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Wednesday, November 24, 2021

A jury has found all three men charged in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery guilty of murder.

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Sheriff's deputies have sent a note to the news reporters stating the verdict has been reached. People are assembling for the judgement.

#1 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-24 01:28 PM | Reply

The family has assembled in the Courtroom for the verdict.
The courtroom is packed.

#2 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-24 01:32 PM | Reply

Hopefully they put these "bubbas" where that rittenhouse terrorist belogns.

#3 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2021-11-24 01:37 PM | Reply

Travis McMAGA guilty of malice murder.

#4 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2021-11-24 01:38 PM | Reply

Any gamblers in the house?

What's the odds on a not guilty verdict?

50/50?

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-24 01:38 PM | Reply

Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty

Guilty on all charges for travis mcmichael.

#6 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2021-11-24 01:40 PM | Reply

Greg Mcmichael not guilty on Malice Murder; guilty on the rest.

#7 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2021-11-24 01:41 PM | Reply

Travis McMichael:
Malice Murder - Guilty.
Felony Murder - Guilty
Felony Murder - Guilty
Felony Murder - Guilty
Felony Murder - Guilty
Aggravated assault - Guilty
Aggravated assault - Guilty
False imprisonment - Guilty
Criminal intent to commit a felony - Guilty.

Greg McMichael
Malice Murder - Not Guilty.
Felony Murder - Guilty
Felony Murder - Guilty
Felony Murder - Guilty
Felony Murder - Guilty
Aggravated assault - Guilty
Aggravated assault - Guilty
False imprisonment - Guilty
Criminal intent to commit a felony - Guilty.

William Bryan:
Malice Murder - Not Guilty.
Felony Murder - Not Guilty
Felony Murder - Guilty
Felony Murder - Guilty
Felony Murder - Guilty
Aggravated assault - Not Guilty
Aggravated assault - Guilty
False imprisonment - Guilty
Criminal intent to commit a felony - Guilty.

#8 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-24 01:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Travis McMichael: Guilty on all 9 felony counts

Gregory McMichael: Guilty on 9 felony counts of 10

William Brian: 3 counts of felony murder, 1 felony aggravated assault, 1 felony false imprisonment

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-11-24 01:42 PM | Reply

Brian: Malice Murder; not guilty

Felony murder; not guilty. Felony murder 3 guilty, 4; guilty. 5; guilty.

Aggravated assault; not guilty. 7; guilty. 8 false imprisonment; guilty.

9; criminal intent of felony; guilty.

Lock them up.

#10 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2021-11-24 01:43 PM | Reply

You celebrate now but when you cool off you will be filled with doubt.

#11 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-24 01:44 PM | Reply

You celebrate now but when you cool off you will be filled with doubt.

#11 | POSTED BY TOR

Not in this case.

Good to have these three maniacs off the street.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2021-11-24 01:51 PM | Reply

Can people stop being cynical about their country now? At least for a while?

#13 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-11-24 01:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#13 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Fix the conservative problem in my country and then we can stop being so cynical about what a -------- it's becoming.

#14 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2021-11-24 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

A good day for justice.

#15 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-24 01:57 PM | Reply

What made these three goons think they could just ride up and take a man into their custody by gunpoint? Did they think he wouldn't resist? It makes no sense to me, but I guess I'm not crazy. I'm happy they're going away.

#16 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-11-24 01:57 PM | Reply

#16

The defense argued that they were right to be suspicious of him because it is a dangerous neighborhood.

But then also argued that Arbery shouldn't have been so suspicious when they approached him.

------- moronic defense, tbh.

#17 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2021-11-24 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You celebrate now

There's nothing to celebrate.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-24 02:02 PM | Reply

"Arbery shouldn't have been so suspicious"

In other words, "black."

As was demonstrated in the 911 call made by one of the defendants.

#19 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-24 02:04 PM | Reply

How about we celebrate with a Christmas Parade?

#20 | Posted by CharlieP at 2021-11-24 02:05 PM | Reply

Why are there several felony murder charges for just one murder?

