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You do it to Africans all the time.

#1 | Posted by fresno500 at 2021-11-20 06:07 AM | Reply

You confuse me with somebody else.

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-20 10:00 AM | Reply

Yes, it would be great if Democrats would stop insulting progressives, before they lose that entire voting block.

#3 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-11-20 04:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When it comes to voting and candidates if progressives willfully allow Perfection to become the enemy of good they're not even liberals just spoiled children looking for an excuse to pout.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-20 05:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah God forbid progressives stand for something other than status quo. Yep Tor you can be a sell out all you want. Not I. I refuse to play your game.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-11-20 05:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh look Joe Biden is still president and while he's doing great things you Purity ponies can do nothing but nag and complain.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-20 05:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

if progressives willfully allow Perfection to become the enemy of good they're not even liberals

The problem with that approach is that often "Perfection" refers to policies that progressives hold dear; the things that make progressives progressive. From the perspective of progressives, the "Good" is SSDD.

#7 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2021-11-20 07:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2021-11-20 05:02 PM | FLAG:

Unfortunately it usually not perfection being the enemy of the good, so much as perfection being the enemy of merely the lesser evil.

#8 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2021-11-20 10:13 PM | Reply

American politics is, more and more, less and less about policies than pissing off the opposition and giving cretinous yahoos on one's "side" a chance to hoot and howl and stomp their feet. Yes, it's always been there ... but, boy, howdy.

#9 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-11-21 08:47 AM | Reply

"Stop insulting people and expecting them to vote for you"

Why so long-winded?

I prefer the more terse and to the point:
---- Your Feelings.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-21 10:43 AM | Reply

Advocating for progressive policies does not require politicians to talk down to and insult huge swaths of the electorate. I think this is the point of this page.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-21 11:21 AM | Reply

You felt talked down to when you hear things you don't like.

Like when Obama said they cling to religion and their guns.

That offended you, but he wasn't talking down to anyone.

You just hate Obama, so you chose to be offended.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-21 11:28 AM | Reply

#12 the point of this page has clearly flown over your head. No way you actually believe half of the crap I've seen you spew. It's almost impossible to be that ridiculous of a human being.

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-21 11:30 AM | Reply

What? Is this the rage of the day?

Personally I think there is NO point to this page.

Don't pretend there is a problem where there is none. Don't we have enough real problems to deal with in this world that we have to get outraged at a comedian making jokes? And they weren't all that great but I got the jokes.

Bill Maher is not a politician. He is a freakin comedian and an equal opportunity insulter.

Carry on ... with the faux rage of the day.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-11-21 11:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#14 Do you not understand the point being made?

Hillary's dubbing of nearly half of America as a 'basketful of deplorable' likely cost her the election. Ditto for Romney's leaked comments about half of the country being mooches.

Currently, the left is going after parents concerned about their children's education along with women, feminists and others who are concerned about the trans-activist advocacies regarding women's safe spaces and are aghast over what is being advocated (and implemented to a very small degree, so far) regarding women's sports.

There is little nuanced discussion of these issues, just attacks. That kind of crap backfires, which is why I believe Tor created this page.

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-21 12:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Half the country is F**king Na*is. Why do I care about Na*is feelings? They sure as
Hell don't care about mine.

Snoofy has this thread right at least.

But he's mostly an insufferable Troll.

#16 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-11-22 12:13 AM | Reply

Hillary's dubbing of nearly half of America as a 'basketful of deplorable' likely cost her the election.

Is this a joke?

Like the Republicans don't call liberals names.

Get real. Hillary lost for many reasons. The fact that she called you a deplorable is way down on the list.

It's pretty simple.

If you don't want to be labeled as a deplorable then don't act deplorably.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-11-22 12:41 PM | Reply

Find me a person who was going to vote for Hillary, but didn't, based on that.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 12:42 PM | Reply

I like the term deplorables for Trumpers.

It's appropriate.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-22 12:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wish the snowflake right would stop pretending they'd ever consider voting for Democrats if only those Democrats were nicer to them. Dems went so far as to nominate the rightmost candidate imaginable and the right still pretends he's an icky socialist. There is no scenario in which a person who supports Donald ------- Trump is ever, ever, ever voting for any Democrat, ever.

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-22 01:15 PM | Reply

Joe,

The point is they are insulting the middle - the independents. I don't know how old you are so I'm not sure if you are familiar with the term "Reagan Democrats". In his first election Obama accomplished something similar but on a much smaller scale.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 01:25 PM | Reply

The point is they are insulting the middle - the independents.
#21 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Thanks for your concern trolling.

A Rightwing Trumper, advising Democrats about "insulting the middle - the independents."

Independents are morons.

There's no denying the Republican Party only stands for white supremacy and fascism.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-22 01:35 PM | Reply

The point is they are insulting the middle - the independents

I'm not aware of any prominent Democrat doing that. Dems literally elected "the middle" President by choosing Joe Biden.

If you're talking about a few random people on the internet, then yeah, but if someone's going to vote for an authoritarian imbecile just because a Democrat was mean to them on twitter then i'm not sure that person was reachable in the first place.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-22 01:49 PM | Reply

Probably the most recent example I can think of is this attack on parents who are conferenced about what is going on in their kids' schools and are being treated as domestic terrorists for speaking out.

#24 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 01:56 PM | Reply

"treated as domestic terrorists for speaking out."

Not for "speaking out". For screaming, obstructing, and threatening folks on the dais.

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-22 02:02 PM | Reply

#25 that was the behavior of every single parent?

Further, to the extent that has happened, how is that not a local issue but a Fed issue?

Going even further how do we reach a point where protective mama bear is labeled a domestic terrorist and has the unPatriot Act unleashed upon them?

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 02:09 PM | Reply

"that was the behavior of every single parent?"

Every one labeled a domestic terrorist.

Discussion is fine. Disruption for disruption's sake, with accompanying threats, is domestic terrorism. The low end of the spectrum, I'll admit, but it all comes down to threatening folks for doing their jobs.

You know...like election officials, or health care workers.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-22 02:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The point is they are insulting the middle - the independents.
#21 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You think you're in the middle, huh?
I suppose by the standards of your Alt-Right Discord group, you are in the middle.
Enjoy that cookie!

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 02:27 PM | Reply

Probably the most recent example I can think of is this attack on parents who are conferenced about what is going on in their kids' schools and are being treated as domestic terrorists for speaking out.

The fact that you need to flagrantly lie to make your "point" shows that you have no point at all, and at best are duped by the media you choose to consume.

Merrick Garland issued a memo stating that the FBI would investigate "threats against school board administrators, board members, teachers, and staff." His memo expressly limited itself to "threats of violence" and "efforts to intimidate."

Any claim by you that this is an "attack on independents" is a smear of independents, who do not engage in threats of violence over rightwing disinformation campaigns.

#29 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-22 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"for speaking out."

For speaking out of turn, making threats, showing up armed, and completely ignoring the rules of civil discourse.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 02:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Honestly, the fact that the AG can't even say he will investigate threats of violence against school administrators without the rightwing media ecosystem turning it into a narrative about a "war on parents" just tells you how lost we are as a country.

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-22 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#29. The directive was given at the behest of the NSBA. This organization has apologized but even that wasn't enough for states like Georgia and Illinois - very appalled by this.

But then, I don't limit my news consumption to big media outlets that all are on the left, so I'm likely better informed on this because I take the time and Effie to diversify where I get my information.

#32 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 02:42 PM | Reply

The directive was given at the behest of the NSBA

Who cares? The critical point is what's in the memo itself, something you either haven't bothered to read or insist on lying about. And then you have the gall to brag about how informed you are. Really pathetic stuff, Jeff.

