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Tuesday, November 30, 2021

Three people were killed and six others were injured in a shooting Tuesday at Oxford High School in suburban Detroit, authorities said. The suspected shooter, a 15-year-old sophomore, is in custody, Oakland County undersheriff Michael McCabe said at a press conference. A handgun was also located, he said. The three people killed are all believed to be students, the undersheriff said. Their identities have not been released.

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"Authorities did not say what led up to the shooting. McCabe told reporters that the suspect "invoked his right to not speak."

I'll tell you what led up to the shooting. An irresponsible adult allowed a firearm to fall into the possession of a child and the child did what children sometimes do. Nothing can be done about because the GQP and a majority of the US Supreme Court thinks guns are cool toys and the right for people to go about their day without being murdered by one is outweighed by the right to pop off a few rounds because something didn't go your way.

#1 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-11-30 03:53 PM | Reply

Thoughts and prayers. Nothing can be done.

#2 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-11-30 03:56 PM | Reply

Guns solve all problems.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-11-30 04:12 PM | Reply

I'm going with massive psychotropic drugs to handle his mental problems and a purchased stolen handgun. But yeah, could have been mom's.

#4 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-11-30 04:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

That's a scary video.

Would have been worse if the killer had a car antennae, though.

Guns don't kill, car antennae do.

Also hammers, knifes, and beer bellies are just as bad.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-30 04:23 PM | Reply

ACAB. Defund the police. ANTIFA!

#8 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-11-30 04:42 PM | Reply

Why cant you once, just once, blame the person who pulled the trigger or did the act?

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 04:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Please provide evidence of a single instance in which a police department here in the US has been 'de-funded'.

OCU

#10 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-11-30 04:48 PM | Reply

Let me look.

Nope, none of my many weapons have jumped up and shot anyone today. Even the one I carry with me on a daily basis.

It isnt the gun's fault.

#11 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 04:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Please provide evidence of a single instance in which a police department here in the US has been 'de-funded'.

Damn, that was easy..

www.theguardian.com

#12 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 04:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"It isnt the gun's fault."

Republicans thought it was it during Fast and Furious. Why was that?

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 04:52 PM | Reply

The U.K. has around 30 shooting deaths a year.

The U.S. this year passed 14,000 in September.

#14 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-30 04:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#13,

Bad deflection and equivalence. You can do better than that...

#15 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 04:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The U.K. has around 30 shooting deaths a year.

The U.S. this year passed 14,000 in September.

#14 | Posted by rcade

So?

We are two different societies. They are liberal and submissive. And I wouldnt wont to be a part of theirs..

#16 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 04:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Rcade, London has a higher murder rate than NYC. They just use knives and stuff.

#17 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-11-30 04:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We are two different societies.

Yeah, we're a society that is neck deep in blood and they aren't. You care more about your gun than you do all of the victims of gun violence. That's all you're talking about in this discussion.

You haven't said anything about the kids lying in those classrooms and the parents who dropped them off at school this morning and will never see them again.

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-30 05:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

17

link?

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-30 05:03 PM | Reply

Rcade, London has a higher murder rate than NYC.

This is false. The 30 largest cities in the U.S. all have a higher murder rate than London.

www.cnn.com

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-30 05:04 PM | Reply

" Bad deflection and equivalence."

Why? Is the answer embarrassing? The Republicans' whole beef regarding F&F boiled down to "guns killed people". What was different?

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 05:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You haven't said anything about the kids lying in those classrooms and the parents who dropped them off at school this morning and will never see them again.

And you havent said anything about the debasement of morality since the cultural revolution of the 60's, which took our kids understanding of what a human life is.

And yes, my right to defend myself against the products of liberal indoctrination does outweigh your sense of...well....liberalism.

#22 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 05:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

I found this...

www.cnn.com

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-30 05:06 PM | Reply

Panic in Detroit?

#24 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-11-30 05:06 PM | Reply

link?

Damn, that was easy too..

www.bbc.com

This is false.

Depends on how you describe it..

#25 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 05:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Why? Is the answer embarrassing?

No, we arent talking about F&F. We are talking about a child who killed their classmates. You wont it to be about guns. It isnt.

#26 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 05:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

My thoughts and prayers are with the people of (insert city, school, church, concert venue, event here) for this horrific act of evil and to the families of those impacted by this tragedy.

