soon.

How long will the people of this nation allow nazis to kill without recourse?

#42 | Posted by kudzu at 2021-11-19 02:29 PM | Reply

He will be protecting himself.

If that was his intention, he could have done so by staying at home.

Rittenhouse got what he wanted. He killed some people and is now a Republican hero.

He's your hero!

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe someone will kill that piece of ---- soon.

Vigilantism. Yeah, that's the answer.

Gotta love cafeteria Constitutionalists.

#44 | Posted by jakester at 2021-11-19 02:31 PM | Reply

Maybe someone will kill that piece of ---- soon.

God willing.

How long will the people of this nation allow nazis to kill without recourse?
#42 | POSTED BY KUDZU

Too late buddy.

The Nazis have taken over the Republican Party. They're here to stay.

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 02:32 PM | Reply

A vote for vigilante street "justice" in Trumpish Kenosha... big surprise.

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 02:33 PM | Reply

Killer Kyle should've been gunned down immediately after he sucker-punched a 100 lb girl.

metro.co.uk

#47 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-11-19 02:33 PM | Reply

and if anyone looks at him wrong, he'll kill 'em. Because he can.

#40 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2021-11-19 02:29 PM | REPLY | FLAG

This type of reaction is unnecessary. That's not what you saw in the videos presented in the trial. And I highly doubt this young man will take all of this lightly.

#48 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-19 02:34 PM | Reply

If that was his intention, he could have done so by staying at home.
Rittenhouse got what he wanted. He killed some people and is now a Republican hero.
He's your hero!

#43 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-11-19 02:30 PM

Another post from the site drama queen. How do you know he wanted that? Did he say that? He's not a hero in my opinion.

Are you calling a fair trial by a Judge and Jury a miscarriage of justice? Why do you hate America? see how easy that ---- is?

#49 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-19 02:36 PM | Reply

I highly doubt this young man will take all of this lightly.
#48 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Well. You're a fkken idiot. So that makes sense.

This will convince that murderer he was right the whole time.

His ego is going to balloon and he's going to be treated like a hero by trumpers from coast to coast.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 02:37 PM | Reply

"Maybe someone will kill that piece of ---- soon.

How long will the people of this nation allow nazis to kill without recourse?"

If you weren't such a coward you wouldn't be shooting your mouth off on the internet. Why don't you go out and do something?

#51 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 02:39 PM | Reply

Hell, they're treating Gosar as a hero today, and McCarthy's going to give MTG and the other loons great committee assignments if/when the GOP takes the House. It's the party of victims, don'tchaknow?

#52 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-19 02:40 PM | Reply

"He's your hero!"

As much as Rosenbaum is yours.

#53 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 02:40 PM | Reply

One wonders if it might have made a difference had the jury had seen the video of him beating up a teen girl.

Though that vid may have made Matt Gaetz sure to want to hire him.

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 02:40 PM | Reply

Now Kyle needs to acquire a attorney to go after the libbie media and sue them for prejudging and vilifying him in the court of public opinion, like was done to Nicholas Sandmann. You would think that after that one your dem 'major' media would have been more careful as it cost them milions, but them again, the libbie dem media is not very smart as evidenced by their also pushing the phony Russia dossier for years.

#55 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-11-19 02:40 PM | Reply

Well. You're a fkken idiot. So that makes sense.
This will convince that murderer he was right the whole time.
His ego is going to balloon and he's going to be treated like a hero by trumpers from coast to coast.
#50 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-11-19 02:37 PM | FLAG:
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Change your pantsuit, you've likely ---- thyself.

Is this a miscarriage of justice? or did he receive a fair trial with a judge and a jury?

#56 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-19 02:41 PM | Reply

He's not a hero in my opinion.

Of course he is. He murdered people and pwned the libbies.

You couldn't ask for more from him.

Are you calling a fair trial by a Judge and Jury a miscarriage of justice?

Are you calling that sham a fair trial?

Of course you are. Your hero go off for murder.

Why do you hate America? see how easy that ---- is?
#49 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

To lie? Yea. You're really good at it.

Kind of a prerequisite to being a Trumper.

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 02:41 PM | Reply

If you weren't such a coward you wouldn't be shooting your mouth off on the internet. Why don't you go out and do something?
Those are questions.
I can look at your response as an answer to those questions? That people should start doing that? If not, what is your answer?

#58 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-19 02:41 PM | Reply

"It's the party "

Cuz this is all about partisan politics to you. No other reason for you to even bring that up in this thread.

#59 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 02:42 PM | Reply

Is this a miscarriage of justice?
#56 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Yes. 100%.

And if you weren't such a stupid Trump humper.

You'd see it too.

You idiot.

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 02:44 PM | Reply

This type of reaction is unnecessary. That's not what you saw in the videos presented in the trial. And I highly doubt this young man will take all of this lightly.
#48 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Ok Senator Collins, and ------- will learn from his impeachment

#61 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-11-19 02:45 PM | Reply

Now I wonder when the state will take action against Grosskreutz who is a felon, and was illegally in possession of a firearm.

#62 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-11-19 02:45 PM | Reply

this is all about partisan politics
#59 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

It's the only reason you're defending a murderer.

He's part of your cult.

#63 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 02:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

His ego is going to balloon and he's going to be treated like a hero by trumpers from coast to coast.
#50 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-11-19 02:37 PM | FLAG:

Response:

Hell, they're treating Gosar as a hero today, and McCarthy's going to give MTG and the other loons great committee assignments if/when the GOP takes the House. It's the party of victims, don'tchaknow?

You: Cuz this is all about partisan politics to you. No other reason for you to even bring that up in this thread.

Idiot.

#64 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-19 02:46 PM | Reply

To lie? Yea. You're really good at it.
Kind of a prerequisite to being a Trumper.
#57 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-11-19 0

No. Unlike you I think about things. Kyle was charged with murder and had to defend himself in front of his peers - and the whole world for that matter. The media and drama queens like yourself decided to force a verdict of your own opinion. I wasn't there, I didn't hear the deliberation. Like it or not, It's what we do in America. I trust what I saw and what the people actually on the jury that he got a fair shake. If anyone looked stupid in all this, it was the prosecution.

#65 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-19 02:47 PM | Reply

How long until he starts his new show on Fox News?

Will they call it " Killing with Kyle" ?

#66 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2021-11-19 02:47 PM | Reply

The state prosecutor beaten by a public defender - that alone is just precious : )

#67 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-11-19 02:49 PM | Reply

No. Unlike you I think about things. Kyle was charged with murder and had to defend himself in front of his peers - and the whole world for that matter. The media and drama queens like yourself decided to force a verdict of your own opinion. I wasn't there, I didn't hear the deliberation. Like it or not, It's what we do in America. I trust what I saw and what the people actually on the jury that he got a fair shake. If anyone looked stupid in all this, it was the prosecution.

#65 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS A

And not the judge who had the jury applaud a defense witness? Or refuse to permit calling the victims, victims? Or allowed the defendant to pick the jury? That sort of justice you mean?

#68 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-11-19 02:49 PM | Reply

You idiot.

#60 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-11-19 02:44 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Low IQ post of the month. If you don't like America then figure out what works for you. Protest, march, write letters but by all means get up off your couch in them stinky pajamas and do something.

#69 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-19 02:49 PM | Reply

I'll go one step further, since Sentinel opened his mouth: Rittenhouse was a huge Trump supporter. He went to his rallies. I don't have any doubt that his mother is as well, and that they have Fox News and maybe even OANN on and watch for their "news." That's where he got all his ideas and outrage.

#70 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-19 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Unlike you I think about things.
#65 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Not based on your posts.

You're literally a dumb Trumper.

Just read the rest of your stupid post.

All excuses and bullshht to justify this sham trial and perversion of justice.

#71 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 02:51 PM | Reply

If Rittenhouse was black there would be no not guilty verdict. Bank on that.

#72 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-11-19 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why do you think judges are so universally concerned about decorum in their courtrooms? Because it is imperative that no distraction impacts the jury. For the judge to take the actions he took he clearly showed bias in rittenhouse's favor. that alone made the prosecutor's job harder, which is the essence of injustice.

#73 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-11-19 02:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This type of reaction is unnecessary. That's not what you saw in the videos presented in the trial. And I highly doubt this young man will take all of this lightly."

It's hard to say what lesson he'll take away from this. He's obviously still an immature kid/young adult. He might end up becoming as cynical as those who wanted to see him crucified. A person of good character would hope that he (or anyone in such a situation) would learn from the experience and not end up in a similarly dangerous situation, rather than wishing ill upon him, as many here clearly do.

#74 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 02:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Hopefully the next time he tries to bait the lion, the lion bites his head off first."

The lion tried to bite. The lion blinked. The lion lost a bicep.

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 02:53 PM | Reply

If you don't like America
#69 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Yea. That must be it!

Calling a sham trail a sham trial must mean I hate America.

This must be proof of that "thinking" you claim to do.

#76 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 02:53 PM | Reply

"I hope Rittenhouse isn't assassinated by some angry member of the public. That would be awful."

If he did, would that make the assassin a hero?

#77 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 02:54 PM | Reply

It's hard to say what lesson he'll take away from this. He's obviously still an immature kid/young adult. He might end up becoming as cynical as those who wanted to see him crucified. A person of good character would hope that he (or anyone in such a situation) would learn from the experience and not end up in a similarly dangerous situation, rather than wishing ill upon him, as many here clearly do.

#74 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

George Zimmerman on line 1

#78 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-11-19 02:55 PM | Reply

This is what happens when you have a biased judge and an unscrupulous incompetent DA.

So, we've all learned now, that it s as bunch of people I don't like are acting violently, it's totally cool if I grab a gun, drive dozens of miles out of my way to jump into the middle of the scrum like a hockey Ref dropping a puck, then act totally surprised when some of that violence comes my way and use it as an excuse to execute people.

#79 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-19 02:56 PM | Reply

It's hard to say what lesson he'll take away from this.

This will convince that murderer he was right the whole time.

His ego is going to balloon and he's going to be treated like a hero by trumpers from coast to coast.
#50 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK


#80 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 02:56 PM | Reply

If you don't like America
#69 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS
Yea. That must be it!
Calling a sham trail a sham trial must mean I hate America.
This must be proof of that "thinking" you claim to do.

#76 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-11-19 02:53 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Sham? specifically what part was a sham? The part where you didn't get the verdict you wanted?

#81 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-19 02:57 PM | Reply

"This will convince that murderer he was right the whole time."

Were Rosenbaum, Huber, and Grosskreutz in the right? The last of whom was illegally carrying a gun?

Yeah, Rittenhouse is an idiot. So were the other three. And if Grosskreutz had smoked Rittenhouse in self-defense and been acquitted, you'd be stating how justice had been served.

#82 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I'll go one step further, since Sentinel opened his mouth: Rittenhouse was a huge Trump supporter. He went to his rallies. I don't have any doubt that his mother is as well, and that they have Fox News and maybe even OANN on and watch for their "news." That's where he got all his ideas and outrage."