#21 | Posted by eightfifteenpm at 2021-11-24 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

At least for a while?
#13 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Only the shortest while. This case would not even have been considered by the DA without the video. These cucks were walking the streets for MONTHS before justice would even be considered a possibility. This case unveiled evidence of public corruption within the CJS. We are LUCKY the circumstances played out to this ultimate point of justice. Hence, only the shortest while in the face of these three potentially getting away with murder.

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-11-24 02:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

Well stated, Rsty.

#23 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-24 02:11 PM | Reply

Why are there several felony murder charges for just one murder?

"Felony murder" is distinct from a direct murder charge; it is basically its own form of murder charge that means you were committing some other felony that resulted in someone being murdered, even if the murder itself was committed by someone else. The easiest example is a person committing a bank robbery when his co-conspirator shoots someone; the non-shooter can also be charged with felony murder because he was committing a felony connected to the murder.

So in this case they charge felony murder for each felony connected to the incident. Felony murder for assault with a firearm. Felony murder for assault with a pickup truck. Felony murder for false imprisonment. Etc.

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-24 02:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#22 ... This case would not even have been considered by the DA without the video. ...

Agreed.

Ubiquitous cell-phone video has been the witness to the need for change.


#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-11-24 02:22 PM | Reply

I wonder if cities will burn tonight?

Because of this judgement?

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-24 02:30 PM | Reply

#27 Don't be silly. Rightwingers commit terrorism when they lose fair elections, not court cases.

#28 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-24 02:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

fwiw, it's not over...

Trial in Ahmaud Arbery slaying set by judge for February
apnews.com

...A federal judge has scheduled an early 2022 trial for three Georgia men charged with hate crimes in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery.

U.S. District Judge Lisa Godbey Wood issued a written order Tuesday setting jury selection to begin Feb. 7 at the federal courthouse in the coastal city of Brunswick. That's just a few months after the same defendants are scheduled to stand trial on murder charges in a Georgia state court....



#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-11-24 02:34 PM | Reply

#29 Only in the sense that federal charges are being piled on.

Absent some highly unlikely appeal victory, the state charges are in fact "over."

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-24 02:37 PM | Reply

I am relieved that the racially unbalanced jury (11 out of 12 white in a county that is 26% Black) did not do what juries in the south have done in the past.

The facts of the case were damning. Ahmaud Arbery was just out jogging two miles from his house and did something that people have innocently done many times before -- checked out a house still under construction. He did not deserve to be chased down and killed.

#32 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-24 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Once again, it takes a bit longer than expected but Georgia finally wakes up and gets it right....

#33 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-11-24 02:44 PM | Reply

The lesson: leave people alone if they aren't harming you directly.

#34 | Posted by Brennnn at 2021-11-24 02:46 PM | Reply

Too bad the death penalty wasn't in play.
Would have liked to see these 3 fry, after being forced to watch all of their firearms melted down in front of them.

#35 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-11-24 03:01 PM | Reply

The lesson: leave people alone if they aren't harming you directly.

#34 | POSTED BY BRENNNN AT 2021-11-24 02:46 PM | REPLY |

No one was being harmed period, directly or indirectly. If they were trying to stop him from beating a woman's ass or robing someone I can get on board with that.

This was a case of a black man simply being in a place that these three thugs deemed off limits to him. They got what they deserved but none of that is going to give that man his life back.

#36 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-24 03:07 PM | Reply

Jacquelyn Lee Johnson (original DA) should have her law license taken away.

#37 | Posted by fresno500 at 2021-11-24 03:12 PM | Reply

Joe I think the question about the multiple felony murder charges is this:

Felony Murder - Guilty
Felony Murder - Guilty
Felony Murder - Guilty
Felony Murder - Guilty

each defendant was charged with 4 counts of felony murder for the same act. It is confusing, to me at least

#38 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-11-24 03:12 PM | Reply

oh sorry, i think you explained it.

#39 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-11-24 03:13 PM | Reply

Waycross DA George Barnhill was not going to prosecute this case and only recused himself after he came under scrutiny from Ahmaud's mother. He called her allegations of bias unfounded. Before recusing his office, he found that after "extensive" review of the evidence that there was insufficient probable cause for issuing an arrest warrant.
www.documentcloud.org

If his mother had not pressed the issue then there is a good chance these three violent, murderous thugs would continue to live free among the community.

