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Thursday, December 02, 2021

Mask mandates saved lives and prevented COVID-19 infections in Missouri's biggest cities during the worst part of the delta variant wave, an analysis by the state Department of Health and Senior Services shows. But the analysis, conducted at the request of Gov. Mike Parson's office in early November, was never made public ...

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Why even bother quashing it??

Republicans will just call it Fake News and go on with their Death Cult activities.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-02 05:51 PM | Reply

Former Co-Workers believes that the vaccine kills more people than the virus. People are crazy.

#2 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-12-02 06:52 PM | Reply

#2

When you say "former," do you mean in the Darwinian sense?

#3 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-12-02 07:00 PM | Reply

Nah I meant I used to work with the guy. He was an alright guy until Trump. He changed into a conspiracy theory nut.

#4 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-12-02 07:11 PM | Reply

Of course this ------- buried this study, it didn't fit his Trumpian GQP narrative, a lie promoted by Reichwing media, DeathSantis, Abbot, and Dotard that masks are ineffective, when in fact they are the second most effect method of stopping the spread of COVID right after the vaccine.

#5 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-12-02 09:49 PM | Reply

Republicans biggest enemy is truth.

#6 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-12-02 11:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump couldn't stop lying to save his life or the life of someone he loved, if he loved someone:

A new lie this morning. Trump was asked why so many of his supporters won't get vaccinated: "People don't want to take them because they don't trust Biden .. We had none of that, everybody was fighting to take them, and we were doing great."

twitter.com

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-12-02 11:54 PM | Reply

GAL

"Trump couldn't stop lying to save his life "

I'm convinced it has to be cellular.

#8 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-12-03 02:17 AM | Reply

"Republicans will just call it Fake News and go on with their Death Cult activities."

Do you believe they work?

Maybe, if you do your due diligence and wear it in accordance with the recommendations of the EPA. Of course their recommendation was to rubber band it to your face. I'm not doing that.

And I don't see how I make a difference by wearing a mask from the time I enter the restaurant until the time I sit down. Maybe someone can explain the science behind that...I've never been able to figure it out.

Apparently COVID also takes a break if I remove my mask because I want to have a drink, smoke a cigarette, or chew tobacco.

#9 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-03 03:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Anda little bit more daily stupid for you.

Here in Germany, many cities have shut down their local Christmas markets. Including my city.

Think about that for second. Closing down a popular outdoor activity due to COVID. Something that will inevitably drive all of those people to get together and do something indoors.

Smart.

#10 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-03 03:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Closing down a popular outdoor activity due to COVID. Something that will inevitably drive all of those people to get together and do something indoors."

Few things wrong there:

It won't drive "all" those people to get together indoors.
And even those who do get together will do so in smaller numbers.

The epidemiologist thought of that, and decided it would be do more to stop the spread, to have people stay home, vs business as usual.

That's where we got shutdowns. Same way we got gay bath house shutdowns to fight the spread of HIV. I guess you must truly believe gays just turned their own homes into fully operational gay bath houses operating at the same capacity?

This tradeoff is discussed in the original Imperial College Report from last March.

What's your reason for still having not read the Imperial College Report?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-03 10:10 AM | Reply

"Of course their recommendation was to rubber band it to your face. I'm not doing that."

For a foot soldier, you're very bad at Just Following Orders.

The Purebloods aren't going to like that.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-03 10:25 AM | Reply

That was an unusually full load of manure, MadBomber.

Masks work.
Period.
Unequivocally.
Demonstrably.
Proven.

You continue to cast any/every action as 100% or 0%.
You've shown no understanding of risk mitigation, or even what those words mean, yet your "job" requires nothing but that, constantly, in every action.

Very strange to me.

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-03 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Maybe, if you do your due diligence and wear it in accordance with the recommendations of the EPA. Of course their recommendation was to rubber band it to your face. I'm not doing that.
#9 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

This study from Missouri using real world data shows that you are once again wrong. Masks help fight the spread and therefore saves. The GOP dominated government of Missouri tried to prevent this data from becoming public because they don't care how much it spreads and how many more variants evolve and how how many people die as long as they can sell their conspiracy theories.