And that makes him guilty of what he was charged with? You're making my point for me that you wanted to see him convicted because of his political beliefs, which should not be a factor at all.

#83 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 02:58 PM | Reply

People better not prove him right.

#84 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-19 03:00 PM | Reply

"George Zimmerman on line 1"

Hello? Oh, you're lying.

#85 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 03:00 PM | Reply

And that makes him guilty of what he was charged with? You're making my point for me that you wanted to see him convicted because of his political beliefs, which should not be a factor at all.

#83 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2021-11-19 02:58 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Exactly.

#86 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-19 03:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If you feel this was wrong go and protest.

Do not rob a liquor store the KKK is just waiting for stories like that.

#87 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-19 03:02 PM | Reply

"So, we've all learned now, that it s as bunch of people I don't like are acting violently, it's totally cool if I grab a gun, drive dozens of miles out of my way to jump into the middle of the scrum like a hockey Ref dropping a puck, then act totally surprised when some of that violence comes my way and use it as an excuse to execute people."

What do you think Gaige Grosskreutz should be charged with?

#88 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:03 PM | Reply

"Rittenhouse will make a fine congressional aide to Matt Gaetz.
God have mercy on our nation."

The Republicans are fighting over him and making him out to be a hero others should follow, and some people say they wonder what Kyle is going to learn from all this. Please, get real:

Madison Cawthorn offers Kyle Rittenhouse "an internship," says he isn't guilty, and tells followers to also "be armed and dangerous."

twitter.com

#89 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 03:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Sham? specifically what part was a sham? The part where you didn't get the verdict you wanted?
#81 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

My goodness. You are stupider than I previously imagined.

Here. Maybe if you read it from a different poster.

And not the judge who had the jury applaud a defense witness? Or refuse to permit calling the victims, victims? Or allowed the defendant to pick the jury? That sort of justice you mean?
#68 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

This is what happens when you have a biased judge and an unscrupulous incompetent DA.
#79 | POSTED BY ABH

If Rittenhouse was black there would be no not guilty verdict. Bank on that.
#72 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

#90 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 03:03 PM | Reply

"If you feel this was wrong go and protest."

Yeah.

Portland will burn tonight.

Fer sure.

#91 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:04 PM | Reply

I wasn't sure how this verdict would go, The people shot were out for no good that night, and Kyle under the guise of doing well I'm sure knew he'd find no good.

There were no good actors that night.

Given the way the trial played out, I also can see how a jury could find in a sea of bad actors, and legal technicalities, that this was a sound verdict.

#92 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-11-19 03:05 PM | Reply

So, we've all learned now, that it s as bunch of people I don't like are acting violently, it's totally cool if I grab a gun, drive dozens of miles out of my way to jump into the middle of the scrum like a hockey Ref dropping a puck, then act totally surprised when some of that violence comes my way and use it as an excuse to execute people.

#79 | POSTED BY ABH AT 2021-11-19 02:56 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

I get what you're saying but people are charged and tried on the letter of the law. What laws were broken in what you just described? Their in lies the whole problem, just because someone doesn't like what you're doing/did doesn't make it criminal.

#93 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-19 03:05 PM | Reply

The Republicans are fighting over him and making him out to be a hero others should follow, and some people say they wonder what Kyle is going to learn from all this. Please, get real

Emphasis mine.

Love reading your posts, Gal.

Always a pleasure.

#94 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 03:05 PM | Reply

- tells followers to also "be armed and dangerous."

This is what happens when you can't do that with intelligence and must rely on guns.

Might makes right" is the dummy rwinger mantra of the season.

#95 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 03:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Hopefully the next time he tries to bait the lion"

You sound like the character in Ed Sander's "The Iliad" when trying justify his violent assault against somebody.

#96 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 03:07 PM | Reply

BWAAAAHAHAHA

I knew the commucrats here would have a cow.

#97 | Posted by Willowby at 2021-11-19 03:08 PM | Reply

There will be more Campbells Soup Kids playing right-wing commando on our streets because of this verdict.

They'll have good reason to think that if they incite a violent situation they can kill people without accountability. Just say "I was afraid they would take my gun so I shot them," high-five the judge and head right out of court to your own show on Fox Nation.

Anyone who thinks this verdict makes a better world is out of their minds.

#98 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Portland will burn tonight. Fer sure."

And if an anarchist or provocateur throws anything from a water bottle to a Molotov cocktail, you'll blame the liberals. Fer sure.

#99 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-19 03:09 PM | Reply

What laws were broken in what you just described?

I get Trumpers actively ignore everything prior to discovering who these dead people were and attacking them.

But. A 17 year old can't legally own an AR and he literally went hunting with it.

That doesn't matter in Trump America. As long as you're white and the person you murder can be demonized.

#100 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 03:09 PM | Reply

"They'll have good reason to think that if they incite a violent situation they can kill people without accountability."

Are you saying that Rittenhouse incited a violent situation?

He may have placed himself in a violent situation...but he didn't create it.

#101 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:10 PM | Reply

commucrats ...
#97 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

Did you suffer a stroke and forget how to write words?

Sad what being hooked on Trump does to people.

#102 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 03:11 PM | Reply

#98

What's inaccurate in that statement is the origin of the violent situation.

Kenosha was on fire, and the 'victims' in this case were out and about adding to the violence.

Kyle, knowingly entered a violent situation, but I don't believe he initiated. It was already all around them.

#103 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-11-19 03:12 PM | Reply

It's hard to say what lesson he'll take away from this.

It's obvious what lesson he'll take.

The pathological right-wing gun bunnies who celebrate George Zimmerman will celebrate him too and he'll become an increasingly more terrible person over the years just like George.

#104 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It's hard to say what lesson he'll take away from this. He's obviously still an immature kid/young adult. He might end up becoming as cynical as those who wanted to see him crucified. A person of good character would hope that he (or anyone in such a situation) would learn from the experience and not end up in a similarly dangerous situation, rather than wishing ill upon him, as many here clearly do."

Kyle is really popular with GOP House members and others on the radical right:

Paul Gosar says he will arm wrestle Matt Gaetz to decide who gets Kyle Rittenhouse as an intern

twitter.com

A call for Kyle Rittenhouse statues:

twitter.com

Candace Owens says "I want vengeance," adding that the Rittenhouse verdict "doesn't feel like a win"

twitter.com

#105 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 03:12 PM | Reply

"And if an anarchist or provocateur throws anything from a water bottle to a Molotov cocktail, you'll blame the liberals. Fer sure."

Liberals? No.

I'm a liberal.

I would blame progressives.

Progressives (like you) may not approve of everything the far left does, but you certainly do carry their water.

I've seen a lot of criticism of Rittenhouse here...no mention of the three who attacked him. In fact Corky refers to them almost as martyrs.

#106 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#88 Who did GG shoot again?

#107 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-19 03:12 PM | Reply

"But. A 17 year old can't legally own an AR"

Did Rittenhouse own the gun?

#108 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-19 03:13 PM | Reply

Are you saying that Rittenhouse incited a violent situation?

He absolutely incited by bringing a gun across state lines, breaking curfew, lying about being a certified EMT and trespassing on property while claiming he was defending it.

#109 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Liberals? No. I'm a liberal. I would blame progressives.

Liberals and progressives are the same thing.

#110 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I wasn't sure how this verdict would go"

All you had to do was pay attention to the judge's rulings and various courtroom comments to know the acquittal was a done deal from the get-go.

#111 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 03:16 PM | Reply

"It's obvious what lesson he'll take."

When you choose to look at the world through a cynical lens, all dark outcomes seem obvious and inevitable.

#112 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 03:16 PM | Reply

"#88 Who did GG shoot again?"

Nobody that I'm aware of. Why do you ask?

#113 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:17 PM | Reply

"He absolutely incited by bringing a gun across state lines, breaking curfew, lying about being a certified EMT and trespassing on property while claiming he was defending it."

As far as I'm concerned, his mother should have been on trial for being an accomplice.

#114 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 03:17 PM | Reply

109 him having that rifle caused the situation?

or the people not satisfied with the protest, who decided to riot, burn buildings, cars, etc... That didn't set the tone of the environment.

Those are some special lenses you're viewing this through then.

#115 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-11-19 03:17 PM | Reply

#109 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2021-11-19 03:15 PM | REPLY |

I'm pretty sure that was already a violent ---- show before Kyle showed up.

#116 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-19 03:17 PM | Reply

"He absolutely incited by bringing a gun across state lines, breaking curfew, lying about being a certified EMT and trespassing on property while claiming he was defending it."

And Rosenbaum, Huber, and Grosskreutz?

#117 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:18 PM | Reply

When you choose to look at the world through a cynical lens, all dark outcomes seem obvious and inevitable.

Do you think of yourself as sunshine, rainbows and unicorn farts while you carry water for a killer?

#118 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 03:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Liberals and progressives are the same thing."

You're adorable;)

#119 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:18 PM | Reply

"If Rittenhouse was black there would be no not guilty verdict. Bank on that.
#72 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR"

You mean like OJ? Oh I know...OJ was an "anomaly".
*spits and farts loud

#120 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-11-19 03:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

As far as I'm concerned, his mother should have been on trial for being an accomplice.

#114 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2021-11-19 03:17 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

an accomplice to what? What statute specifically?

#121 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-19 03:19 PM | Reply

"I'm pretty sure that was already a violent ---- show before Kyle showed up."

Hmm, according to CNN it was "fiery but mostly peaceful". Kyle triggered people with fire extinguisher.

#122 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 03:20 PM | Reply

"As far as I'm concerned, his mother should have been on trial for being an accomplice."

Kind of like the Texas abortion law where someone who commits an act that aids in an abortion being carried out can be sued as an "accomplice?" Or at least the civil court version of an accomplice.

#123 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:20 PM | Reply

Anyone who thinks this verdict makes a better world is out of their minds.

#98 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2021-11-19 03:08 PM | FLAG: Sorry guy, but court verdicts are not to be about making a better world, rather, they are about justice, and justice has been served - whether you and your ilk like it... or not.

#124 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-11-19 03:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

him having that rifle caused the situation?

If you play pretend commando 10 days after you fantasized about shooting shoplifters at CVS, yes I think your behavior while you swung an AR-15 around caused the trouble you were in.

But by all means keep defending irresponsible behavior by armed right-wing vigilantes who came to Kenosha wanting trouble just as much as anyone who threw a Molotov cocktail. That'll make America a better place.

#125 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 03:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Kyle triggered people with fire extinguisher."

Yes.

He disturbed their riot.

Rittenhouse incited violence by interfering in a criminal act.

#126 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:21 PM | Reply

"an accomplice to what? What statute specifically?"

An accomplice to his stupidity and vigilante narcissism in the court of public opinion.

#127 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

116...

