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Monday, November 29, 2021

In Michigan, local GOP leaders have sought to reshape election canvassing boards by appointing members who expressed sympathy for former president Donald Trump's false claims that the 2020 vote was rigged.

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The slowmo Coup continues... these folks don't think this is a democracy anyway, so why should they care about fair votes?

Or fair districting? Or fair elections or fanatics storming the Capitol after the Pres orders his VP to violate his Constitutional duties in order to stay in power?

These are the most unAmerican people in the country.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-29 04:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

@#1 ... These are the most unAmerican people in the country. ...

But they are not Democrats, and that appears to be the only thing that matters to the Republican base anymore.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-11-29 04:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Canada anyone?

#3 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2021-11-29 10:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In otherwords, there's not enough blood to run the brain too.

#5 | Posted by BBQ at 2021-11-30 12:14 AM | Reply

So start investigating Trump supporters who weren't willing to let the election go the moment it was obvious he had lost.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-30 02:09 AM | Reply

This has already been happening for months. Which begs the question: Why is WAPO just now catching up?

Without passage of the For the People Act, America will now fall to fascist rule. I wonder if the rest of the World is willing to accept a huge wave of political refugees from America.

#8 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-11-30 09:59 AM | Reply

#8 so you are saying that the only way we can preserve Democracy is to radically rewrite our election law and have the federal government usurp co trol from the states?

#9 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-30 10:06 AM | Reply

"so you are saying that the only way we can preserve Democracy is to radically rewrite our election law and have the federal government usurp control from the states?"

While your party is saying that the only way we can preserve Democracy is to radically replace our election overseers and have the Republican Party usurp control from the states.

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 10:10 AM | Reply

#10 are they writing laws to that effect?

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-30 10:21 AM | Reply

rewrite our election law and have the federal government usurp co trol from the states?

#9 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Rather than have Republican States radically rewrite election laws to to undercut free and fair elections? Absolutely!

www.npr.org

#12 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-11-30 10:50 AM | Reply

are [Republicans] writing laws to that effect?
#11 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

They already have.

How are you so ignorant?

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-30 10:52 AM | Reply

"How are you so ignorant?"

By choice. Bellringer is ignorant by choice. Isn't that apparent?

Ask him a salient question. and he'll accuse you of "gotcha" stuff.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 10:58 AM | Reply

"are they writing laws to that effect?"

Are you joking?!?

FFS, what news outlets do you use that don't report this stuff?

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 11:02 AM | Reply

#13

He either watches nothing but OAN, or he's being deliberately obtuse.

Someone was speculating that Bellringer is a new incarnation of JeffJ. I have to disagree. JeffJ wasn't this stupid.

#16 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-11-30 11:03 AM | Reply

"Rather than have Republican States radically rewrite election laws to to undercut free and fair elections? Absolutely!"

Everyone should be allowed to vote, if you have a heart beat you should be able to vote!

Finally NYC is allowing this ..
www.nytimes.com

Hopefully this goes State wide then National!

#FreedomOverFascism

#17 | Posted by oneironaut at 2021-11-30 11:11 AM | Reply

Someone was speculating that Bellringer is a new incarnation of JeffJ. I have to disagree. JeffJ wasn't this stupid.

Yea. I don't believe Belly is Jeff either.

I have a strong suspicion it's sheepleschism's newest SockPuppet.

My guess is ScottE is JeffJ.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-30 11:13 AM | Reply

Rather than have Republican States radically rewrite election laws to to undercut free and fair elections? Absolutely!
www.npr.org

#12 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2021-11-30 10:50 AM

Georgia is the one state I paid attention to because it got all of the media play.

If you look their changes result in much more access than in 2016/2018 and less restrictive overall than states like New York and Delaware.

Fact is, a lot of changes were hastily made, many of which at the last minute, often unilaterally by governors bypassing state legislatures in 2020. It was somewhat chaotic and it caused distrust in the outcome (had Trump won Democrats would have been crying foul given how many states radically changed how they handled the voting prior to 2020).

#19 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-30 11:30 AM | Reply

When I asked my question I was talking about at the federal level. I am well aware of election law changes at the state level. Let me ask you all this - why was it OK to make drastic changes wily nily to state laws in 2020 but not OK to revisit that, spend time deliberating and craft new laws that expand access but also attempt to minimize fraud?

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-30 11:33 AM | Reply

"If you look and cherry-pick their changes result in much more access than in 2016/2018 and less restrictive overall than states like New York and Delaware."

FTFY.

Now just do voting opportunities in minority neighborhoods.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 11:46 AM | Reply

"When I asked my question I was talking about at the federal level. I am well aware of election law changes at the state level."

Then why are you asking if the feds should get involved. Did you miss that part of the Constitution?

"expand access but also attempt to minimize fraud?"

What "fraud" occurred that they're trying to minimize? Please be specific, because so far, it looks like "fraud" is defined as "anytime we didn't win".