#27 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-11-30 05:08 PM | Reply

***(want it)***

#28 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 05:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Why cant you once, just once, blame the person who pulled the trigger or did the act?
#9 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Let's use drunk driving as an analogy!

I'm not interseted in blaming the drunk driver, though certainly they deserve blame.

I'm interested in preventing the next drunk driving death. Solving the drunk driving problem.

You aren't.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-30 05:08 PM | Reply

We are talking about a child who killed their classmates with a gun.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-30 05:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And you havent said anything about the debasement of morality since the cultural revolution of the 60's, which took our kids understanding of what a human life is.

Did you time travel here from 1975?

#31 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-30 05:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"We are talking about a child who killed their classmates."

Who were we talking about during F&F?

"You wont it to be about guns. It isnt."

You want to pretend Republicans aren't hypocrites about guns. They are.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 05:11 PM | Reply

"And you havent said anything about the debasement of morality since the cultural revolution of the 60's, which took our kids understanding of what a human life is."

What's your plan for making it harder for kids to get access to... checks notes... cultural debasement?

LOL

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-30 05:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"the cultural revolution of the 60's, which took our kids understanding of what a human life is."

Hey Boaz,
You're blaming legalized abortion, right?

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-30 05:13 PM | Reply

I'm not interested in blaming the drunk driver, though certainly they deserve blame.

As well you should. And blaming the drunk driver has cut deaths considerably. But no one banned cars.

You drive drunk, you get consequences. Like jail. Guns are no different.

You shoot someone, you go to jail just like if you drive drunk and hit someone.

Either way, the person doing the act gets charged, just as happened in this incident.

Your comparisons suck.

#35 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 05:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You're blaming legalized abortion, right?

Nope. I'm actually pro abortion now. Not that I would have one.

But there's no doubt that our moral stuff has taken a hit in the last 30 years, leading to what we are seeing today.

#36 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 05:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

It isnt the gun's fault.
#11 | POSTED BY BOAZ

It's the 60s fault!
#22 | POSTED BY BOAZ

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-30 05:15 PM | Reply

"But there's no doubt that our moral stuff has taken a hit in the last 30 years, leading to what we are seeing today."

I have doubts.

Notably, because there's less murder now than there was then.

Got any other proof of how our morality has slipped?

Also, the 60s were a lot more than 30 years ago, Boomer.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-30 05:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In a nutshell, Snoofy..

It's the 60s liberal, feminists fault!
#22 | POSTED BY BOAZ

#39 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 05:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Got any other proof of how our morality has slipped?

www.the-sun.com

#40 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 05:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Also, the 60s were a lot more than 30 years ago, Boomer.

Touche...

#41 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 05:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Homicide, not murder. Legal definitions differ widely. Also, look at the crime maps....

#42 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-11-30 05:22 PM | Reply

We are talking about a child who killed their classmates with a gun.

#30 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Umm sorry ... too soon ... all we have available right now are thoughts and prayers.

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-11-30 05:23 PM | Reply

"But there's no doubt that our moral stuff has taken a hit in the last 30 years,"

That'll happen when almost all the gains get concentrated at the top. Suddenly, instead of the CEO making 10 times the workers (or 100 times) it's now over 350 times. Soon the CEOs will average a year's pay for each worker's day of work.

That'll hit you right in the morals.

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 05:23 PM | Reply

It's the 60s liberal, feminists fault!
#39 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Why cant you once, just once, blame the person who pulled the trigger or did the act?
#9 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Sounds like Boaz and Boaz have a lot to talk about!

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-30 05:23 PM | Reply

How do you use the Internet at all if non-nude photos of Madonna give you the vapors?

Nobody is genuinely offended by those photos. There's only a bunch of numpties like Piers Morgan pretending to be offended for performative reasons.

#46 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-30 05:25 PM | Reply

I love it.....now it's being said that if we pay people to be moral....they'll be moral.

And the example used to illustrate it?

CEO's.....that moral group who behaves so....well....moral. LOL

If the CEOs would just give the poor their money....they'll all start behaving better.

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2021-11-30 05:27 PM | Reply

OK RCade I was using 2017 starts, here: www.cnn.com

#48 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-11-30 05:29 PM | Reply

Please provide evidence of a single instance in which a police department here in the US has been 'de-funded'.