Obviously they had set a nice camp fire, and were sitting around it drinking juice and eating cookies. Then the evil one, who had once donned the sign of the beast... the read headdress, appeared. At this moment the already dark nighttime skies darkened even more, a cold wind swept down, chilling everyone to their very soul. Kyle was here, he had an AR, and planned on using it to serve up the souls of the innocent this very night.

#128 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-11-19 03:22 PM | Reply

*red headdress... gd typos

#129 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-11-19 03:23 PM | Reply

Truth,

"It is called a Freudian Slip."

No...it was I have a brain and knew what he meant.

#130 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-19 03:23 PM | Reply

justice has been served - whether you and your ilk like it... or not.

You only say that because you like that the Campbells Soup Kid got away with killing people.

There wasn't going to be justice in a trial where the clown judge said call them looters or rioters not victims and asked the jury to applaud a defense witness.

#131 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 03:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"But by all means keep defending irresponsible behavior by armed right-wing vigilantes who came to Kenosha wanting trouble just as much as anyone who threw a Molotov cocktail. That'll make America a better place."

Part of the point I've been trying to make is the dudes who showed up with guns in Kenosha are no different than the ones who showed up with molotov cocktails.

Gaige Grosskreutz, like Rittenhouse, participated in the protest under the pretext of being a medic, armed with a weapon he was not legally allowed to carry.

In those last few seconds, had GG shot KR, would you have the same opinion of GG as you do of KR?

#132 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:24 PM | Reply

133 F no. Kyle was the worse actor in this to them the moment this happened based on his politics and no ones actions.

#133 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-11-19 03:26 PM | Reply

An accomplice to his stupidity and vigilante narcissism in the court of public opinion.

#127 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2021-11-19 03:22 PM | REPLY |

Thanks for clearing that up.

#134 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-19 03:26 PM | Reply

Reaction to Kyle Rittenhouse's not guilty verdict was swift on social media.

Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colo. posted on Twitter: "Today is a great day for the Second Amendment and the right to self-defense. Kyle Rittenhouse is not guilty on all counts! Glory to God!"

Donald Trump Jr. tweeted: "The Rittenhouse jury just gave [President Joe] Biden his second colonoscopy of the day."

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., also posted on Twitter: "Kyle Rittenhouse ACQUITTED on ALL charges! May Kyle and his family now live in peace. Those who help, protect, and defend are the good guys. Kyle is one of good ones."

www.newsmax.com

#135 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 03:26 PM | Reply

oops. 133->132

#136 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-11-19 03:26 PM | Reply

CNN analysts are eviscerating the prosecution's characterization of Rittenhouse as an "active shooter". "An active shooter is someone who shoots indiscriminately."

#137 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 03:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Plain Talk: NRA's troubles might restore our gun sanity
Dave Zweifel | The Capital Times May 23, 2021

Those who have done the gun lobby's bidding through the years and enjoyed its largess to help finance their election campaigns haven't been heard extolling the virtues of the organization that has effectively kept America from enacting any meaningful gun safety laws in decades. That includes much of the Republican majority in Wisconsin's Legislature that delights in refusing to even discuss gun laws unless it's to make firearms easier to get.

madison.com

Their troubles didn't happen soon enough. But hey, when an organization that markets guns for manufacturers and pays politicians to create the kind of lax gun laws such as in Wisconsin, it might have been difficult for any jury to convict.

#138 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 03:27 PM | Reply

"Reaction to Kyle Rittenhouse's not guilty verdict was swift on social media."

Who cares?

#139 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 03:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The reason I ask Madbomber, is because he didn't shoot anyone, didn't go down and insert himself into a group of violent people he hated, and his gun was legal. And he was an adult.

But other than that, let's pretend their the same.

#140 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-19 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Liberals and progressives are the same thing.
#110 | POSTED BY RCADE

Unless you're a troll who claims to be a liberal who hates progressives.

#141 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#135... They're retarded too.

There were no good actors there that night. Violent morons, met an idealistic idiot and by technicalities of law what were his actions in that meeting are technically allowed.

I'd shut up and slink away and thank the stars that I was avoiding prison.

#142 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-11-19 03:29 PM | Reply

LOL: media.discordapp.net

#143 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-11-19 03:30 PM | Reply

Did Rittenhouse own the gun?
#108 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

So, you're ignorant of the facts. But you still believe your options matter.

Thanks Trumper!

#144 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 03:30 PM | Reply

The message is clear:

ANTIFA, BLM, and all others, please bring guns to all protests.

If you feel threatened, fire away.

#145 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-11-19 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Love reading your posts, Gal.
Always a pleasure."

Backatcha:

Liberals and progressives are the same thing.
#110 | POSTED BY RCADE

Unless you're a troll who claims to be a liberal who hates progressives.
#141 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

#146 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 03:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- let's pretend their the same.

Mythbomber has plenty of incredibly inane analogies in his arsenal... when he runs out, though, he always has his logical fallacies of assigning motivations to anyone who disagrees with his nonsense.

He should go back to bombing innocent women and children from thousands of feet up, you know, safe murder at long range.

#147 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 03:32 PM | Reply

CNN analysts are eviscerating the prosecution's characterization of Rittenhouse as an "active shooter". "An active shooter is someone who shoots indiscriminately."

He shot three people and shot at a fourth within a four-minute timespan and you don't think that would be an active shooter.

Keep on shoveling.

#148 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#145

Actually you're not wrong. I'd caution they had better actually feel it, and it's feigned as an excuse to fire. Then when closely examined a group of 12 can be convinced that your feelings were justified.

#149 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-11-19 03:35 PM | Reply

In those last few seconds, had GG shot KR, would you have the same opinion of GG as you do of KR?

You might as well ask if I'd have the same opinion of Rittenhouse if he didn't shoot anybody.

If you believe Rittenhouse had the right to shoot Grosskreutz because he was pointing a gun at him, you should believe that Grosskreutz had the right to shoot Rittenhouse for the same reason.

#150 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#132. I've seen no evidence that he had been stripped of his right to carry. It's not an automatic event. Not every felon has that happen. There is a process abs notification requirements. Can you say that happened? No? Then he was not illegally carrying.

#151 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-19 03:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He also provoked the attack by pointing his gun at the little bi-polar guy, twice in the parking lot before the third time when he shot him down. Which wasn't good enough so there were two more bullets to finish him off.

The gun laws in Wisc are such that you can now count on this happening more often.

#152 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 03:37 PM | Reply

#148 to me, an active shooter in this case would have shown up in Kenosha. Identified a group to target, and then open fire indiscriminately on them.

Nothing about this night fits that.

#153 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-11-19 03:37 PM | Reply

I'd shut up and slink away and thank the stars that I was avoiding prison.

#142 | POSTED BY KWRX25

That would make too much sense. I am glad he wasn't destroyed like so many victims of trumpism. But it's not over for him.

I expect he will be elevated to hero status by gun nut Trumpers and will go on tour presiding over the upcoming dark days in America.

So sadly, he will probably end up much like the Zimmerman. Another victim of his own hate.

#154 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-11-19 03:38 PM | Reply

#148 to me, an active shooter in this case would have shown up in Kenosha.

The argument is whether people on the street like Huber and Grosskreutz had a reasonable belief they were defending themselves from an active shooter, not that he was one.

If anyone in this discussion is in a mall this weekend and someone shoots a person there four times and then runs, they're going to think it's an active shooter and their lives are in peril.

#155 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump has just announced he is giving Killer Kyle the National Medal of Honor... you know, since he's still President and all.

#156 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 03:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The reason I ask Madbomber, is because he didn't shoot anyone, didn't go down and insert himself into a group of violent people he hated, and his gun was legal. And he was an adult."

He did go down and insert himself into a group of violent people he hated.

His gun was not legal, as his concealed carry permit had expired. He also had two previous weapons charges against him, which suggests that he was not legally allowed to carry a firearm at all.

Do you think that the DA might should go back and consider pressing charges against GG? Not for murder...he didn't kill anyone, but for illegal possession of a firearm? More importantly, bringing a firearm into a violent situaiton?

#157 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:40 PM | Reply

"He shot three people and shot at a fourth within a four-minute timespan and you don't think that would be an active shooter."

I know I'm not going change your mind. You're still clinging to and repeating statements that have been debunked and proved false, like "bringing a gun across state lines". I know that you're capable of making rational arguments. I've seen you make them on some topics. This is not one of them.

#158 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 03:42 PM | Reply

#155...

So I think there is an active shooter in the mall...

I see someone running with a gun, I fear for my life...

and grab my skateboard and chase after him??!!??!!

No... sorry that doesn't pass the sniff test either.

#159 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-11-19 03:42 PM | Reply

They would have if he deserved it. If his right to carry was never taken from him, nothing was wrong with him carrying. Period.

They only person in the wrong was that little vigilante Hitler idolater.

#160 | Posted by ABH at 2021-11-19 03:43 PM | Reply

None of this would have happened if everyone stayed home that night.

But no Mr. vigilante just had to go play superhero and Rosenbaum just had to chase a guy he knew had a gun.

#161 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-19 03:43 PM | Reply

"Unless you're a troll who claims to be a liberal who hates progressives."

Progressives are inherently authoritarian.

If you spend any time in Europe, liberals are the people who favor social and economic freedom. So...me. Progressives...not so much. Not that progressives regard all freedom as being bad, but freedom should be measured against progressive values, and those freedoms that might conflict with progressive values should be metered. Economic, speech, whatever.

#162 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:44 PM | Reply

"There were no good actors there that night. Violent morons, met an idealistic idiot and by technicalities of law what were his actions in that meeting are technically allowed."

It depends on who you talk to.

There are plenty here who would sing the songs of the heroes Rosenbaum, Huber, and Grosskreutz.

#163 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:45 PM | Reply

#162

Ayn von Mises Rand on progressives... talk about your questionable sources.

#164 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 03:47 PM | Reply

So but, which is it that you rwingers enjoyed more, Rittenhouse killing and wounding people or Rittenhouse beating up a teen girl?

(info needed for next Matt Gaetz campaign)

#165 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 03:49 PM | Reply

"If you believe Rittenhouse had the right to shoot Grosskreutz because he was pointing a gun at him, you should believe that Grosskreutz had the right to shoot Rittenhouse for the same reason."

I absolutely 100% believe that, and have said it many times.

Had a Rittenhouse been a Grosskreutz, killing or injuring right-wing extremists who were attacking him, my opinion would not change one bit.

And that's the difference between me and most people here. I could care less about the ideology.

In fact even in this situation, if Grosskreutz had shot and killed KR in those final moments, I would consider it self-defense. 100%.

#166 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Ayn von Mises Rand on progressives... talk about your questionable sources."

Sorry Comrade. I think you're a bit too old to see me sent off to a re-education camp.

#167 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:50 PM | Reply

I fully expect that the Gravy Seals and Meal Team-6 will use the Rottenhouse defense when they open up on protestors at future events. Portland, OR, where the Proud Boufs and Antifa have regular clashes will soon become a killing field. This case has legalized the Reichwing hunting of people who disagree with their political opinion. This result will have long-lasting highly negative implications for our society, and with SCOTUS about to make it legal for EVERY PERSON in the country no matter what their criminal history or mental status to carry concealed, we are about to see an unprecedented slaughter. I will now be carrying every time I leave the house. Unflippingbelievable!