Pro tip: when they're screaming "fraud" at the top of the ticket, but silent regarding down-ticket victories, any-and-all "fraud" is in your mirror.

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 11:50 AM | Reply

" why was it OK to make drastic changes wily nily to state laws in 2020"

Covid. Did you really have to ask???

And willy-nilly?!? Why are you claiming a lie, yet again?!?

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 11:51 AM | Reply

"when they're screaming "fraud" at the top of the ticket, but silent regarding down-ticket victories, any-and-all "fraud" is in your mirror."

That's been my point as well. It's impossible for shenanigans to occur with the presidential election if a ton of down-ticket elections were not also impacted.

If it happened then there would be tons of elections being contested.....for example, we had a state house race where the difference was 8 votes.

Swing states would have had to have plenty of examples of such.....where are those candidates screaming fraud? And quite frankly...if you could point to some local/state races decided by a few votes where some improprieties occured....THAT would be the best way to cast doubt on the presidential election, IMO.

"Willy-nilly" isn't a lie.....perhaps a mischaracterization.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-30 11:59 AM | Reply

Then why are you asking if the feds should get involved. Did you miss that part of the Constitution?

I'm saying the feds should NOT get involved.

Covid. Did you really have to ask???

You didn't answer my follow up question.

What "fraud" occurred that they're trying to minimize? Please be specific, because so far, it looks like "fraud" is defined as "anytime we didn't win".

The biggest thing that is trying to be prevented is ballot harvesting. Also, absentee ballots only mailed out upon request. Tighter controls on the ballot drop boxes (of which there are more now than in 2018 - in Georgia). Some form of voter ID, particularly on mail-in ballots. This can be something as simple as a copy of a utility bill, again we are talking about Georgia law.

#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-30 11:59 AM | Reply

"The biggest thing that is trying to be prevented is ballot harvesting."

How is that fraud?

"Also, absentee ballots only mailed out upon request."

How is that fraud?

"Tighter controls on the ballot drop boxes"

How was that fraud?

"Some form of voter ID, particularly on mail-in ballots."

That already happens, at registration. Again, HOW IS ANY OF THIS ACTUAL FRAUD??? Were there ANY fraudulent votes proven to be cast in ANY of those ways?

If so, please link. If not, please admit.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 12:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I'm saying the feds should NOT get involved."

And I'm asking if you missed that part of the Constitution.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 12:06 PM | Reply

""Willy-nilly" isn't a lie.....perhaps a mischaracterization."

Not when you're using it as a condemnation. It's an outright lie; NO laws were changed "willy-nilly".

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 12:08 PM | Reply

I think we need to get to the bottom of true voter fraud so when Howard Stern kicks Trump's jelly ass in 2024, he will win by 7,000,002 votes instead of 7,000,000.

#29 | Posted by nerfherder at 2021-11-30 12:12 PM | Reply

"I think we need to get to the bottom of true voter fraud"

Here you go: a compendium of the vote fraud convictions across America going back at least 20 years:
www.heritage.org

Even a cursory review will reveal three things:

States average one conviction every two years.
The majority are NOT voters, they're cullers, canvassers, or counters.
NONE of the fraud would've been stopped with voter ID.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 12:18 PM | Reply

Whatsleft "I wonder if the rest of the World is willing to accept a huge wave of political refugees from America." Good luck with anybody escaping the U$A in the middle of this pandemic. Where I live in South America, the boarder has been sealed shut for months to anybody not a citizen or permanent resident. Of course, it has not kept out the waves of Venezuelans or Colombians streaming in from those offed up places but they are working on it and Chile has a straight up Nazi running for President that is saying things that would make Pinochet blush.

#31 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2021-11-30 12:18 PM | Reply

NO laws were changed "willy-nilly".

The poster to write that is a known liar.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-11-30 12:19 PM | Reply

My guess is ScottE is JeffJ.

#18 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-11-30 11:13 AM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

I don't know how you came to that conclusion but you're wrong. I've had only one account here.

#33 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-11-30 12:20 PM | Reply

How is that fraud?

Ballot harvesting has long been controversial and for good reason.

How are any of the measures I listed so problematic that the feds need to step in? File lawsuits and live with the results. Oh, that has already happened, except of course the living with the results part.

#34 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-30 12:25 PM | Reply

So, what part(s) of the Georgia law do you feel disenfranchise their voters compared with what was on the books in 2018?

Is access greater or reduced compared with Georgia in 2018?

#35 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-30 12:26 PM | Reply

"Ballot harvesting has long been controversial and for good reason."

Yeah, I know Republicans in NC got caught doing that. But do you have any actual fraud in the last election you can point to, as the reasons for THIS CURRENT legislation?

"How are any of the measures I listed so problematic that the feds need to step in?"

The measures YOU listed? They aren't. I asked for fraud, and you gave me fantasy.