#33 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-22 02:47 PM | Reply

#31 Republicans, Independents, and Libertarians can't help but view themselves as unfairly maligned victims.

Their victim mentality fuels the right-wing mindset.

There always has to be some boogeyman out to get them. From Mexicans to School Boards to replacing Freon and incandescent bulbs.

Just look at the victims we have on the DR. They were banned from the site, and they can't help but come back to be victims at us.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Who cares?

You don't? A politically-connected organization colluding with the DOJ to tap the FBI to go after pesky parents concerned about their children? And the DOJ obliging? Why did the NSBA even bother to apologize? Why did Georgia and Illinois even bother severing ties with the NSBA over this?

#35 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 02:58 PM | Reply

-If you don't want to be labeled as a deplorable then don't act deplorably.

If you don't want to be labeled a mooch, then don't act like a mooch?

same advice for the moochers as the deplorables?

It's usually never a single mistake that determines the outcome of an election.....but I would agree that the deplorable comment from Hillary was at least as damming as the moocher comment for Romney.

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-22 03:01 PM | Reply

The victim mentality is just dripping off #35.

The NSBA apologized that "There was no justification for some of the language included in this letter."

You won't see any right-wing parents apologizing for their unjust language.
They'll just keep lying and lying and lying about what CRT is.
They smell blood in the water.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 03:02 PM | Reply

The broader point is - on topic - this comes across as portraying parents who aren't in-line with whatever the left wants to insert into K-12 as enemies and thus domestic terrorists. Insulting huge swaths of the country. I don't know why I even bother. As a (small "L") libertarian, Democrat policies and culture wars are incredibly toxic and damaging. If they want to shoot themselves in the foot by insulting and demeaning huge numbers of people then I should give them the rope to hang themselves for free.

Seriously - keep it going. Keep demonizing parents over their children's education. Keep pushing racial division. Keep attacking and tearing down all of the gains women have made over the past several decades. Keep doing all of it, and then scream that Democracy has ended when your side loses elections.

#38 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 03:03 PM | Reply

At some point dems should start acting like republicans are the treasonous scum that they are

#39 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-11-22 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trumpers 2016: "Fkkk your feelings!"

Trumpers 2021: "Stop insulting us!"

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-22 03:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There's no denying the Republican Party only stands for white supremacy and fascism.
#22 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-11-22 01:35 PM | FLAG: Don't take me seriously...I'm just ------- with people

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-22 03:07 PM | Reply

#39 and #40 I have some rope - I am willing to give it to you for free.

#42 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 03:07 PM | Reply

"The broader point is - on topic - this comes across as portraying parents who aren't in-line with whatever the left wants to insert into K-12 as enemies and thus domestic terrorists."

Only when they make threats and show up to school board meetings with guns.

I'm fine with calling that behavior terrorism. Aren't you? Intimidation and threat of violence to achieve a desired political outcome fits the definition.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 03:08 PM | Reply

Keep demonizing parents over their children's education.

If the parents are Trumpers, they shouldn't be given any consideration.

Trumpers are the stupidest, most gullible people in America.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-22 03:08 PM | Reply

I have some rope
#42 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I doubt it.

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-22 03:09 PM | Reply

"Keep demonizing parents over their children's education."

They're not being demonized, and it's not over their children's education.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I like the term deplorables for Trumpers.

It's appropriate.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack

Appropriate, but, politically, incredibly stupid. It gave them something to rally around, almost a point of pride.

ou don't? A politically-connected organization colluding with the DOJ to tap the FBI to go after pesky parents concerned about their children? And the DOJ obliging? Why did the NSBA even bother to apologize? Why did Georgia and Illinois even bother severing ties with the NSBA over this?

#35 | Posted by BellRinger

They're not interested in "concerned parents", they're concerned with the kind of ass--les that terrorize school board members and administrators because they disagree or feel their privilege slipping. Death threats go well beyond "concern" and fall more into the "terrorism" category.

#47 | Posted by morris at 2021-11-22 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-If you don't want to be labeled as a deplorable then don't act deplorably.
If you don't want to be labeled a mooch, then don't act like a mooch?
#36 | POSTED BY EBERLY

If you don't want to be labeled a Trumper, don't be a Republican!

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

this comes across as portraying parents who aren't in-line with whatever the left wants to insert into K-12 as enemies and thus domestic terrorists

Only if you grossly misrepresent and exaggerate the actual language and scope of the memo.

Which it seems you are wedded to doing.

I don't argue with disinformation peddlers. You're either duped or a willful liar.

#49 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-22 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Only if you grossly misrepresent and exaggerate the actual language and scope of the memo.

This is from the NSBA:

The National School Boards Association has apologized to its members for its letter last month to President Joe Biden in which the group sought federal help in countering threats, harassment, and violence targeting school officials and said that some of the actions could be classified as "domestic terrorism" or hate crimes.

In a Friday letter to NSBA members, the group stated that while the safety of its members and schools in general was its top priority, "There was no justification for some of the language included in the letter. We should have had a better process in place to allow for consultation on a communication of this significance."

www.edweek.org

Why apologize?

#50 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 03:19 PM | Reply

"Why apologize?"

Can't you read?
It's because "There was no justification for some of the language included in the letter."
You teach your kids never to apologize, right? Apologize is an admission of guilt, and you should never admit that you're guilty.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 03:21 PM | Reply

Again.

You still haven't read the memo.

Go read it and tell me what you don't like about what it says, or shut the ---- up.

#52 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-22 03:22 PM | Reply

Oh, I've read the memo, Joe.

I know exactly what it says.

I also know that the feds are sticking their noses into a situation where they don't have jurisdiction, all because the NSBA played heavy with Garland and he of course acquiesced.

#53 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 03:28 PM | Reply

As of November 18th, 26 states have distanced themselves from the NSBA's letter:

Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

defendinged.org

Now, why would all of these states, some of them blue, distance themselves from this letter that served as the predicate for the Garland memo designating parents as domestic terrorists?

#54 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 03:31 PM | Reply

My guess is they didn't want to give Deplorables even more ginned-up reasons to disrupt school board meetings.

What's yours?

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 03:41 PM | Reply

"I also know that the feds are sticking their noses into a situation where they don't have jurisdiction"

They have jurisdiction.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 03:42 PM | Reply

www.masspoliticsprofs.org

Defendinged is a Koch connected private school organization. It's a garbage pile of stuff. Typical Jeffy material

#57 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-11-22 03:50 PM | Reply

Jeff claims the Biden administration is attacking independents.

The only example he can offer of that is Merrick Garland saying he will investigate threats of violence against teachers.

This is how ridiculous the American right has become.

#58 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-22 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The sooner the Baby Boomer generation dies off the saner America will be. Too many old people with selfish short term perspectives voting in massive numbers. The younger generation does not stand a chance.

#59 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-11-22 04:04 PM | Reply

Defendinged is a Koch connected private school organization. It's a garbage pile of stuff. Typical Jeffy material

#57 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2021-11-22 03:50 PM

Are you saying that those school districts did NOT distance themselves from the NSBA letter?

Attacking the source isn't an argument - it's lazy.

#60 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 04:12 PM | Reply

#58 Joe - I've got no time for that level of dishonesty.

Nevertheless, I do hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

#61 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 04:13 PM | Reply

#61 There was nothing dishonest about what i said. Any perceived dishonesty is a result of you having no clue what you're talking about.

#62 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-22 05:47 PM | Reply

the Garland memo designating parents as domestic terrorists?
#54 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

And this guy calls other people dishonest.

Scum.

#63 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-22 05:48 PM | Reply

And this guy calls other people dishonest.
Scum.