#168 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-11-19 03:50 PM | Reply

"The argument is whether people on the street like Huber and Grosskreutz had a reasonable belief they were defending themselves from an active shooter, not that he was one."

It's not a reasonable belief, given the circumstances. None of them saw him point his gun or shoot at anyone who wasn't directly attacking him. It was at best based on hearsay. Whether the attackers genuinely believed their attack was justified is irrelevant to whether or not Rittenhouse was justified in his self defense.

#169 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 03:51 PM | Reply

Lots of tears in this thread over a kid defending himself from an armed mob of pedophiles and other assorted leftists, lol!

#170 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-19 03:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"There are plenty here who would sing the songs of the heroes Rosenbaum, Huber, and Grosskreutz."

For which acts of heroism, specifically?

#171 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 03:52 PM | Reply

"Portland, OR, where the Proud Boufs and Antifa have regular clashes will soon become a killing field."

And?

Who gives a ----?

Let them kill each other.

The gangs have been doing it for decades. So long as they don't kill civilians, let them fight.

#172 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:52 PM | Reply

"Progressives are inherently authoritarian."

Like laws saying you can't discriminate based on race, that kind of thing?

#173 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 03:53 PM | Reply

171 Rcade is pretty firmly on record of them believing they were valiantly chasing down an active shooter arming themselves only with a skateboard.

#174 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-11-19 03:54 PM | Reply

The state prosecutor beaten by a public defender - that alone is just precious : )
#67 | POSTED BY MSGT

Rittenhouse was represented by a team of private attorneys.

Even if he wasn't, I don't see how it would be humorous in this fictional scenario for one government lawyer to lose to another. It wasn't "the state prosecutor," it was a county ADA.

#175 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-19 03:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In fact even in this situation, if Grosskreutz had shot and killed KR in those final moments, I would consider it self-defense. 100%.

#166 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I know I have certainly learned my lesson. At least in Wisconsin.

If you see someone running during a riot with a gun shoot them first and ask questions later.

Vigilante justice.

If that is the America you want congratulations. We just took another step in that direction. At least in Wisconsin.

#176 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-11-19 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

-a bit too old

Always better than a bit to ignorant.

You are still obfuscating by blaming victims and setting up strawman analogies and committing an atrocity full of other logical fallacies. Try focusing on the facts and the law, if that's possible while still spouting your prejudices.

I have to say, you have the mind of someone who has been told what to do all of their adult life, and never had to think for themselves.

Which may be why focusing on something is so difficult for you... no one ordered you to do it.

#177 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 03:56 PM | Reply

The gangs have been doing it for decades. So long as they don't kill civilians, let them fight.

#172 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2021-11-19 03:52 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Because idiot, there is ALWAYS the chance for collateral damage, so innocent getting shot because they were jogging past the demonstration, or whatever. You do realize that in some of those gang shootings, stray bullets kill innocent people doing nothing more than sitting or sleeping inside their homes.

#178 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-11-19 03:56 PM | Reply

Liberals and progressives are the same thing.

#110 | Posted by rcade

I've been told on this site a million times that is not true..

#179 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-19 03:57 PM | Reply

"For which acts of heroism, specifically?"

Heroes of the revolution, good sir. Warriors for marginalized communities, people of color, the proletariat, and social, economic, and environmental justice.

Did I forget anything?

#180 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:58 PM | Reply

"Like laws saying you can't discriminate based on race, that kind of thing?"

Like laws saying you can discriminate based on sex. And income. And political beliefs. And religious beliefs. And yes, race.

#181 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 03:59 PM | Reply

And who's making these claims, other than you?

#182 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 03:59 PM | Reply

I've been told on this site a million times that is not true..
#179 | POSTED BY BOAZ

By whom?

#183 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 03:59 PM | Reply

Apparently within the US raising a hand or a foot can get you shot to death and all the murderer has to do to avoid any consequence is to cite Stand-Your-Ground and claim "self-defense" - so many men with tiny dicks.

#184 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2021-11-19 04:00 PM | Reply

"If that is the America you want congratulations. We just took another step in that direction. At least in Wisconsin."

Or, you could just avoid riots.

If you do feel the need to attend a riot though, it's probably better to be armed.

#185 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 04:00 PM | Reply

I've been told on this site a million times that is not true..

#179 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Progressives and liberals are the same.

There. You've been told a million a one times now.

You could be told a million things a million times and it still would affect you.

Never saw anyone so proud of their ignorance. Well not until your hero Trumpy that is ...

#186 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-11-19 04:00 PM | Reply

Like laws saying you can discriminate based on sex. And income. And political beliefs. And religious beliefs. And yes, race.
#181 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Which laws are those? All of those except income are protected classes under the law, at least at the Federal level.

#187 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You are still obfuscating by blaming victims and setting up strawman analogies and committing an atrocity full of other logical fallacies."

I can't blame victims. Because there weren't any.

#188 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 04:01 PM | Reply

Kyle Rittenhouse Sentenced To 45 Years Of CPAC Appearances

www.theonion.com

#189 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 04:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

I've been told on this site a million times that is not true ...

By who?

#190 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 04:02 PM | Reply

Or, you could just avoid riots.
#185 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Without riots, there would never have been an America in the first place.
Why do you hate America?

#191 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 04:02 PM | Reply

- So but, which is it that you rwingers enjoyed more, Rittenhouse killing and wounding people or Rittenhouse beating up a teen girl?

(info needed for next Matt Gaetz campaign)

Still no answer... what is Matt to do?

#192 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 04:02 PM | Reply

"Because idiot, there is ALWAYS the chance for collateral damage, so innocent getting shot because they were jogging past the demonstration, or whatever. You do realize that in some of those gang shootings, stray bullets kill innocent people doing nothing more than sitting or sleeping inside their homes."

Yep. But in a broader sense I don't really care about extremists killing other extremists.

Maybe soon all of them will crawl back under the rocks they stayed under for so long.

#193 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 04:03 PM | Reply

So, you're ignorant of the facts. But you still believe your options matter.

Thanks Trumper!

#144 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT

Lol. It's obvious you know and are to ashamed to admit you're another spin doctor.

#194 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-19 04:04 PM | Reply

Or, you could just avoid riots.

If you do feel the need to attend a riot though, it's probably better to be armed.

#185 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Like killer Kyle did?

I am always armed.

I am always ready. But I am waiting until I am really needed. Which looks like it won't be that much longer now. It will be a very bad day when the minutemen have to come down out of the hills. Again.

Semper Fi.

#195 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-11-19 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But in a broader sense I don't really care about extremists killing other extremists."

Why stop there?
It's not like your not caring ends with extremists!

#196 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 04:04 PM | Reply

- I can't blame victims. Because there weren't any.

victims def
a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action.

Have I mentioned what an illiterate ---- you are?

Oh, wait... the military. Never mind.

#197 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 04:04 PM | Reply

Re 186.

... still wouldn't affect you ...

#198 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-11-19 04:05 PM | Reply

#189 |

Hilarious. The truth is always funniest.

#199 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 04:06 PM | Reply

"Which laws are those? All of those except income are protected classes under the law, at least at the Federal level."

There are laws that require the federal government to favor minorities when letting contracts.

There are laws that prohibit some humans with penises from entering a female restroom, but permit others.

There are laws that segregate bathrooms by gender.

There are laws that prohibit a human from using the bathroom in public.

#200 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 04:07 PM | Reply

"Without riots, there would never have been an America in the first place."

Or go. If it's that important to you.

But go armed. Just like the founders did.

#201 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 04:07 PM | Reply

"Like killer Kyle did?"

And Gaige Grosskreutz.

#202 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 04:08 PM | Reply

Is the back up plan to charge Rittenhouse with a Federal crime and retry him like they did those cops?

#203 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-11-19 04:08 PM | Reply

You're still clinging to and repeating statements that have been debunked and proved false, like "bringing a gun across state lines".

I didn't know that the gun was already in Wisconsin because Rittenhouse used a straw purchaser to obtain it:

"Using money that Rittenhouse gave him, Dominick Black, a friend who also dated one of Rittenhouse's sisters, bought the gun at a hardware store in Ladysmith, Wisconsin, in May 2020. Black, who was 18 at the time, purchased the gun for Rittenhouse, who at age 17, was too young to legally buy it for himself."

www.factcheck.org

Thank you for the correction that makes Rittenhouse look bad in a whole new way. A seventeen-year-old gave somebody else money to buy an AR-15 for him because he was too young to own it. And this happened across state lines! And you don't have a problem with it!

Here's a case where somebody bought a gun for his uncle as a straw purchase and was convicted of a federal crime:

www.findlaw.com

#204 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 04:08 PM | Reply

"a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action."

KR was hit over the head with a skateboard.

victim?

#205 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 04:09 PM | Reply

- I don't really care about extremists killing other extremists.

(whistles) Talk about your psychological projection posts... that's a doozy.

#206 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 04:09 PM | Reply

"Have I mentioned what an illiterate ---- you are?"

You're just pissed because you know I'm right. That outside of subjectivity and emotion, you really can't criticize KR anymore than you can Rosenbaum, Huber, or Grosskreutz.

#207 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 04:10 PM | Reply

But go armed. Just like the founders did.
#201 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I think you mean, go dressed up as Indians, like the Founders did.

#208 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 04:11 PM | Reply

#204

Do you have a position on Gaige Grosskreutz? He was legally not allowed to carry a firearm at the time he brought one to the Kenosha riots.

#209 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 04:12 PM | Reply

White Wisconsin stupid.

#210 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2021-11-19 04:13 PM | Reply

- You're just pissed because

More assigning motivations... you must be out of other logical fallacies.

#211 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 04:13 PM | Reply

"I think you mean, go dressed up as Indians, like the Founders did."

I'm not sure that would have the same effect in 2021.

#212 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 04:13 PM | Reply

But go armed. Just like the founders did.

#201 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Do I also have to wear pantaloons and a Tri cornered hat and a powdered wig and bring along a slave or two to wipe my butt just like the founding fathers did?

If only you really could see how stupid line of reasoning really is.

#213 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-11-19 04:15 PM | Reply

"More assigning motivations... you must be out of other logical fallacies."

Logical fallacy?

OK.

Walk me through the "fallacy" part. I don't think you can.

#214 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 04:15 PM | Reply

Yawn, this is just America singing hymns to a freedom we've always cherished. Young Kyle will get a plum internship in Congress and be feted as a prophet of freedom and morality.

....two corpses will molder silently while another man struggles with permanent diasbility.

I see nothing here to be smug or pleased about.

A new monster is born....
there will be consequences....

#215 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-11-19 04:17 PM | Reply

You are assigning anger to me... right after I posted how hilarious another post was.

That's one fallacy. Your use of most of them, however, is legion.