#40 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-11-24 03:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If his mother had not pressed the issue then there is a good chance these three violent, murderous thugs would continue to live free among the community.

#40 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE AT 2021-11-24 03:14 PM | FLAG:

Just as thousands of violent, murderous thugs do continue to live freely among the south. For example, the 70-90 somethings who worked at the Dozier School for Boys: Now enjoying a blissful retirement instead of rotting in a cell

www.npr.org

#41 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-11-24 03:19 PM | Reply

The lesson: leave people alone if they aren't harming you directly.

#34 | Posted by Brennnn

Great. Now if we could apply that to Rittenhouse, two people would still be alive.

#42 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-24 03:19 PM | Reply

Now if we could apply that to Rittenhouse, two people would still be alive.
#42 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Rottenhouse, the case that proved you can break a multitude of laws, including murder, and still be found not guilty. If you're white and a Trumper.

I get it Boaz.

He's your newest Trumping idol.

I wouldn't recommend you giving ARs to your kids and having them showing up at riots.

Just my advice.

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-24 03:26 PM | Reply

I guess not having a trump cult member judge makes a difference in the outcomes.

"DONT CALL THOSE DEAD PEOPLE VICTIMS!"

"APPLAUD FOR THE DEFENSE WITNESSES!"

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-11-24 03:27 PM | Reply

Has trump pledged to pardon them yet?

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-11-24 03:29 PM | Reply

The lesson: leave people alone if they aren't harming you directly.

#34 | Posted by Brennnn

Great. Now if we could apply that to Rittenhouse, two people would still be alive.

#42 | Posted by boaz

You mean if rittenhouse had stayed home and left people alone who weren't harming him directly?

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-11-24 03:30 PM | Reply

Has trump pledged to pardon them yet?

#45 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-11-24 03:29 PM | FLAG:

We don't know but why don't you ask since he lives in your head.

#47 | Posted by fishpaw at 2021-11-24 03:36 PM | Reply

So, lefties are happy with this verdict, right?

#48 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-24 03:36 PM | Reply

Good to see this verdict.

#49 | Posted by cbob at 2021-11-24 03:39 PM | Reply

Nice to see that the "he grabbed my gun, so I killed him.. to protect my gun!" defense didn't werk this time.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-24 03:40 PM | Reply

#48
Rittenhouse could have taken a paddle boat out on Lake Catherine to battle fall winds a lot easier than the ride up to Kenosha did for him.

#51 | Posted by LesWit at 2021-11-24 03:41 PM | Reply

"So, lefties are happy with this verdict, right?"

It's a verdict reached by a jury of peers.

What would be the cause for complaint?

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-24 03:43 PM | Reply

oops I meant #46. - eyes swelled up seeing double.

#53 | Posted by LesWit at 2021-11-24 03:47 PM | Reply

#52 it counters the narrative that racist pieces of crap can kill black people with impunity. There was little celebration when Chauvin was convicted for the same reason.

#54 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-24 03:49 PM | Reply

We don't know but why don't you ask since he lives in your head.

#47 | Posted by fishpaw

My head? Youre the cult who won't follow anyone but him.

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-11-24 03:55 PM | Reply

So, lefties are happy with this verdict, right?

#48 | Posted by BellRinger

yeah because lefties like justice. Go figure.

#56 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-11-24 03:55 PM | Reply

it counters the narrative that racist pieces of crap can kill black people with impunity

If "self defense" is a spectrum, with "absolutely self defense" at the top and "absolutely not self defense" at the bottom, this case was so far to the bottom that it practically pushed through the floor.

The only thing this case indicates is that there is *some* limit to the application of self-defense; that it won't apply to the literally absurd situation of chasing someone down in a truck and murdering them.

Also, keep in mind that even this open and shut case of murder almost wasn't prosecuted at all, as the initial prosecutors tried to cover it up. Without a leaked video even these -------- would have gotten away with it. So you can stop pretending all is well in America.

#57 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-24 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#57. So three racist d bags are rightly convicted for murdering a black person yet the outcome is still somehow racist?

#58 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-24 04:02 PM | Reply

Let's talk about Ahmaud Arbery and the system functioning.... it didn't:

www.youtube.com

Beau of the Fifth Column

#59 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-24 04:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

yet the outcome is still somehow racist?