#14 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-12-03 11:07 AM | Reply

Researchers found that surgical masks impede the spread of COVID-19 and that just a few, low-cost interventions increase mask-wearing compliance.
med.stanford.edu

Face masks for COVID pass their largest test yet. A rigorous study finds that surgical masks are highly protective, but cloth masks fall short.
www.nature.com

Mask-Wearing Cuts New COVID-19 Cases by 53%, Study Says
www.webmd.com

Can face masks help slow the spread of the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) that causes COVID-19? Yes. Face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as getting vaccinated, frequent hand-washing and physical distancing, can help slow the spread of the virus.
www.mayoclinic.org

STUDY: HUNDREDS OF LIVES SAVED IN KANSAS COUNTIES THAT ADOPTED MASK MANDATES
news.ku.edu

But hey, go with what you "feel" rather than what it obvious and known. And be sure to tell your surgeons and nurses and medics not to bother wearing a mask when they operate on you.

#15 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-03 11:25 AM | Reply

MadBomber doesn't mind lying when it suits his political goals.

His response to that will be that some of his perceived historical political enemies also told lies to achieve their goals, But he won't acknowledge that Hitler lied about being a Socialist. Likely because Hitler, as a Capitalist, isn't a perceived historical political enemy.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-03 11:33 AM | Reply

"The epidemiologist thought of that, and decided it would be do more to stop the spread, to have people stay home, vs business as usual."

That supposes that, instead of going out and celebrating the holiday season, they'll hole up at home.

Maybe, but why do that if you can get Gluwein and wurst in the restaurant next to the now closed Weinachtsmarkt? You can still buy your trinkets at any number of local stores.

"That's where we got shutdowns."

You get shutdowns because of political fear. Nothing more.

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-03 06:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"For a foot soldier, you're very bad at Just Following Orders."

Am I?

I'm required to have a piece of paper that covers my nose and mouth. Nothing more.

I do that.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-03 06:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"That's where we got shutdowns."
You get shutdowns because of political fear. Nothing more.
#17 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

If by political fear you mean the fear of hospitals being so overrun with COVID patients that they can't treat anyone else, let alone all the COVID patients, and the ensuing crumbling of societal infrastructure under the inability to staff workers since they're either in the hospital, waiting to be in the hospital, or caring for loved ones with COVID and getting COVID themselves, then yes.

That's a pretty healthy political fear for any economy to have.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-03 06:22 PM | Reply

"That was an unusually full load of manure, MadBomber. Masks work. Period. Unequivocally. Demonstrably. Proven."

Here is the number of COVID cases in Germany. Starting in November 2020 when they implemented the mask policy that is still in place today.

www.google.com

If an alien from another planet were to run regression analysis on infection rates and mask mandates, without knowing anything about either, their logical conclusion would be that policy changes on or around 01 October 2020 led to increasing instability and predictability in the number of new cases.

If masks worked, hell, if vaccines worked, why is Germany experiencing new cases that are almost double what they were during this time last year?

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-03 06:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The alien would also conclude that the policy of encouraging flu shots in the fall is what makes flu appears in winter.

Aliens probably aren't as bad at statistics as you are, though.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-03 06:28 PM | Reply

"But hey, go with what you "feel" rather than what it obvious and known."

Dude (or Dudette), explain Germany.

I mean, I don't disagree. I have an M50 gas mask that would prevent COVID to a level tangent to 100%

If I were immunocompromised, I'd wear said mask everywhere.

But I'm not. I will wear the paper mask in the way that checks the box, expecting that all those who are at risk take the additional measures necessary to protect themselves.

The paper is on my face purely to check the box.

#22 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-03 06:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"But he won't acknowledge that Hitler lied about being a Socialist."

That's because Hitler was a socialist. Beyond any shadow of a doubt. Just like Lenin, Che, Stalin, Beriya, and any other number of monsters.

I'll never get why the left has such a problem with acknowledging Hitler's role in the Bavarian Soviet. It's almost like they think Hitler might tarnish the otherwise glittery reputation of socialism.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-03 06:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"If by political fear you mean the fear of hospitals being so overrun with COVID patients that they can't treat anyone else, let alone all the COVID patients, and the ensuing crumbling of societal infrastructure under the inability to staff workers since they're either in the hospital, waiting to be in the hospital, or caring for loved ones with COVID and getting COVID themselves, then yes.That's a pretty healthy political fear for any economy to have."

Here is the infection rate in Germany.

www.google.com

Here is the death rate:

www.google.com

If what you suggest was a problem, the country would not have survived the period from 13 Nov 2020 thru 23 Un 2021. But it did.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-03 06:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The alien would also conclude that the policy of encouraging flu shots in the fall is what makes flu appears in winter."

Maybe. If it were over a timeline of several months.

I this case the timeline goes for about 14 months, during which there were increases, decreases, and more increases in the number of new cases.

"Aliens probably aren't as bad at statistics as you are, though."

OK. Can ou objectively explain the changes in the number of cases despite the underlying social conditions remaining unchanged?