#216 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 04:19 PM | Reply

And the blood thirsty tree of liberty gets to drink again ...

#217 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-11-19 04:19 PM | Reply

"If only you really could see how stupid line of reasoning really is."

Or don't go armed.

Go riot unarmed. It makes no difference to me. But if you're a rioter, you're by definition threatening people and property. They're likely to fight back because you're trying to hurt them. Whether you choose to defend yourself or not defend yourself is a personal decision. But if you're going to riot and pit yourself against a bunch of people who don't mind killing you, you might should go prepared.

#218 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 04:21 PM | Reply

... if you're a rioter, you're by definition threatening people and property.

Calling all the people Rittenhouse shot at rioters is false. You're inventing new reasons to defend his killings.

#219 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 04:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#218

The old "they got what they deserved" for messing with people with guns... because guns convey authority better than democratic elections.

You are mentally way older than me.

#220 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 04:24 PM | Reply

"I think you mean, go dressed up as Indians, like the Founders did."
I'm not sure that would have the same effect in 2021.
#212 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Interesting angle.
What effect did it have in 1773?
I've never quite understood why they were dressed up as Indians... anyone know?

#221 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 04:25 PM | Reply

"I think you mean, go dressed up as Indians, like the Founders did."
I'm not sure that would have the same effect in 2021.
#212 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER: Just tell them that you're going to reenact the Boston tea Party ; )

#222 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-11-19 04:27 PM | Reply

.. anyone know?

Obviously they were gay according to rwhiners... unless they were Trump Shamans, then they were "real men".

#223 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 04:28 PM | Reply

Truth:

In the Rittenhouse case, the 13th juror was the judge.

twitter.com

#224 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 04:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Shoot up, Yippy kye aye, -------------. Just good times in Wisconsin. Why can't we ever get the good times here? I mean,it's just so boring without all the gunplay. Kyle can give semanars on how to beat the rap for killing enemies of the state. Trump has a job for that fine young individual. He's going places in life,believe that.

#225 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-11-19 04:28 PM | Reply

This jury has just empowered white radicals to carry out armed vigilante patrols at any demonstration against or protest of racism in the nation.

#226 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-11-19 04:29 PM | Reply

"Calling all the people Rittenhouse shot at rioters is false. You're inventing new reasons to defend his killings."

Really?

What threshold do you think has to be met before you can be considered a "rioter?"

It might be easier to answer this way. Can progressives be rioters? Or is what they do just "good trouble?"

#227 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 04:29 PM | Reply

#226 What's the average number of businesses looted and burned at a well attended racism protest?

#228 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-11-19 04:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

226 Did the OJ jury empower bitter ex husbands to behead their wives?

Or in reality do the details matter? and this isn't likely to play out quite like this ever again?

#229 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-11-19 04:35 PM | Reply

"This jury has just empowered white radicals to carry out armed vigilante patrols at any demonstration against or protest of racism in the nation."

Yes, that seems to be the consensus that is forming:

ITS OFFICIAL: Open Hunting Season on anyone that protests against armed white men. They have a license to kill liberals so long as they say it's self defense.

twitter.com

#230 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#224

Isn't that the truth. The judge could have saved the kid even were he convicted. He had two mistrial motions in his pocket and held them until after the jury decision.

I'm wondering if we will have some of these jurors telling us in future that, given the laws and the instructions the judge gave them, they really had no other choice.

The defense was put in the position of having to prove a negative; that the kid not act out self defense.

And the gun charges were dropped because the NRA had installed language in Wisc law that criminal possession had to be of a gun with a "short barrel" to be covered by the law.

#231 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 04:39 PM | Reply

"226 Did the OJ jury empower bitter ex husbands to behead their wives?
Or in reality do the details matter? and this isn't likely to play out quite like this ever again?"

The greater political/societal environment play a big role. See posts #89, 105 and 135 for that context.

#233 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 04:40 PM | Reply

act out of

#234 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 04:40 PM | Reply

"I want my trial in Kenosha."

Alec Baldwin

#235 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2021-11-19 04:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#102

You're delusional, clown. Not everyone to the right of Mao is a "Trumper".

I wish Trump would drop dead or spend the rest of his life in prison broke.

I won't vote for him. He'd be 78 upon inauguration. Only a blithering idiot would vote for somebody that old. Oh, wait.

#236 | Posted by willowby at 2021-11-19 04:42 PM | Reply

chill, ya'll

www.youtube.com

#237 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 04:48 PM | Reply

Lesson: if you are armed and see someone fleeing with a gun who you suspect committed a crime, do not intervene. They can shoot you can call it self-defense.

#238 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-11-19 04:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Also true:

So apparently those 10,000 right wing tweets I've read for two weeks that the jury was going to convict him because they were in fear of a woke mob turned out to be wrong. What a shocker.

twitter.com

#239 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 04:51 PM | Reply

It's really popular this, "he tried to grab my gun, so I shot him... to protect my gun!" defense.

But hey, Trump's lucky he never got shot given the, "he tried to grab my P, so I shot him... to protect my P!" defense.

#240 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 04:52 PM | Reply

What threshold do you think has to be met before you can be considered a "rioter?"

You're calling the four people he shot at rioters without making any attempt to back that up with evidence.

Maybe you could start there, buttercup.

#241 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 04:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What threshold do you think has to be met before you can be considered a "rioter?"

#227 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Apparently you believe it only requires their presence on the wrong side of a demonstration.

#243 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-11-19 04:59 PM | Reply

I've never quite understood why they were dressed up as Indians... anyone know?

#221 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-11-19 04:25 PM | FLAG:

1) Smart rioters plan ahead and have disguises because they are fairly certain there will be a riot.
2) To let the Brits know, hey, --, we identify as Americans, not Brits, and we're not a bunch of doodles hanging out at the macaroni club.

#244 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-11-19 05:00 PM | Reply

"You're calling the four people he shot at rioters without making any attempt to back that up with evidence."

YGBFSM.

The evidence is a matter of public record.

#245 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 05:01 PM | Reply

"2) To let the Brits know, hey, --, we identify as Americans, not Brits"

This feels like a stretch, since the Founding Fathers saw the Indians as savage animals to be eradicated, not celebrated.

#246 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 05:02 PM | Reply

#242

More projection from the usual suspect. Creepy would be justifying killing women and children from thousands of feet up in the air. That would be creepy.

But then, maybe some people never heard that, "War is a Racket".

www.youtube.com

#247 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 05:03 PM | Reply

"1) Smart rioters plan ahead and have disguises because they are fairly certain there will be a riot."

The Founding Fathers ran a False Flag operation? Say it ain't so!

#248 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 05:06 PM | Reply

The evidence is a matter of public record.

Why do you keep making false claims?

There's no evidence that Anthony Huber or Gaige Grosskreutz were rioters.

I don't even think there was evidence that Joseph Rosenbaum was a rioter, though a lot of claims were made on the right.

Being out on the street didn't make someone a rioter. If it did you should be calling Rittenhouse a rioter.

#249 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 05:10 PM | Reply

This feels like a stretch, since the Founding Fathers saw the Indians as savage animals to be eradicated, not celebrated.

#246 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-11-19 05:02 PM | FLAG:

History is always more complex than your simplistic views of society as a uniculture.

Mohawk was Emerging as a Symbol of Liberty in the New Land

"Donald Grinde and Bruce Johansen in their book, Exemplar of Liberty: Native America and the Evolution of Democracy (1) devote the entire chapter analyzing the reason of why Sons of Liberty used Mohawk disguise."

#251 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-11-19 05:23 PM | Reply

"Creepy would be justifying killing women and children from thousands of feet up in the air. That would be creepy."

Jeez.

Well, I'm about to go to bed. But I can only imagine how mad you'll find yourself knowing that tomorrow morning I'm off to Bastogne, where women, children, and even some (National) Socialists were killed by USans flying thousands of feet up in the air. Although most of the killing was conducted by men on the ground.

It's the time of year when a lot of people come to commemorate the larger battle of the bulge. They have a Christmas market. Next week the actors from "Band of Brothers" will be in Bastogne to sign autographs. Lot's of signs saying "Never Forget." OK.

It's probably a good thing you don't go to places like this. You would have no business being there.

#252 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-19 05:27 PM | Reply

#251 Surely you can perceive the vast discrepancy between the symbol and the symbolized.

This is about as good a time to use "cultural appropriation" as there is.

Washington was no friend of the Indian. It's a ridiculous suggestion. He spent his whole life warring against them, first for England, later for America.

#253 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 05:30 PM | Reply

Thanks for the link nonetheless, Sitzkrieg.

#255 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 05:31 PM | Reply

Madbomber: Repeatedly making false claims without any effort to back them up is trolling. You've had multiple chances to defend your statement that they were rioters.

#256 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 05:35 PM | Reply

this isn't likely to play out quite like this ever again?

#229 | POSTED BY KWRX25

Not in California, that's for sure.

But Wisconsin has definitely taken another step toward more deadly vigilante shooting events that will be similar if not worse.

Baby steps.

#257 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-11-19 05:36 PM | Reply

Washington was no friend of the Indian. It's a ridiculous suggestion. He spent his whole life warring against them, first for England, later for America.

#253 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-11-19 05:30 PM | FLAG:

Nobody said that lol. You're average guy rioting and dumping tea wasn't also a liquor baron like Washington.

#258 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-11-19 05:40 PM | Reply

- I can only imagine how mad

Your assigning of motivations appears to be perpetual. Not much I can do for you there.

- even some (National) Socialists

Same Big Lie, different day.

"Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934. But to address this canard fully, one must begin with the birth of the party."

www.britannica.com

And using actions like the bombing of Dresden to excuse your own murders?
That's so like you.

- You would have no business being there.

True enough. I chose not to fight a corporate police action in Vietnam. Lot of you new American Firsters wouldn't like that.

#259 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-19 05:44 PM | Reply

The Founding Fathers ran a False Flag operation? Say it ain't so!

#248 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-11-19 05:06 PM | FLAG:

Not a false flag. Just a riot. They weren't trying to pawn it off on the Mohawk. How would this raiding party have even gotten to the port? Brits are Brits, not retarded.

#260 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-11-19 05:50 PM | Reply

#253 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Nobody said that lol.

#258 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Q: Why are such a high percentage of snoofy's posts followed with "nobody said that" or "I didn't say that?

A: Because he's a ------- troll.

That's why he'll never come off my killfile list.

#261 | Posted by jakester at 2021-11-19 05:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you have a position on Gaige Grosskreutz? He was legally not allowed to carry a firearm at the time he brought one to the Kenosha riots.
#209 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Grosskreutz didn't murder two people and blow another guy's arm off with his gun, --------.

Nobody cares whether non-murderers were legally carrying their guns that night. It's relevant to Rittenhouse because of what he did with his gun.

#262 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-19 06:03 PM | Reply

Justice in this country is served
only in so far as the jury and the judge
are unbiased. Both were clearly biased in
this case. Justice was Not served. The boy
is a clear and present danger. Of course the same could be said of at least 1/3rd of the GOP in this nation.