POSTED BY JOE AT 2021-11-22 05:48 PM | REPLY

It's Jeffy what do you expect?

#64 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-11-22 05:52 PM | Reply

#62 What you said is a dishonest summation of the point I am making.

#65 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 05:53 PM | Reply

And this guy calls other people dishonest

Oh jeez. Joe might squirt a few.

The FBI does not have jurisdiction over local issues. The Garland memo was issued at the behest of the NSBA which has has received substantial blowback for the letter it issued to the DOJ. You ignore ALL of that.

Is it fun being serially dishonest? Again - why did the NSBA (and by proxy the DOJ) receive so much backlash over this? Or, are you going to pretend this is all normal and no backlash actually occurred?

#66 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 05:57 PM | Reply

But seriously - here is more rope. PLEASE keep going after parents over their children's education. Keep doing it. Over and over and over. Then proclaim the end of Democracy when your candidates lose democratic elections.

#67 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 05:58 PM | Reply

"Again - why did the NSBA (and by proxy the DOJ) receive so much backlash over this?"

You've asked that question enough times that you must have an answer in mind.
Well?

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 05:59 PM | Reply

"PLEASE keep going after parents over their children's education"

Nobody is doing that.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 06:01 PM | Reply

#69 they sure as heck are!

#70 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 06:02 PM | Reply

The FBI does not have jurisdiction over local issues

Every crime happens somewhere local, dingus. Threats of violence occurring nationwide, at some point, cease to be merely local issues.

The Garland memo was issued at the behest of the NSBA

Never heard of them and don't care who they are. The memo itself is not objectionable in any sense. Which is why you insist on discussing everything other than the content of the memo.

why did the NSBA (and by proxy the DOJ) receive so much backlash over this?

Because the American right has become a party of terrorists, and its media wing is highly successful in lying to people like you?

#71 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-22 06:14 PM | Reply

#53 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Given how poorly (intentionally?) you understand the Russia reports I don't think bragging about having read the memo is going to sway anyone.

#72 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 06:15 PM | Reply

Give us some examples of the people going after parents over their children's education.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 06:15 PM | Reply

PLEASE keep going after parents over their children's education.

The Garland memo merely states that threats of violence against school administrators will be investigated. Why are you so insistent on rounding that up several orders of magnitude to "going after parents over their kids' education?"

And more generally, why are you so opposed to threats of violence against school administrators being investigated?

#74 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-22 06:18 PM | Reply

This memo?

www.justice.gov

Where does it call anyone a domestic terrorist?

And, as expected, your reading comprehension sucks.

How do I know? Because you still seem mystified at what the FBI would be doing when it spells it out clearly in the memo.

Just admit it, you didn't read it, did you?

#75 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 06:20 PM | Reply

What you said is a dishonest summation of the point I am making.

You claimed Biden is going after independents. When pressed for an example, the only thing you've come up with is a memo that says threats of violence against school administrators will be investigated.

#58 is patently accurate and you have said nothing to refute it.

#76 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-22 06:21 PM | Reply

#67 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You do realize that the vast majority of "people going after kid's education" is made up right wing --------, right?

Of course you don't. You guzzle that ---- by the gallon and then try to act as if you're a moderate independent centrist.

#77 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 06:21 PM | Reply

Every crime happens somewhere local, dingus. Threats of violence occurring nationwide, at some point, cease to be merely local issues.

Nice rationalization.

Never heard of them and don't care who they are. The memo itself is not objectionable in any sense. Which is why you insist on discussing everything other than the content of the memo.

Of course you don't care. The NSBA is a leftwing organization. That they were able to cajole the DOJ to do their bidding is clearly of no concern to you, because you agree with their politics. Big picture - the memo is intended to instill fear into parents who object to the tenets of CRT being incorporated into their children's education.

Because the American right has become a party of terrorists, and its media wing is highly successful in lying to people like you?

The backlash is coming across the board? Why? Because even parents who are liberal don't want their kids being taught to become racists.

You are unwittingly proving the point of this thread - parents opposing the insertion of CRT orthodoxy into their children's education means the parents are the party of terrorists.

Like I said, here is more rope. I'm altruistic. I'll give you and your ilk as much rope as you want.

#78 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 06:22 PM | Reply

Ah. Here comes the smarter-than-everyone JPW to wow is with his self-perceived brilliance.

The backlash happened. It was far from just right-wing terrorists - whom you all probably believe should be mowed down with automatic weapons Tiananmen square style - who have been pushing back.

Trying to insert CRT into schools and when parents object treating them as domestic terrorists is absolutely proving the main thrust of this page.

Again, by all means, keep going down this road.

#79 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 06:27 PM | Reply

Given how poorly (intentionally?) you understand the Russia reports I don't think bragging about having read the memo is going to sway anyone.

#72 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-11-22 06:15 PM

Says the guy who still believes the Steel Dossier is credible.

#80 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 06:30 PM | Reply

Nice rationalization.

Thanks. Your lack of rebuttal is noted.

The NSBA is a leftwing organization. That they were able to cajole the DOJ to do their bidding is clearly of no concern to you

If "their bidding" is a notice that threats of violence against teachers and public officials will be investigated, why should i object to that?

the memo is intended to instill fear into parents who object to the tenets of CRT being incorporated into their children's education

So long as those objections do not take the form of a threat of violence (which was a crime prior to the Garland memo, btw), those parents are in the clear.

The backlash is coming across the board

No it isn't. In fact, i've never heard a person who doesn't gargle Tucker Carlson's ----- say a peep about CRT or the Garland memo. And any few who have are highly unfortunate dupes of disinformation. Which is more than i can say for you.

parents opposing the insertion of CRT orthodoxy into their children's education means the parents are the party of terrorists

Rounding up "we will investigate crimes" to "you're waging war on parents" means you are doing the bidding of terrorists and criminals.

here is more rope

Keep it and neck yourself, you irredeemable dunce.

#81 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-22 06:32 PM | Reply

You do realize that the vast majority of "people going after kid's education" is made up right wing --------, right?

He helps spread it.

Because he's either really stupid.

Or intentionally missing the point, on every thread, in order to continue posting made up rightwing bullshht.

#82 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-22 06:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Says the guy who still believes the Steel Dossier is credible."

The parts of the Steele Dossier that are true, are they no longer credible?

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 06:37 PM | Reply

Discussion is fine.

Discussion is fine, until they start making policy and just ignoring your "discussion".

#84 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-22 07:00 PM | Reply

The correct response to "making policy" is violence?

Thanks for proving my point that rightwingers are terrorists.

#85 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-22 07:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Discussion is fine, until they start making policy and just ignoring your "discussion".
#84 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Who's ignoring what?

Are you talking about the asinine belief that CRT is being taught in grade schools?

Then yes. They should be ignored.

Conservatives aren't against indoctrinating kids.

They're just eager to control the message.

#86 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-22 07:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Discussion is fine, until they start making policy and just ignoring your "discussion".
#84 | POSTED BY BOAZ

That's fine too, though.
You can't always get what you want.

What you describe above is how Trump governs. Shoots from the gut. Like on COVID where he ignored all his military, intelligence, and economic advisors.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 07:47 PM | Reply

"Are you talking about the asinine belief that CRT is being taught in grade schools?"

If we didn't teach American history as a white savior myth in grade school, there wouldn't be such a need for CRT to begin with.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 08:12 PM | Reply

So, the thrust of this page is a plea to Democrats to not insult people who might vote for them.

At the top of the page people are indignant that Democrats don't insult voters.