I mean, I think you can. You can say that when one human is permitted to interact with another human, there is the possibility of infection. I would also agree that by prohibiting humans from interacting with each other, you can effectively prevent the spread of the virus. The gray area is solely a function of (an irresponsible government policy that allows) people being able to interact. Regardless of masks or other mandates.

A lot of people don't want to admit this fact...it's just too scary for the coddled class.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-03 06:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"That's because Hitler was a socialist"

...only in order to get power. At least be intellectually honest enough to finish the sentence.

"Beyond any shadow of a doubt."

Oh, I think the socialists he had executed or jailed when he took power would have A LOT of doubt. As would historians trying to find ANY WAY Hitler governed as a socialist.

Pretending Hitler was a socialist because they used the word is like saying Saddam's private Guard was made up of Republicans.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-12-03 06:51 PM | Reply

"That's because Hitler was a socialist."

Riiight. He had Communists and Socialists killed because he's a Socialist.

Do you even acknowledge the existence of Fascism as a political construct? Can you name a few?

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-03 06:57 PM | Reply

"I will wear the paper mask in the way that checks the box, expecting that all those who are at risk take the additional measures necessary to protect themselves."

It's not to protect themselves.
it's to protect everyone.

Do you think you wear our nation's uniform just to protect yourself too?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-03 06:59 PM | Reply

"Can ou objectively explain the changes in the number of cases despite the underlying social conditions remaining unchanged?"

What are these "underlying social conditions" you speak of?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-03 06:59 PM | Reply

Of course, Missouri.
I'm only surprised that they didn't send out a presser that DeadLimbaugh approved of it, then hung a "no masks" sign around the bust of that fat turd's neck.

#30 | Posted by e1g1 at 2021-12-03 07:18 PM | Reply

Why Is Missouri Called the "Show-Me" State?
John R. Ashcroft
Missouri Secretary of State
www.sos.mo.gov

Hmmm...

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-03 07:23 PM | Reply

"Oh, I think the socialists he had executed or jailed when he took power would have A LOT of doubt."

Hitler was an officer within the Bavarian Soviet government.

"In truth, Hitler was involved in an extreme left-wing political movement and revolution, sporting a red armband while working on behalf of the Communist Party of Germany in Munich. In fact, on the second day after the Communists declared the Bavarian Soviet Republic on April 6, 1919, Hitler sought and won an elected position in the Communist government. Bluntly, Hitler participated in a Communist regime even during a period that resembled a Lenin-like reign of terror.

Where is the historical proof? It comes from military archives from Hitler's barracks, which Thomas Weber discovered in Munich during research for his 2011 book Hitler's First War. Thought to be lost during WWII Allied bombing campaign of Munich, these archives provide clear evidence that Hitler threw his hat into the ring within two days of the communist seizure of the Bavarian government. Elected "Deputy Battalion Representative," Hitler appeared determined to support the revolutionary socialist Rterepublik, which waslead by the Jewish, Russian-born Communist revolutionary leader Eugen Levin. And in doing so, Hitler was pledging his allegiance to Lenin's Soviet Russia. In fact, Weber revealed that Hitler earned the second-highest number of votes in his unit, resulting in his victory for the Ersatz-Bataillons-Rat position. According to Weber, Hitler's actions made him a "more significant cog in the machine of Socialism," helping to "sustain the Soviet Republic."

Whatever Hitler may have become later on in life, he started out as an officer in the communist government of Bavaria. It's literally a historical fact.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-04 03:30 AM | Reply

"Do you even acknowledge the existence of Fascism as a political construct? Can you name a few?"

I'm not sure what you're asking? Do I acknowledge the existence of fascism? Absolutely.

It began when a key member of the Italian Socialist Party asked why socialism need be applied internationally (led by the Soviet COMINTERN, of course), rather than locally. The answer to that question was the Italian fascist party.

Does this answer your question?

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-04 03:32 AM | Reply

"It's not to protect themselves. it's to protect everyone."

I can't protect them. Not from this. If wearing a mask solved this problem, Europe wouldn't be seeing mind-bogglingly high numbers of new cases.

This about this. With a mask mandate AND a vaccine, the case numbers in Germany are almost three times as high as they were this time last year, the previous high point. What that says to the astute observer is that none of the policies, masks, lockdowns, even vaccines, have had much impact on the spread of the virus. To state otherwise is simply dishonest. The good news in all of this is that the vaccines work. Really well. SO even as case rates skyrocket (I think they would be even higher if more people were getting tested), the number of deaths remains very low. Hell, even the number of hospitalization rates have only in exceedingly rare cases threatened to overcome capacity.

