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Sunday, November 28, 2021

WASHINGTON (AP) " Inflation is soaring, businesses are struggling to hire and President Joe Biden's poll numbers have been in free fall. The White House sees a common culprit for it all: COVID-19. Biden's team views the pandemic as the root cause of both the nation's malaise and his own political woes. Finally controlling COVID-19, the White House believes, is the skeleton key to rejuvenating the country and reviving Biden's own standing. But the coronavirus challenge has proved to be vexing for the White House, with last summer's premature claims of victory swamped by the more transmissible delta variant, millions of Americans going unvaccinated and lingering economic effects from the pandemic's darkest days.

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Could the GOP be fighting rational virus mitigation procedures for the reason that the continuing pandemic will hurt Pres Biden's chances for re-election?

It wouldn't be the first time the Republicans have politicized the virus in order to win political points, even to the point of killing off Americans for those political points.



#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-11-28 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#1

That's a really weak explanation - "along the lines of the devil made me do it"

It means the same thing I've said all along. He and his VP are incapable of leading and in turn, incapable of governing.

How does a president claim 81 million votes in an election and in 10 months have ratings in the 30 percentile range? VP in the 20's.

#2 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-28 02:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How does a president claim 81 million votes in an election and in 10 months have ratings in the 30 percentile range? VP in the 20's.

#2 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Simple.

Govern a country where 30% of the populace are dead weight who pull everyone down while complaining they're drowning.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#3. That doesn't explain Biden and Harris's plummeting approval rating.

#4 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 02:50 PM | Reply

#3. That doesn't explain Biden and Harris's plummeting approval rating.

#4 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

It explains 30% 0f it.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2021-11-28 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Could the GOP be fighting rational virus mitigation procedures for the reason that the continuing pandemic will hurt Pres Biden's chances for re-election?"

This is true. The modern GOP is not loyal to the country. It's loyal to its interests. The modern Trump-GOP has a novel attitude towards mass American deaths: it just doesn't give a damn.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2021-11-28 02:55 PM | Reply

@#2 ... That's a really weak explanation ...

It wasn't an explanation, it was an observation of what happened with an extrapolation to current events.

I've not yet seen a better explanation for why the Republicans seem to be so focused upon using COVID to kill off Americans.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-11-28 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3. That doesn't explain Biden and Harris's plummeting approval rating.

#4 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Sure it does.

You have nearly a third of the country who will say "no" no matter what and a large infrastructure of "news" and "information" dissemination to cater to them that spills over.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 03:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#4 ... plummeting approval rating ...

Keeping things in perspective, the ratings have leveled off for the past week or two of RCP poll reporting...
www.realclearpolitics.com

RCP Average 11/1 - 11/23
Approval: 41.7
Disapproval: 52.5

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-11-28 03:12 PM | Reply

"Keeping things in perspective ... "

Let's not forget the subject of "approval ratings" was Republican Kryptonite for four years.

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-28 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#7 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2021-11-28 03:01 PM

I stand corrected, it was a weak observation.

#11 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-28 03:36 PM | Reply

@#11 ... it was a weak observation. ...

Why do you think it was a weak observation?

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-11-28 03:38 PM | Reply

"Simple."

I know, I've learned this about you.

"Govern a country where 30% of the populace are dead weight who pull everyone down while complaining they're drowning."

More special sauce for the village idiot. Good leaders reach people from all walks of life. He hasn't even tipped the iceberg. Face it, we got ----- pants because of Trump, nothing else. And you loonies run around pretending like there wasn't a better choice in your camp.

#3 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-11-28 02:36 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

#13 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-28 03:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Good leaders reach people from all walks of life.

LOL and you call someone else the village idiot...

Republicans have gone so far off the deep end they'd kill their own mothers to pwn the libs.

But sure, you're no the village idiot.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 04:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#8. That's not an explanation, it's a rationalization.

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 04:09 PM | Reply

#14 you certainly like your left wing narratives.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 04:14 PM | Reply

Ummm no, it's an explanation in figurative form.