I point out an example -

Let's back things up a couple of years. 2018 and 2019 things are humming along. The economy is really strong and people are mostly in a pretty decent place. Then 2020 comes and we have a global pandemic. The reaction is lockdowns and virtual learning for kids. The virtual learning carries on for over a year and parents, who are now working more and more from home, are able to hear what is being taught in the classroom. Some of it - the racialist stuff is extremely alarming. Here are some basic facts about parents that are almost universally true:

Parents love their children
Parents want what is best for their children
Parents are protective of their children

So, as parents hear some teachers in some districts inserting toxic "anti-racism" in their kids' classrooms they react initially with alarm. They approach their school boards and convey their concerns. In some cases they are treated as an enemy. The back and forth ensues from there. We are then treated to a completely befuddled response. "CRT isn't on the curriculum." "CRT is a legal theory for law schools." "These reactionary parents just don't want slavery and Jim Crow being taught." "Etc." It's mostly extremely dishonest and insulting. The parental opposition grows, mostly because of what parents are personally witnessing when they are able to listen in on virtual classrooms. They bristle because they love their children and are protective and are aghast at what they are witnessing firsthand. They become increasingly vocal and in certain instances (very few specifics are ever given from outfits like the NSBA other than 'threats of violence'). So, the politically-connected NSBA goes to the DOJ and gets the DOJ to craft a memo ordering the FBI to investigate these threats and utilize the Patriot Act - placing Mohammed Attah and Susie Q Mom in the same class. A big backlash results with school districts in 26 states distancing themselves from the letter the NSBA drafted to the DOJ which served as the predicate for their memo to the FBI to insert itself into local matters. The NSBA issues a formal apology about their letter to the DOJ out of necessity. Of course, the DOJ has not followed suit and instructed the FBI to back off.

All of this is extremely insulting and infuriating to parents who care deeply about their children's education. Throw in civil libertarians who rightly distrust the powers of the state being employed against ordinary people quite possibly for political reasons. This is an abuse of the Patriot Act which is, by itself an abuse of our civil liberties under the banner of keeping us safe.

This is the exact type of thing that this page is referring to - and y'all want to double and triple down. Have at it. Lose big in the process and proclaim the death of democracy because you define democracy as your preferred candidates winning.

#89 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 08:15 PM | Reply

"They bristle because they love their children and are protective and are aghast at what they are witnessing firsthand."

What are they witnessing, exactly?
What made these loving parents aghast?

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 08:18 PM | Reply

#90 Go ahead and ask them instead of treating them like criminals.

#91 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 08:19 PM | Reply

"All of this is extremely insulting and infuriating to parents who care deeply about their children's education."

See Also:
Gay marriage is extremely insulting and infuriating to parents who care deeply about their children's morals.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 08:19 PM | Reply

"#90 Go ahead and ask them instead of treating them like criminals."

I'm asking you. You said this happened. What exactly happened?

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 08:19 PM | Reply

The parental backlash is real. It's not a result of parents being lied to by Fox or whatever boogeyman you are pushing. It's a result of what they are seeing and hearing firsthand.

#94 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 08:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You're dodging the question.

If you can't say what made them so mad, then just say so.

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 08:38 PM | Reply

"It's not a result of parents being lied to by Fox or whatever boogeyman you are pushing."

Oh, but it is.

They've interviewed numerous people who can't even say what CRT is.

So where did they get the idea that CRT is bad -- while not knowing what CRT is.

The answer is obvious: Someone they trust told them what to think.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 08:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The parental backlash is real."

It is.
It's so real the FBI got involved.

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 08:41 PM | Reply

" where did they get the idea that CRT is bad -- while not knowing what CRT is."

Doesn't matter. They know what they heard and it was toxic. And the response from the left is to belittle them and regard them as criminals. Thus the backlash grows. In 2022 the GOP is going to hang CRT around the necks of Democrats like an albatross.

#98 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 08:47 PM | Reply

Says the guy who still believes the Steel Dossier is credible.

#80 | Posted by BellRinger

Not at all.

But thanks for proving my point.

#99 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:00 PM | Reply

Trying to insert CRT into schools and when parents object treating them as domestic terrorists is absolutely proving the main thrust of this page.

Again, by all means, keep going down this road.

#79 | Posted by BellRinger

I'm not smarter than everyone.

Just you.

You regurgitate this ---- as if it's true because you read it in the Washington Examiner or Epoch Times.

You show with every post that you lack critical thinking skills and are really just a gullible mark usually referred to as a "useful idiot."

Who cares about the backlash. It's not an indicator of anything other than most parents are proving themselves too stupid to be 100% in control of what their kids learn.

And I don't have to be that smart to see that.

#100 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If "their bidding" is a notice that threats of violence against teachers and public officials will be investigated, why should i object to that?

Because that's what Jeffy is really angry about.

That school boards are actually pushing back against the types of ---- that perpetrated 1/6. People who he clearly supports (along with their methods) but is too ----------- to openly say it.

Has he even denounced threats and intimidation against school boards and teachers? Or is he going to come back with "it's self-evident that I'm against it" without ever actually explicitly saying he's against it?

#101 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:06 PM | Reply

Discussion is fine, until they start making policy and just ignoring your "discussion".

#84 | Posted by boaz

You mean like the GOP "discussing" voter fraud and using that "discussion" to ignore votes they deem "fraudulent"?

You know why you guys aren't taken seriously on this? Because you support the destruction of our democratic practices and institutions while whining about things like CRT that aren't real issues to anyone with two neurons to rub together.

But you're also the guy who if shown explicitly is wrong continue on with "well you libruls were gonna do it anyway."

True discussion is wasted on you guys.

#102 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Conservatives aren't against indoctrinating kids.

They're just eager to control the message.

#86 | Posted by ClownShack

Bingo.

#103 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:12 PM | Reply

Lose big in the process and proclaim the death of democracy because you define democracy as your preferred candidates winning.

#89 | Posted by BellRinger

You don't have an honest bone in your body.

#104 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Go ahead and ask them instead of treating them like criminals.

#91 | Posted by BellRinger

If they aren't threatening school board members or teachers they have nothing to worry about, right?

Why do you have to resort to hysterics to make it sound like any parent who voices an opinion on their child's education is on their way to Gitmo?

It's asinine and a perfect example of why our country is so f&^%ed.

#105 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Who cares about the backlash. It's not an indicator of anything other than most parents are proving themselves too stupid to be 100% in control of what their kids learn."

That's not the argument being made. Parents who want that much control home school. But again, you psychoanalyze parents as too stupid to know when attempts are being made by taxpayer funded institutions to teach their young impressionable children into being racists.

#106 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 09:20 PM | Reply

It's not a result of parents being lied to by Fox or whatever boogeyman you are pushing. It's a result of what they are seeing and hearing firsthand.

#94 | Posted by BellRinger

LOL FF!

You're so full of ----.

#107 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:20 PM | Reply

#105 do you not see the problem with the DOJ acting as the Heavy for the NSBA?

Who am I kidding? Of course you don't.

#108 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 09:22 PM | Reply

#107. Who do parents believe? The self proclaimed smartest person of all time or their lying ears and eyes?

#109 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 09:23 PM | Reply

you psychoanalyze parents as too stupid to know when attempts are being made by taxpayer funded institutions to teach their young impressionable children into being racists.

#106 | Posted by BellRinger

Because most are.

The majority of this is loud idiots who are taking more cues from right wing BS media who knowingly push a false agenda.

School boards themselves have explicitly told parents who were sounding off in meetings that CRT is not part of the curriculum. Doesn't matter, though. Tucker told them so!

#110 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:24 PM | Reply

" You don't have an honest bone in your body.

#104 | POSTED BY JPW"

How many comments from mainstream outlets do you need me to post stating if the GOP wins in 22 and 24 that it will be the end of democracy? Get out of your bubble, Coppernicus. Diversify your news consumption.