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-04 03:43 AM | Reply

"I can't protect them. Not from this."

Sure you can.
You protect people from drunk driving by not drunk driving.
You protect people from germs by getting vaccinated and by containing your germs by wearing a mask.

It doesn't seem like you're dumb, so what's up with that?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-04 04:37 AM | Reply

"This about this. With a mask mandate AND a vaccine, the case numbers in Germany are almost three times as high as they were this time last year, the previous high point."

Oh no, our modern technology isn't working! How could this have happened?

Welp. Guess it's time to force the anti-vaxxers into extreme isolation, to protect what's left of civilization.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-04 04:41 AM | Reply

If wearing a mask solved this problem, Europe wouldn't be seeing mind-bogglingly high numbers of new cases.

No reasonable person said masks "solve the problem;" that's just a strawman. The fact remains, and the data shows, that they reduce death. So if cases are going up, the data would suggest that they'd go up even more if nobody wore a mask.

You aren't this dumb. You just pretend to be. Why?

#37 | Posted by JOE at 2021-12-04 09:14 AM | Reply

Whatever Hitler may have become later on in life

#32 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT

Fascist. Not socialist. Murdered millions as a fascist. Not socialist.

#38 | Posted by Zed at 2021-12-04 09:55 AM | Reply

The only bad thing MadBomber will ever say about Hitler is: "He was a Socialist."

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-04 12:57 PM | Reply

You get shutdowns because of political fear. Nothing more.

#17 | Posted by madbomber

Says the guy who proudly states he doesn't know anything about public health, how it works and why decisions are made.

You literally know nothing about any of this and admit you don't want to. Please stop posting your opinions then.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2021-12-04 01:34 PM | Reply

If what you suggest was a problem, the country would not have survived the period from 13 Nov 2020 thru 23 Un 2021. But it did.

#24 | Posted by madbomber

Couldn't possibly be because mitigation measures were implemented, right?

Nahhh.

COVID is showing me just how bad average intelligence is. Holy. -------. ----.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2021-12-04 01:35 PM | Reply

The fact remains, and the data shows, that they reduce death. So if cases are going up, the data would suggest that they'd go up even more if nobody wore a mask.

Where is this data? Florida? Sweden?

I believe masks work until you catch the virus then its a detriment. So the question would be how would you know when to stop?

Efficacy of masks and mask mandates as a mitigation to slow the spread of COVID-19 is unclear, many would argue it seems both unscientific and unhelpful to compel people to wear masks. Sure it should be recommended if people want to wear it to feel and perhaps be safe then let them. But mandating it is just tyrannical fascism.

Plus have you seen "celebrities/politicians" wear their masks? If it was as deadly as they claim they wouldn't be without it, yet there are images everywhere of the ProMask crowd without masks.
i.dailymail.co.uk

Welp. Guess it's time to force the anti-vaxxers into extreme isolation, to protect what's left of civilization.

Tell me you are a fascist without telling me you are a fascist.

Let me know when the left starts vaccinating/testing/quarantining those coming over the southern border, like they do when flying into the country, then perhaps I might believe you are following the science.

Until then, at this point, with what is now known, its just tyranny.

#FreedomOverFascism
#FauciLiedPeopleDied
#OpenBorders

#42 | Posted by oneironaut at 2021-12-04 02:36 PM | Reply

So f**king stupid. Same moron that posted how deaths were no longer going to follow infections. Right, Ira?

#43 | Posted by YAV at 2021-12-04 03:04 PM | Reply

#AnotherHorsePasteHussy

#44 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-12-04 03:04 PM | Reply

"Where is this data? Florida? Sweden?"

It's in the report that Missouri quashed.

You should think about moving to the "Don't Show-Me Facts I Don't Like State."

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-04 03:25 PM | Reply

You aren't this dumb. You just pretend to be. Why?
#37 | POSTED BY JOE

That really is a great question.
I doubt he knows the answer himself.
Of course, it's possible he's really that dumb, and simply being able to type a few complete sentences isn't the litmus test for an IQ over 80 we all assume it to be.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-04 03:37 PM | Reply

You continue to cast any/every action as 100% or 0%.
You've shown no understanding of risk mitigation, or even what those words mean, yet your "job" requires nothing but that, constantly, in every action.
Very strange to me.
#13 | POSTED BY YAV

Significantly newsworthy.

#47 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-12-04 04:00 PM | Reply

"Where is this data? Florida? Sweden?"

JFC.

Read the headline.