Where did i say that?

How are you possibly this stupid?

#60 | Posted by JOE at 2021-11-24 04:48 PM | Reply

If it wasn't for the video, they would've gotten away with it. The ghost of Lester Maddox is still in charge of Georgia.

#61 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-11-24 04:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#59

A good ol' boy in a Beatles shirt?

Subscribed!

#62 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-11-24 04:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Great. Now if we could apply that to Rittenhouse, two people would still be alive.

#42 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Have I been gone so long Boaz is suddenly woke?

I agree rittenhouse had no business going there to shoot protesters because he was scared or whatever the excuse is.

Good for you Boaz!

#63 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2021-11-24 04:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The judge excluded the victim's criminal record from the trial (including bringing a gun to a school he had already graduated from).

Wondering if the defendants will prevail on appeal for that.

#64 | Posted by censored at 2021-11-24 04:56 PM | Reply

#64 Why because he's black and not kyle rittenhouse?

If that ---- murderer can't be judged for his own prior actions, why the ---- should Arbery, whom can't even defend himself in trial?

"Rules for thee, but not for we."

Conservatives are so ------- open nowadays about trying to make themselves fascist super-citizens.

#65 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2021-11-24 05:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#64 Why because he's black and not kyle rittenhouse?[...]
Conservatives are so ------- open nowadays about trying to make themselves fascist super-citizens. #65 | Posted by IndianaJones

Not sure if you're calling me a conservative, but I don't think that I am. Although I'm not hyper-woke either so maybe I am conservative from your perspective.

In any event, defendants are given more leeway in trials than prosecutors. Kyle's criminal record shouldn't be used against him to prove his guilt, but defendants should be able to resort to pretty much anything to show that someone acted in a way that supports their defense. So if the victim happens to be someone who carries a gun to school, I would think that tends to show them to be someone who might also be aggressive or predisposed to violence.

#66 | Posted by censored at 2021-11-24 05:10 PM | Reply

- A good ol' boy in a Beatles shirt?
Subscribed!

;o)

His tshirt the other day was "Don't be so woke you can't dream" with like a my little pony graphic.

Beau is the alter-ego of this guy, Justin King:

zandlslant.com

justinking.org

#68 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-24 05:24 PM | Reply

All three of 'em could have been cast in My Cousin Vinnie II as low IQ antagonists.

#69 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-11-24 05:48 PM | Reply

#69

I consider that an insult to the great Joe Pesci

#70 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-11-24 06:06 PM | Reply

Yes, and the fact that the jury did NOT simply vote guilty on ALL of the counts for all three defendants shows us that, despite what some will say was a fast verdict, they did deliberate and they carefully assessed guilt where they felt it was appropriate.

OCU

#71 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-11-24 07:32 PM | Reply

Waycross DA George Barnhill was not going to prosecute this case and only recused himself after he came under scrutiny from Ahmaud's mother. He called her allegations of bias unfounded. Before recusing his office, he found that after "extensive" review of the evidence that there was insufficient probable cause for issuing an arrest warrant.

Waycross is in Ware county... Brunswick is Glynn county. You don't have an effing clue.

#72 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-11-24 07:48 PM | Reply

#64 Why because he's black and not kyle rittenhouse?

What about Andrew Coffee IV, found not guilty of murder one and attempted first degree murder on a police officer on the same day as Rittenhouse....you remember all the press coverage? Yeah, me neither.

#73 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-11-24 07:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#69

I consider that an insult to the great Joe Pesci

#70 | Posted by bocaink

You remember the witness who had to really think of the answer, "Leaves" for what was on the bushes that might have blocked his view of the shooting in My Cousin Vinnie?

Like him.

#74 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-11-24 08:06 PM | Reply

Amazing what happens when the judge keeps his thumb off the scale.

#75 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-11-24 08:30 PM | Reply

Has the racist orange turd invited Arbery's relatives to Mara Lardo yet?

#76 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-11-24 08:33 PM | Reply

Fools celebrating "justice".
Whitefolks patting themselves on the back just for being decent.

Celebration of the exemption not the rule.