#111 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 09:26 PM | Reply

do you not see the problem with the DOJ acting as the Heavy for the NSBA?

Who am I kidding? Of course you don't.

#108 | Posted by BellRinger

You're such a hysterical little bitch.

The memo says nothing close to that.

It states they'll do what they do on countless other things-work with local US attorneys and law enforcement to plan and strategize how to deal with threats.

Or would you rather wait until someone shoots up a school board meeting before unified action is taken?

#112 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:26 PM | Reply

#110. Right. Again, who do they believe? You or their lying ears and eyes?

#113 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 09:27 PM | Reply

Who do parents believe? The self proclaimed smartest person of all time or their lying ears and eyes?

#109 | Posted by BellRinger

Yawn.

The right has become the part of malignant narcissism. There isn't a single topic you tools won't insist you're informed enough on to have so much confidence in your opinions.

Which are usually just what you heard on right wing media. More often than not, you can google statements and get exact quotes that aren't far off.

#114 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:29 PM | Reply

I hope someone is monitoring these people:

We are going to find your houses': Woman leaves profane threat for school board over mask mandate (audio)

www.alternet.org

#115 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-22 09:29 PM | Reply

How many comments from mainstream outlets do you need me to post stating if the GOP wins in 22 and 24 that it will be the end of democracy? Get out of your bubble, Coppernicus. Diversify your news consumption.

#111 | Posted by BellRinger

In the US it likely will be.

Only a willfully blind idiot denies that.

Or a ----------- partisan who wants it to happen but can't admit it.

#116 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Granted, the NEA ended up backing off, but this happened this year:

On June 30, members of the National Education Association, the nation's largest teachers' union, voted to approve a plan to promote critical race theory in all 50 states. Union delegates representing 3 million public school employees approved funding for three separate items related to "increasing the implementation" of "critical race theory" in K-12 curricula; promoting critical race theory in 14,000 local school districts; and attacking opponents of critical race theory, including parent organizations and conservative research centers.
The public vote represents a significant strategic pivot. For the past month, many liberal pundits and activists have insisted that critical race theory is not taught in K-12 schools. This was always a bad-faith claim; the ideology has made inroads in public schools for more than a decade. But the NEA's official endorsement puts the final nail in the coffin of this rhetorical dodge.

www.city-journal.org

#117 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 09:33 PM | Reply

In the US it likely will be.

Only a willfully blind idiot denies that.

Or a ----------- partisan who wants it to happen but can't admit it.

#116 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-11-22 09:31 PM

I applaud your honesty - you define Democracy as your preferred candidates winning and if they lose that means the end of Democracy.

It's a weird position. Wholly illogical, actually. But whatever.

#118 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 09:34 PM | Reply

Or would you rather wait until someone shoots up a school board meeting before unified action is taken?

#112 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-11-22 09:26 PM |

As if that has even come close to happening.

#119 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 09:35 PM | Reply

"I Don't Want to Die for It": School Board Members Face Rising Threats

Across the country, parents have threatened board members and vandalized their homes. One board member scans his driveway before walking to his car.

www.nytimes.com

#120 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-22 09:39 PM | Reply

Who cares about the backlash. It's not an indicator of anything other than most parents are proving themselves too stupid to be 100% in control of what their kids learn.

And I don't have to be that smart to see that.

#100 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-11-22 09:03 PM | REPLY

Right. Because children really belong to the State, eh Comrade?

#121 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 09:40 PM | Reply

Death threats, online abuse, police protection: School board members face dark new reality

www.washingtonpost.com

#122 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-11-22 09:40 PM | Reply

I applaud your honesty - you define Democracy as your preferred candidates winning and if they lose that means the end of Democracy.

It's a weird position. Wholly illogical, actually. But whatever.

#118 | Posted by BellRinger

So much so you have to dishonesty represent it.

I'm for elections deciding who wins.

Not the losers and their base concocting fabricated BS about fraud and then using that BS to exert control over elections and undercut or intimidate officials.

You and your party are not on the right side of this, no matter how much you lie, distort and deflect.

#123 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Right. Because children really belong to the State, eh Comrade?

#121 | Posted by BellRinger

Jesus you're an idiot.

Unfortunately par for the rightwing course of idiot parents who think they're smart enough to demand (not ask, but demand) their ignorance be taken dead seriously.

#124 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:45 PM | Reply

As if that has even come close to happening.

#119 | Posted by BellRinger

How could you possibly know that?

No one before 1/6 thought we had ever come close to having our capitol stormed by our own fellow citizens to try and prevent the peaceful transfer of power between Presidential administrations.

Until it did happen.

And tools like you have done everything possible to avoid admitting it.

Which is what you'll if a few school board members end up dead at the hands of a deranged parent.

#125 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:46 PM | Reply

I agree that most of these parents are overreacting.

And there is no justification for threats of violence of any kind.

But I think this will settle down.

For crying out loud though ... ... democracy isn't going anywhere.

This nation has experienced much worse times.

#126 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-22 09:48 PM | Reply

I'm for elections deciding who wins.

Yet you said if Republicans win then it means the end of Democracy.

Unfortunately par for the rightwing course of idiot parents who think they're smart enough to demand (not ask, but demand) their ignorance be taken dead seriously.

#124 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-11-22 09:45 PM

So your argument is 100% of the parents who are pushing back at what they see as racist toxic indoctrination of their children in certain districts are wrong. Every. Single. One. Completely wrong and stupid to boot.

Think about the corner you just painted yourself into, if you are smart enough...

#127 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 09:48 PM | Reply

But I think this will settle down.

I hope you are right. Seriously.

#128 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 09:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This nation has experienced much worse times.
#126 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2021-11-22 09:48 PM

Agreed. But to tools like JPW, we haven't. After all 1/6 wasn't just contemptible and condemnable (pretty much universally agree on) it was far worse than anything we've seen since the Civil War.

#129 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 09:52 PM | Reply

For crying out loud though ... ... democracy isn't going anywhere.

This nation has experienced much worse times.

#126 | Posted by eberly

Sticking your head in the sand won't make your preferred reality true.

Republicans are positioning themselves in a way such that they can't lose.

At the same time they're venturing further and further from reality to justify their next moves. It's become a radicalization feed-forward cycle that's gotten so bad it's weeding out any and all officials at local, state and federal levels who could exert a braking effect on it.

#130 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#130 already setting the narrative that if the -------- candidates and policies he supports fail than Democracy has failed. Pathetic.

#131 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 09:56 PM | Reply

Better listen to him, Eberly. He's the smartest person of all-time. Just ask him. He knows more about rearing your children than you do.

#132 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 09:57 PM | Reply

I think there is some frustration over the reality that this country isn't placing the level of significance it should (according to JPW and others) on to 1/6.

And it fades more every day. The GOP appearing to move on from it pretending it was nothing was expected.

But it's fading everywhere.

#133 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-22 09:58 PM | Reply

Yet you said if Republicans win then it means the end of Democracy.

If they use their power to discard results they don't like with phony fraud accusations as a rationale that's not winning.

So your argument is 100% of the parents who are pushing back at what they see as racist toxic indoctrination of their children in certain districts are wrong. Every. Single. One. Completely wrong and stupid to boot.

I think it's a typical situation we see play out frequently.

Much of it is hype driven by a few instances that people see in the news.

Those instances are pushed as a new norm, buzzwords are attached to allow for easy and constant fear mongering and the boogeyman grows to the extent that even when school boards and teachers say it's not happening in their schools or classrooms parents push anyway.

Also, if you're going to try for lame gotcha attempts you should probably accurately paraphrase the argument to begin with.