Damn, that was easy..
www.theguardian.com

#12 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Boaz seriously check out what Camden nj did with their police force
They changed their policing completely and seen a massive redutin murder and other serious crimes
I see them as a model for other cities
Basically a back to neighborhood policing where the police walk their beat and get to know the people
It has resulted in a far better relationship between the police and the citizens
The police actually get to know people and get help (ie trust) from the community which helps them Id the actual criminals

#49 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-11-30 05:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#46

Just think how many would've died if the internet was around when Mae West was in her prime. Unfathomable.

#52 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-11-30 05:36 PM | Reply

OK RCade I was using 2017 stats ...

The claim that London had a higher murder rate in 2017 than New York City is dubious. Look at the year to year chart here:

www.bbc.com

#54 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-30 05:39 PM | Reply

Boaz seriously check out what Camden nj did with their police force

I will...

#55 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 05:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Look at the year to year chart"

London's rate went above NY's "briefly" in February of that year.

It's one of those anomalies caused by cherry-picking a small enough time window for it to work. No doubt the days/weeks/month involved had an outlying event in London that skewed the averages.

You're right to point out the (literal) larger picture.

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-11-30 05:49 PM | Reply

#57,

I guess the argument could be that if guns were more freely available, there would be more deaths...

#58 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 05:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- You care more about your gun than you do all of the victims of gun violence. That's all you're talking about in this discussion.

If shooting up junk cars with assault-style weapons on weekends ever becomes less popular, we might actually get some decent gun laws.

I mean really, other than killing lots of people real fast as they were designed to do, that's all they are good for.

There are a lot of other guns available for personal and home protection.

#59 | Posted by Corky at 2021-11-30 06:07 PM | Reply

I guess the argument could be that if guns were more freely available, there would be more deaths...

#58 | Posted by boaz

They are ... and there are.

We never had this level of gun violence in the 20th or 21st centuries before the explosion of handguns and assault weapons sales.

#60 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-11-30 06:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

from Grosse Pointe Blank:
www.youtube.com

#61 | Posted by LesWit at 2021-11-30 06:34 PM | Reply

Why cant you once, just once, blame the person who pulled the trigger or did the act?

#9 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2021-11-30 04:48 PM | FLAG EYE ROLL

Boazo... you really need to pay attention.

The "person" pulling the trigger is the shooter. Obviously, because he had and used a gun. The Trigger Puller pulled the trigger to kill others. The trigger is an integral part of a firearm used to insert bullets creating fatal wounds into living things. He used it for its stated purpose. We do blame the shooter...you know... the one holding the gun? The connection isn't difficult to make... except in cl0wnville.

Tigger pullers are usually gun owners and are more likely to kill someone they know or themselves because they are in some random out-of-control emotional state than to shoot protecting themselves, defend others... or put substantial amounts of food on the table.

I'll bet that pathetic little punk trigger puller never had to hunt one day in his life to feed himself or others.

#62 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-11-30 06:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All you people that are trying to frame this in a way that suits your politics are sick.

#63 | Posted by Tor at 2021-11-30 06:43 PM | Reply

Do we even know where this kid got the gun yet?

If you remember the Dylan Roof case, he was sold a gun when he was supposed to be on a no buy list. Failure of the government. The Pulse nightclub shooter had been turned in by his family and people at his Mosque as bat-schitt crazy.

#64 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-11-30 07:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Happy Tuesday, grateful, thankful, and blessed.

Toodles.

#65 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-11-30 07:53 PM | Reply

" Do we even know where this kid got the gun yet?"

Nope. We know very little about this shooting other than it happened.

Doesn't prevent people from immediately jumping to conclusions though.

#66 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-11-30 08:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I thought it was goatman or wisgod. But then, they could be anybody.

#68 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-11-30 09:13 PM | Reply

I guess the argument could be that if guns were more freely available, there would be more deaths...
#58 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Hooray, you get it.

Guns are too freely available in the United States. With obvious results.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-30 09:18 PM | Reply

"If you remember the Dylan Roof case, he was sold a gun when he was supposed to be on a no buy list. Failure of the government."

The failure is being allowed to buy a gun unless you're on some government list.

