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Wednesday, December 01, 2021

The future of abortion rights will face its most consequential test in nearly 30 years when the Supreme Court convenes Wednesday to hear a high-stakes showdown that takes aim at nearly five decades of precedent.

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Just keep religion out of the discussion.

#1 | Posted by kudzu at 2021-12-01 08:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Impossible with this stacked court.

#2 | Posted by qcp at 2021-12-01 08:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Meh.

#3 | Posted by visitor_ at 2021-12-01 09:04 AM | Reply

Let me just say this now......this issue has gone further than I predicted.

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-01 09:08 AM | Reply

Roe is dead. And it's not even religion. There's nothing in the bible about abortion.

"What did Jesus say about abortion, the favorite subject of Jeffress and the rest of the evangelical movement? Nothing. What does the Bible say about abortion, a practice as old as civilization? Nothing. Not one word."

Chris Ladd

#5 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2021-12-01 09:15 AM | Reply

It'll be overturned.

And despite what some impotent Dem Senator said, no, there won't be a revolution over it.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2021-12-01 09:34 AM | Reply

Good thing the dems did nothing to assure garlands appointment
Not like it matters
Here's hoping every single female ------- voter of child bearing years has an unwanted pregnancy
And the wife/girlfriend/daughter of every male ------- voter does likewise

I think I will begin to enjoy the misery of others
It seems a far easier life to live

#7 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-12-01 09:39 AM | Reply

I'm curious as to the long term economic impact of this
Assuming there is a major revision of roe v wade ala the Texas law
I would imagine there be a long term brain drain as more educated people will choose to not live in such backwards states
My daughter decided against UGA partially because of the state's conservative slant
I think that pro choice groups should be mobilizing to boycott businesses from anti choice states
Economics are where the legislatures will start taking notice

#8 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-12-01 09:46 AM | Reply

Here's hoping every single female ------- voter of child bearing years has an unwanted pregnancy

They do. All the time. Difference is, they grow up and have the baby and become parents, unlike liberals.

And yes, I'm pro abortion now. Only because I wouldnt want you to lose a freedom just because I dont partake in it.

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2021-12-01 09:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Y'all Queda finally got their wet dream of inserting themselves in between the decision between a woman and her doctor.

I don't see how the right to privacy or how your nosy next door neighbor has been injured to sue everyone involved in a woman getting a medical procedure, but I am sure that Keggernaugh and Covid-Barrett have had their clerks scrambling to find the legal justifications to allow it.

Howdystan legislatures all across 'Murica are drooling over enacting similiar laws.

#10 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-12-01 09:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They do. All the time. Difference is, they grow up and have the baby and become parents, unlike liberals.

Yeah, right LOL

And Baptists don't drink, right?

God damn, son.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2021-12-01 10:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Audio is on now - live.

#12 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-01 10:02 AM | Reply

I would imagine there be a long term brain drain as more educated people will choose to not live in such backwards states

I wish.

But you liberals keep screwing up your states, you start looking for more family friendly and nice places to live, which happen to be in conservative areas.

#13 | Posted by boaz at 2021-12-01 10:06 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

There's nothing in the bible about abortion.

Neither in the Constitution.

#14 | Posted by boaz at 2021-12-01 10:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Boaz,

"And yes, I'm pro abortion now."

Hmm....

I'm not pro abortion but I am pro-choice.

I believe it is killing a human life and fundamentally wrong.

However, I also believe the woman should have the option of living with this.

This Supreme Court has demonstrated they do not rubber stamp cases based on ideology.

The fear mongering of the left is pointless.

That being said they may not be happy with the ruling but that doesn't mean it was based on religion.

#15 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-12-01 10:14 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm not pro abortion but I am pro-choice.

Yea, that sounds about right. I'm the same way.

This Supreme Court has demonstrated they do not rubber stamp cases based on ideology.

Yep. Something a liberal court couldnt do.

Liberals act just like my 25 year old child. That's what they remind me of..

#16 | Posted by boaz at 2021-12-01 10:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Damn. Boaz rejects his own flesh and blood.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-01 10:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Neither in the Constitution.