#134 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 09:58 PM | Reply

Agreed. But to tools like JPW, we haven't. After all 1/6 wasn't just contemptible and condemnable (pretty much universally agree on) it was far worse than anything we've seen since the Civil War.

#129 | Posted by BellRinger

Citizens attacking our own institutions.

That one detail makes them worse than an attack from enemies without.

BTW you don't even think it was contemptible or "condemnable" so what are you whining about?

#135 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 10:00 PM | Reply

already setting the narrative that if the -------- candidates and policies he supports fail than Democracy has failed. Pathetic.

#131 | Posted by BellRinger

STFU you dishonest sack of ----.

#136 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 10:01 PM | Reply

-BTW you don't even think it was contemptible or "condemnable" so what are you whining about?

He just said he thought it was.

#137 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-22 10:03 PM | Reply

For crying out loud though ... ... democracy isn't going anywhere.
This nation has experienced much worse times.
#126 | Posted by eberly

Not in anyone here's lifetime it hasn't.

#138 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 10:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think there is some frustration over the reality that this country isn't placing the level of significance it should (according to JPW and others) on to 1/6.

And it fades more every day. The GOP appearing to move on from it pretending it was nothing was expected.

But it's fading everywhere.

#133 | Posted by eberly

Because Americans are idiots with short sight and memories. Give them a TV and some high fat, high fructose corn syrup laden junk food and they'll go along with anything.

And of course the GOP is moving on from it, some of them played a significant part in it happening.

Finally, it's no surprise people like you and jeffy are as blind and dumb as you are. There is ample historical precedence for significant portions of citizenry to do nothing and claim ignorance when bad things have occurred.

You two morons would have been the Germans burying bodies at the local camp claiming you had no idea they existed or that the Nazis were that bad.

Willfully dumb, blind and stupid.

#139 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 10:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#134 So, not a single parent heard anything firsthand vis a vis overhearing a virtual learning session. It's ALL just disinformation and huge numbers of parents are so stupid that they uncritically buy into it?

You are quite a piece of work. Seriously. I don't mean that in a good way, just so we are clear.

#140 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 10:05 PM | Reply

He just said he thought it was.

#137 | Posted by eberly

Yeah, and Trump said to "protest" peacefully.

Are you this gullible and easy to fool in real life? God damn.

#141 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 10:05 PM | Reply

Like I said, Eberly - just look at #139. He thinks he's smarter than everybody. He's a bigoted POS. Can't possibly conceive that anyone smart could ever disagree with him.

#142 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 10:06 PM | Reply

Doesn't matter. They know what they heard and it was toxic.
#98 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

There's nothing toxic about CRT.

But then, some parents think the Theory of Evolution is toxic.

Should we let them keep evolution out of schools?

#143 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 10:07 PM | Reply

Now JPW is going into full assign a false position mode because his enormous ego apparently can't handle being challenged.

#144 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 10:07 PM | Reply

So, not a single parent heard anything firsthand vis a vis overhearing a virtual learning session. It's ALL just disinformation and huge numbers of parents are so stupid that they uncritically buy into it?

I said a small number of real instances were played up as the norm.

Are you that stupid? Or do you just have to lie and distort like some sort of Torrette Syndrome tick?

You are quite a piece of work. Seriously. I don't mean that in a good way, just so we are clear.

#140 | Posted by BellRinger

Nobody likes finding out they're stupid and gullible.

So I don't hold it against you that you're not liking it.

#145 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 10:08 PM | Reply

Now JPW is going into full assign a false position mode because his enormous ego apparently can't handle being challenged.

#144 | Posted by BellRinger

No, you're just falling back on a stupid trope you've latched on to because it lets you bail out when you need to.

It's a common trait among people over below average intelligence.

#146 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 10:09 PM | Reply

"So, not a single parent heard anything firsthand vis a vis overhearing a virtual learning session."

You made the claim that they did.

Now you're asking us to believe it without evidence.

Furthermore, overhearing things is a great way to take things out of context.

Maybe you should tell us what's so troubling about CRT, for you.

#147 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 10:09 PM | Reply

"Sticking your head in the sand won't make your preferred reality true."

This is a little why I enjoying my time away from here.

So much doom and gloom. End of democracy ... ..

I don't determine the outcome on these issues.

I do my best to prepare, adjust, and thrive.

It's too serious here.

JPW, here is a little advice. YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO LIVES IN THE REAL WORLD.

Remember that when you're spewing this "head in the sand" ---- at people.

#148 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-22 10:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

He's a bigoted POS. Can't possibly conceive that anyone smart could ever disagree with him.

#142 | Posted by BellRinger

We need a whiny bitch flag.

I love it when people disagree with me and can argue a point effectively.

You're just not doing so. At all.

Which is the real root of the matter-you aren't getting the respect you think you're owed or are entitled to.

It's the root of the entire Trump movement.

#149 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 10:10 PM | Reply

I said a small number of real instances were played up as the norm.

I never saw you say that but accept your clarification. Of course, what you are admitting is that those small number of instances parents actually witnessed the toxic elements of CRT being incorporated into their children's teaching. Also, I have never said this is a nationwide problem, at least not yet. This is limited to certain school districts. Not all school districts.

#150 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 10:10 PM | Reply

Nobody likes finding out they're stupid and gullible.

So I don't hold it against you that you're not liking it.

#145 | POSTED BY JPW

Seriously, dude. Get over yourself.

#151 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 10:11 PM | Reply

YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO LIVES IN THE REAL WORLD.

Remember that when you're spewing this "head in the sand" ---- at people.

#148 | Posted by eberly

I know.

I didn't say I was the only one.

Just like I don't think I'm smarter than everyone.

But you and Jeff seem to think that if I think something about YOU I think that about everyone.

And that's not the case.

Ignore the signs if you will. Just don't claim you didn't know the figurative camps existed when it comes time to clean them up.

#152 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 10:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Seriously, dude. Get over yourself.

#151 | Posted by BellRinger

No need.

My problem is with you and you alone.

#153 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 10:13 PM | Reply

it was far worse than anything we've seen since the Civil War.
#129 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Worse in what regard?

I don't think there's been a bigger threat to our nation's democracy than Jan 6. Not since the Civil War.

Notably, about 1/3 of the GOP voted against certifying the election.

Congress held a referendum on America, and 1/3 of the GOP voted against us. There's never been anything like that in our nation's history before. At least not that I'm aware of.

#154 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 10:14 PM | Reply

I love it when people disagree with me and can argue a point effectively.

Uh huh. So far it's never happened, according to you. But you really do love it, hypothetically.

Which is the real root of the matter-you aren't getting the respect you think you're owed or are entitled to.

Unlike you, I don't do entitlement. I just love rubbing your nose in your own ----. You make blanket statements about 'evil parents' being duped because they are too stupid to know better and you've never even met the people you disparage and sure as ---- haven't spent a millisecond in their shoes. yet, you've got them pigeon-holed.

#155 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 10:15 PM | Reply

"those small number of instances parents actually witnessed the toxic elements of evolution being incorporated into their children's teaching"

Edited for historical context.

#156 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 10:15 PM | Reply

I never saw you say that but accept your clarification.

Post 134.

Of course, what you are admitting is that those small number of instances parents actually witnessed the toxic elements of CRT being incorporated into their children's teaching.

I don't even think they were CRT, just obnoxious SJW BS from SJW teachers.

Also, I have never said this is a nationwide problem, at least not yet. This is limited to certain school districts. Not all school districts.

#150 | Posted by BellRinger

It's bigger than the CRT boogeyman.

There's also mask mandate issues.

People bitched about common core.

Trans bathrooms and other gender issues.