You don't trust government, but you trust a government list to stop crazy shooters? What a comedian you are! Too bad the punch line is measured in bodies.

You should need to have a psych evaluation before buying a gun. Or at least some kind of basic competency evaluation.

Nobody else makes this a right, and nobody else gets their schools shot up either.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-11-30 09:24 PM | Reply

If you remember the Dylan Roof case, he was sold a gun when he was supposed to be on a no buy list. Failure of the government.

So you're in favor of strongly increasing the federal funding to check gun purchases?

#71 | Posted by rcade at 2021-11-30 09:56 PM | Reply

Hooray, you get it.

Guns are too freely available in the United States. With obvious results.

#69 | Posted by snoofy

Nah,

We still have the right to carry. I also think we should put more focus on the individual not the weapon.

#72 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 10:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I guess the argument could be that if guns were more freely available, there would be more deaths...

Used to be when people got into a fight they'd punch each other, and finally give up or someone would end up in the hospital. If a gun is involved, there's no recovery and the use of it is instant and done. The result is death. There is no time to fight, to wear out, to cool off. The life is over in a flash.

That's what happens when guns are ubiquitous.

People are people. You aren't going to control them or regulate them, which is what your'e saying isn't it? Do you do see the irony in you putting the focus on the individual as a possible way to solve this problem?

I can't tell you how many people I know that have shot someone (or been shot) by a perfectly law abiding person. At least up until they weren't.

#73 | Posted by YAV at 2021-11-30 10:38 PM | Reply

I also think we should put more focus on the individual not the weapon.
#72 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Me too.

Giving all individuals the right to bear arms necessarily puts some guns into the hands of the wrong people.

Focus on the fact that not all people should have the right to carry.

There's only one fix for that.

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-01 01:29 AM | Reply

Even in Detroit it follow percentages.

#75 | Posted by fresno500 at 2021-12-01 07:18 AM | Reply

I know this goes against the logic here. But I'm going to wait for facts to come out, and then possibly voice what could have prevented it.

#76 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-12-01 08:04 AM | Reply

Government screws up, give them more money? Was a lack of money the reason for the FUBAR? One thing the Feds don't lack is money.

#77 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-12-01 08:24 AM | Reply

I mean really, other than killing lots of people real fast as they were designed to do

#59 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2021-11-30 06:07 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Not what it's designed to do. The high fire rate carbines are designed to prevent movement of targets at 400 yards so that you can call in mortars on them. If you wanted to kill people as fast as possible there are much better designs.

#78 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-12-01 08:41 AM | Reply

#29 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

#35 | POSTED BY BOAZ

There was a lot more than law enforcement involved in reducing drunk driving behavior, crashes, injuries, and deaths from the highs in the mid 80's. Laws and law enforcement, including police, prosecutors, and the courts, are only a part of the solution. Technology, education, changing social norms, played very large roles. I would even say larger roles in actually changing how people think and view drunk driving. It will likewise take a lot more than law enforcement to change the culture leading to kids bringing guns to school to kill classmates.

#79 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-12-01 10:01 AM | Reply

I know this goes against the logic here. But I'm going to wait for facts to come out, and then possibly voice what could have prevented it.
#76 | POSTED BY KWRX25

Give us your insights into other mass shootings then. Any common threads there?

I see two. The Second Amendment, and the pro-gun culture created by Second Amendment supporters.

(There's a few others, like it's usually angry white males who do it, but we can't really prevent the existence of white males. We could however make it a lot harder for people to get guns.)

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-01 10:15 AM | Reply

White people are 57.8% of the population but only 50% of the mass shooters. If you want to be #1 you're going to have to step it up.

#81 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-12-01 10:22 AM | Reply

Almost always male though, and it's almost always targeting women. It was a bit on those Liberatarians Penn & Teller's show, arm every woman.

#82 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-12-01 10:24 AM | Reply

Republicans have proven time and again that no number of dead children is enough to cause them to reconsider their obsession with fondling their weapons.

A gunfreak's hobby is more important than my child's life. This is the America we live in.

#83 | Posted by JOE at 2021-12-01 11:48 AM | Reply

yawn.
So what?
We have already moved past this discussion.
America has decided via the courts and NRA bribery: the deaths of thousands of people every year due to guns is perfectly acceptable.
In other words: the Second Amendment trumps your right to be free from being killed indiscriminately by guns.