You have a solid 30% of the country along with their talking heads and info sources that are willing to die alone and unconscious on a ventilator because something as objective as vaccines became a political issue.

You can't get more partisan and impossibly ungovernable than that.

But I get it. Maintaining your ----------- "middle of the road" position requires ignoring the obvious.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 04:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#17. Like Speaksoftly you present your opinions as facts.

#18 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 04:47 PM | Reply

Pf off, dumbfuq. That's my opinion of you.

#19 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-11-28 04:51 PM | Reply

FACT.

#20 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-11-28 04:51 PM | Reply

#20 as always you contribute nothing.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 04:54 PM | Reply

-It explains 30% 0f it.

It explains exactly ZERO of the drop in the ratings.

Wow, a whole slew of posters pretended to miss that

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 05:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You have a solid 30% of the country along with their talking heads and info sources that are willing to die alone and unconscious on a ventilator because something as objective as vaccines became a political issue."

They were very present when Biden's poll numbers were pretty high

Are you trying to ignore the reality that the 30% you're hiding behind aren't the reason for the change?

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 05:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#23, that's exactly what he's doing. It's why I called him out for rationalization.

#24 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 05:07 PM | Reply

"Wow, a whole slew of posters pretended to miss that"

We didn't "pretend", we just know FauxNews and RightWing MSM is spreading lies and misinformation since leaving Afghanistan. Since then FauxNews had made up a border crisis, fake inflation, his health, fake energy crisis, the list is long on the MSM's lies and misinformation.

Everyone polled said leaving Afghanistan was the right thing to do, the MSM used this issues in Afghanistan to manufacture more lies and people believed them.

I am not a fan of the latest spending package, and the IRS army its created to oppress the middle class side hustles. But its certainly better than the Orangeman or any other MAGAt BS.

#25 | Posted by oneironaut at 2021-11-28 05:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Whatever propaganda outlets the right has they have a fraction of the viewers/ readers of the left wing propaganda outlets. Insurmountable when the power of the tech giants are thrown in.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 05:27 PM | Reply

jeff is unbelievably naive.

the corporate media isn't telling people to kill themselves
for political reasons because dead people can't buy soap.

#27 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-11-28 05:32 PM | Reply

#27. So, right wing media outlets are telling people to kill themselves? Further way to lamely try to move the goalposts.

#28 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 05:39 PM | Reply

anti vaccines = people getting sick and dying.

that's a fact, not my opinion.

i liked you better when you pretended to be reasonable.

#29 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-11-28 05:42 PM | Reply

Being anti mandate is not the same as being anti vax

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 05:43 PM | Reply

-RightWing MSM is spreading lies and misinformation since leaving Afghanistan.

Oh, I was under the impression they were spreading lies and misinformation before that.

But you're claiming it started just then?

Boy, some folks here have a big bone to pick with you.

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 05:43 PM | Reply

That kind of nuance may be lost on you.

#32 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 05:44 PM | Reply

"fake inflation,"

LOL

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 05:45 PM | Reply

Anti mandates are anti vaccine by default.

#34 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-11-28 05:45 PM | Reply

I guess the narrative needed to shift to explain things now.

Back in 2008, 30% were undeniably the party of "no" cause we went ahead and elected a black man president.

LOL

They've been there all along ... ... ..where did they go?

Answer? Nowhere of course. They've been a constant since 2008

Let's not pretend they disappeared then showed up just recently just to make things rough on Biden.

Biden understands the situation. His own base is losing faith in him.

It's okay. It was expected. I absolutely knew that many on the left would lose their stomach if things got rough.

Don't worry. Biden isn't running for anything right now and I don't see a threat from the GOP anywhere. This is just drama for the sake of drama.