#48 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-12-04 04:08 PM | Reply

Schools with mask mandates are staying open. Schools without mask mandates are closing.

This isn't rocket science, whether here or in Germany.

It's the preponderance of evidence that needs to be considered, which MADBOMBER refuses to do. Why is that? Is it an attempt to own the libs? It's bizarre the hills these folks are willing to die on.

#49 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-12-04 04:13 PM | Reply

"You protect people from drunk driving by not drunk driving."

I can make a consious decision not to drive drunk. And I can (and would) do the same if I knew I had COVID.

Vast numbers of people have it and don't know it.

"You protect people from germs by getting vaccinated and by containing your germs by wearing a mask."

Wearing a mask is like wearing a seatbelt on an airplane. Maybe lives have been saved because of it in very rare instances, but mostly it's just a thing to make people feel safer.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-05 08:48 AM | Reply

"Welp. Guess it's time to force the anti-vaxxers into extreme isolation, to protect what's left of civilization."

Get a vax yourself and you needn't worry what the anti-vaxxers do?

Have you ever worried about them before?

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-05 08:49 AM | Reply

"Fascist. Not socialist. Murdered millions as a fascist. Not socialist."

He did murder millions as a fascist, but like fellow fascist Mussolini his early political forays were as a socialist.

Fact.

I'm not sure why so many of you are trying to pretend like this wasn't the case. It's not like socialism has a reputation to protect.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-05 08:51 AM | Reply

"Says the guy who proudly states he doesn't know anything about public health, how it works and why decisions are made."

And you do?

I don't think anyone knows how to defeat COVID. That's the problem. And instead of having that come to Jesus moment and realizing that it's part of our world and we're going to have to live with it. Malta has the highest number of fully vaccinated people of any country. Over 80%. Yet their infection rate is still 208 per 100K (the US is 306). Right now, policies are being made by people driven by fear, not rationalism, and it's only going to prolong this pandemic.

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-05 09:02 AM | Reply

"Couldn't possibly be because mitigation measures were implemented, right?"

No. Because if you compare infection rates worldwide, what you find is that countries with very strict mandates don't fare much differently than countries that didn't apply any mandates.

I can tell with 100% certainty that implimenting martial law last year in Germany didn't do a goddamn thing to slow the infection rate. Even now with vaccines, Germany is seeing case rates 2-3 times higher than in the Christmas 2020 spike.

If you could provide something, anything that suggests that the outcome would have been far worse had German society been left open, I'm all ears. But what I keep hearing from people like you is that us mouth-breathers just need to shut up and do what the ---- we're told.

And I think I've said this before, but I do believe that wearing masks can mess you up. Last winter I was obligated to wear a mask at the gym. I think that doing cardio with a sweat soaked mask did something. It's since gone away, but it took months.

When the mask mandates first started, I didn't mind wearing them. I thought it was probably a decent mitigation technique against a disease society knew very little about. I still don't mind wearing them. I have a mask extender that keeps it off my ears when I fly...it's hardly noticeable. But I don't like being lied to. And right now I have not seen anything to suggest any result from mask wearing writ-large. At least not in a way that's being implemented policy-wise.

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-05 09:10 AM | Reply

"COVID is showing me just how bad average intelligence is."

The biggest tragedy of COVID is not the number of people it killed, it's the number of people it made stupid.

#55 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-12-05 09:11 AM | Reply

humm, the article fails to mention that only about 10% of the people are wearing masks both in mandate and non-mandate areas!!

I travel MO heavy in both STL and KC.......factories, restaurants, C-Stores, hotels, etc... about 10% wear masks

#56 | Posted by Maverick at 2021-12-05 11:40 AM | Reply

"Whatever Hitler may have become later on in life, he started out as an officer in the communist government of Bavaria. It's literally a historical fact."

People can call themselves whatever they want; the proof is in how they govern once they have the chance. Hitler NEVER, IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM, governed as a socialist. The only conclusion is Hitler was trying to fool the unintelligent, just to get power.

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-12-05 12:41 PM | Reply

"And I think I've said this before, but I do believe that wearing masks can mess you up. Last winter I was obligated to wear a mask at the gym. I think that doing cardio with a sweat soaked mask did something. It's since gone away, but it took months."

And whose fault is that?
You could have been wearing your M50 gas mask.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-05 12:56 PM | Reply

"Get a vax yourself and you needn't worry what the anti-vaxxers do?"

That's not how herd immunity works.

It's like saying as long as you don't go into combat with loose change in your pocket, it's no worry if the rest of your squad does.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-12-05 01:02 PM | Reply

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