Like so many wedge issues they've grown and morphed over time as the lather was built and the anger stoked.

#157 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 10:16 PM | Reply

My problem is with you and you alone.

#153 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-11-22 10:13 PM

Sure it is. You disparage about 90% of people (your number) you disagree with in the worst possible way. When you get called out for your BS you act like it's singular. It's not. We all see it.

#158 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 10:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's bigger than the CRT boogeyman.

There's also mask mandate issues.

People bitched about common core.

Trans bathrooms and other gender issues.

Like so many wedge issues they've grown and morphed over time as the lather was built and the anger stoked.

#157 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-11-22 10:16 PM

On the macro-scale there is some truth to that. On the micro scale people know and understand what they hear and see and when it involves their children they get protective.

#159 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 10:18 PM | Reply

Some people get involved in their communities. They follow local news and keep tabs as to what is going on. They go to school board meetings usually to get information in order to be better informed parents. Most parents don't view the local school board as enemies, but allies. Yeah, disagreements do occur however it usually has to do with their own kid and not the district as a whole.

#160 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 10:21 PM | Reply

"On the micro scale people know and understand what they hear and see "

Oh, please.

Folks "hear and see" trans boys in girls' bathrooms (when that WASN'T the story) and "understand" CRT is already being taught, when it's not.

#161 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-22 10:25 PM | Reply

Uh huh. So far it's never happened, according to you. But you really do love it, hypothetically.

It does happen with fair frequency. More IRL than here and on here it's usually from a predictable few posters who are experts in certain fields that apply to many topics.

Unlike you, I don't do entitlement.

Right. As you push the weak ass "all the parents blah blah blah" argument.

I just love rubbing your nose in your own ----.

That's yet to happen.

You make blanket statements about 'evil parents' being duped because they are too stupid to know better and you've never even met the people you disparage and sure as ---- haven't spent a millisecond in their shoes. yet, you've got them pigeon-holed.

#155 | Posted by BellRinger

Never said evil.

Apparently I'm more familiar with human nature than you are. We're herd animals. Whether we like it or not we follow groups we agree with.

With the hyper-partisan mindset we're currently struggling against those lines fall along political divides, even in things like public health and medicine.

If two things based so heavily in evidence-based practice and objective science can be so politicized why is it a leap to see that much of this is unscrupulous hype?

www.forbes.com

A good summation of my view.

#162 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 10:26 PM | Reply

" With the hyper-partisan mindset we're currently struggling against those lines fall along political divides, even in things like public health and medicine."

You assume that most people are politics junkies to the same degree as morons such as ourselves. Therefore they regard school board officials based on personal politics and not what they feel is in the best interest of their children. For most parents if their kid has a really good teacher they could care less about the personal politics of that teacher. Not uncoincidentallly good teachers usually try to avoid interjecting their personal politics into the lesson plan but I digress.

#163 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 10:46 PM | Reply

You disparage about 90% of people (your number) you disagree with in the worst possible way. When you get called out for your BS you act like it's singular. It's not. We all see it.

#158 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You can keep whining that it's all a mere disagreement.

Won't make it true or absolve you from your dishonest, shallow representations of what we all see.

#164 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 10:47 PM | Reply

On the micro scale people know and understand what they hear and see and when it involves their children they get protective.

#159 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

LOL you're just clinging to that argumentum ad populum.

No, they don't.

As an example I'll point to your own words that I asked about earlier but you ignored.

Where in the memo do the words "domestic terrorists" appear?

www.justice.gov

And since it's not there what reason did parents have to get angry over that memo? Are they against law enforcement taking threats against teachers and school boards seriously and acting to nip it in the bud? Or are they following what they hear, from media and each other, without ever looking into it themselves?

#165 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 10:50 PM | Reply

Not uncoincidentallly

Does that mean coincidentally?

#166 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-11-22 10:51 PM | Reply

On the macro-scale there is some truth to that. On the micro scale people know and understand what they hear and see and when it involves their children they get protective.
#159 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You're doing a great job explaining why parents wanted to ban teaching evolution in schools, ban certain books from schools, maintain segregated schools, etc.

#167 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 10:56 PM | Reply

Any Democrat parents opposed to teaching CRT in schools?

"Parents want kids to learn about ongoing effects of slavery " but not critical race theory. They're the same thing."
www.usatoday.com

More than 60% of American parents want their kids to learn about the ongoing effects of slavery and racism as part of their education, according to a new USA TODAY/Ipsos poll.

But just half of parents support teaching critical race theory in schools " even though the theory's main premise is that racism continues to permeate society. About 4 in 10 parents support restrictions on schools' ability to teach critical race theory.

#168 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 10:58 PM | Reply

You assume that most people are politics junkies to the same degree as morons such as ourselves. Therefore they regard school board officials based on personal politics and not what they feel is in the best interest of their children. For most parents if their kid has a really good teacher they could care less about the personal politics of that teacher. Not uncoincidentallly good teachers usually try to avoid interjecting their personal politics into the lesson plan but I digress.

#163 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Actually I assume the opposite. I would expect political/news junkies to see through the crap.

It's the uninformed and marginally informed who are the ultimate targets of the CRT type nonsense because of the fact that they are uninformed.

As such, the kids are the targets because they're an easy, strongly reactive button to push.

Put those two things together and you have nonsense like the Garland memo saying parents who attend school board meetings are domestic terrorists.

#169 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 11:01 PM | Reply

Great link JPW.

Here is what BellRinger is celebrating, emphasis added:

"We have successfully frozen their brand -- 'critical race theory' -- into the public conversation and are steadily driving up negative perceptions. We will eventually turn it toxic, as we put all of the various cultural insanities under that brand category."

#170 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 11:02 PM | Reply

When the head of Tennessee's chapter of Mom's for Liberty argued against Ruby Bridges' account of her experience as one of the first Black children to integrate a New Orleans school, her complaint was that

the mention of a "large crowd of angry white people who didn't want Black children in a white school" too harshly delineated between Black and white people, and that the book didn't offer "redemption" at its end.

The same leader has also made the argument that children should not see the photo of Black children being fire hosed at the March on Washington, because it might affect how children feel about policemen. "I don't want them to see racism yet," she explained, speaking of second graders, despite the fact that a Black second grader probably already knows about racism.

^
That really gets to the heart of why they don't like CRT. They want to hide the racist past, so as to conceal the racist present.

#171 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 11:06 PM | Reply

C'mon snoofy! Are you telling me all those parents are wrong!?!?!

All those parents who can't even tell you what CRT is have accurately pegged it as what they're child is being taught!?!?!

Elitist -----!

#172 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 11:10 PM | Reply

Put those two things together and you have nonsense like the Garland memo saying parents who attend school board meetings are domestic terrorists.

#169 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-11-22 11:01 PM

Are you aware that Garland was doing the bidding of the NSBA and that the FBI has no jurisdiction for local issues?

#173 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 11:11 PM | Reply

Does that mean coincidentally?

#166 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2021-11-22 10:51 PM

All I can say is it is really bad grammar.

#174 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 11:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Are you aware that Garland was doing the bidding of the NSBA and that the FBI has no jurisdiction for local issues?

#173 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Where does it say domestic terrorist?

#175 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 11:12 PM | Reply

Again, 26 states have distances themselves from the NSBA letter to the DOJ, where parents were described as domestic terrorists (way to move the goalposts)

Politico does a pretty good job of laying out the problems with this:

www.politico.com

#176 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 11:15 PM | Reply

Then, there is this:

NSBA internal memo shows coordination with White House on letter comparing parent protests to 'domestic terrorism'

denvergazette.com

#177 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 11:17 PM | Reply

"The Justice Department was also expected to unveil a series of additional measures to "address the rise in criminal conduct directed toward school personnel"

^
BellRinger says the FBI shouldn't do that.