Relax

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 05:53 PM | Reply

@#11 ... it was a weak observation. ...
Why do you think it was a weak observation?
#12 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2021-11-28 03:38 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

If you go back and read the last sentence in #2 you will see why. What you said in #1 makes no sense at all. 81 million votes and within 10 months he and his kick stand get dropped like a bad ------- habit. Where did his popularity go? Where did her popularity go? Hint: it ain't the mean republicans doing this to him. The most reasonable explanation for this is that people are fed up with his crap. They're looking at those store shelves and it ain't pretty. And the ones who are special looney, that bought the green utopia, are going of the deep end.

#36 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-28 06:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Bell,

"That doesn't explain Biden and Harris's plummeting approval rating."

Perhaps the problem is that what Democrats have always offered is smoke and mirrors.

Big on talk and short on substance. Quick fixes that get votes.

That's catching up with them now that the economy can't sustain itself without the government distributing free money plus there are other problems that can't be solved with the only solutions they know.

They look to the government for all their solutions instead of the people.

When all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail.

#37 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-28 06:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The most reasonable explanation for this is that people are fed up with his crap.

I love vague bullshht.

It's all Trumpers can muster.

They don't have anything specific.

They're just wound up from all the Rightwing hate they saturate themselves with. Each and every day.

Prove me wrong.

Define "crap" in your statement, "people are fed up with his crap."

I bet you can't.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-28 06:38 PM | Reply

Bell,

The government does have a responsibility to step in as needed but Democrats have enabled Americans to the point they feel entitled to be taken care of by the government.

#39 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-11-28 06:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Perhaps the problem is that what Democrats have always offered is smoke and mirrors.

As opposed to Republicans offering theft, embezzlement and lies.

Republicans are domestic abuse victims.

Their politicians literally don't care about them or the future of the nation and their voters couldn't be more delusional about it.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-28 06:42 PM | Reply

We are the government. We the people.

#41 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-11-28 06:44 PM | Reply

They were very present when Biden's poll numbers were pretty high
Are you trying to ignore the reality that the 30% you're hiding behind aren't the reason for the change?
#23 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Are you trying to ignore the reality that a third of the country being vested in Biden's failure to the point they'll die or tell people misinformation that can lead to their deaths isn't going to have an effect?

#23, that's exactly what he's doing. It's why I called him out for rationalization.

#24 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I've been pretty harsh on Biden and (especially) progressives both before and during the current administration.

No doubt a portion of it is progressives throwing a hissy fit because BBB wasn't passed to the sounds of angelic choruses and heaps of immediate praise from everyone who finally saw the progressive light.

Most of it, though, is the same as ever-economics and how secure people feel in their persons and position.

But the vast majority of current turmoil is because of the pandemic, not Biden. An honest press would be explaining that, not calling it "Bidenflation."

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 06:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Fact: " Republicans have gone so far off the deep end they'd kill their own mothers to pwn the libs."

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-28 06:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- We are the government. We the people.

Good point, Laura. Lot of self-hate going on.

Of course, most people on both sides pretty much gave up on making the changes that would give the ebil gub'mint back to the People.

Too much hard werk. It's easier to blame each other... which is, of course, the point that the real corporate powers that be have been so successful at making... the old divide and conquer still werks.

Look at any Venn diagram of political right and left and you'll find big corporations with very little popularity on either side. Which is why they have to keep the sides divided with "ultra important" issues like guns and abortion rather than letting the focus stray to things like the economic well-being and liberty of said People.

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-28 06:55 PM | Reply

"We are the government. We the people."

What kind of racist trope is this?

Not if you are undocumented and can't vote. Don't forget their kids have to live here too.

#45 | Posted by oneironaut at 2021-11-28 07:04 PM | Reply

Here is a book you should read, your assumptions are a messed up.
www.amazon.com

#46 | Posted by oneironaut at 2021-11-28 07:08 PM | Reply

-Are you trying to ignore the reality that a third of the country being vested in Biden's failure to the point they'll die or tell people misinformation that can lead to their deaths isn't going to have an effect?

No more than it did when he got elected.

Or when Obama was president.

These people aren't any bigger impact on approval ratings than they were 10+ years ago.

Remember when they were protesting a ------ occupying the WH?