This is an enormously dangerous position to take. He's going to get his ass handed to him over that approach.

The oral arguments aren't going well for Scott Stewart at this time. He sounds like all he has is feelings about it, and nothing of substance. It's rather embarrassing for Mississippi.

#18 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-01 10:22 AM | Reply

But you liberals keep screwing up your states, you start looking for more family friendly and nice places to live, which happen to be in conservative areas.

#13 | POSTED BY BOAZ

No, it's because the low level of success in red states leads to two outcomes:

a. they're cheap to live in

b. there's lots of opportunities because the competition offered by red state populations is so low

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2021-12-01 10:22 AM | Reply

Neither in the Constitution.

#14 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You're a strict constructionalist again?

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2021-12-01 10:23 AM | Reply

"Liberals act just like my 25 year old child"

in other words, your 25 year old "child" constantly says that you're full of ---- and has the facts to prove it.

#21 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-12-01 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Haha! Stewart's saying that same sex marriage is out of reach - so that's apparently in the Constitution... along with a hole lot of other things.

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-01 10:26 AM | Reply

Some,

Personally, I do not believe any translated versions of the Bible can be regarded infallible as some conservatives profess.

Some accepted Christian beliefs are from extrapolation and/or interpretation.

Something not directly mentioned in Bible is not sufficient to say its not Biblical.

#23 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-12-01 10:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Let me just say this now......this issue has gone further than I predicted.
#4 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

Same.

A little history lesson - The late William Rehnquist was a very outspoken critic of the "Miranda" ruling. Yet, when it came back in front of the court he voted to keep it in spite of his personal feelings about the ruling. His reasoning was that it had become so entrenched in our culture it would be wrenching to overturn it given how established it was.

I don't see Roberts voting to overturn "Roe" so that leaves it at a 5-4 ideological split. I could very easily see at least one of the 5 conservative justices siding with Roberts.

#24 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-12-01 10:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Eberly, Bellringer - Maya Angelou has advice for you both:

When people show you who they are the first time believe them.

#25 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-01 10:28 AM | Reply

That being said they may not be happy with the ruling but that doesn't mean it was based on religion.

#15 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

BS It's not about being "happy". It's about women's right to health care.

It was wrong in the 70s to prevent woman from having access to abortion and it's still wrong today.

Nothing has changed but the partisan makeup of the courts.

And we knew as soon as Republicans could stack the courts this would happen and it did.

Period. Hope you Republicans enjoy the dark days you are creating.

Makes me glad I am getting old so I won't have to witness most of it.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-12-01 10:29 AM | Reply

Alito's attempt at throwing a life preserver to the Solicitor General of Mississippi failed miserably.

Still, Stewart could get his ass handed to him, the case could be wretchedly argued and there be no basis for Mississippi's contention, and they'll still get at least 4 votes, and it may be split and MS could win. How embarrassing for the United States that we're even having this trial.

#27 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-01 10:34 AM | Reply

But you liberals keep screwing up your states, you start looking for more family friendly and nice places to live, which happen to be in conservative areas.

#13 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Texas. You are literally only talking about Texas. Texas has low taxes only because its got ---- tons of oil that it taxes...and is subsidized by the rest of the country through the Federal government. And Texas has lots of space because no one wanted to live there until the Blue States filled up.

You never mention states like Mississippi, Utah, Oklahoma, Alabama, etc. because most Red States are ---- holes.

And the only state you mention people leaving is California...which has so many damn people because its so successful that it CONTINUES to grow each year and dwarfs every other state in GDP.

But go on, you lying hack. Facts have never been something you cared about.

#28 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-12-01 10:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I give this about an 80% chance that the
rightwing justices will choose to overturn Roe v. Wade.
They may put up a front, and have some gibberish (oral arguments)
arguing strenuously against it for a bit, but in the end,
they will do as their party wants. Sad. Supposed to be a
branch of govt. separate from political party and influence,
(above it) and it's just the opposite.

elections matter...