#84 | Posted by e1g1 at 2021-12-01 11:56 AM | Reply

And you havent said anything about the debasement of morality since the cultural revolution of the 60's, which took our kids understanding of what a human life is.

And yes, my right to defend myself against the products of liberal indoctrination does outweigh your sense of...well....liberalism.

#22 | Posted by boaz at 2021-11-30 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag

You mean the moral society that allowed people to be owned because they were African until 1865?

Or the moral society that allowed public lynchings of runaway slaves?

Or the moral society that tolerated church burnings and the klan killing black families?

Or the moral society that did not allow women to participate in government until the 20th century?

Or the moral society that didn't allow people to get married because they were different races?

Save us your lamentations of the evils of the cultural revolution of the 60's.

Today there are three families that are planning funerals for their children instead of christmas shopping for them.

#85 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-12-01 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

...the debasement of morality since the cultural revolution of the 60's...
#22 | Posted by boaz

Was that the morality that allowed them to keep your ancestors as livestock? Or the morality that allowed them to work 6 year olds in the coal mines? Maybe the same morality that allowed them to marry off their 12 year old daughters for some land.
Should I go on?

#86 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-12-01 12:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Nixon beat me by 16 min.

#87 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-12-01 12:29 PM | Reply

Do we even know where this kid got the gun yet?
#64 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

I answered that question with the first comment. He got it from an irresponsible adult who allowed it to fall into the hands of a child.
We have sense learned that adult also happened to be his father. I hope both the father and son are charged in the murders of 14 year old Hana St. Juliana, 16 year old Tate Myre and 17 year old Madisyn Baldwin.

I also hope these murders will bring about changes in law that will force gun owners to take responsibility for the whereabouts of their weapons.

#88 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-12-01 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

*since

#89 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-12-01 12:35 PM | Reply

We are two different societies. They are liberal and submissive. And I wouldnt wont to be a part of theirs..

#16 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Says the guy with a--------, cat o' nine tails and a leather jumpsuit in his closet.

#90 | Posted by jpw at 2021-12-01 01:47 PM | Reply

So you're in favor of strongly increasing the federal funding to check gun purchases?

#71 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2021-11-30 09:56 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

No. I'm in favor of enforcing whats in place currently.

Roof was crazy as a loon and was on a no buy list. Why cant we lock up whoever made that mistake?

#91 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-12-01 03:06 PM | Reply

And parents??

#92 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-12-01 03:38 PM | Reply

#88 Michigan already has this as law. The Parents very well could face charges exactly as you state.

#93 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-12-01 04:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Just catching up...

But there's no doubt that our moral stuff has taken a hit in the last 30 years, leading to what we are seeing today.

#36 | Posted by boaz

Please explain that so I can explain all the ways you are wrong. Overall as a nation, our morals are much elevated over even then. I would also argue Liberals have more actual morals than Conservatives. But let's talk morals.

#94 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-12-01 05:15 PM | Reply

#91 | Posted by lfthndthrds

You see you are going to have to increase the funding significantly to enforce the laws in place. The NRA and Republicans have seen to it they are poorly or completely unfunded.

#95 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-12-01 05:18 PM | Reply

#80...

Without knowing the 'why' from the kid shooters perspective I don't know if this fits, but ...

Having done the math from the time I was in school, the number of guns has increased but the percentage of gun owners has stayed rather static. To me this says that someone might own 1 gun or 400 guns, but the number of people someone knows who has a gun has stayed pretty much the same. This means access to a gun is still similar to when I was kid.

So what has changed from when I was a kid, and literally knew people who had rifles in their trucks in the parking lot of the school, to now? It's not the access to a gun. So what else has changed that makes a kid feel that their only choice is to bring a weapon to school and kill their peers?

To me that is what has changed and needs to be solved. Seems youth mental health is suffering, but what the answer to that is I do not know. Would love to discuss.

#96 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-12-01 05:31 PM | Reply

15 year old plans a shooting spree; is tried as an adult.

17 year old plans a protestor hunting spree; is called a hero child by the fascist right.

#97 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2021-12-01 05:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

KWRX25

"Would love to discuss."

Some are blaming violent video game causing kids to lose sensitivity to the pain of others.