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 07:17 PM | Reply

#47. Exactly. And it's as if Democrats aren't also partisan to the point of absurdity. Remember how much they ripped the possibility of vaccines when orange guy was pushing them?

#48 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 07:42 PM | Reply

These people aren't any bigger impact on approval ratings than they were 10+ years ago.

Never mind.

Apparently as far as your mind can grasp is those people having unfavorable rating against Biden, not at all how their actions and the consequences are blamed on Biden or their misrepresentation of reality to be bad for Biden.

Remember how much they ripped the possibility of vaccines when orange guy was pushing them?

#48 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Reality or the -------- you think was reality?

Because I'm betting you're about to misquote Harris, right?

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 08:16 PM | Reply

#49

Poor, poor Biden. He's doing everything right but some Uber powerful 30% morons are sabotaging his success.

It's funny that you claim to not be partisan when you so clearly are.

#50 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 08:22 PM | Reply

Jesus you can't speak without lying, can you?

Never said he's doing everything right.

---- off if that's all you can bring to the table.

#51 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 08:23 PM | Reply

There Jeff goes again. Throwing foodies against the wall hoping something sticks

#52 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-11-28 08:25 PM | Reply

I bring plenty to the table. You're essentially peddling a dumb conspiracy theory and spewing left wing pablum at the same time. That kind of shut is going to generate a caustic response.

#53 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 08:26 PM | Reply

You're not giving a caustic response.

You're giving a dishonest, -------- response.

As always.

Because that's all you have to bring to the table.

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 08:28 PM | Reply

Bottom line: Biden's poll numbers are in the crapper right now because he's been very terrible up to this point in his presidency.

He's had a sycophantic press and near iron-fisted control from the Tech giants and this is still where he's at.

#55 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 08:28 PM | Reply

"Apparently as far as your mind can grasp"

What? I am not understanding something that you do?

Oh, do tell.

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 08:29 PM | Reply

-You're giving a dishonest, -------- response.

Hold on ... ... .You're pretending this faction of people didn't exist prior to Biden.

As if they weren't hell bent on destroying Obama.

How is this faction any more impactful today than they were when Obama was president?

#57 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 08:33 PM | Reply

#56. This is where he tells you that you are too stupid to appreciate his vastly superior intellect.

#58 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 08:34 PM | Reply

" How is this faction any more impactful today than they were when Obama was president?"

They're not. Given that Big Tech now actively suppresses and censors this faction they are decidedly less impactful than they were during Obama's years.

#59 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 08:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

What? I am not understanding something that you do?
Oh, do tell.

It's more than the literal 30% Trumpers = 30% disapproval.

You have 30% who will die or let people die to see Biden fail.

You don't think that that mindset can at all be blatantly and horrifically dishonest?

No, calling it Bidenflation and pulling a 180 on all economic indicators as suddenly negatives and putting clogged ports and supply deficiencies all at his feet while acting as if his policies are responsible for the hundreds of thousands of deaths in 2021 isn't "politics as usual."

It's a sign of the radical nature of the GOP and their base. Period.

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 08:38 PM | Reply

Bottom line: Biden's poll numbers are in the crapper right now because he's been very terrible up to this point in his presidency.

Very terrible? No. Mediocre? Absolutely.

Biden in any time other than post-COVID would be a footnote in history. Not great. Not terrible. Just a placeholder between two administrations.

The vast majority of the bad things he's being knocked for are largely fabrications of the right playing on people's frustrations and fear.

#61 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 08:40 PM | Reply

As if they weren't hell bent on destroying Obama.
How is this faction any more impactful today than they were when Obama was president?

#57 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Were they willing to die under Obama? Were their talking heads willing to let them die or did they undermine our democratic institutions under Obama?

Acting as if the right base is the same now as '08-16 is obtuse at best, ignorant as ---- at worst.

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 08:41 PM | Reply

#60 get over yourself with that crap. For as long as I've been alive presidents get outsized praise and outsized criticisms for things they don't actually have much control over.

So far Biden has royally sucked and his poll numbers reflect that in spite of a very protective press.