#29 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-12-01 10:42 AM | Reply

That being said they may not be happy with the ruling but that doesn't mean it was based on religion.
#15 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Well that's a lie. The entire pro-life movement is a Christian movement. It started in the 70's as a Evangelical movement to get them voting Republican. They just removed the Christian references more recently for court purposes. But you will believe anything, won't you?

#30 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-12-01 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The current female attorney is kicking ass though the conservative justices are showing their hands.

#31 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-12-01 10:54 AM | Reply

15 weeks is not a radical change from 24 weeks? wow

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-12-01 10:54 AM | Reply

Oops. Roberts politely got his ass handed to him. Not sure how that's going to go over with him and his attempt to rationalize a 15 week time, pretending that it's really no different than 24 weeks...

Gotta love a man thinking that 35% of the way through a pregnancy is no different than 60% (or more) through.

#33 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-01 10:59 AM | Reply

15 weeks is not a radical change from 24 weeks? wow

Exactly! My reaction, too. Holy ---!

#34 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-01 11:00 AM | Reply

Sy,

I must not be as brain washed as you.

#35 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-12-01 11:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It sure has become crystal clear why the Right had to get anti-abortion justices appointed to the Supreme Court. They have no legal and no logical argument to make. Nothing. It's nothing but "we believe."

#36 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-01 11:04 AM | Reply

Roe vs Wade is going to disappear. The unintended consequence will be more minority births which repubs will hate. The country is heading left. Uncle Boaz will fight it but he can't stop it.

#37 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-12-01 11:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Listening to the arguments on NPR, a woman's equal right to liberty was important to the original Roe decision, and nothing about that has changed.

What's changed is the political affiliations, and the importance thereof, of the members of the SC.

#38 | Posted by Corky at 2021-12-01 11:22 AM | Reply

you liberals keep screwing up your states, you start looking for more family friendly and nice places to live, which happen to be in conservative areas.
#13 | POSTED BY BOAZ

That's funny. As Wisconsin has slanted more and more to the right (almost entirely via gerrymandering), i've watched our cities and rural areas crumble and look almost entirely at states that take care of their citizens. Minnesota, Washington and Massachusetts are looking awfully nice to me right now.

#39 | Posted by JOE at 2021-12-01 11:29 AM | Reply

The medical science from Roe hasn't significantly changed either. Even with all the advances in medical technology in nearly 50 years fetal viability is still considered to be 24 weeks.

#40 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-12-01 11:36 AM | Reply

Roberts is desperately reaching for a reason, any reason, to hang his need to move the date back to 15 weeks.

#41 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-01 11:45 AM | Reply

Thomas' stuck on the woman that used cocaine isn't a good look for the Court's only Black justice.

#42 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-01 11:46 AM | Reply

"Thomas' stuck on the woman"

Not for the first time!

Thomas has been waiting to stick it to women ever since his rocky appt to the Supreme Court.

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-12-01 11:51 AM | Reply

"They do. All the time. Difference is, they grow up and have the baby and become parents, unlike liberals."
#9 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2021-12-01 09:51 AM

Who knew I wasn't a real parent? Thank God for BOAZ to tell me who I am, even though he couldn't construct a logical argument if it was stacked in front of him.

#44 | Posted by e1g1 at 2021-12-01 11:53 AM | Reply

So... the proponents of this change couldn't find a woman to represent them to the SC?
-
My old pastor used to say that if men could have abortions, they would have been made legal 5,000 years ago. Prolly free, too.

Some protections, imho, for the unborn are a good thing and Constitutional. In what week they begin could be debatable depending on the science. But last time I checked, a single-cell embryonic human zygote is not a human being, much less a citizen of the US, and has not the right of liberty that all citizens, including women, have.

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2021-12-01 12:04 PM | Reply

There is absolutely no reason to change it from viability to 15 weeks. Not one. The only reason the right-wing activists are going to do that is so they can move closer to getting rid of the right completely. This entire trial was a shame.

The right-wing justices embarrassed themselves today.

#46 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-01 01:02 PM | Reply

Re 46.

Yup

And after they are successful at eliminating roe v wade what's next up on their agenda?