#77 | Posted by fresno500 at 2021-11-24 09:00 PM | Reply

Can people stop being cynical about their country now? At least for a while?

Well sorta, but not if you consider the shenanigans done by the former DA...

#78 | Posted by brass30 at 2021-11-24 09:31 PM | Reply

^^^^
THIS

#79 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-24 09:35 PM | Reply

Thank God (and I'm an atheist).
Finally, a break in the tide of hate
washing over this country. For a moment,
a breather...

#80 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-11-24 11:15 PM | Reply

"yeah because lefties like justice. Go figure."

Like the Rittenhouse verdict?

#81 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-11-25 03:16 AM | Reply

#81 - That was not at all like this trial, This was justice. The jury system and our trial system isn't perfect. The theory being it's better that more guilty go free than more innocent be incarcerated. Unfortunately that only works if you're white.

#82 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-25 10:41 AM | Reply

Marjorie Tyler Greene, who voted AGAINST awarding Congressional medals to the Capital police officers who were injured defending the Capital on January 6th, introduced a resolution to award Kyle Rittenhouse the Congressional Gold Medal for his service to nation.

OCU

#83 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-11-25 10:53 AM | Reply

So if the victim happens to be someone who carries a gun to school, I would think that tends to show them to be someone who might also be aggressive or predisposed to violence.

#66 | POSTED BY CENSORED

So I already have learned that when in Wisconsin I am to not ask questions or confront a shooter and if he slightly raises his weapon in my direction I shoot to kill immediately.

So now when I see someone open carry an AR15 at Walmart I should assume they are predisposed to be aggressive and violent and I should just shoot them on the spot regardless? Or should I wait and follow them with my buds and chase him down in my truck THEN shoot him?

I have to admit the second way is a bit more challenging. But I am confused as to which is more pleasing in His eyes and are thus glorifies the Lord.

#84 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-11-25 11:28 AM | Reply

#84 | Posted by donnerboy

Carrying in a school isn't the same as carrying in a Walmart. And I don't know whether Walmart allows people to carry guns in their stores or not, but that's on Walmart to decide. Apparently in some states, some of these fools like to stand in front of schoolyards with an AR15 on their backs and it's legal to do so.

In any event, I would suggest against following people around regardless of whether anyone is armed. If they shoot you then don't be surprised if they walk after making up whatever story best suits their needs, like claiming that you were trying to grab their gun.

I mean, I'm not the one who came up with the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard for criminal convictions. And "not guilty" isn't the same as "innocent."

#85 | Posted by censored at 2021-11-25 12:23 PM | Reply

I brought a handgun to school once, in fact I brought it to school for a couple of weeks. I was in our senior class play and the script called for a handgun to be produced in a critical scene. We decided that a toy gun would look too fake (this was before the days when you could easily buy realistic looking replicas) and so my future father-in-law loaned me a Walther PPK pistol and holster that he picked-up during the war. We never even asked the school's principle if we could use it, but the teacher supervising the production of the play knew all about it and he never questioned whether it was a good idea or not. Note that this was back in 1965, and NO, while it included a couple of magazines, we had NO ammo for it.

OCU

#86 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-11-25 01:44 PM | Reply

When I was in college, we had gun lockers in our dorm. Now you had to rent them (it was like five dollars a month) and supply your own lock. They let you keep anything in there as long as it was legal for you to have, whatever it was. We all envied the guys from Minnesota as most of them had pistols as well as long guns, which us Michigan residents pretty much only had shotguns and rifles. Of course, this was before the advent of so-called 'assault rifles' so it was mostly your typical hunting gear, like 22's, 12 and 20 GA shotguns and the occasional high-powered deer rifle. I only had a 20 GA shotgun and 22 rifle at the time. Any ammo had to be kept in the locker as well. And guns couldn't be taken to your dorm room. If you needed to clean or work on them, it had to be done in the 'gun room'. And when taking a gun out of the room, it had to be in a case. Note that we had an indoor shooting range on campus (we had a rather active university shooting team and in fact, a couple of our alumni had gone on to win Olympic medals) and there were several areas where we could shoot outdoors not far from campus including a great place near the lake where we would shoot clay targets (I had a hand trap and a couple of us would pitch in and buy a case of targets and spend a Saturday afternoon, weather permitting, honing our shooting skills).