#63 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 08:42 PM | Reply

#56. This is where he tells you that you are too stupid to appreciate his vastly superior intellect.

#58 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

This is where mouthbreathers whine that they don't understand what's going on.

Given that Big Tech now actively suppresses and censors this faction they are decidedly less impactful than they were during Obama's years.

#59 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

LOL holy ----. Thanks for the laugh.

#64 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 08:42 PM | Reply

For as long as I've been alive presidents get outsized praise and outsized criticisms for things they don't actually have much control over.

Given your inability to register even pretty basic observations of critical current events I doubt your recollection of historical give and takes between majority and minority parties is correct.

Tell me, jeffy, when in your lifetime has an opposition party's base turned long established medical procedures into political footballs to the point their constituents are dying because of it? Because if you think now is like any other time in your or my life times you're even stupider than I ever imagined.

#65 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 08:45 PM | Reply

Very terrible?

What has he done that's been "very terrible"?

Waste a surplus budget? Get us involved in unnecessary wars? Pass tax cuts for billionaires? Ignore the pandemic? Spread hate and division?

Come on. Let's see if you can answer a question.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-28 08:45 PM | Reply

" How is this faction any more impactful today than they were when Obama was president?"

The border catastrophe is 100% on him. The disastrous pull out from Afghanistan is 100% on him. Cow-towing to Russia, China and Iran is 100-% on him. Inflation was a long time in coming. Of course his massive spending has accelerated it but this was a path we were on long before he came into office. Since coming into office he's done everything in his power to cause fossil fuel prices to rise. Some of that is absolutely on him.

#67 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 08:47 PM | Reply

60

Thanks capt obvious.

There is nothing new about it. It stopped being New Years ago.

What, you didn't think they went away, did you?

Did you not believe people when they told you the rabid horrible partisanship of the GOP directed towards Obama would return when another democrat got back in the WH?

Or did you believe it was all nothing but racism when Obama was president?

#68 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 08:48 PM | Reply

#65 Seeing as how that's not happening anywhere other than the fringe your question is along the lines of "Have you stopped beating your wife?" It's disingenuous as hell.

#69 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 08:49 PM | Reply

-Were they willing to die under Obama?

Yes. Today proves that

#70 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 08:49 PM | Reply

-Acting as if the right base is the same now as '08-16 is obtuse at best, ignorant as ---- at worst.

Acting as if the right base ISN'T the same is what's obtuse.

Trump didn't create this ... .he revealed it.

#71 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 08:51 PM | Reply

The border catastrophe is 100% on him.

Border issue is on him. That's a short term policy issue.

The disastrous pull out from Afghanistan is 100% on him.

That's a load of ----. The drawdown had been going on for months before and he had already gone well beyond his predecessors agreement for when and how withdraw would be achieved.

Cow-towing to Russia, China and Iran is 100-% on him.

Cowtowing? LOL slurp! Thank you, can I have another?

Inflation was a long time in coming. Of course his massive spending has accelerated it but this was a path we were on long before he came into office.

"Massive spending" is in line with previous administrations. Piss off with this blatantly false nonsense.

Inflation is rising globally. But sure. It's all Biden duuhhhhhhh *FFS*

Since coming into office he's done everything in his power to cause fossil fuel prices to rise. Some of that is absolutely on him.

#67 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

More --------.

Sluuuuuuuurpp! Thanks for another!

#72 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 08:53 PM | Reply

Did you not believe people when they told you the rabid horrible partisanship of the GOP directed towards Obama would return when another democrat got back in the WH?
Or did you believe it was all nothing but racism when Obama was president?

#68 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Were they willing to die or to let their followers die under Obama?

Simple question that you seem incapable of grasping or refuse to grasp.

#73 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 08:54 PM | Reply

71

And by "this" I mean the blind adherence to opposition to anything from the Democratic Party.

What you see today are former tea partiers willing to die for their political ideology.

Every single staunch anti-vaxxer I know was a tea partier.

You thought it was all 100% racism.