All methods of contraception.

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-12-01 01:19 PM | Reply

-When people show you who they are the first time believe them.

Politicians who are lifetime hypocrites? I've been seeing it and believing it my whole life.

#48 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-01 01:19 PM | Reply

Roe vs Wade is going to disappear. The unintended consequence will be more minority births which repubs will hate. The country is heading left. Uncle Boaz will fight it but he can't stop it.

Fighting what? The factual way a liberal woman was trying to control the black population? You do know that's all abortion was intended for, right?

#49 | Posted by boaz at 2021-12-01 01:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Minnesota, Washington and Massachusetts are looking awfully nice to me right now.

#39 | POSTED BY JOE

No doubt the country portions. You wont be moving to the decrpit cities your fellow liberals have destroyed.

But they wont miss you, and you probably will be back. Trying to "change" things.

Here's a hint,

Liberal areas are ------ because of people like you.

#50 | Posted by boaz at 2021-12-01 01:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You do know that's all abortion was intended for, right?

#49 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Interesting. So tell us more about this already debunked Republican lie. Please provide examples.

Please provide links to your sources.

Thx

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-12-01 01:42 PM | Reply

Liberal areas are ------ because of people like you.

#50 | POSTED BY BOAZ

And I suppose Red states are ------ because of people like you.

"A house divided against itself cannot continue to stand ..."

Thanks for dividing us so successfully Republicans.

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-12-01 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Poor get screwed again but the rich will go to liberal states.
B

#53 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2021-12-01 01:58 PM | Reply

- Liberal areas are ------ because of people like you.

But enough about most southern red states.... who top every possible ------ list.

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2021-12-01 02:17 PM | Reply

Mississippi leads other Red States in a hard fight at the Supreme Court to keep even more women in poverty!

#55 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-01 02:21 PM | Reply

Thanks for dividing us so successfully Republicans.

It's not us doing the dividing along racial, cultural lines..

You Democrats/Liberals/feminists own that one!

#56 | Posted by boaz at 2021-12-01 02:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

this turned into a red/blue state argument?

how original.

pat yourselves on the back.

"I think I will begin to enjoy the misery of others
It seems a far easier life to live

#7 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS"

Oh for ---- sakes....stop pretending you didn't go down that road 20 years ago at least.

Problem is, Twoothy, in your attempt to enjoy other's misery....you wound up making yourself miserable.

And why? People you disagree with don't lead you to believe they're miserable at all....which disappoints you.

The only truly miserable people in your life are....

1. yourself
2. people like yourself

#57 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-01 02:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Boaz.

You're a one trick pony.

And that poor thing is dead.

#58 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-01 02:26 PM | Reply

Thread headline should read:

"SCOTUS determines whether to eliminate freedom of choice."

#59 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-01 02:30 PM | Reply

"SCOTUS determines whether to eliminate freedom of choice."

Nah,

You will just have to make a decision before the baby can actually start crying or have a heart beat.

#60 | Posted by boaz at 2021-12-01 02:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You will just have to make a decision before the baby can actually start crying or have a heart beat.

No. You're confused.

This decision will literally have zero effect on my life.

I'm not a woman capable of being impregnated.

This will, however, put limits on women, eliminating their freedom of choice.

Pretend it's a gun and the SCOTUS is determining whether you should be able to buy it.

Hopefully this analogy will help you understand why women might not want other people limiting them.

#61 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-01 03:08 PM | Reply

Boaz wake up. Millions of people on your side hate you for your skin color. Nothing you do will ever change that.

#62 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-12-01 04:06 PM | Reply

Republicans - religions and not - have forever screwed the pooch on their being "pro-life."

Evangelicals are the least likely to get vaccinated, went to church when it's dangerous to do so, without masks, and have proven over and over with their support of politicians who seek to overturn the ACA that they couldn't give a s___ about anyone once they're out of the womb. Unless they live in Africa or Haiti.

#63 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-12-01 06:13 PM | Reply

Ian Millhiser
@imillhiser
.
It's wild that a third of the Supreme Court was appointed by a man who attempted to overthrow the United States government, and we just continue to let those judges hand down decisions.