#178 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 11:20 PM | Reply

I went to the NSBA site and they've scrubbed the original letter that was sent on September 29.

The letter was sent to the DOJ and the DOJ corroborated with the NSBA when it crafted its memo to the FBI instructing this agency to act outside of its jurisdiction.

Crap hit the fan and the NSBA issued an apology of sorts while 26 state school districts distanced themselves from the letter to the DOJ.

Yet, the FBI hasn't been pulled back. In the original letter, the term "domestic terrorist" was used to describe some of these parents. The DOJ used this letter as a predicate for their directive to the FBI.

#179 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 11:24 PM | Reply

#177 Oh, so that's where you got "collusion" from.

From the... checks byline... Washington Examiner.

#180 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 11:24 PM | Reply

"I went to the NSBA site and they've scrubbed the original letter that was sent on September 29."

Why would they keep up a letter that was so bad they had to apologize for it?
That would be like The Lancet keeping up Andrew Wakefield's anti-vaxx paper.

#181 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 11:27 PM | Reply

Why would they keep up a letter that was so bad they had to apologize for it?

Transparency. Honesty. I give them credit for their apology. If they are truly honest they'd keep the original. I can no longer find the original, at least not on this browser.

#182 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 11:29 PM | Reply

" In the original letter, the term "domestic terrorist" was used to describe some of these parents."

And what did those specific parents have to do to get that moniker? Was it just "speak up", as you claimed ...

... or did you leave out the salient parts?

#183 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-22 11:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Again, 26 states have distances themselves from the NSBA letter to the DOJ, where parents were described as domestic terrorists (way to move the goalposts)

OK. So it was the letter itself. I'm having trouble finding it.

But you're falling into the same trap (intentionally?) that other Repubs have.

Namely, you're stripping all nuance because otherwise you have no point.

www.washingtonpost.com

And that is why it's not a simple disagreement with you and others like you. You're not arguing in good faith to begin with while demanding to be considered as much.

#184 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 11:30 PM | Reply

The letter was sent to the DOJ and the DOJ corroborated with the NSBA when it crafted its memo to the FBI instructing this agency to act outside of its jurisdiction.

Are you even aware that you're lying? Have you stopped to check the ---- you read in the Epoch Times for even a second to make sure you're not propagating a lie?

Of course not.

Which is why you can't understand why some people hold your opinions in contempt.

#185 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 11:32 PM | Reply

And what did those specific parents have to do to get that moniker? Was it just "speak up", as you claimed ...
... or did you leave out the salient parts?

#183 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Careful now.

Expecting honesty from lil Jeffy means you think you're smarter than everyone else.

#186 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 11:33 PM | Reply

#184 I read that WaPo piece when it was published. I agree with much of it.

#187 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 11:41 PM | Reply

"I give them credit for their apology."

Here's what you said about their apology:
"the NSBA issued an apology of sorts"

Doesn't really sound like you accepted their apology.

Also, your concept of what comprises transparency and honesty is completely backwards as usual. That's like saying the newspaper shouldn't publish corrections.

Since you value transparency and honestly, why don't you tell us your old username?

#188 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 11:44 PM | Reply

If you agree with it then why are you parroting many of the things it points to as being problematic?

#189 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-22 11:51 PM | Reply

" Also, your concept of what comprises transparency and honesty is completely backwards as usual. That's like saying the newspaper shouldn't publish corrections."

What? Where I'm have I even hinted at something that absurd? Oh, that's right. I'm dealing with Snoofy. Never mind. Go ahead and keep assigning positions to me that I've never taken.

#190 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 11:52 PM | Reply

#189 because it paints an incomplete picture.

#191 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-22 11:52 PM | Reply

"Where I'm have I even hinted at something that absurd?"

What does it mean to retract a publication, if you still make it accessible on your website?
In what way would that be retracted? Explain yourself.

#192 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-22 11:53 PM | Reply

How do you figure?

Also, do you not see the irony in critiquing incomplete representations of the issue as not telling the whole story?

What part is being left out that could possibly justify over simplification and distortions?

#193 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-23 12:00 AM | Reply

"CPAC bans Sesame Street characters from its upcoming Orlando conference, citing Big Bird's endorsement of vaccines" www.businessinsider.com

^
These are the people who think CRT is bad for children. No surprise, they also think preventing the spread of disease is bad for children.

#194 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-23 12:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm not justifying simplification or distortions. When I see emails leaked that show considerable coordination between an organization with strong ties to the Democratic Party and a Biden controlled DOJ my antennae goes up. When I look at the language in the letter originally sent to the DOJ that was then used as a rationale to instruct the FBI to exceed its jurisdiction and inject itself into local matters my antennae goes higher. When I see claims such as "a spike in threats" without any data backing it up my antennae goes even higher.

I strongly suspect you were skeptical of what William Barr had to say on a number of issues. Is it really that hard to understand why some are seriously questioning all of this?

#195 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-23 12:10 AM | Reply

"#189 because it paints an incomplete picture."

^
That's like saying we can't talk about the moon landings without mentioning the people who think the moon landing was fake. Otherwise we're being unfair to their beliefs, and not telling the whole story.

It's all about being a victim, and using your self-inflicted victim status to demand a hearing of your grievances.

#196 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-23 12:11 AM | Reply

"I strongly suspect you were skeptical of what William Barr had to say on a number of issues."

I strongly suspect you weren't.

"Is it really that hard to understand why some are seriously questioning all of this?"

It's very easy to understand. It's no different than understanding why so many Republicans think their was massive election fraud that stole the election from Trump.

It's easy to understand, and it's easy to see how willingly you've been led down the garden path. Especially when what you're questioning is "all of this." CRT, transgender, masks, you've got it all rolled up into a huge conflated mess of every right-wing grievance since the Civil Rights era.

#197 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-23 12:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Is it really that hard to understand why some are seriously questioning all of this?

#195 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Except the roles have been reversed here.

Barr distorted and lied for Trump. THAT was why he gained so much contempt and notoriety.

However now it is the GOP and its base that is lying and distorting.

What's funny is that this post doesn't at all explain how the op-ed missed part of the story, it simply makes me believe you didn't really agree with it at all. But you like to say you did because you think it makes you seem even handed and thoughtful.

What belies that is:

a. guilt by association; language you didn't like used by one organization is somehow another organization's problem despite their not using said language
b. your inserting your political bias to force your conclusion; so what if NSBA is closely associated with the Dems (are they really?), threats against school boards, administrators and teachers have risen. It's their ------- JOB to do something about it. As usual, you swing and miss by ignoring the role your side is playing, the objectively wrong role your side is playing.
c. DoJ working with US attorneys (FEDERAL in case you didn't know) to strategize with state and local LEO to get ahead of a growing problem isn't over stepping their role unless you expect your twisted, historically ignorant "libertarian" worldview to be taken seriously.
d. Part of that "overstep" you're so hysterical about is to start formally tabulating said data. The drive to do so is based on enough anecdotal info to warrant such a collection.

www.nytimes.com

FTA:

Republicans in Congress [and Bellringer, aka JeffJ] have seized on the Justice Department's focus on threats of violence toward school administrators, teachers and school board members to buttress their contention that the Biden administration and Democrats are seeking to intimidate or silence parents who object to local school policies.

Modifications my own.

Some people can read between the lines, jeffy.

When you play the same -------- stunts as GOP scum and spew the same dishonest talking points your protestations of misunderstood moderate centrism are easily ignored as the assertions of what you want to be but are unaware that you're not.

#198 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-23 12:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

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