#74 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 08:57 PM | Reply

-Were they willing to die or to let their followers die under Obama?

If you gave them the choice? Yes they would.

#75 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 08:58 PM | Reply

" That's a load of ----. The drawdown had been going on for months before and he had already gone well beyond his predecessors agreement for when and how withdraw would be achieved."

His first days in office he spent reversing Trump policies, some of which were actually good, yet all of a sudden he was hamstrung by Trump's withdrawal timetable?

Your arms must be exhausted carrying all of that water.

#76 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 08:58 PM | Reply

-Simple question that you seem incapable of grasping or refuse to grasp.

How many times do I have to answer that question?

Keep asking it as if I haven't already answered it clearly.

Nobody will notice

#77 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 08:59 PM | Reply

Seeing as how that's not happening anywhere other than the fringe your question is along the lines of "Have you stopped beating your wife?" It's disingenuous as hell.

#69 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

There's those keen observational skills again.

It's not the fringe, moron.

www.kff.org

Now, six months later, in October 2021, one-quarter (27%) of U.S. adults say they have not gotten a COVID-19 vaccine, but the unvaccinated population is now disproportionately made up of those who identify as Republican or Republican-leaning, with six in ten (60%) identifying as Republican or Republican-leaning

www.brookings.edu

Of Americans surveyed from Sept. 13-22, 72% of adults 18 and older had been vaccinated, including 71% of white Americans, 70% of Black Americans, and 73% of Hispanics. Contrast these converging figures with disparities based on politics: 90% of Democrats had been vaccinated, compared with 68% of Independents and just 58% of Republicans.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a child. When convenient bald faced lies or distortions of reality are used to justify an argument because your argument literally can't exist without it.

#78 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 09:00 PM | Reply

" Cowtowing?"

Yep. Do you need examples?

#79 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 09:00 PM | Reply

Acting as if the right base ISN'T the same is what's obtuse.
Trump didn't create this ... .he revealed it.

#71 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I agree Trump was a symptom.

But you can't, with a straight face, say that the base hasn't been more radicalized in the last 6 years.

But then again, I'm talking to a guy who thinks 1/6 wasn't that big of a deal soooo...

#80 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 09:01 PM | Reply

You thought it was all 100% racism.

#74 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Nope. Try again.

#81 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 09:02 PM | Reply

No answer for this yet?

"What has he done that's been "very terrible"?"

Didn't expect one.

#82 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-28 09:02 PM | Reply

His first days in office he spent reversing Trump policies, some of which were actually good, yet all of a sudden he was hamstrung by Trump's withdrawal timetable?

On one hand you have executive orders that are just directives to executive branch agencies on how to interpret or enforce laws. It's a one party process. POTUS signs, it's done.

An international agreement signed with the full force of our state department is a ...wait for it...a two party agreement! You can't simply roll out and act like it didn't happen.

But you know that.

And yet you're insisting we all follow along with your ignoring reality for convenience.

Your arms must be exhausted carrying all of that water.

#76 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Well I know your brain isn't tired from all that thinking.

#83 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 09:04 PM | Reply

How many times do I have to answer that question?
Keep asking it as if I haven't already answered it clearly.
Nobody will notice

#77 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I was typing something when you answered this. Hadn't gotten to it yet so go slather some ointment on that hurt butt.

In any case I disagree with your answer. They are not the same ideologically, especially post-Trump and post-2020 election. Only an idiot would posit otherwise.

#84 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-28 09:06 PM | Reply

-But then again, I'm talking to a guy who thinks 1/6 wasn't that big of a deal soooo...

You whine about dishonesty and lying more than the next 15 posters easily and you attempt that --------?

"Not that big of a deal"?

If you're trying to be laughed at and never be taken seriously ... ..you're on the right path.

The right isn't more radicalized.

They're just dangerous and ignorant. Voting against their own interest just to spite the other side. Rejecting ideas that were clearly better for them.

Just Like 08-16.

Why in the hell are you arguing with me when we agree what that 30% represents today? You want to go back in time and diminish the obvious behavior of that same group of people just a few years ago?