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-01 06:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

No doubt the country portions. You wont be moving to the decrpit cities your fellow liberals have destroyed.

Contrary to your bumpkin assumptions, some of the best public schools in Washington and Minnesota are located in Seattle and Minneapolis, respectively. So is all the culture and infrastructure.

#65 | Posted by JOE at 2021-12-01 07:19 PM | Reply

#65 | POSTED BY JOE

They learn all they need to know at home and in church. The Bible, a little readin', a bit o' writin', some 'rithmetic. And none o' that there evolution nonsense. Public schools are just liberal propaganda machines.

#66 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-12-01 08:00 PM | Reply

Buffy the Psych Prof
@DrPsyBuffy

Forced pregnancy and birth in a country without paid leave, without universal healthcare access, and without universal childcare is just straight up sadism.


#67 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-01 08:52 PM | Reply

Liberal areas are ------ because of people like you.

#50 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You live in one of the biggest metro areas of that -------- NC.

I went to Pinehurst in October 2020. Google Maps took us on about 30 minutes of backroads to get there.

--------.

Busted down trailers under pine trees with busted down, multi-color pickups sitting in the front lawn. Many of them flying confederate flags.

--------.

#68 | Posted by jpw at 2021-12-02 01:57 AM | Reply

Liberal areas are ------ because of people like you.

What's in the blank,
Rich?
Educated?
Oh, you mean it sucks to be black there.

Why can't blacks succeed in liberal areas, is there some kind of systemic racism or something?

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-02 03:01 AM | Reply

SNOOFY

"Why can't blacks succeed in liberal areas"

Well, if you've been following Boaz' logic, it's because poor blacks get too many freebees from the government which destroys their incentive to succeed. He thinks it's some kind of a liberal plot.

#70 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-12-02 03:31 AM | Reply

Right.

Now do conservative areas.

Are blacks doing better there?

(Is anyone doing better there? No.)

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-02 03:33 AM | Reply

Poll: As Supreme Court hears Mississippi case, just 24% of Americans want Roe v. Wade overturned

news.yahoo.com

#72 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-12-02 04:31 AM | Reply

Irony: When your Republic collapses at the hands of Republicans.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-02 05:00 AM | Reply

AU

Supposedly, the Supreme Court does not bow to public opinion.

However, they have also ceased to be neutral arbiters of the Constitution. They've allowed themselves to become just another wing of the Republican Party.

Collectively, they're too smart for that to be an accident. IMO, they've totally abandoned their neutrality and are completely submissive to the party that appointed them.

The stench is upon them.

#74 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-12-02 05:52 AM | Reply

"Now do conservative areas.
Are blacks doing better there?
(Is anyone doing better there? No.)

#71 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Can you name one black Oligarch that was created by Donald Trump's tax breaks?

I can't think of any.

#75 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-12-02 05:58 AM | Reply

If the SCOTUS overturns RvW, which is likely.

We are going to kick ass in 2024!

#MyBodyMyChoice
#KeepGovernmentOutOfMyBody
#AbortionIsACivilRight

Can you name one black Oligarch that was created by Donald Trump's tax breaks?

Tax breaks help the middle class, and small businesses. ---- the big corporations!

#DefundTheGovernment

Can you name one Oligarch created by Trumps/Biden fascists lockdowns?

I cant think of any.

Lockdowns destroyed minorities gains, helped the rich, upper middle class (working from home), caused more income inequality and destroyed equity gains.

#StopTheLockdowns
#StopTheMandates
#MyBodyMyChoice

#76 | Posted by oneironaut at 2021-12-02 11:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"#DefundTheGovernment"

That's soooo 2001.

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-12-02 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

DefundTheGovernment

Kill America?

You'd make Putin, Xi and all the America haters out there extremely happy.

#78 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-02 07:42 PM | Reply

Question for all of you, if your wife/girlfriend was 12 weeks pregnant and someone intentionally slipped a drug into her drink that caused her to miscarry, was a crime committed? If so, what crime? Or, assume that they ran up and intentionally punched her in the stomach with the intention of causing a miscarriage which then occurred, is it just a case of simple assault against the woman?