Meanwhile, in WI, Dems could win by 50 percentage points, and still not control the state legislature. Do you view that as problematic?

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 12:29 PM | Reply

Apply the RICO Act to the Republican Party already.

#37 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-30 12:31 PM | Reply

"what part(s) of the Georgia law do you feel disenfranchise their voters compared with what was on the books in 2018?"

Less drop-off boxes.
No overnight voting.
No drive-thru voting.
Fewer polling places.
More limited Sunday voting.

"Is access greater or reduced compared with Georgia in 2018?"

Depends. What color is your skin?

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 12:31 PM | Reply

-NO laws were changed "willy-nilly".

They are if the changes met MY definition of "willy-nilly".

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-30 12:32 PM | Reply

Wily Nily is a figure of speech. A lot of rule changes were made very close to the election, which is what I described as "wily nily." If that phrase bothers you I rescind it and will just stick with last minute, which is also a figure of speech.

#40 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-30 12:32 PM | Reply

Less drop-off boxes.
No overnight voting.
No drive-thru voting.
Fewer polling places.
More limited Sunday voting.

Than 2018?

That's opposite of what I've read.

#41 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-30 12:33 PM | Reply

"Wily Nily is a figure of speech."

Meaning without sensible or coherent reason or design, which wasn't true. It was done to address a pandemic, and the fact close human contact was passing it. You're pretending it was specifically done to assist one candidate, when it was specifically done to assist voting.

"will just stick with last minute"

Well, when did they realize Covid wasn't going away as quickly as Trump was touting?

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 12:37 PM | Reply

"That's opposite of what I've read."

Of course it is.

Probably the opposite of what your "news" outlets "report", too.

Try facts:
www.politifact.com
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/breaking-claims-georgias-election-law-true/story?id=76897349

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 12:45 PM | Reply

^Full link:
abcnews.go.com

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 12:46 PM | Reply

I asked how the new law compared with what the law was in 2018.

Your links compare the new law with what was implemented in 2020.

#45 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-30 12:52 PM | Reply

"I asked how the new law compared with what the law was in 2018."

Be sure you pick enough cherries for everyone.

And while you're at it: WHERE IS THE FRAUD? Like I said, either link to it, OR ADMIT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY.

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 01:13 PM | Reply

"No drive-thru voting."

CORRECTION: That's Texas, not GA, wanting to end drive-thru voting.

My retraction, and apology.

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 01:17 PM | Reply

#46 You are the one picking cherries. The Georgia law was a response to all of the radical changes made in the lead-up to the 2020 election, many changes were made very late in the process.

So, that's totally OK but sitting down and deliberating a new election law that incorporates some of the 2020 changes along with some reversion to where things were in 2018 pre-Covid is completely unacceptable?

#48 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-30 01:19 PM | Reply

#47 I didn't follow the changes to the Texas law so it may be more indicative of the issues and concerns you have.

#49 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-30 01:21 PM | Reply

"The Georgia law was a response to all of the radical changes made in the lead-up to the 2020 election"

You're a liar. The Georgia law was a response to Democrats winning the 2020 election, as every political junkie knows, including you.

"I didn't follow the changes to the Texas law"

You mean the "news" outlets you use didn't mention it. Why don't THEY believe you deserve the truth, either?

#50 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 01:36 PM | Reply

when the only way you can win is via massive cheating,
either your message is wrong, or you've lost all sense
of morality, or both...

my answer w the GOP, is both...

#51 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-11-30 02:23 PM | Reply

And still, no actual proof of fraud from Bellringer. What a surprise.

#52 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-12-01 10:16 AM | Reply

As I've stated b4, so shall I state again...

The GOP is playing 'Game of Thrones' (ie. win by ANY means necessary).

The Democrats continue to play a game of Chess in which they are the only
side still playing...

Dump the filibuster, get what you need to get passed,
play GoT and F the consequences! The Dems, as it stands, are
'hell bound to lose' with their current 'strategy' in both 2022 and 2024.

#53 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-12-01 10:53 AM | Reply

So many of you are hilarious. Do some research. Part of Trump's argument is that many of the people in charge of vote integrity were Dems and there is evidence that proves it. It doesn't prove they did anything wrong, it just proves that they are Dems in positions of power that can impact the very integrity they are supposed to protect. So now Trump is trying to do the same thing. So, the reason Dems are being ignored so much and lost so many votes recently is because of this kind of hypocrisy. If putting in a political party into a bunch of key positions is wrong, then why did Dems not care at all when it favored them? Obviously rhetorical since so many Dems can't be objective.

I'd love for Dems to stop this but there is no way I could be a decent human being and support them when they didn't care about it when it was favoring them. Same thing with gerrymandering in the 90s when Dems when wild and redrew lines that benefited them significantly, and then Reps start doing it a decade later and all of a sudden Dems have a huge temper tantrum. Get over yourselves.

#54 | Posted by humtake at 2021-12-01 12:26 PM | Reply

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