OCU

#87 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-11-25 01:45 PM | Reply

Great stories, OCU!

Thanks for sharing!

#88 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-25 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I've got a 1964 Wslther PPK. nice gun, too bad you don't have it anymore. I have my aunts yearbook from
Late 60's. They had a rifle club, you could bring your gun to school. Girls and boys in the club. That was in DC suburbs, not Deep South. Guns were pretty prevalent then but people weren't shooting each other like they do now. It's not the guns, it's the people.

#89 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-11-25 04:27 PM | Reply

"Carrying in a school isn't the same as carrying in a Walmart. "

Of course they are not the same. But in both cases a gun is not necessary and can lead to problems. In both cases I am not going to "follow them around" but I will call 911 and let them deal with it.

It's not the guns, it's the people.

#89 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Exactly. But just carrying a weapon in some circumstances can be considered confrontational. As in extreme overkill to the point of adding danger to situation that was not dangerous until a gun was involved. Bringing a gun to school is not a great idea but is not in and of itself aggressive or violent act. It's how the gun is used or displayed or "brandished".

But when someone carries a gun in an aggressive and confrontational way we should take them at their word. They want to be aggressive and confrontational with a deadly weapon. Like in Wisconsin.

#90 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-11-25 04:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's both., Unarmed people are less likely to kill each other. People kill people more easily with guns, especially high volume magazines.

Tell me I'm wrong.Why does the military want automatic and semi-automatic arms?

They make killing easy. Duh.

The rest is just crapola.

People can kill with almost anything, but it's often hard work to do so. Guns especially automatic weapons make killing a snap.

That's why our troops love them so.

#91 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-11-25 05:07 PM | Reply

It's not the guns, it's the people.
#89 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

It's the people who shouldn't have guns, but do, thanks to the Second Amendment.

#92 | Posted by Snoofy at 2021-11-25 06:13 PM | Reply

People like Travis McMichael, his father Gregory McMichael and their neighbor William Bryan.

The Second Amendment affords them the right to be killers.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-25 06:15 PM | Reply

The Second Amendment affords them the right to be killers.

#93 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-11-25 06:15 PM | REPLY

Apparently not.

#94 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-11-25 06:55 PM | Reply

Opportunity, if you prefer.

Without guns this would not have gone down like it did.

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-25 08:31 PM | Reply

Without guns this would not have gone down like it did.

They'd likely have eventually run him over with their pickmeup truck.

#96 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-11-25 08:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Nah,those poltroons would have ---- themselves if Arbery had even said boo. Without firearms they never would have confronted the scary black guy. Too chickensh*t. If they could have run him down without directly confronting him,maybe they would have.

#97 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-11-25 10:42 PM | Reply

If they could have run him down without directly confronting him,maybe they would have.

I was thinking exactly that. Their victim was too smart for them to succeed with vehicular homicide so they had to shoot him.

#98 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-11-25 10:47 PM | Reply

Opportunity, if you prefer.
Without guns this would not have gone down like it did.

#95 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-11-25 08:31 PM | FLAG:

Opportunity is the correct word, but there's always opportunity. 3 vs 1? Tackle him and kneel on his neck.

#99 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-11-26 09:35 AM | Reply

These guys are fat old and weak. Without guns they would'nt have done ---. Too afraid of getting hurt themselves. Anything to make guns ok. Any contortion of logic and reason to make the magic murder machines acceptable. Well. F**k. That. They are NOT acceptable. Go hump your AR dude.

#100 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-11-26 10:50 AM | Reply

I don't have one to hump. You're full on with the classic black superman racism though. Clearly we can fight off 3 larger men with easy. He is black afterall.

#101 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-11-26 12:42 PM | Reply

Everybody knows black people have superpowers.

#102 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-11-26 12:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tackle him and kneel on his neck.
#99 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

That also wouldn't have happened if they didn't have guns on their hip to help enforce their authority.

People who say guns aren't the cause of gun violence... also say we're forced to pay taxes at gunpoint.

Guns don't pay taxes, people pay taxes. At gunpoint.

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-26 01:22 PM | Reply

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