#79 | POSTED BY SKR199

Yes, it is called assault and battery (or the like) where the criminal has inflicted bodily harm on the woman. The penalty can be quite severe.

My personal opinion is that the offense is against the woman. I am sure various states, especially conservative states have varying laws which consider the fetus as the victim.

#80 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-12-02 08:33 PM | Reply

You are consistent, so I will give you that. How about the case of the drugging where the only impact was causing the miscarriage and no other effects to the woman - sort of like someone giving her an effective Plan B pill at week 12? Same story in your opinion?

#81 | POSTED BY SKR1994

Not sure what your point is, you seem to be trying to set up a gotcha! Drugging someone is a serious offense, in my book. Causing a miscarriage is bodily harm, I might even consider it grievous bodily harm.

You see, what pro-choice people believe is that it is the woman's body so it is her choice. What you are describing is removing that choice from her. I am not sure how that could be viewed in any way other than heinous. A pro-choice person will view it as a serious crime because of the impact on the woman. Again, conservative states (and even some liberal states, I think like 32) have criminal statutes that recognize the fetus as the victim. I think of that as a slippery slope where you are implying rights on a bunch of cells. I will certainly acknowledge that the issue gets very complicated when the fetus is viable.

Spin things around. Should every woman who has a miscarriage be investigated as a potential criminal for harming a fetus? If you infer rights to the fetus, is it not government's job to protect them and thus, every single miscarriage MUST be investigated. Otherwise, the application of the law is arbitrary and capricious.

And trust me that is a real issue, many pro-life people WANT that type of society.

#82 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-12-02 09:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not sure what your point is..

How about "Hi! I'm your new weekend sockpuppet!"?

#84 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-12-02 09:11 PM | Reply

Yet no matter how the current conservative-dominated court handles pending high-profile abortion cases " perhaps weakening Roe, perhaps gutting it completely " there will be no monolithic, nationwide change. Fractious state-by-state battles over abortion access will continue.

Roe's demise would likely prompt at least 20 Republican-governed states to impose sweeping bans; perhaps 15 Democratic-governed states would reaffirm support for abortion access.

As it should be. Left to the states. Dont like it? Move...

#85 | Posted by boaz at 2021-12-02 09:24 PM | Reply

For me, it is about consistency. Either the being inside is a separate entity with rights, or it is not. Otherwise, we are allowing the 'birthing parent' the right to murder and denying that right to the rest of society. For me, the only 100% consistent approach is conservatives that believes life begins at conception. Every other position (other than birth requires the baby to exit the ---), needs to find a point that defines viability. This is the slippery slope because viability is a constant changing point with medical advances. I tend to side on the rights of fetus over the rights of the mother but it is difficult to define when that right should override as I don't ascribe to the 'life begins at conception' notion.

#83 | POSTED BY SKR1994

You start by saying your all about consistency and end up not ascribing to consistency
You need to check yourself because you are narrowly defining what meets consistency
If conservatives were consistent they would favor policies that help children the poor the marginalized the vulnerable
You know pro life policies
When all the policies they pursue are counter to that
Ie healthcare preschool care guns vaccines income inequality etc
Conservatives are anything but consistent on pro life issues except when it comes to abortion where it really seems to be about control over women and their sexuality
The most consistent approach to take is that it is a woman's individual choice as it is her body
Period full stop
I will allow that upon viability the fetus should gain some standing but here is a little secret you may not realize
Post viability abortion is and would be rare because the woman has committed to the pregnancy and the vast vast majority of post viability abortions are to protect the life of the mother or to terminate a very sick fetus that would suffer for the brief time they would be alive post birth

I suggest you research objective information on what motivates the pro choice person and look at objective statistics before passing judgement

#86 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-12-02 10:04 PM | Reply

s it should be. Left to the states. Dont like it? Move...

#85 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You realize that is not a feasible option for a lot of not most people
Right?
I mean you can't be that stupid
And vicious
Can you?