That high horse riding ... ..it's starting to look like a worn out mule.

#85 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 09:11 PM | Reply

-Only an idiot ...

I realize you've graduated (with honors) from the Clownshack School of How to Debate like a worthless Twerp ... ..

Take your juco diploma back to the boys restroom where it belongs

I've wasted enough time with you already.

Go hump someone else's leg for attention.

#86 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-28 09:15 PM | Reply

Clownshack School of How to Debate
#86 | POSTED BY EBERLY

This you're way of begging for my attention?

How cute.

#87 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-28 09:27 PM | Reply

" On one hand you have executive orders that are just directives to executive branch agencies on how to interpret or enforce laws. It's a one party process. POTUS signs, it's done.

An international agreement signed with the full force of our state department is a ...wait for it...a two party agreement! You can't simply roll out and act like it didn't happen."

Sure you can, if the deal wasn't ratified by the Senate. How do you think Trump just up and pulled out of the Paris Accord and Iran nuke deal?

#88 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 10:10 PM | Reply

Biden was not forced to make any of the do stupid decisions he made in terms of HOW he handled the Afghanistan withdraw.

#89 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 10:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan didn't live up to your expectations?

Have you offered to take in some Afghani refugees?

#90 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-28 10:37 PM | Reply

I supposed they could have stayed for another decade or two?

#91 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-11-28 10:41 PM | Reply

Some people want more occupation and war? What you've done is bad enough.

Just as soon as you volunteer or your children will suffice.

#92 | Posted by fresno500 at 2021-11-28 10:41 PM | Reply

I supposed they could have stayed for another decade or two?

#91 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2021-11-28 10:41 PM

Most people supported the decision to withdraw (I certainly did). The criticisms came from how the withdraw was handled.

#93 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-28 11:46 PM | Reply

The criticisms came from how the withdraw was handled.

Dragged it out too long? They did hold off for a few extra months.

Their big mistake was training and arming the Afghan men instead of the women.

#94 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-11-29 12:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Giving up Bagram was their biggest mistake by far. They fricking abandoned it in the middle of the night and didn't even give their allies a head's up.

#95 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-29 12:10 AM | Reply

That high horse riding ... ..it's starting to look like a worn out mule.

#85 | Posted by eberly

That forced fence riding. Starting to look like a worn out -------.

Sorry, but I don't see 08-16 in current righty craziness. It's just not there and you're a fool if you think otherwise.

#96 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-29 02:17 AM | Reply

Most people supported the decision to withdraw (I certainly did). The criticisms came from how the withdraw was handled.

#93 | Posted by BellRinger

The criticisms came from Trumper bitches who were (secretly) thankful Trump wasn't in charge.

Most critiques of the withdrawal could answer basic questions and required a larger involvement in country.

#97 | Posted by jpw at 2021-11-29 02:20 AM | Reply

-Sorry, but I don't see 08-16 in current righty craziness

I know you don't. But at the time you did. Their behavior was the worst of all time. Ever.

Then, when it's in your rear view mirror....you realize it wasn't that bad. It was partisan politics....... but nothing like now.

"Kids these days with the hair and the attitude....." That describes your view.

I predicted then you would realize you were overreacting at some point.

You'll realize the same thing in the future regarding now.

It's a certainty.

-That forced fence riding

It's called reality

If you're going to preach it....then try it yourself.

#98 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-29 10:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I love vague bullshht.

#38 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-11-28 06:38 PM

You love bullshht period. You spew it constantly.

I gave you two very specific reasons in that post you're referring to - it's not my fault that you're so triggered that you cant take time to read it.

#99 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-29 12:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Their behavior was the worst of all time. Ever.

How many attempted insurrections had we seen prior to 1/6?

Deplorables have always been around.

But this is the first time in my life time where members of Congress and the President of the United States championed their causes.

First time a white supremacist demonstration was openly condoned by the President.

There's a lot of firsts with Trump.

when it's in your rear view mirror....you realize it wasn't that bad.