#98 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-12-01 06:09 PM | Reply

So what has changed from when I was a kid, and literally knew people who had rifles in their trucks in the parking lot of the school, to now? It's not the access to a gun. So what else has changed that makes a kid feel that their only choice is to bring a weapon to school and kill their peers?
To me that is what has changed and needs to be solved. Seems youth mental health is suffering, but what the answer to that is I do not know. Would love to discuss.

#96 | POSTED BY KWRX25 A

We carried our hunting guns to school and either left them in the vehicle or checked them in at the main office.

What changed? I'm not sure but I bet if you could see everything these mass shooters had in their blood at the time, you would likely be able to put a lot of this together. America is a walking pill bottle.

#99 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2021-12-01 06:41 PM | Reply

www.thedailybeast.com

#100 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-12-01 07:21 PM | Reply

#96 | POSTED BY KWRX25

#98 | POSTED BY TWINPAC

That's part of it. There's a great deal more.

www.google.com

#101 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-12-01 07:50 PM | Reply

Another thing that corresponds with the increasing trend of shootings was the invention of the smart phone and social media

#102 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-12-01 08:40 PM | Reply

Another thing that corresponds with the increasing trend of shootings was the invention of ivermectin.

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-01 08:42 PM | Reply

"So what has changed from when I was a kid, and literally knew people who had rifles in their trucks in the parking lot of the school, to now?"

Let me think...

Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of income.

Desperate times call for desperate measures!

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-01 08:43 PM | Reply

No sense in second guessing. We'll learn more about this kid's motivation when he goes to trial.

#105 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-12-02 12:49 AM | Reply

We'll learn more about this kid's motivation when he goes to trial.

Possibly. We'll hear his lawyer's version of his motivation at least.

#106 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-12-02 01:02 AM | Reply

REDIAL

I'm wondering if this isn't a fallout from the Rittenhouse case.

Or . . . for all we know his girlfriend just broke up with him.

#107 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-12-02 01:21 AM | Reply

I'm wondering if this isn't a fallout from the Rittenhouse case.

Don't see it myself. Something just came unscrewed... mebbe just when he got his mitts on a gun, maybe not.

#108 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-12-02 01:25 AM | Reply

I'm wondering if this isn't a fallout from the Rittenhouse case.

It's not.

#109 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-12-02 01:28 AM | Reply

"I'm wondering if this isn't a fallout from the Rittenhouse case."

They are both fallout from the Second Amendment.

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-02 04:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm wondering if this isn't a fallout from the Rittenhouse case.

It's not.

#109 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-12-02 01:28 AM | Reply | Flag

It's fallout from his parents allowing him to be a violent little creep. It's fallout from his daddy buying him an weapon on black friday. It's fallout from people who knew him and what he was posting on social media and not warning the authorities.

#111 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-12-02 12:04 PM | Reply

17 year old plans a protestor hunting spree; is called a hero child by the fascist right.

#97 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2021-12-01 05:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

To be fair, one of the people he killed had a backpack.

#112 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-12-02 02:56 PM | Reply

It appears that the mother might be the most liable parent in this case. The Oakland County prosecutor has reported that they have social media posts where, over the weekend, the mother bragged about 'practicing' with her son and his new 'gift'. Also, on Monday, the day before the shooting a teacher found the 15-year old using his cellphone in class searching the internet for where he could buy ammo. The teacher reported this to the school administration who left a voice mail for the parents telling them what had occurred. Later that day the mother texted her son telling him that she supports him but that he needs to "learn how not to get caught". On the morning of the shooting, the parents and their son, were called to a meeting with school administrators where this and other issues were discussed and the parents were advised that their son needed immediate counseling, but they refused to consider it, and they also refused to take their son home with them. It's very likely that their son had the gun with him, in his backpack, during this meeting. Later, when the first news of the shooting came out, the mother texted her son telling him to "not do this".

OCU

#113 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-12-03 03:39 PM | Reply

It's now being reported that the police cannot find the parents and that an all-points-bulletin has been issued.

OCU

#114 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-12-03 03:39 PM | Reply

"It's now being reported that the police cannot find the parents and that an all-points-bulletin has been issued."

KWRX25,
Is this a good enough reason to take their guns away?

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-03 03:54 PM | Reply

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