#263 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-11-19 06:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Q: Why are such a high percentage of snoofy's posts followed with "nobody said that" or "I didn't say that?

A: Because he's benevolent enough to continue arguing with some of the worst people here, who rarely have any argument beyond mischaracterization and strawman.

#264 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-19 06:04 PM | Reply

#264 - Wrong. A good faith arguer will not put words into people's mouths. Trolls however, do.

#265 | Posted by jakester at 2021-11-19 06:07 PM | Reply

I misread your post.

#266 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-19 06:08 PM | Reply

#264 -- I don't think I've ever seen anything so funny as someone calling a troll benevolent. That's some funny stuff.

If people are so bad and have no argument, why argue with them? Sounds like something an idiot would do. I know I don't. That's why people like him and speaksoftly will forever be on my killfile list. I guess I'm not as benevolent and altruistic as they are. LOL

Thank you for that bizarre glimpse into your world of reality, Joe.

#267 | Posted by jakester at 2021-11-19 06:10 PM | Reply

Biden, who says he did not watch the trial, spoke briefly about the jury's decision. "Look, I stand by what the jury has concluded," Biden said. "The jury system works and we have to abide by it." President Biden called on Americans to protest "peacefully" and follow the law following the jury's verdict in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, which he said left him "angry and concerned."

Sum it up: Didn't watch. It is wrong. Must accept.

Just like all the libs. Have no clue about the case because they didn't listen to any of the testimonies, (but read all the left-leaning articles) but he is guilty and they know all the laws and know better than the jury and the judge.

It is also amazing how race came into this when all the players are white.

#268 | Posted by phinphan at 2021-11-19 06:18 PM | Reply

Of course Biden didn't watch the trial. Trump would have, but Biden treats the presidency like a job and does actual work.

The liberals here know the case far better than the conservatives. They're the ones actually talking about facts.

Speaking of which, I found a credible claim of Rosenbaum rioting. The prosecutor in the Rittenhouse case alleged he tipped over a portajohn and lit a dumpster and trailer on fire.

There's no evidence Huber or Grosskreutz were rioting.

#269 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 06:24 PM | Reply

#267 I guess you were so excited to launch into one of your lengthy ad hominems that you missed my post. Oh well. Hope you had fun typing it!

#270 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-19 06:38 PM | Reply

" A seventeen-year-old gave somebody else money to buy an AR-15 for him because he was too young to own it. And this happened across state lines! And you don't have a problem with it!"

Pointing out that it does not imply guilt of the crimes he was charged with does not imply anything about whether I have a "problem" with it. It's as irrelevant as the fact he broke the law by drinking alcohol or smoking marijuana.

#271 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 06:50 PM | Reply

Pointing out that it does not imply guilt of the crimes he was charged with does not imply anything about whether I have a "problem" with it.

So you have a problem with him using a straw purchase to acquire an AR-15 when he was too young to buy one?

#273 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 07:04 PM | Reply

Thread:

Rittenhouse is a thug. Right wing hero-worship of him is disgusting. GOP members of Congress rush to offer him jobs is obscene. But this case is not about politics, on either side. What matters is the evidence, WI law, and trial standards. Under that, the verdict was correct../1

...before explaining, the biggest villains here are the Kenosha police, who refused to protect protesters by treating right-wing, gun-toting civilians as adjuncts to law enforcement. THAT is where politics& white-wing supremacy should be most condemned - it's institutional &.../2

...allowed for the streets to be filled with thugs like Rittenhouse, whose mere presence created the potential for this. But the presence of these dangerous people was not a crime.

As for Rittenhouse: The most important moment was the first shooting, of Joseph Rosenbaum.../3

Read the rest here: twitter.com

#274 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 07:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As I said, he didn't do anything illegal. After you read your outlets claiming all this stuff that is wrong with the verdict, be just a little objective and go read outlets that aren't on the Left. Just try it out. You will understand everything by doing that because you will actually see both sides...and realize the Left is not giving you everything.

Two things about that before your Liberal head explodes from someone asking you to be objective. 1. It doesn't mean you have to be happy about it. If they can come up with laws that make it illegal to travel to a dangerous zone in times of distress or something like that, then we can make idiots like this hold at least some responsibility for going in the first place. Just don't violently protest. It would be nice if you don't drag down the whole country's attitude while you stew but that's impossible from either side. 2. Consider the fact that the other side also has this problem and now maybe you can practice empathy too. Rep outlets do the exact same thing and their readers refuse to read anything that isn't embossed with a shotgun. The side that starts doing it first is going to end up being in power for a long time.

But no matter gow you look at it, he didn't break any laws as they are written or that he was charged with (maybe some stupid, obscure laws but Dems have already set many legal precedents that those kinds of laws are optional). And the laws apply to anyone so you can't say they are racist in any way. But, if anyone does have proof of an example where a black guy did the same thing and was found guilty, please share. But it has to be the same or your proof of racism can't apply. So far, I haven't found evidence of skin color being a factor in a case like this.

#275 | Posted by humtake at 2021-11-19 07:22 PM | Reply

More from Eichenwald:

Most legitimate criticism of Rittenhouse judge: His failure pre-trial when motion filed to throw out prosecutors best bet for conviction - gun charge -which wouldve let prosecutors appeal his non-precedential interpretation. But he waited until last minute, preventing challenge.

twitter.com

One thing shown in Rittenhouse case is, under "stand your ground" type laws, the one who shoots first - with no need to retreat - gets to claim fear of bodily harm. Had Grosskreutz , who pointed gun at Rittenhouse, pulled the trigger, he'd be the one with self-defense case.

twitter.com

#276 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 07:28 PM | Reply

If they can come up with laws that make it illegal to travel to a dangerous zone in times of distress or something like that, then we can make idiots like this hold at least some responsibility for going in the first place.

There doesn't need to be a law because there were already laws to enforce. The cops could've told the gun bunnies to leave because they were breaking curfew and trespassing on private property they had no permission to protect.

Instead the cops thanked them for being there.

#277 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 07:28 PM | Reply

"But no matter gow you look at it, he didn't break any laws as they are written or that he was charged with"

What about his having someone buy a gun for him that he couldn't purchase for himself? See post #204.

#279 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 07:33 PM | Reply

"I'm absolutely convinced that you are trolling me."

That keeps happening to you. Anyone who challenges you enough, somehow always ends up being a troll.

It's like when you keep having bad roommate after bad roommate.

Eventually it ought to dawn on you that you're the bad roommate.

#280 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-19 07:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sentinel: I'm talking about the trial. You're talking about me. You've posted at least a dozen comments about me so far this week. Who's more likely to be the troll?

#281 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 07:40 PM | Reply

Sum it up:
#268 | POSTED BY PHINPHAN

That's your interpretation of:

"Look, I stand by what the jury has concluded," Biden said. "The jury system works and we have to abide by it."

What were you hoping for?

A cabinet seat?

#282 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-19 07:41 PM | Reply

A cabinet seat?

Secretary of Death Wish has a nice ring to it?

#283 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-11-19 07:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

One explanation for the jury verdict today: Prosecutors needed to show Rittenhouse engaged in unlawful conduct that provoked the attacks, but struggled to do so after the court dismissed the weapon possession charge. I broke it down on today's @Morning_Joe:

twitter.com

#284 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-19 07:54 PM | Reply

Little Kylie and his doting judge daddy
vm.tiktok.com

#285 | Posted by cbob at 2021-11-19 07:57 PM | Reply

Seems most people are lining up to support whichever party to this shooting shared their political views. Though there is a lot of overlap between that paradigm and the debate over stricter gun laws, so who's to say.

My take is that while i've never denied Rittenhouse would skate based on application of law to video hyperanalysis down to individual pixels and frames, if you zoom out, i find it borderline absurd for anyone to claim Kyle's behavior was excusable in a general (non-legal) context when you consider the totality of the circumstances. He didn't just find himself in Kenosha, he went there armed with a very dangerous weapon and just happened to be the type of person nobody at a police brutality protest wants to see. I suspect he may have even familiarized himself with self-defense laws ahead of time and got his wish when he was able to "defend himself" against some liberals.

Not guilty in a legal context, guilty af otherwise.

#286 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-19 08:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Joe: "I suspect he may have even familiarized himself with self-defense laws ahead of time and got his wish when he was able to "defend himself" against some liberals."

Objection, assumes facts not in evidence.

How could a lawyer be wrong about so much in this case?

Go Land Crabs!

#287 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-11-19 08:31 PM | Reply

I made it clear (repeatedly) that I wasn't talking about the law. We don't have to speak in legal terms 24/7, though i realize Kyle fetishists would prefer it that way since that's the only arena in which his behavior is even remotely excusable.

#288 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-19 08:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sucker Carlson has his chair waiting...
POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2021-11-17 09:59 PM

Called it! Show airs on Monday.

#289 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-11-19 08:37 PM | Reply

Kingdom of darkness

#290 | Posted by fresno500 at 2021-11-19 08:42 PM | Reply

I suspect he may have even familiarized himself with self-defense laws ahead of time ...

All it takes these days is "I felt scared he would take my gun."

#291 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 09:03 PM | Reply

If you're one of the aw shucks gee willickers people who thinks Rittenhouse might not turn out to be an awful person after this, he's been working with Tucker Carlson on a documentary throughout the trial.

#293 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 09:27 PM | Reply

I see someone running with a gun, I fear for my life...
and grab my skateboard and chase after him??!!??!!
No... sorry that doesn't pass the sniff test either.
#159 | POSTED BY KWRX25

WTF are you talking about? Plenty of people are interested in playing the hero. JFC, one of them just received a not guilty ruling.

Pay some fnkcing attention, why don't yuh.

#294 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-11-19 09:34 PM | Reply

I sense the next protests will be even more violent. Protestors will bring guns in fear of getting shot by people against the protests. Then all out gunfights will occur. Then the NRA will really win in the end.

#295 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-11-19 09:36 PM | Reply

#293 He needs to start saving his pennies for the wrongful death lawsuits. By then the Kyle fetishists funding his legal s bills will have moved on to their next murderer du jour.

#296 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-19 09:38 PM | Reply

Wrongful death will be harder to get without a conviction. Rittenhouse has just as likely chance of winning a suit against his victim's estates for the cost of the bullets.

#297 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-11-19 09:54 PM | Reply

Time to nuke wisconsin. It's republican cancer is too great now. Needs radiation therapy.

#299 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2021-11-19 10:06 PM | Reply

Wrongful death will be harder to get without a conviction.

The burden of proof is lower in a civil case no matter what happened in the criminal trial.

The civil case also potentially can look at more than the criminal trial did, such as Rittenhouse's association with the Proud Boys, his desire to shoot alleged shoplifters at CVS and his violent assault on a female student.

#300 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 10:13 PM | Reply

True but the negatives of the deceased will also be explored.