#87 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-12-02 10:06 PM | Reply

-Conservatives are anything but consistent on pro life issues......

I happen to personally know many conservatives who are consistent on pro life issues.

Against abortion
pro adoption support
pro welfare, food stamps, medicaid
pro health care for all
pro social security, medicare

None of them are evangelicals however. Some are barely religious....although most are very devout Catholics. And yes....I think they represent the minority of conservatives. The majority are the hypocritical morons who are focused only on abortion and reverse themselves on the rest.

I was taught a long time ago the only real true pro-life person is one who supports all I referenced above.

I feel blessed to know those people.

#88 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-02 10:16 PM | Reply

Fair enough
That reminds me of my dad

#89 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-12-02 10:22 PM | Reply

Life begins at birth vs life begins at conception.

I argue it's life at birth.

If you were to argue conception, then what about prior to conception? The sperm and egg are clearly live cells. (Gametes, but why digress.)

Should ------------ be illegal?

If a woman menstruates, should she be accused of an in-inseminated abortion?

Also. Miscarriages are real and happen pretty commonly. But, whose to say it wasn't a forced miscarriage? Should all women who have miscarriages be put on trial and forced to prove her innocence?

#90 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-02 10:49 PM | Reply

Chimera are real, too.
Twins are sometimes reabsorbed and only one is born.
Is the other guilty of murder?

#91 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-02 10:58 PM | Reply

"Miscarriages are real and happen pretty commonly

Twins are sometimes reabsorbed and only one is born."

My wife has experienced both.

It's hard for me to see life not beginning until birth.

Feeling kicks, seeing what you see during sonograms, etc.

But this is personal, not political.

#92 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-02 11:05 PM | Reply

"Should ------------ be illegal?
If a woman menstruates, should she be accused of an in-inseminated abortion?"

I imagine if politicians could turn those into a wedge issue, they'd try.

#93 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-02 11:07 PM | Reply

Life may begin at conception but personhood does not.

#94 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-12-02 11:10 PM | Reply

When does personhood begin? I don't know--somewhere after conception but before birth, but IMO it's not at the moment of conception.

#95 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-12-02 11:14 PM | Reply

I imagine if politicians could turn those into a wedge issue, they'd try.

I believe ------------ was considered an illness.

I assume this was a long time ago.

But it may be more recent than I'm aware.

#97 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-12-02 11:18 PM | Reply

"Sounds like you would have been in favor of saying blacks are 3/5 of a white person."

No. Not at all. Different issue entirely. I don't think a frozen embryo is a person. It has the potential to be a person, but it isn't one.

#98 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-12-02 11:24 PM | Reply

People who believe life begins at conception have a problem with the morning after pill, and, yes, that will be next on the conservative "let's outlaw this" to do list.

#99 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-12-02 11:29 PM | Reply

97

I remember hearing growing up that ------------ was a sin....stems from the 9th commandment. Not a mental illness.

#101 | Posted by eberly at 2021-12-02 11:32 PM | Reply

The whole dumb thing is about getting people mad. Political parties are using you. They have no ideas other than getting people to run around in circles.

#102 | Posted by Brennnn at 2021-12-03 03:46 AM | Reply

How about the case of the drugging where the only impact was causing the miscarriage and no other effects to the woman

A miscarriage is a serious event for a woman, both physically and emotionally traumatizing, you ------- dunce.

And causing a person to ingest a harmful substance, against their will, is and will always be some form of battery, but the form and specificity of the law and penalty will vary by state.

#103 | Posted by JOE at 2021-12-03 07:50 AM | Reply

Okay, so how do you define a 'person'?
#100 | POSTED BY SKR1994

Someone with a date of birth.

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-03 10:00 AM | Reply

Someone who isn't supposed to be attached to another person via the umbilical cord.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-03 10:19 AM | Reply

"If you infer rights to the fetus, is it not government's job to protect them and thus, every single miscarriage MUST be investigated."

How will the government differentiate between a murder scene and a menstrual pad?

#106 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-12-03 12:40 PM | Reply

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