Pretty sure we've never been through a time like we're in.

I can't think of something comparable.

Perhaps you can.

Or perhaps you're trying to normalize what we're seeing.

#100 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-29 12:08 PM | Reply

I gave you two very specific reasons in that post you're referring to

Nah. That was just you blaming Biden for supply chain shortages due to covid and a strawman attack on progressives.

Maybe when you have something substantial you'll actually post it.

I doubt it.

#101 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-29 12:11 PM | Reply

I doubt it.

#101 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-11-29 12:11 PM | REPLY |

Of course you do. You're all but blaming Trump for his every failure. Is his dwindling poll numbers Trumps fault too?

#102 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-29 01:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This thread proves that we have a lot of people here who wake up every day believing today is worse than yesterday. Then get up the next day and say it again and the next day and the next day ... ..

And when it's pointed out to them, they attack and insist they are the rational one and it's everyone else who doesn't agree that's "normalizing" or excusing bad behavior.

Which is absurd

I honestly don't understand how people get this way. Fall this far.

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-29 01:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#102 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Still unable to explain what you meant when you wrote, "people are fed up with his crap."

People elected Biden because he wasn't Trump.

I'd wager a significant portion of the vote was for "anyone but Trump."

Since the election, Biden hasn't done anything. Much to my expectations and dismay.

So. When you post, "people are fed up with his crap." Or when Bellyboy writes, "he's been very terrible."

I'm shocked to find out he's actually doing something.

Now. Do you actually have anything specific?

Or is blaming him for things out of his control all you got?

#104 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-29 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

we have a lot of people here who wake up every day believing today is worse than yesterday.

Is this your way of ignoring the questions in #100?

Whatever.

I wasn't expecting an actual discussion.

It takes too much effort from you.

#105 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-29 02:07 PM | Reply

105

We've been through much much worse than what you've seen happen in the past few years. You're just a anonymous chicken little.

Vietnam, open opposition to civil rights, assassinations of impactful leaders (Kennedys, MLK, etc), civil war, unchecked racism/violence throughout the South (and other places) for the past 150 years......oh, and slavery itself.

You think all or even any of what I just mentioned doesn't compare?

Instead, it's "I can't think of something comparable."

Believe what you want....or at least pretend to believe that if you want.

I don't care. You're a joke if you think what the GOP has done in the past few years compares to the atrocities I just mentioned.

#106 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-29 02:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Vietnam

?

open opposition to civil rights,

All the recent laws Republicans have passed are aimed at stripping people of their right to vote.

assassinations of impactful leaders (Kennedys, MLK, etc),

School shooting and mass shootings, daily.

civil war,

We're heading into another one.

unchecked racism/violence throughout the South (and other places) for the past 150 years......

Still prevalent.

oh, and slavery itself.

Literally being removed from history books because it's CRT. Besides. That was just an opportunity for Africans.

I don't disagree. The past has a lot of problems and was worse off for everyone.

But recent history, say, since the 60s and 70s has brought a lot of improvements in life for all Americans. I disagree that things were as bad when Clinton or BushJr were President.

But Trump unraveled a lot of progress. Either that or he encouraged people to be more open about who they are.

Regardless. America was in much better shape prior to the trump administration.

#107 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-29 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Also. To compare.

I hated BushJr, the wars he started, the passing of the patriot and and creation of homeland security, the unnecessary tax cuts that would have helped pay for his wars ...

But, I never thought he was making America worse. Or weakening our nation. Or encouraging division amongst Americans.

If anything. I blame the tea party and the Sarah Palins, Michelle Bachmanns... The idea any idiot can be a politician felt like it really got kicked into high gear during the early Obama years when politicians were being elected simply because they hated Obama more than they loved our country.

Which has become a GQP platform.

#108 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-29 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#104 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-11-29 02:03 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Still un willing to discuss inflation and his green deal I see. What's funny is you acknowledge Biden's failure to do anything but still feel the need to defend him, Reza.

#109 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-30 09:14 AM | Reply

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