#301 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-11-19 10:25 PM | Reply

Sentinel still doesn't want to talk about the trial. He just wants to talk about me, which I deleted.

If he wants to talk about the trial, such as to answer whether he thinks it was wrong for Rittenhouse to use a straw purchase to obtain the AR-15, he can do that.

Instead he's doing what people sometimes do on message boards. They make a big production out of how they are standing up to The Man by annoying the moderator.

Everybody congratulate Sentinel on his achievement.

#302 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 10:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Rcade is pretty firmly on record of them believing they were valiantly chasing down an active shooter arming themselves only with a skateboard.

I view them the same way I view Wendi Winters, who charged an active shooter in her Annapolis newsroom with a trash can and a recycle bin because that's all she had at hand.

It got her killed but it saved the lives of several others.

That is the situation Anthony Huber and Gaige Grosskreutz believed they were in. Just 3-4 minutes before they encountered Kyle Rittenhouse on the street, he shot someone four times and ran.

#303 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-19 10:29 PM | Reply

"Do you think of yourself as sunshine, rainbows and unicorn farts while you carry water for a killer?"

Yeah, that comment was totally about the trial and wasn't personal at all. LOL

#304 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 11:10 PM | Reply

#302 - "...just wants to talk about me... "

I feel your pain.

#305 | Posted by jakester at 2021-11-19 11:10 PM | Reply

For those cafeteria Constitutionalists who scream for vigilante justice, rest assured, Rittenhouse's life as he once knew it is over, and legally. Civil lawsuits will take every dime he earns from here on out, either on lawyers or on settlements. So quit screaming for his extra-judicial death. It makes you look stupid.

#306 | Posted by jakester at 2021-11-19 11:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The irony is he wants to go to college and become a nurse, but rather than let him do something useful with the rest of his life some people would rather turn the Onion article posted earlier into a self-fulfilling prophecy.

#307 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 11:25 PM | Reply

RCADE

"They make a big production out of how they are standing up to The Man by annoying the moderator. Everybody congratulate Sentinel on his achievement."

Subtle. Very subtle. ~ LOL

#308 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-11-19 11:27 PM | Reply

Wrongful death will be harder to get without a conviction.

Not true at all. And even if it were, it's still not cheap to defend, especially when the easy marks who donated to him have been taken by the next grift.

#309 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-19 11:43 PM | Reply

Sentinel still doesn't want to talk about the trial. He just wants to talk about me, which I deleted.

If he wants to talk about the trial, such as to answer whether he thinks it was wrong for Rittenhouse to use a straw purchase to obtain the AR-15, he can do that.

Instead he's doing what people sometimes do on message boards. They make a big production out of how they are standing up to The Man by annoying the moderator.

Everybody congratulate Sentinel on his achievement.

#302 | POSTED BY RCADE

Why don't you just ban his Nazi loving ass?
He's more than earned it. Taking shots at you should be a final nail in his accounts coffin.

I've moderated forums before and banned accounts for less.

#310 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-11-19 11:52 PM | Reply

"If you're one of the aw shucks gee willickers people who thinks Rittenhouse might not turn out to be an awful person after this, he's been working with Tucker Carlson on a documentary throughout the trial."

Whether he turns out to be an awful person after this, or even if he was before the trial, is irrelevant to the gross misconduct and overreach on the part of the prosecution. The jury saw it for it what it was.

#311 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-19 11:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yeah. Give him the LZK treatment.

#312 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-11-19 11:56 PM | Reply

"Why don't you just ban his Nazi loving ass?"

Hey, leave my pet donkey out of this!

"He's more than earned it. Taking shots at you should be a final nail in his accounts coffin.
I've moderated forums before and banned accounts for less."

You were obviously one of those ------- moderators who couldn't even take the slightest constructive criticism without spazzing out and banning everyone who didn't suck your dick. RCade is obviously a bigger man than you and is not as insecure.

#313 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-20 12:01 AM | Reply

"Subtle. Very subtle. ~ LOL"

(-:

#314 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-20 12:01 AM | Reply

#310 - maybe he's not the snowflake you admit to being. Spoken like a true book burner. Maybe if you stick your fingers in your ears and scream "lalalalala" at the top of your lungs, opinions you don't want to hear won't reach your brain.

#315 | Posted by jakester at 2021-11-20 12:03 AM | Reply

"Taking shots at you should be a final nail in his accounts coffin."

The 1st amendment was written just so people could take pot shots at their leaders without repercussion. Why do you hate the first amendment and freedom of speech so much, a_monson?

#316 | Posted by jakester at 2021-11-20 12:16 AM | Reply

"Not true at all. And even if it were, it's still not cheap to defend, especially when the easy marks who donated to him have been taken by the next grift."

He'll be getting plenty of money from the libel and slander lawsuits. Of course, his lawyers will probably keep most of that.

#317 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-20 12:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Yeah. Give him the LZK treatment."

#312 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Is that your initials?

#318 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-11-20 12:48 AM | Reply

"Wrongful death will be harder to get without a conviction."

Not necessarily. See Brown v Simpson.

#319 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-11-20 12:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He'll be getting plenty of money from the libel and slander lawsuits.

Extremely unlikely. He'll be considered a limited public figure and would have to prove false statements were made intentionally and with malice. Proving malice never happens.

Statements in the media about his guilt or innocence of the charges will be treated as protected expressions of opinion.

#320 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-20 01:15 AM | Reply

"If a black guy walked into Kenosha from out of town with an assault rifle and killed two people while severely wounding another we would have had a very different verdict." -- Tim O'Brien on Twitter

#321 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-20 01:21 AM | Reply

Nonsense RCADE. If a black kid came to Kenosha with an AR 15 cops would have killed him no doubt. He wouldn't make it to trial.

#322 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-11-20 01:25 AM | Reply

Rittenhouse Lawyer Says His Client Regrets Going to Kenosha That Night A Hundred Times Over'

At least Kyle the Kid knows it was wrong to go there in the first place. Who am I kidding? Time will tell.

#323 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-11-20 01:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"JFC, one of them just received a not guilty ruling."

One of them wasn't even brought up on charges, even though he was illegally carrying a weapon and was demonstrating hostile intent.

#324 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-20 03:14 AM | Reply

And it begins...

"Portland Rittenhouse protest declared riot; windows smashed, objects thrown at police"

www.msn.com

#325 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-20 03:15 AM | Reply

Lawyers always clean their dirty clients up for the media. I have a feeling that 'All American Boy' in a suit and tie wasn't the REAL Kyle Rittenhouse. We'll see him again when the trauma of facing prison wears off and someone from the Proud Boys fills his head with visions of glory and fame.

#327 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-11-20 03:22 AM | Reply

"Madbomber: Repeatedly making false claims without any effort to back them up is trolling. You've had multiple chances to defend your statement that they were rioters."

That's sort of like asking to defend the moon landings.

There are numerous videos, eyewitness testimonies.

You're not aware of any of this?

I'm leaving in a few minutes to go visit Bastogne, but if you'd like, when I get back, I can find you a timeline of events. Basically this whole thing started when rioters went after Rittenhouse for putting out a fire they had started.

#328 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-20 03:33 AM | Reply

"I have a feeling that 'All American Boy' in a suit and tie wasn't the REAL Kyle Rittenhouse."

Who cares?

Gaige Grosskreutz was human trash with a lengthy criminal record. That wouldn't have mattered one iota had he shot KR in self-defense. Not to me, anyway.

#329 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-20 03:34 AM | Reply

"The cops could've told the gun bunnies to leave because they were breaking curfew and trespassing on private property they had no permission to protect. Instead the cops thanked them for being there."

Maybe that's because the cops felt they might be overmatched by rioters.

Maybe the failure is that the state didn't deploy enough forces or request sufficient forces from the federal government to effectively contain the rioters.

#330 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-20 03:38 AM | Reply

"That is the situation Anthony Huber and Gaige Grosskreutz believed they were in."

Maybe. But all of the three who were killed had extensive histories of violence and long criminal records. And why chase KR if he is retreating? At that point there is no longer an active shooter situation.

#331 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-20 03:43 AM | Reply

Here is a wrap-up of the criminal histories and extremist affiliations of the three rioters.

#332 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-20 03:44 AM | Reply

"Wrongful death will be harder to get without a conviction."

Not necessarily. See Brown v Simpson.

#319 | Posted by Twinpac

Precisely.

Rittenhouse will more likely than not face civil suits which only require a 'preponderance of the evidence' to be successful.

The judge in his criminal trial limited what could be shown from video taken that day. For instance, he disallowed the video of Rittenhouse punching a woman repeatedly as well as anything that wasn't in the immediate time frame of each shooting. Like when he pointed his weapon without being threatened.

Also, disallowing Rittenhouse's victims to be called 'victims' in open court.

Rittenhouse may have gotten $2,000,000 donated for his legal defense and a judge who seemed to put his thumb on the scales of justice but a jury in a civil case will see a whole lot more than those at his criminal trial.

#333 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-11-20 04:12 AM | Reply

It's not Open Season on Ult Right groups at protests. They generally start violence as part of their MO. Now they can be shot whether they are armed or not.

#334 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-11-20 04:27 AM | Reply

"Rittenhouse will more likely than not face civil suits which only require a 'preponderance of the evidence' to be successful."

Cool. Then we can go through all this again while those frivolous lawsuits fail to prove even with a preponderance of evidence that self defense from aggravated assault was a wrongful act.

Unlike Simpson, there's no doubt that Kyle killed Rosenbaum and Huber. The jury exonerated Rittenhouse of those acts by finding they were justified. Simpson did not have that in his defense at the civil trial.
Also, rather than proving a positive statement (e.g. the defendant killed those two people), they'd again be in the position of proving a negative.

#335 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-20 07:55 AM | Reply

#317 Who will he be suing for that? Let me guess, in addition to being an expert on Wisconsin homicide law, you also know everything about defamation?

#336 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-20 08:12 AM | Reply

Maybe that's because the cops felt they might be overmatched by rioters.

You're making excuses for police encouraging armed vigilantes? Utterly depraved.

#337 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-20 08:31 AM | Reply

"Wrongful death will be harder to get without a conviction." How is that not true? Are you trying to say if he was convicted it would be harder?

#339 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-11-20 08:44 AM | Reply

How is that not true?

It's not true because civil trials aren't based on criminal trials and have a significantly lower burden of proof.

#340 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-20 08:51 AM | Reply

You can't follow that if he had been convicted of murder a wrongful death suit would be easier to win? You can't see that? Think about it.

#341 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-11-20 08:54 AM | Reply

It wouldn't matter the way you keep suggesting it would. Civil trials are about the evidence that's allowed to be presented -- which can be more broad than the criminal trial -- and the lower burden of proof.

They aren't just a rerun of the criminal trial.

#342 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-20 09:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Who will he be suing for that? "

For starters, any media outlet who repeatedly insinuated that he broke the law by "crossing state lines", anyone who claimed he was a "white supremacist" (I think Jacob Blake or one of his family members even called him a "self-admitted white supremacist"), and a certain social media giant that labeled him a "dangerous person or organization".

#343 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-20 09:07 AM | Reply

I wish we could poll real lawyers.

All things equal, which case would be easier to win: Wrongful death against a convicted murderer or wrongful death against acquitted due to self defense.

#344 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-11-20 09:10 AM | Reply

For starters ...

You have terrible judgment about the likelihood of winning libel suits against the major media outlets.

No one would ever win a libel suit for an insinuation. He did cross state lines.

He wouldn't win one over being called dangerous. He killed two people. Just because he was acquitted doesn't bring the dead back to life.

He wouldn't win one for being called an associate of white nationalists. He posed for photos flashing white power signs with a hate group:

www.splcenter.org

Even if calling him any of those things was established as untrue, he'd still have to prove actual malice.

#345 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-20 09:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The judge in his criminal trial limited what could be shown from video taken that day. For instance, he disallowed the video of Rittenhouse punching a woman repeatedly"

There's video of him punching a woman on the same day? Or is that just another lie, misrepresenting the social media video of a bitch fight between high school students that was obviously not taken that day and had no relevance to the trial?

Was Mr. Rosenbaum's pedophilia brought up at the trial? (I don't think that was relevant to trial either, BTW.)

"as well as anything that wasn't in the immediate time frame of each shooting. Like when he pointed his weapon without being threatened."

Do you have a link to this alleged video which wasn't shown at the trial?

#346 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-20 09:22 AM | Reply

... misrepresenting the social media video of a bitch fight between high school students ...

You are correct that the school fight was on a different day months earlier than the Kenosha killings.

Punching a girl at school in the head multiple times isn't a great look for him, though. Nor are the patriotic clogs he was wearing.

#347 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-20 09:30 AM | Reply

Unlike Simpson, there's no doubt that Kyle killed Rosenbaum and Huber. The jury exonerated Rittenhouse of those acts by finding they were justified. Simpson did not have that in his defense at the civil trial.
Also, rather than proving a positive statement (e.g. the defendant killed those two people), they'd again be in the position of proving a negative.

#335 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

No.

The Jury found the State didn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Rittenhouse didn't act in self defense. The burden was on the State.

Not the case in a civil trial. And the standards of evidence are a lot more lax in terms of letting anything in.

#348 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-11-20 09:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

With all of the handwringing about the "signal this sends" what is the solution?

Skip a trial by jury? Jump straight to conviction if the defendant is disliked by the left?

#349 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-20 09:37 AM | Reply

"Punching a girl at school in the head multiple times isn't a great look for him, though. Nor are the patriotic clogs he was wearing."

I agree these things make him look like a ----. His orientation and dress sense still aren't relevant.

#350 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-20 09:39 AM | Reply

"With all of the handwringing about the "signal this sends" what is the solution?"

The solution isn't politicizing it like Matt Goetz is doing.

The solution isn't making a killer a folk hero like Deolorables are doing.

#351 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-20 09:51 AM | Reply

"Not the case in a civil trial. And the standards of evidence are a lot more lax in terms of letting anything in."

They'd still have to prove a negative, which is hard to do with even a preponderance of evidence to overcome the videos and already on the record testimony which showed he was acting in self defense. Just adding more red herrings, like some people want to do with the ---------- video, is not likely to do that in a civil trial either, IMO.

#352 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-20 09:52 AM | Reply

The chances of anyone winning a wrongful death suit against Rittenhouse, who was a minor at the time, is much much smaller than anyone winning one against the Kenosha police department, or even his Black friend. Does anyone disagree with that?

#353 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-20 09:58 AM | Reply

The solution isn't politicizing it like Matt Goetz is doing.
The solution isn't making a killer a folk hero like Deolorables are doing.

#351 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-11-20 09:51 AM

Politicizing it? You're joking, right?

That is all much of the media and Democrats have done. Have you seen Rep Cori Bush's comments about the trial? Joy Reid?

Good God, what a bubble you live in.

#354 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-20 10:07 AM | Reply

"Politicizing it? You're joking, right?
That is all much of the media and Democrats have done."

The police and right-wing rhetoric groomed Rittenhouse to be a killer.

You want more kids to act like Rittenhouse, or not?

#355 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-20 10:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You are FOS.

You didn't even address my response - just moved the goalposts with a falsehood and then asked a yes/no question based upon said falsehood.

#356 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-20 10:17 AM | Reply

But whatever. Never let facts get in the way of a good narrative.

#357 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-20 10:17 AM | Reply

"Have you seen Rep Cori Bush's comments about the trial? Joy Reid?"

No, but it doesn't matter.
Trials can become political.
Like Trump's impeachment trial in the Senate.
That was even more biased than this one was!

The judge did a very poor job of making this trial seem fair. Nothing wrong with calling that out.

Trumpers generally think Rittenhouse did something praiseworthy that night, and see the outcome as a good thing. They want more Rittenhouses.

Democrats generally don't.

It's all part and parcel of the GOP being a Death Cult. It all plays into a variety of GOP tropes, including guns keep America safe, Democrats are subhuman trash worthy of extermination, the police need Brownshirts to help America maintain order against the dangerous rioting vermin, the media is biased against Republicans, vigilantes have a place in society, killing shoplifters is justified, conservatives like Rittenhouse are always treated unfairly by the media, and thus the media is an enemy of the American People.

#358 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-20 10:24 AM | Reply

Matt Goetz offered him a job.

He's the one fulfilling The Onion prophecy

Which is what makes it so good. It's funny because it's true.

Rittenhouse is the poster child for the Trump Youth movement.

#359 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-20 10:26 AM | Reply

"Never let facts get in the way of a good narrative."

Killing people is bad. -- Democrats
Killing people is good. -- Republicans.

Which narrative tells your version about what happened that night?

#360 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-20 10:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Have you seen Rep Cori Bush's comments about the trial? Joy Reid?"

Bush and Reid are both severely mentally ill.

#361 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-20 10:50 AM | Reply

He allegedly got away with it because that other shooter got away with it setting a precident. That crudy sombish that looks like Steve Bannon.

#362 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-11-20 11:10 AM | Reply

"as well as anything that wasn't in the immediate time frame of each shooting. Like when he pointed his weapon without being threatened."

Do you have a link to this alleged video which wasn't shown at the trial?
#346 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Don't rush. I'll wait...

#363 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-20 11:18 AM | Reply

"There was never any catharsis to be had here. Whatever happened to Rittenhouse, his victims would still be dead and he would still be a hero to the right. Jails do not rehabilitate; they devour and ruin. Yet without even the merest slap from the jurors, there is no acknowledgement of wrongdoing, no sense that justice has been done. It is obvious - it has been obvious - that the forces that produced Rittenhouse and his forgiving jury and his lenient judge are all the same. They are endemic to American society. There will be other Kyle Rittenhouses."

-David Weigel

pressfrom.info

#364 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-20 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#364 - that is the hard cold truth.

#365 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-20 02:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I agree these things make him look like a ----.

You have an odd idea about how gay men dress. He's wearing Crocs and socks.

twitter.com

#366 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-20 03:44 PM | Reply

Bottom line:

I've read many defenses of the technicalities of the Rittenhouse jury decision, but none of those justify him being celebrated as a hero on the right. That's just pure darkness descending.

twitter.com

#367 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-20 03:57 PM | Reply

He's wearing Crocs and socks.

They should have charged him just for that.

#368 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-11-20 03:58 PM | Reply

Crocs are stupid footwear. There's gotta be something wrong with you to wear them.

#369 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-11-20 04:24 PM | Reply

"They should have charged him just for that."

They might have actually gotten a conviction if they had.

#370 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-20 04:25 PM | Reply

"You're making excuses for police encouraging armed vigilantes? Utterly depraved."

Defending property makes you a vigilante?

#371 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-21 07:40 AM | Reply

Being defenseless waiting for someone to pull you out the fire will result is looking out the chain link fence,...eyes bugged out..skin and bones.

#372 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-11-21 08:37 AM | Reply

PhesterOBoyle says Rittenhouse prevented the Holocaust that night.

You're very special.

#373 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-21 10:34 AM | Reply

"I've read many defenses of the technicalities of the Rittenhouse jury decision, but none of those justify him being celebrated as a hero on the right. That's just pure darkness descending."

Well, consider what the outcome would have been had he been found guilty. Would you prefer an outcome where the decision is that interference with left-wing riots is not allowed, and getting attacked for intervening in left-wing riots negates one's inherent right to self-defense?

Again, had Rittenhouse been a lefty fighting off right-wing extremists, would you still consider this a descent into darkness?

#374 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-21 12:20 PM | Reply

If the verdict was shocking to you, you might need to find more honest sources for your news. Personally, I find it amusing that so many thought Kyle shot black men.

#375 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-11-21 12:51 PM | Reply

"I've read many defenses of the technicalities of the Rittenhouse jury decision, but none of those justify him being celebrated as a hero on the right. That's just pure darkness descending."

Tribal politics is often dark by its nature. One tribe wants take an adolescent kid who was obsessed with social media and inflate his ego even more. Another tribe wants to see (or has no problem seeing) the kid crucified, raped, executed, etc. while lionizing the lynch mob who attacked him.

A pox on both your houses.

#376 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-21 02:46 PM | Reply

One tribe wants take an adolescent kid who was obsessed with social media...

...and killed a bunch of people. Did you forget that part?

#377 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-11-21 02:50 PM | Reply

#376 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2021-11-21 02:46 PM | FLAG: beats off to a picture of Kyle, every night

You're the biggest Rittenhouse fanboy on the DR.

You're literally unable to admit Rittenhouse did anything wrong.

The only thing that would have made you happier is if Rittenhouse was wearing a Swastika armband.

You're sick in the head.

Which. Has always been obvious to anyone reading your posts.

#378 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-21 02:54 PM | Reply

"One tribe wants take an adolescent kid who was obsessed with social media and inflate his ego even more. Another tribe wants to see (or has no problem seeing) the kid crucified, raped, executed, etc. while lionizing the lynch mob who attacked him."

LOL.
One side thinks what happened that day was overall good.
One side thinks what happened that day was overall bad.
And that's the difference.

Even in the most clear cut circumstances, having to kill someone in self defense isn't a good thing to have to do.
Your side doesn't agree with that at all. You think Rittenhouse did America a great service that day.

#379 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-21 03:12 PM | Reply

#377, I'm not going to argue with someone who thinks two people is a bunch of people and is niggling about stuff left out when you left out why he killed them. A pox on your house too.

#380 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-21 03:32 PM | Reply

A pox on your house too.

Don't forget to chill some beer for tomorrow night when you have the Klavern over to watch Sucker Carlson give the punk a tongue bath.

#381 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-11-21 03:54 PM | Reply

"Don't forget to chill some beer for tomorrow night when you have the Klavern over to watch Sucker Carlson give the punk a tongue bath."

Derp.

#382 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-21 07:23 PM | Reply

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